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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on October 08, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
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I’m reliably informed that Amaral has waited until the parents had exhausted all legal routes for retribution before publishing this book. Whether this means that they have failed in their efforts at the ECHR is unclear but likely.
Looking forward to reading the inevitable translations.
https://www.contrapontoeditores.pt/produtos/ficha/maddie-basta-de-mentiras-/25005660
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I’m reliably informed that Amaral has waited until the parents had exhausted all legal routes for retribution before publishing this book. Whether this means that they have failed in their efforts at the ECHR is unclear but likely.
Looking forward to reading the inevitable translations.
https://www.contrapontoeditores.pt/produtos/ficha/maddie-basta-de-mentiras-/25005660
I think he would have run it pass lawyers before proceeding, publishers would have as well.
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I’m reliably informed that Amaral has waited until the parents had exhausted all legal routes for retribution before publishing this book. Whether this means that they have failed in their efforts at the ECHR is unclear but likely.
Looking forward to reading the inevitable translations.
https://www.contrapontoeditores.pt/produtos/ficha/maddie-basta-de-mentiras-/25005660
You think you are reliably informed... I'm sure you are not.
I've seen some of the book... More fantasy from aamaral.
He says now that the only certain thing is the child disappeared... So it's clear he's backtracking
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You think you are reliably informed... I'm sure you are not.
I've seen some of the book... More fantasy from aamaral.
He says now that the only certain thing is the child disappeared... So it's clear he's backtracking
Well no one has proved different from the get go, so how is that backtracking.
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Well no one has proved different from the get go, so how is that backtracking.
It's clearly backtracking because in his first book he claimed it was confirmed Maddie died in the apartment... He's not claiming that now
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I’m reliably informed that Amaral has waited until the parents had exhausted all legal routes for retribution before publishing this book. Whether this means that they have failed in their efforts at the ECHR is unclear but likely.
Looking forward to reading the inevitable translations.
https://www.contrapontoeditores.pt/produtos/ficha/maddie-basta-de-mentiras-/25005660
Would McCann get advance warning of a verdict, or would it just be announced ?
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Would McCann get advance warning of a verdict, or would it just be announced ?
Surely the question should be (in light of Faithlilly's "reliable information") would Amaral get advance warning of a verdict, far enough in advance to allow him to get a book published?
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Incidentally I remember years ago when Faithlilly was informing us all over twitter that she'd been "reliably informed" that the McCanns were getting divorced, so don't get too excited guys...
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I don't know much about what is going on with this and my knowledge of the Portuguese language is somewhat limited, but I would be very surprised if Amaral is making the same accusations that he has made in the past.
However, no doubt the book will sell to a limited audience. Does anyone know in which country it is being published?
Perhaps more to the point, who is likely to translate this?
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It's clearly backtracking because in his first book he claimed it was confirmed Maddie died in the apartment... He's not claiming that now
The issue is ?
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I think Amaral is trying to do to the German investigation what he succeeded in doing to the previous ones - all based on the flaws and and falsehoods promulgated on the back of the one he briefly led as co-ordinator back in 2007.
All the misconceptions of the past fourteen+ years can be traced back to him as the source. From what I can see of the content of his forthcoming book I'm sure he thinks that what succeeded for him once will work for him again.
I don't think it will; time has gone on and he has a wider and more enlightened audience to deal with this time round.
I think Wolters has treated Amaral's Brueckner related interventions to the German investigation with the contempt deserved as he promotes his very own legend in the face of the known evidence.
One can certainly see exactly why the German investigation stopped sharing evidence with others when it was leaked to Amaral whose motto is “Justice works in Silence” ensured its release into the public domain.
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So apparently Amaral is alleging that the American woman made up the rape and that CB is in jail for a crime he didn’t commit. How lovely to know Amaral is on the paedo’s side in all of this. Disgraceful little shit.
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So apparently Amaral is alleging that the American woman made up the rape and that CB is in jail for a crime he didn’t commit. How lovely to know Amaral is on the paedo’s side in all of this. Disgraceful little shit.
I don't suppose CB worries one iota to what you think.
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I don't suppose CB worries one iota to what you think.
My comment was about Amaral and I don’t give a toss what either of them think, nor what you think for that matter.
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My comment was about Amaral and I don’t give a toss what either of them think, nor what you think for that matter.
Rock on. I don't suppose you could to the honour and not respond.
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Apparently the Portuguese medical report said “no rape” . I wonder if it was the same medical examiner who declared the murder victim committed suicide by axing them self in the head?
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Is the the translation reliable, we know from the linguistic experts on here Portuguese is notoriously difficult to translate, PJ files are testament to that.
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Did this 72 year old woman agree to sexual congress with Breuckner? That has to be a new one since his pubic hair was found in her bed.
Portugal is a disgrace and only exacerbated by Amaral who is already a convicted criminal on more than one count.
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Did this 72 year old woman agree to sexual congress with Breuckner? That has to be a new one since his pubic hair was found in her bed.
Portugal is a disgrace and only exacerbated by Amaral who is already a convicted criminal on more than one count.
The real disgrace here is Amaral who is doing his absolute damnedest to propogate a lunatic conspiracy theory in which the Germans are trying to nail Bruckner for Madeleine’s abduction. I wonder if his conspiracy theory bothers to explai. why the Germans would do this? Or why the rape victim would lie about being raped? Or how coincidental that a very similar crime of rape and beating took place on the Algarve on the Irish woman, was that not a rape also? All to frame Brückner? Why is Amaral so desperate to protect the paedo? Or is he just desperate to save his own face?
