Timeline May 3rd

[Holly Goodhead]

I work in critical care and senior doctors are used to answering investigative questions, including those in the coroner's court. When I have shown a colleague the recorded interviews and transcripts of earlier ones she remarked that they were atypical of doctors being asked to recount stressful events. Consultants generally ooze confidence, they are clear about timelines, and they are clear and concise.

Your colleagues are no doubt talking about others where there's no emotional involvement.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Kate in her book says that the statements had errors so they made new ones to Control Risks that were passed to the PJ.

Did she go into any detail? Did she say what the errors were? I hope when CB is questionned you will afford him the same treatment and call for him to make a new statement to a private risk management consuiltancy firm months later. Then you can hold this statement up as the most accurate one rather than anything taken down in a Police Station.

[Mr Gray]

Did she go into any detail? Did she say what the errors were? I hope when CB is questionned you will afford him the same treatment and call for him to make a new statement to a private risk management consuiltancy firm months later. Then you can hold this statement up as the most accurate one rather than anything taken down in a Police Station.

i would certainly support his right to make and sign a statement in his own language.....I doubt it would stand up in court if he didnt

[The General]

Did she go into any detail? Did she say what the errors were? I hope when CB is questionned you will afford him the same treatment and call for him to make a new statement to a private risk management consuiltancy firm months later. Then you can hold this statement up as the most accurate one rather than anything taken down in a Police Station.

Well there's a clue in their name; I doubt they're going to stop 'controlling the risks' by allowing any of them to implicate themselves in any way.
Besides, what an extraordinary additional, voluntary process. There's not being quite happy with the nuances of the original statements, then there's wholesale revisions overseen by a company who specialise in the preservation of client reputation.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Your colleagues are no doubt talking about others where there's no emotional involvement.

Not neccesarily. There is often emotional involvement. When a case goes to the coroner's court a doctor is often being asked to account for their own actions in relation to a patient death. The emotional aspect is something they often later include in a reflective account as part of a learning experience.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

i would certainly support his right to make and sign a statement in his own language.....I doubt it would stand up in court if he didnt

What about writing his statement for a risk consultancy firm and holding that up as the accurate account?

[Lace]

I work in critical care and senior doctors are used to answering investigative questions, including those in the coroner's court. When I have shown a colleague the recorded interviews and transcripts of earlier ones she remarked that they were atypical of doctors being asked to recount stressful events. Consultants generally ooze confidence, they are clear about timelines, and they are clear and concise.

Can we infer any guilt from their atypical responses? No - not at all. It's just one point for consideration.

I don't know how anyone would be able to think straight having had their daughter disappear and hardly any sleep.

[Holly Goodhead]

Not neccesarily. There is often emotional involvement. When a case goes to the coroner's court a doctor is often being asked to account for their own actions in relation to a patient death. The emotional aspect is something they often later include in a reflective account as part of a learning experience.

I don't think you can compare a professional setting with patients v parents, who happen to be medics, and their daughter disappearing whilst on a leisure break. 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I don't know how anyone would be able to think straight having had their daughter disappear and hardly any sleep.

I don't know anyone whose early action would be to construct a timeline on a missing child's sticker book or ensure Sky News is reporting on the case by 8am the next morning. Why does the coherence go out of the window when being questionned by Police? Also the umms and errs are evident a year later in the T7 statements after they've had plenty of sleep.

Here's an example:

 1485 "What about a kit bag' Would they have a kit bag with them''
 Reply "Err he certainly didn't have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn't have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played''

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn't a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know anyone whose primary action would be to construct a timeline on their missing child's sticker book or ensure Sky News is reporting on the case by 8am the next morning. Why does the coherence go out of the window when being questionned by Police? Also the umms and errs are evident a year later in the T7 statements after they've had plenty of sleep.

Here's an example:

 1485 "What about a kit bag' Would they have a kit bag with them''
 Reply "Err he certainly didn't have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn't have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played''

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn't a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that

It was ROB's idea to construct a timeline. 

[G-Unit]

Theres a novel idea, hiding tennis racquets. 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

It was ROB's idea to construct a timeline.

But the doctors were willing participants in constructing the timeline before joining the search for the "missing child".

[Brietta]

I don't know anyone whose primary action would be to construct a timeline on their missing child's sticker book or ensure Sky News is reporting on the case by 8am the next morning. Why does the coherence go out of the window when being questionned by Police? Also the umms and errs are evident a year later in the T7 statements after they've had plenty of sleep.

Here's an example:

 1485 "What about a kit bag' Would they have a kit bag with them''
 Reply "Err he certainly didn't have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn't have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played''

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn't a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.'

1485 "Yeah.'
 Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that

What a pejorative post.

Who used a child's book to construct a timeline?

Who contacted Sky News?  Go on ... you know who don't you.  But not nearly as much fun is it.

The umms and errs in real time speech are just what sometimes happens ... everyone does it at one time or another.  But at least these are for real and can be seen to be real and what actually happened at the interviews.

The same cannot be said of a single interview emanating from the Judicial Police.  Perhaps you could attempt a parody of that.  Well you could if it wasn't a parody already.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

What a pejorative post.

Who used a child's book to construct a timeline?

Who contacted Sky News?  Go on ... you know who don't you.  But not nearly as much fun is it.

The umms and errs in real time speech are just what sometimes happens ... everyone does it at one time or another.  But at least these are for real and can be seen to be real and what actually happened at the interviews.

The same cannot be said of a single interview emanating from the Judicial Police.  Perhaps you could attempt a parody of that.  Well you could if it wasn't a parody already.

Are you of the belief that K&G were not participants in writing the timeline on the sticker book or that they didn't seek massive media attention from the off? Maybe they did this as a means of attempting to locate the missing child as they were frustrated by the efforts of the locals!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I don't think you can compare a professional setting with patients v parents, who happen to be medics, and their daughter disappearing whilst on a leisure break.

That's a fair point. Can it be applied to David Payne also, and still apply a year down the line? Perhaps it can.... food for thought.... thank you.