Is Boris’s Lax Leadership Putting Us All in Danger ?

[Carana]

I think i know what the main issue was and so do you....

I don't, could you remind me?

[Mr Gray]

I don't, could you remind me?

Free movement and access to the benefit system.
Nothing wrong with immigration.... But not free movement

[Venturi Swirl]

Why was it a bad idea to join? And what are the advantages of leaving?

It’s a redundant discussion now, we’re leaving (probably without a trade deal) and we have to make the best of it somehow.  No use crying over spilt milk imo.

[Carana]

It’s a redundant discussion now, we’re leaving (probably without a trade deal) and we have to make the best of it somehow.  No use crying over spilt milk imo.

No, but there is Brexit plus Covid to deal with. Wouldn't it make more sense to request an extension to Brexit in order to deal with Covid first?

[Carana]

Free movement and access to the benefit system.
Nothing wrong with immigration.... But not free movement

Sorry, Davel, I'm not following.

Are you saying that UK nationals shouldn't be allowed to move to anywhere else in Europe and benefit from the reciprocal agreements in place?

[faithlilly]

No, but there is Brexit plus Covid to deal with. Wouldn't it make more sense to request an extension to Brexit in order to deal with Covid first?

Absolutely Carana but I fear covid19 will be used as the ideal scapegoat when the economy tanks after a no deal Brexit.

[Venturi Swirl]

No, but there is Brexit plus Covid to deal with. Wouldn't it make more sense to request an extension to Brexit in order to deal with Covid first?

From a Brexiteers point of view - no.  Covid provides the perfect cover for it when it all goes tits up.   And if you’re going to have the worst recession ever, may as well really make a proper job of it.

[Venturi Swirl]

Sorry, Davel, I'm not following.

Are you saying that UK nationals shouldn't be allowed to move to anywhere else in Europe and benefit from the reciprocal agreements in place?

You can go live anywhere in the world you like but you will have to jump through alot more hoops now if you want to live and work in Europe. 

[Mr Gray]

Sorry, Davel, I'm not following.

Are you saying that UK nationals shouldn't be allowed to move to anywhere else in Europe and benefit from the reciprocal agreements in place?

I don't think you are being serious. As part of the EU there was total free movement without control...thats what I feel many UK citizens objected to. Post brexit it will be up to individual countries to decide who they want.

[Carana]

Absolutely Carana but I fear covid19 will be used as the ideal scapegoat when the economy tanks after a no deal Brexit.

That seems fairly obvious to me as well. The "don't look here, look over there" approach to politics.

In the meantime, a no-deal Brexit seems to be passing unnoticed. The sorry fact is that Brexit isn't just about trade, it's about all the reciprocal arrangements, with a vast UK presence, that just won't exist any more.

I don't claim that the EU is perfect - far from it - but that it would have been easier to reform from the inside than be left isolated and at the mercy of others.

[Mr Gray]

That seems fairly obvious to me as well. The "don't look here, look over there" approach to politics.

In the meantime, a no-deal Brexit seems to be passing unnoticed. The sorry fact is that Brexit isn't just about trade, it's about all the reciprocal arrangements, with a vast UK presence, that just won't exist any more.

I don't claim that the EU is perfect - far from it - but that it would have been easier to reform from the inside than be left isolated and at the mercy of others.

Thats your opinion...we will just have to see. My opinion is that when Cameron tried to reform he was given short shrift. Will the Uk be better out of the EU....probably not short term...but i think long term it will be. We will just have to wait and see.

[Carana]

I don't think you are being serious. As part of the EU there was total free movement without control...thats what I feel many UK citizens objected to. Post brexit it will be up to individual countries to decide who they want.

No controls about what?

[faithlilly]

Thats your opinion...we will just have to see. My opinion is that when Cameron tried to reform he was given short shrift. Will the Uk be better out of the EU....probably not short term...but i think long term it will be. We will just have to wait and see.

Perhaps Cameron just wasn’t very good at negotiating.

[Mr Gray]

No controls about what?

what do you think free movement means...what do you think controlled immigration means...

[Wonderfulspam]

You can go live anywhere in the world you like but you will have to jump through alot more hoops now if you want to live and work in Europe.

Unless you black yourself up & wash up on their shores in a dinghy.