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Did this 72 year old woman agree to sexual congress with Breuckner? That has to be a new one since his pubic hair was found in her bed.
Portugal is a disgrace and only exacerbated by Amaral who is already a convicted criminal on more than one count.
Indeed.
Crimes against women and children would appear to come very low on the list of priorities as far as the forces of law and order are concerned.
If the disgrace that is Amaral is apparently held up as a shining example of excellence it gives one an indication of exactly why that is.
This is the man who denies children can be abducted and women raped despite evidence to the contrary and who revels in smearing the victims of crime while exonerating criminals by personally publicising lies in unqualified support.
Given that attitude it certainly isn't surprising that Amaral's investigation chose to ignore the German prime suspect who he admits to have known about in 2007. No wonder he doesn't appreciate Brueckner being subjected to the proper investigation the Policia Judiciaria apparentl failed to do on his warch.
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The real disgrace here is Amaral who is doing his absolute damnedest to propogate a lunatic conspiracy theory in which the Germans are trying to nail Bruckner for Madeleine’s abduction. I wonder if his conspiracy theory bothers to explai. why the Germans would do this? Or why the rape victim would lie about being raped? Or how coincidental that a very similar crime of rape and beating took place on the Algarve on the Irish woman, was that also not a rape also? All to frame Brückner? Why is Amaral so desperate to protect the paedo? Or is he just desperate to save his own face?
I think there is an element of face saving going on and I would say the paranoid conspiracy theories he propagates is his way of getting around the necessity for the reality of supporting evidence.
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The real disgrace here is Amaral who is doing his absolute damnedest to propogate a lunatic conspiracy theory in which the Germans are trying to nail Bruckner for Madeleine’s abduction. I wonder if his conspiracy theory bothers to explai. why the Germans would do this? Or why the rape victim would lie about being raped? Or how coincidental that a very similar crime of rape and beating took place on the Algarve on the Irish woman, was that also not a rape also? All to frame Brückner? Why is Amaral so desperate to protect the paedo? Or is he just desperate to save his own face?
You already know what I think. What Amaral appears to be trying to do is about as stupid as anyone can get. But then Amaral has a history of being stupid in pursuit of his own ends. He is a very stupid man.
Amaral and Cristovao worked together in the process of trying to set up The McCanns. They failed because Kate McCann was never going to get anywhere near any Police Station Stairs or a beating of any kind.
Why do any of you think for why The British Ambassador turned up so toute de blimming suite. Britain wasn't having another Michael Cooke on their hands.
Portugal is still in the dark ages and shows no sign of actually crawling out. Amaral is their bete noire.
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I think Amaral is trying to do to the German investigation what he succeeded in doing to the previous ones - all based on the flaws and and falsehoods promulgated on the back of the one he briefly led as co-ordinator back in 2007.
All the misconceptions of the past fourteen+ years can be traced back to him as the source. From what I can see of the content of his forthcoming book I'm sure he thinks that what succeeded for him once will work for him again.
I don't think it will; time has gone on and he has a wider and more enlightened audience to deal with this time round.
I think Wolters has treated Amaral's Brueckner related interventions to the German investigation with the contempt deserved as he promotes his very own legend in the face of the known evidence.
One can certainly see exactly why the German investigation stopped sharing evidence with others when it was leaked to Amaral whose motto is “Justice works in Silence” ensured its release into the public domain.
Yeah but you’ll still read it.
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Indeed.
Crimes against women and children would appear to come very low on the list of priorities as far as the forces of law and order are concerned.
If the disgrace that is Amaral is apparently held up as a shining example of excellence it gives one an indication of exactly why that is.
This is the man who denies children can be abducted and women raped despite evidence to the contrary and who revels in smearing the victims of crime while exonerating criminals by personally publicising lies in unqualified support.
Given that attitude it certainly isn't surprising that Amaral's investigation chose to ignore the German prime suspect who he admits to have known about in 2007. No wonder he doesn't appreciate Brueckner being subjected to the proper investigation the Policia Judiciaria apparentl failed to do on his warch.
I truly don't know about Breuckner when it comes to Madeleine. But I do have to wonder why Amaral ignored this, unless Amaral was himself involved in some way.
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Yeah but you’ll still read it.
You can bet your life on that. It'll provide anti-Amaral material for months. They won't pass that opportunity up.
Time to break out the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the angst 8(*(
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You can bet your life on that. It'll provide anti-Amaral material for months. They won't pass that opportunity up.
Time to break out the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the angst 8(*(
Isn't this what you always do?
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Isn't this what you always do?
Yes, but this one promises to be really good judging by how worked up you supporters are - even before publication.
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Yes, but this one promises to be really good judging by how worked up you supporters are - even before publication.
Oh Dear. How sad for you if this is the highlight of your life.
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Yes, but this one promises to be really good judging by how worked up you supporters are - even before publication.
LOL at “worked up”. You really have no idea. Watching Amaral desperately digging an even deeper hole for himself with his daft conspiracy theory is quite entertaining - surely no one on either side of the debate can take anything this man says or writes seriously any more?
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LOL at “worked up”. You really have no idea. Watching Amaral desperately digging an even deeper hole for himself with his daft conspiracy theory is quite entertaining - surely no one on either side of the debate can take anything this man says or writes seriously any more?
One has to feel sorry for the likes of this if this is the best that amuses them.
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I truly don't know about Breuckner when it comes to Madeleine. But I do have to wonder why Amaral ignored this, unless Amaral was himself involved in some way.
