If the window was opened how can we explain that?

[Robittybob1]

Theoretically we could propose several different scenarios that result in burglars being granted an unlocked window through which they can access the pull chord in order to raise the shutters.
Can we propose different theoretical scenarios theoretically.
Heriberto Janosch has demonstrate the technique but does he explain how the window was insecure in the first place?

[stephen25000]

There is of course no evidence the window was unlocked, and of course no scuff marks, inside or outside.

[Robittybob1]

There is of course no evidence the window was unlocked, and of course no scuff marks, inside or outside.

Are you saying you think the window was never opened?  If it was opened, irrespective of the time, it needed to be unlocked before it was opened.

I'm not discussing whether anyone climbed through the window but just how was it opened.
I suppose there will be a minority who think one of the Tapas or the friends of the Tapas group opened the window to make it look like a crime scene, and we will have to consider that too.

When could it have been done by the various members of the group?
Gerry at 9:05?
Matt at 9:30?
Russell on his return to the Tapas?
Jane on one of her two trips over to her room or on the return trip.
Kate at the time of the alert.
Jez sometime after Gerry left to go back to Tapas.

Can you explain what you mean by "there is of course no evidence the window was unlocked"?  Please.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Theoretically we could propose several different scenarios that result in burglars being granted an unlocked window through which they can access the pull chord in order to raise the shutters.
Can we propose different theoretical scenarios theoretically.
Heriberto Janosch has demonstrate the technique but does he explain how the window was insecure in the first place?

You cas see here, in the 5A window, that the auto-lock of the panes was not functioning properly (from Amaral's Truth of the Lie).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElN3iLhbmf8

[stephen25000]

You cas see here, in the 5A window, that the auto-lock of the panes was not functioning properly (from Amaral's Truth of the Lie).
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From the outside ?

Where are the scuff marks ?

Or was Reed Richards present ?

[Eleanor]

From the outside ?

Where are the scuff marks ?

Or was Reed Richards present ?

Scuff Marks are definitely not a given.  And there was No Lichen on the window sill.

[stephen25000]

What relevance is Lichen ?

[Eleanor]

What relevance is Lichen ?

Nothing to scuff, as was once claimed by some idiot.  Even when it was obvious that there was none.

[stephen25000]

Nothing to scuff, as was once claimed by some idiot.  Even when it was obvious that there was none.

You don't need Lichen to cause scuff marks.

[Robittybob1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElN3iLhbmf8  Shows how the window latch works momentarily.

[Benice]

There is of course no evidence the window was unlocked, and of course no scuff marks, inside or outside.

Indeed.  One would think that if the open shutters and window were part of a carefully thought out plan, staged by the McCanns to make everyone believe an intruder had entered 5a -  they would have at least introduced a few scuff marks  - and of course made absolutely sure that the open window and shutters were seen by the police or independent witnesses before they closed them - thus removing that vital evidence that it was essential for the police  to know about for the plan to succeed.

Apparently they were so thick they didn't realise that in closing the shutters/window when they did -  they were actually destroying their own plan.

A couple of ten year olds could have made a better job of it IMO.

IMO the shutters and window were both opened from the inside by an intruder - for one of the various credible reasons discussed previously.

AIMHO

[stephen25000]

Indeed.  One would think that if the open shutters and window were part of a carefully thought out plan, staged by the McCanns to make everyone believe an intruder had entered 5a -  they would have at least introduced a few scuff marks  - and of course made absolutely sure that the open window and shutters were seen by the police or independent witnesses before they closed them - thus removing that vital evidence that it was essential for the police  to know about for the plan to succeed.

Apparently they were so thick they didn't realise that in closing the shutters/window when they did -  they were actually destroying their own plan.

A couple of ten year olds could have made a better job of it IMO.

IMO the shutters and window were both opened from the inside by an intruder - for one of the various credible reasons discussed previously.

AIMHO

You can believe in an intruder until ,the end of time, but it won't make it a reality.

No evidence has been uncovered of an intruder that night in the apartment.

...and before you mention the hairs and partial fingerprints, not a snippet to show they were made or left there that night.

Logical behaviour in this situation, where they had left their children unprotected ?

Now who be blamed for leaving their children unprotected, and then one of them disappearing ?

Tough question, innit.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Indeed.  One would think that if the open shutters and window were part of a carefully thought out plan, staged by the McCanns to make everyone believe an intruder had entered 5a -  they would have at least introduced a few scuff marks  - and of course made absolutely sure that the open window and shutters were seen by the police or independent witnesses before they closed them - thus removing that vital evidence that it was essential for the police  to know about for the plan to succeed.

Apparently they were so thick they didn't realise that in closing the shutters/window when they did -  they were actually destroying their own plan.

A couple of ten year olds could have made a better job of it IMO.

IMO the shutters and window were both opened from the inside by an intruder - for one of the various credible reasons discussed previously.

AIMHO

By their behaviour it is quite easy to establish just how thick they really are. They leave their children alone in an UNLOCKED  apartment, They try to point to the open shutter/window as a means of entry of alleged 'intruders' they forget to cover all bases - the ones you have quite nicely mentioned.  The area is so clean of any forensics... now why would that be do you think? They didn't have time to plant any perhaps? The open window and shutters are  a red herring in my opinion.

The window would need to have been unlocked also for the shutters to be fully opened.

[Robittybob1]

Stephen you have not answered my questions based on your post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8227.msg407757#msg407757

[Robittybob1]

Heriberto has explained:  "The panes auto-lock was not functioning properly in 5A window ... " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElN3iLhbmf8

So does that come back to a landlords responsibility?  Did the Ocean Club maintenance team know about this?