I think there are a lot of questions someone in authority one day might ask Amaral - that day may come as it did for Cristovao.
I think it takes a particular type of evil to do what Amaral has done - and if the rumours regarding the reprise of his lies in his latest oeuvre are correct, is not merely pathetic but insane.
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One has to feel sorry for the likes of this if this is the best that amuses them.
I seem to remember a certain amount of glee at non-believer’s alleged reaction to the Jon Clarke tome.
Two cheeks of the same ar*e.
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One has to feel sorry for the likes of this if this is the best that amuses them.
It won't be the highlight of my day, but it'll give many a laugh, I'm sure.
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It won't be the highlight of my day, but it'll give many a laugh, I'm sure.
If you can hear yourself think over the gnashing of teeth.
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If you can hear yourself think over the gnashing of teeth.
I think it's the sound of laughter... Anyone who takes amaral seriously is as foolish as the man himself.
Do you expect CB to appeal based on the revelations of the rape case in amarals book
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I think it's the sound of laughter... Anyone who takes amaral seriously is as foolish as the man himself.
Do you expect CB to appeal based on the revelations of the rape case in amarals book
Is that a serious question?
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It won't be the highlight of my day, but it'll give many a laugh, I'm sure.
I will never understand the nastiness. I don't understand what drives people to hope for a parent to have done this when it is so much more likely to have been a pervert. Especially when there was one around at the time.
Amaral remains a complete disgrace for more reasons than one. And Portugal even more so. Such a pity because Portugal is such a lovely land.
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I will never understand the nastiness. I don't understand what drives people to hope for a parent to have done this when it is so much more likely to have been a pervert. Especially when there was one around at the time.
Amaral remains a complete disgrace for more reasons than one. And Portugal even more so. Such a pity because Portugal is such a lovely land.
You choose to misunderstand. It's you supporters I shall be laughing at over your fury at Amaral and his book
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Is that a serious question?
No because what amaral claims is clearly not true.. Even CBs legal team will know that amaral is simply a total fool
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You choose to misunderstand. It's you supporters I shall be laughing at over your fury at Amaral and his book
Anyone with any sense will realise amaral has commited professional suicide.. I actually welcome the book.. ..it shows what a poor cop he is
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I think it's the sound of laughter... Anyone who takes amaral seriously is as foolish as the man himself.
Do you expect CB to appeal based on the revelations of the rape case in amarals book
Breuckner is never going to say anything, not even to defend himself. He will be found guilty by dint of No Plea and No Defence. And I suspect that he knows this.
I am past caring. It has all been too long. Madeleine is either long dead or living a life somewhere else.
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Breuckner is never going to say anything, not even to defend himself. He will be found guilty by dint of No Plea and No Defence. And I suspect that he knows this.
I am past caring. It has all been too long. Madeleine is either long dead or living a life somewhere else.
Time will tell - for those still alive
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You choose to misunderstand. It's you supporters I shall be laughing at over your fury at Amaral and his book
Why should I be furious? The man is a disgrace. Let him shame himself again. Little fat pig.
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No because what amaral claims is clearly not true.. Even CBs legal team will know that amaral is simply a total fool
The book will make money. I’m sure what people think of him will be tempered by that simple fact.
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The book will make money. I’m sure what people think of him will be tempered by that simple fact.
Of course it will and of course it will. But only in a very limited fashion.
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The book will make money. I’m sure what people think of him will be tempered by that simple fact.
If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
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If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
Don’t be silly.
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If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
Why would The McCanns want to do that? What purpose would it serve?
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Why would The McCanns want to do that? What purpose would it serve?
None at all. It would seem that some would be happy for the parents to spend the rest of their life in litigation.
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Why would The McCanns want to do that? What purpose would it serve?
I think Kate and Gerry will ignore his nonsense and treat it and him with the utter contempt both deserve. The important thing at the moment is the German investigation and what results from that.
There was a sexual predator living in Luz and the Policia Judiciaria under Amaral missed him while Amaral concentrated his ineptitude in entirely the wrong direction.
This swansong of a book confirms that.
I think if his malice had been less he would merely have become a laughing stock. The lies he has told on Brueckner's behalf change that though and may have made him a person of interest and not the type of interest he so very obviously craves.
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None at all. It would seem that some would be happy for the parents to spend the rest of their life in litigation.
I was asking a question of Davel.
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Wolters says all that needs to be said about Amaral and his book:
“We are not interested in the views and assessments of a former Portuguese police officer because we assume that he does not have our investigation results and files. It is therefore completely irrelevant to us what Mr Amaral thinks, says and writes. "
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EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann prosecutor 100% convinced Christian B abducted and murdered her
Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year
Madeleine went missing aged 3
ByMartin Fricker, in Braunschweig, Germany
21:36, 8 Oct 2021UPDATED21:48, 8 Oct 2021
Investigators are “100% sure” sex offender Christian Brueckner murdered Madeleine McCann.
They have the evidence to charge him and hope the probe will conclude next year.
German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We’re confident we have the man who took and killed her.”
Prosecutors investigating paedophile Christian Brueckner on suspicion of murdering Madeleine McCann are certain of his guilt and determined to build the strongest possible case against him.
They believe they have the evidence to charge the 44-year-old and it has “100% convinced” them that he killed her.
And they hope to be able to bring charges next year.
But as Brueckner is already in jail for separate offences the team are taking time to gather as much evidence as possible before bringing it to court.
Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.
“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.
“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.
“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”
However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”
“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.
“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”
Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday flat at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, days before her fourth birthday. Kate and Gerry of Rothley, Leics, have said they “hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again”.
Evidence being investigated includes a “confession” Brueckner made to a pal and phone analysis showing he was at the Ocean Club when the toddler vanished. Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”
Brueckner was living in a camper van close to Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. UK and German police first became aware of him as a suspect in 2017 but only went public with it last June. Senior investigators have spoken to potential key witnesses in Germany and Portugal.
Mr Wolters dismissed as “rubbish” a recent report that the probe will end by Christmas, but said it is likely Brueckner will be charged early next year with other alleged offences in Portugal.
They include the rape of an Irish woman in the Algarve in 2004 and two incidents where he allegedly flashed at youngsters.
Asked if he was happy with the pace of the Madeleine probe, Mr Wolters said: “It could have gone better. Of course we hoped we’d get such good tip-offs that the investigation might have already ended. But the case is progressing.”
He said a “very big number” have been interviewed but the team has yet to find the person Brueckner spoke to on the phone around the time Madeleine went missing. He added: “We’ve found no evidence to clear Mr Brueckner of suspicion. Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through.”
Defending the decision not to show the McCanns the evidence that leads prosecutors to believe Madeleine is dead, he said: “If I did ...is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
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I think Kate and Gerry will ignore his nonsense and treat it and him with the utter contempt both deserve. The important thing at the moment is the German investigation and what results from that.
There was a sexual predator living in Luz and the Policia Judiciaria under Amaral missed him while Amaral concentrated his ineptitude in entirely the wrong direction.
This swansong of a book confirms that.
I think if his malice had been less he would merely have become a laughing stock. The lies he has told on Brueckner's behalf change that though and may have made him a person of interest and not the type of interest he so very obviously craves.
Have made Amaral a person of interest, I would say. Nothing May about it. Although my own suspicions predate this latest nonsense.
Has anyone looked at his Phone Records or those of Cristavao? These might be quite interesting.
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I think Kate and Gerry will ignore his nonsense and treat it and him with the utter contempt both deserve. The important thing at the moment is the German investigation and what results from that.
There was a sexual predator living in Luz and the Policia Judiciaria under Amaral missed him while Amaral concentrated his ineptitude in entirely the wrong direction.
This swansong of a book confirms that.
I think if his malice had been less he would merely have become a laughing stock. The lies he has told on Brueckner's behalf change that though and may have made him a person of interest and not the type of interest he so very obviously craves.
Besides if Bruckner is charged and found guilty the money in the fund will be used to ‘ pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.’ So there will be no money for litigation.
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EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann prosecutor 100% convinced Christian B abducted and murdered her
Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year
Madeleine went missing aged 3
ByMartin Fricker, in Braunschweig, Germany
21:36, 8 Oct 2021UPDATED21:48, 8 Oct 2021
Investigators are “100% sure” sex offender Christian Brueckner murdered Madeleine McCann.
They have the evidence to charge him and hope the probe will conclude next year.
German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We’re confident we have the man who took and killed her.”
Prosecutors investigating paedophile Christian Brueckner on suspicion of murdering Madeleine McCann are certain of his guilt and determined to build the strongest possible case against him.
They believe they have the evidence to charge the 44-year-old and it has “100% convinced” them that he killed her.
And they hope to be able to bring charges next year.
But as Brueckner is already in jail for separate offences the team are taking time to gather as much evidence as possible before bringing it to court.
Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.
“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.
“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.
“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”
However, the prosecutors now admit they have no proof Madeleine is dead – despite authorities in Braunschweig telling the McCanns last year that they had “evidence” she is no longer alive.
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder. Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”
“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.
“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”
Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday flat at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, days before her fourth birthday. Kate and Gerry of Rothley, Leics, have said they “hang on to the hope, however small, that we will see Madeleine again”.
Evidence being investigated includes a “confession” Brueckner made to a pal and phone analysis showing he was at the Ocean Club when the toddler vanished. Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”
Brueckner was living in a camper van close to Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared. UK and German police first became aware of him as a suspect in 2017 but only went public with it last June. Senior investigators have spoken to potential key witnesses in Germany and Portugal.
Mr Wolters dismissed as “rubbish” a recent report that the probe will end by Christmas, but said it is likely Brueckner will be charged early next year with other alleged offences in Portugal.
They include the rape of an Irish woman in the Algarve in 2004 and two incidents where he allegedly flashed at youngsters.
Asked if he was happy with the pace of the Madeleine probe, Mr Wolters said: “It could have gone better. Of course we hoped we’d get such good tip-offs that the investigation might have already ended. But the case is progressing.”
He said a “very big number” have been interviewed but the team has yet to find the person Brueckner spoke to on the phone around the time Madeleine went missing. He added: “We’ve found no evidence to clear Mr Brueckner of suspicion. Everything we’ve found fits in the picture. We’re perhaps halfway through.”
Defending the decision not to show the McCanns the evidence that leads prosecutors to believe Madeleine is dead, he said: “If I did ...is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-100-convinced-25173564?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
“If I did ...is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”
A very odd thing to say considering that he’s been telling every journalist who will listen for the last 16 months that Madeleine has been brutally murdered by a paedophile.
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Wolters says all that needs to be said about Amaral and his book:
“We are not interested in the views and assessments of a former Portuguese police officer because we assume that he does not have our investigation results and files. It is therefore completely irrelevant to us what Mr Amaral thinks, says and writes. "
“We are not interested in the views and assessments of a former Portuguese police officer because we assume that he does not have our investigation results and files. It is therefore completely irrelevant to us what Mr Amaral thinks, says and writes. "
He has really been an irrelevance to Madeleine's case from the day and hour he was dismissed in disgrace from it but was very much allowed to make it his own to do with as he willed. He made his name and fortune with the firm exclusion of finding out what happened to her only making up one conspiracy theory after another.
He claimed he knew what happened to her.
His present efforts to throw a spanner into the works of the present German investigation tend to imply that he does indeed know exactly that.
Why else be at such pains to cause as much dishonest disruption as possible starting with prematurely releasing Brueckner's identity to the public domain.
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Odd that none of his staunch defenders has anything supportive to say about Amaral’s latest pronouncements, I wonder why not? Could it be that they are somewhat embarrassed by what he has to say and are satisfied merely with the belief that he is causing more upset and anguish with his new book? Yes, I reckon they’re just revelling in that which makes them bullies and not very nice people imo.
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Besides if Bruckner is charged and found guilty the money in the fund will be used to ‘ pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.’ So there will be no money for litigation.
If Bruckner is charged and found guilty he McCanns would be vindicated and Amaral would be toast once and for all, no need for litigation.
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If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
By the time its heard at the echr, we'll be all long past caring,(except you) you seem to ignore its not even on a list of noteworthy pending, those that are have had their cases communicated back in 2017.
Noteworthy pending cases
Chamber
Freedom of expression cases
(Article 10)
Patrício Monteiro Telo de Abreu v.
Portugal (no. 42713/15)
Case communicated to the Government on
1 December 2017
The case concerns the applicant’s criminal
conviction for defamation subsequent to a
publication in his blog.
Freitas Rangel v. Portugal
(no. 78873/13)
Case communicated to the Government on
29 November 2017
The case concerns the applicant’s criminal
conviction for offending a legal person on
account of statements made by him about
the Trade Union Association of Judges and
the Trade Union of Public Prosecutors
during a session of Parliament’s Ethics,
Society and Culture Committee in which he
gave his views on the topic of freedom of
expression in Portugal in view of his
experience as a journalist.
Nóbrega v. Portugal (no. 24955/15)
Case communicated to the Government on
29 November 2017
The case concerns disciplinary proceedings
against the applicant, who was a trade
unionist, following statements he made to
the media about other disciplinary
proceedings lodged against him.
Other pending applications on Article 10:
SIC - Sociedade Independente de
Comunicação v. Portugal (no. 29856/13),
Marques dos Reis v. Portugal
(no. 61177/14), and Welsh and Silva Canha
v. Portugal (no. 2) (no. 58106/15)
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By the time its heard at the echr, we'll be all long past caring,(except you) you seem to ignore its not even on a list of noteworthy pending, those that are have had their cases communicated back in 2017.
Noteworthy pending cases
Chamber
Freedom of expression cases
(Article 10)
Patrício Monteiro Telo de Abreu v.
Portugal (no. 42713/15)
Case communicated to the Government on
1 December 2017
The case concerns the applicant’s criminal
conviction for defamation subsequent to a
publication in his blog.
Freitas Rangel v. Portugal
(no. 78873/13)
Case communicated to the Government on
29 November 2017
The case concerns the applicant’s criminal
conviction for offending a legal person on
account of statements made by him about
the Trade Union Association of Judges and
the Trade Union of Public Prosecutors
during a session of Parliament’s Ethics,
Society and Culture Committee in which he
gave his views on the topic of freedom of
expression in Portugal in view of his
experience as a journalist.
Nóbrega v. Portugal (no. 24955/15)
Case communicated to the Government on
29 November 2017
The case concerns disciplinary proceedings
against the applicant, who was a trade
unionist, following statements he made to
the media about other disciplinary
proceedings lodged against him.
Other pending applications on Article 10:
SIC - Sociedade Independente de
Comunicação v. Portugal (no. 29856/13),
Marques dos Reis v. Portugal
(no. 61177/14), and Welsh and Silva Canha
v. Portugal (no. 2) (no. 58106/15)
Your post needs to be directed at faith who seems to think the case has already been decided in amarals favour... More sceptic rubbish
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Your post needs to be directed at faith who seems to think the case has already been decided in amarals favour... More sceptic rubbish
You redirect it, you seemed to be concerned.
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You redirect it, you seemed to be concerned.
If I was bothered I would...
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If I was bothered I would...
Oh you're bothered alright.
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Oh you're bothered alright.
You think I'm bothered.. Just another thing you ve got wrong..
It looks like it's over for sceptics and Wolters has solved the case... The recent article merely confirms my thoughts so I would think it's fairly accurate
It's hard for you to accept how wrong you have been... Lol
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You think I'm bothered.. Just another thing you ve got wrong..
It looks like it's over for sceptics and Wolters has solved the case... The recent article merely confirms my thoughts so I would think it's fairly accurate
It's hard for you to accept how wrong you have been... Lol
You need to read the rubbish thats being printed and then join the dots, its all bollox .
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You need to read the rubbish thats being printed and then join the dots, its all bollox .
I take it you are referring to Amaral's book, which is what this thread is about? If so, yes I agree 100% 8(>((
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You need to read the rubbish thats being printed and then join the dots, its all bollox .
I don't rely on any rubbish being printed.. I've based my conclusions on what HCW has, said live in interviews..
The only one talking complete rubbish is amaral..
I'm way ahead if you
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I don't rely on any rubbish being printed.. I've based my conclusions on what HCW has, said live in interviews..
The only one talking complete rubbish is amaral..
I'm way ahead if you
*%87
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If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
IF. such a big word
I'm sure that Gonçalo was not going to release any book before a final decision on the McCanns case against Portugal - in order to avoid any future legal problems.
As such you mentioned in your post.
It's most likely that their appeal was simply not accepted for consideration - because it did not meet the necessary criteria.
IMO could be the reason for the barrage of media attention focusing on CB being 100% guilty of a so called abduction.
It seems also the book could be released in English next week.
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IF. such a big word
I'm sure that Gonçalo was not going to release any book before a final decision on the McCanns case against Portugal - in order to avoid any future legal problems.
As such you mentioned in your post.
It's most likely that their appeal was simply not accepted for consideration - because it did not meet the necessary criteria.
IMO could be the reason for the barrage of media attention focusing on CB being 100% guilty of a so called abduction.
It seems also the book could be released in English next week.
i use ..If...to comply with forum prorocol...the case has not been decided yet. you have made a lot of assumptions. the book may well be released in the Uk because the book does not state that Maddie died in the apartmnet and was covered up by the parents.
He may well realises hes lost the ECHR case and is publishing a book which is not linbellous and does not accuse the mccanns..in order to raise some money while he can. Have you read any of the book...from what ive seen its total junk...as expected
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i use ..If...to comply with forum prorocol...the case has not been decided yet. you have made a lot of assumptions. the book may well be released in the Uk because the book does not state that Maddie died in the apartmnet and was covered up by the parents.
He may well realises hes lost the ECHR case and is publishing a book which is not linbellous and does not accuse the mccanns..in order to raise some money while he can. Have you read any of the book...from what ive seen its total junk...as expected
You really should know better - it's McCann/Healy v Portugal.
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You really should know better - it's McCann/Healy v Portugal.
You obviously don't understand the significance of the case and how it could affect amaral... I obviously do know better.
Did you know the SC judgement is not final and could be revised.. Not a lot of people know that
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i use ..If...to comply with forum prorocol...the case has not been decided yet. you have made a lot of assumptions. the book may well be released in the Uk because the book does not state that Maddie died in the apartmnet and was covered up by the parents.
He may well realises hes lost the ECHR case and is publishing a book which is not linbellous and does not accuse the mccanns..in order to raise some money while he can. Have you read any of the book...from what ive seen its total junk...as expected
Thought they sued because it was ruining the search for maddie...saying Maddie was dead
Just the same as wolt is now.
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You obviously don't understand the significance of the case and how it could affect amaral... I obviously do know better.
Did you know the SC judgement is not final and could be revised.. Not a lot of people know that
Why would it be revised....do you know that or just opinionated or guessing.
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Thought they sued because it was ruining the search for maddie...saying Maddie was dead
Just the same as wolt is now.
Then you don't understand...
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Why would it be revised....do you know that or just opinionated or guessing.
It's part of the Portuguese justice system... I know it as a fact... Gunit quoted the actual piece of Portuguese lawl
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Well I guess I'll just wait and see what happens, rather than speculate over what may or may not happen.
Should find out before 2030 with a bit of luck.
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Well I guess I'll just wait and see what happens, rather than speculate over what may or may not happen.
Should find out before 2030 with a bit of luck.
That quick !
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That quick !
According to kizzy and faith it's already been decided.. Lol
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According to kizzy and faith it's already been decided.. Lol
I seem to recall you saying it'll be done this year, won't be long now.
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I seem to recall you saying it'll be done this year, won't be long now.
Then you recall wrong... No surprise there
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I seem to recall you saying it'll be done this year, won't be long now.
Yup, a McCann loss this year would make for an excellent Christmas present.
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Then you don't understand...
Oh yes I do.
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Oh yes I do.
Harming the search cannot be part of the ECHR case.. You need to understand that
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Harming the search cannot be part of the ECHR case.. You need to understand that
That's if there is still a ECHR case.
Strange how there has been a barrage of media news that CB done it - for no reason other than IMO no ECHR an the release of GA book.
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That's if there is still a ECHR case.
Strange how there has been a barrage of media news that CB done it - for no reason other than IMO no ECHR an the release of GA book.
There still an echr case... Doesn't matter if you don't understand why
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Yup, a McCann loss this year would make for an excellent Christmas present.
For someone who allegedly doesn’t care about anything, you really seem invested in this. Hoping for McCann unhappiness to bring you joy at Christmas is just about the saddest (in both senses of the word) thing I’ve ever read on this forum.
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My interest is seeing justice being done and the perp found guilty and punished.. And being proved I have been right all along.. And all the sceptics.. Pat Brown.. MS.. Sh.. and all the others regarded as some as experts... Wrong
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My interest is seeing justice being done and the perp found guilty and punished.. And being proved I have been right all along.. And all the sceptics.. Pat Brown.. MS.. Sh.. and all the others regarded as some as experts... Wrong
Yes, that would be a great Christmas present. Not for me, but for The McCanns and their family so that they get answers, closure and the ability to finally move on with their lives, hopefully without further aggravation caused by trolls like Amaral and his fanclub.
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My interest is seeing justice being done and the perp found guilty and punished.. And being proved I have been right all along.. And all the sceptics.. Pat Brown.. MS.. Sh.. and all the others regarded as some as experts... Wrong
Don't give up your day job.
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Does anyone know what this moron is on about?
Maddie MacCann would have expression problems. The conclusion must have been the British police, says Gonçalo Amaral, who was responsible for conducting investigations into the disappearance of the English girl, in May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.
To a daily newspaper, the former inspector of the Judiciary Police (PJ) assures that the British authorities realized that Maddie, who at the time was four years old, experienced these difficulties after questioning her mother, Kate McCann. "The British police had a database for children in this age group, which had to do with how they referred to a certain object. They asked the mother questions and she mentioned, for example, how the girl said 'chair' , 'pee', and they concluded, from the phrases her mother used to say, that there was some problem with Maddie there," explained Gonçalo Amaral to Correio da Manhã.
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Does anyone know what this moron is on about?
Maddie MacCann would have expression problems. The conclusion must have been the British police, says Gonçalo Amaral, who was responsible for conducting investigations into the disappearance of the English girl, in May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.
To a daily newspaper, the former inspector of the Judiciary Police (PJ) assures that the British authorities realized that Maddie, who at the time was four years old, experienced these difficulties after questioning her mother, Kate McCann. "The British police had a database for children in this age group, which had to do with how they referred to a certain object. They asked the mother questions and she mentioned, for example, how the girl said 'chair' , 'pee', and they concluded, from the phrases her mother used to say, that there was some problem with Maddie there," explained Gonçalo Amaral to Correio da Manhã.
Well, if it isn't true...the mcs can always sue him again.
Have you a cite for your post
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Well, if it isn't true...the mcs can always sue him again.
Have you a cite for your post
It's not libellous... Uninformed stupidity.. Yes.. But not libel.
It's quite clear he hasn't got a clue... That's not libellous either.. Honest opinion based on evidence
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Well, if it isn't true...the mcs can always sue him again.
Have you a cite for your post
It’s from one of the moron’s recent interviews in a Portuguese paper plugging his book. CdM.
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When I was a kid I called windscreen wipers “windscreepers” and elephants “beeboos”, must I infer from this that I was sexually abused by a friend of my parents?
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Does anyone know what this moron is on about?
Maddie MacCann would have expression problems. The conclusion must have been the British police, says Gonçalo Amaral, who was responsible for conducting investigations into the disappearance of the English girl, in May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.
To a daily newspaper, the former inspector of the Judiciary Police (PJ) assures that the British authorities realized that Maddie, who at the time was four years old, experienced these difficulties after questioning her mother, Kate McCann. "The British police had a database for children in this age group, which had to do with how they referred to a certain object. They asked the mother questions and she mentioned, for example, how the girl said 'chair' , 'pee', and they concluded, from the phrases her mother used to say, that there was some problem with Maddie there," explained Gonçalo Amaral to Correio da Manhã.
The mind boggles … a three-year-old expressing the words ‘pee’ and ‘chair’ suggest ‘a problem’ (?)
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I'm sure that if there is a police database dealing with these sort of terms, then someone will know about it and be able to inform us.
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It's not libellous... Uninformed stupidity.. Yes.. But not libel.
It's quite clear he hasn't got a clue... That's not libellous either.. Honest opinion based on evidence
What about this then.
The photo that led Portuguese investigators to interrogate Kate McCann about the bruise on the girl's right wrist was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance. Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral claims that the mark is not compatible with the explanation given by Maddie's parents.
Maddie appears in a photo with a suspicious mark. The PJ investigation maintains that the photograph was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance of the English girl on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who headed the team in charge of investigating the disappearance, points out that the photo reveals “that the girl has a mark on her right wrist”.
The photograph, which is part of the interim report carried out by the PJ in September 2007, shows, for Gonçalo Amaral, a mark “as if someone had grabbed it and pulled it with excessive force”. At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. The girl then wore short sleeves, meaning that, if it was a sunburn, it would not be so localized and “well drawn”, says Gonçalo Amaral.
The photo also raised doubts, given the possibility of being a photomontage. The former inspector explains that “the body in the photo is that of a child older than Maddie”, then three years old. Gonçalo Amaral argues that Portugal should continue to investigate the case and that this photo should be properly examined, so the mother can be questioned later.
Another photo that raises doubts about its authenticity is one where Gerry McCann is shown sitting at the edge of the pool with his two daughters. “We can see some shadows in there. The direction of shadows and sun is not correct. At the time, we doubted the photo, we thought it was a way to create the image of a good father”, said the former inspector of the PJ. For Gonçalo Amaral, there are doubts about the evidence that the German judicial authorities gathered to accuse, by the end of the year, Christian Brueckner of the abduction and death of Maddie.
Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
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What about this then.
The photo that led Portuguese investigators to interrogate Kate McCann about the bruise on the girl's right wrist was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance. Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral claims that the mark is not compatible with the explanation given by Maddie's parents.
Maddie appears in a photo with a suspicious mark. The PJ investigation maintains that the photograph was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance of the English girl on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who headed the team in charge of investigating the disappearance, points out that the photo reveals “that the girl has a mark on her right wrist”.
The photograph, which is part of the interim report carried out by the PJ in September 2007, shows, for Gonçalo Amaral, a mark “as if someone had grabbed it and pulled it with excessive force”. At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. The girl then wore short sleeves, meaning that, if it was a sunburn, it would not be so localized and “well drawn”, says Gonçalo Amaral.
The photo also raised doubts, given the possibility of being a photomontage. The former inspector explains that “the body in the photo is that of a child older than Maddie”, then three years old. Gonçalo Amaral argues that Portugal should continue to investigate the case and that this photo should be properly examined, so the mother can be questioned later.
Another photo that raises doubts about its authenticity is one where Gerry McCann is shown sitting at the edge of the pool with his two daughters. “We can see some shadows in there. The direction of shadows and sun is not correct. At the time, we doubted the photo, we thought it was a way to create the image of a good father”, said the former inspector of the PJ. For Gonçalo Amaral, there are doubts about the evidence that the German judicial authorities gathered to accuse, by the end of the year, Christian Brueckner of the abduction and death of Maddie.
Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
none of that is libellous...it says teh PJ were suspicious of the mark and felt the expalnation given didnt fit...
Show me where in the new book he says its confirmed Maddie died in the apartmnet and the parents covered it up. In this book he is merely putting forward hypotheses. He says the only knowm fact is that MM disappeared
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What about this then.
The photo that led Portuguese investigators to interrogate Kate McCann about the bruise on the girl's right wrist was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance. Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral claims that the mark is not compatible with the explanation given by Maddie's parents.
Maddie appears in a photo with a suspicious mark. The PJ investigation maintains that the photograph was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance of the English girl on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who headed the team in charge of investigating the disappearance, points out that the photo reveals “that the girl has a mark on her right wrist”.
The photograph, which is part of the interim report carried out by the PJ in September 2007, shows, for Gonçalo Amaral, a mark “as if someone had grabbed it and pulled it with excessive force”. At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. The girl then wore short sleeves, meaning that, if it was a sunburn, it would not be so localized and “well drawn”, says Gonçalo Amaral.
The photo also raised doubts, given the possibility of being a photomontage. The former inspector explains that “the body in the photo is that of a child older than Maddie”, then three years old. Gonçalo Amaral argues that Portugal should continue to investigate the case and that this photo should be properly examined, so the mother can be questioned later.
Another photo that raises doubts about its authenticity is one where Gerry McCann is shown sitting at the edge of the pool with his two daughters. “We can see some shadows in there. The direction of shadows and sun is not correct. At the time, we doubted the photo, we thought it was a way to create the image of a good father”, said the former inspector of the PJ. For Gonçalo Amaral, there are doubts about the evidence that the German judicial authorities gathered to accuse, by the end of the year, Christian Brueckner of the abduction and death of Maddie.
Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
It doesn’t sound as if he’s been cowed into silence by previous litigation.
He appears to be suggesting that Madeleine was the victim of physical abuse by one or both of her parents. I wonder how the parents will react?
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It doesn’t sound as if he’s been cowed into silence by previous litigation.
He appears to be suggesting that Madeleine was the victim of physical abuse by one or both of her parents. I wonder how the parents will react?
he is saying she could have been the victim of physical abuse....he has evidence to support taht which he has stated. Looks like hes had some instruction on what is and isnt libel....this isnt
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What about this then.
The photo that led Portuguese investigators to interrogate Kate McCann about the bruise on the girl's right wrist was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance. Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral claims that the mark is not compatible with the explanation given by Maddie's parents.
Maddie appears in a photo with a suspicious mark. The PJ investigation maintains that the photograph was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance of the English girl on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who headed the team in charge of investigating the disappearance, points out that the photo reveals “that the girl has a mark on her right wrist”.
The photograph, which is part of the interim report carried out by the PJ in September 2007, shows, for Gonçalo Amaral, a mark “as if someone had grabbed it and pulled it with excessive force”. At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. The girl then wore short sleeves, meaning that, if it was a sunburn, it would not be so localized and “well drawn”, says Gonçalo Amaral.
The photo also raised doubts, given the possibility of being a photomontage. The former inspector explains that “the body in the photo is that of a child older than Maddie”, then three years old. Gonçalo Amaral argues that Portugal should continue to investigate the case and that this photo should be properly examined, so the mother can be questioned later.
Another photo that raises doubts about its authenticity is one where Gerry McCann is shown sitting at the edge of the pool with his two daughters. “We can see some shadows in there. The direction of shadows and sun is not correct. At the time, we doubted the photo, we thought it was a way to create the image of a good father”, said the former inspector of the PJ. For Gonçalo Amaral, there are doubts about the evidence that the German judicial authorities gathered to accuse, by the end of the year, Christian Brueckner of the abduction and death of Maddie.
Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
So is the photo a photomontage featuring another child’s body or does it show a “battered and bruised” Madeleine? You can’t have it both ways Genius!
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It seems to me tha Amaral has taken his last chance to make some money out of Maddies disappearance. He can make alll these claims until evidence is produced to show the McCanns are innocent and maddie was abducted by a paedophile....evidence its clear to me Wolyers has. Once that is shown to be true his reputation will be in tatters
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he is saying she could have been the victim of physical abuse....he has evidence to support taht which he has stated. Looks like hes had some instruction on what is and isnt libel....this isnt
And this?
“ At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. “
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It seems to me tha Amaral has taken his last chance to make some money out of Maddies disappearance. He can make alll these claims until evidence is produced to show the McCanns are innocent and maddie was abducted by a paedophile....evidence its clear to me Wolyers has. Once that is shown to be true his reputation will be in tatters
The rich never worry about reputation.
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The rich never worry about reputation.
Who told you that?
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It’s quite the dumbest thing I ever heard.
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Who told you that?
I don’t need to be told.
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And this?
“ At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. “
Not libellous.. He is stating a fact which he can probably substantiate.. He isn't saying Kate us lying
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I don’t need to be told.
If the rich don’t care about reputation how do libel lawyers make a living?
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Not libellous.. He is stating a fact which he can probably substantiate.. He isn't saying Kate us lying
I never thought I’d see the day that you’d defend Amaral when he was obviously suggesting that the mother was lying. You’ve come far Davel.
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I never thought I’d see the day that you’d defend Amaral when he was obviously suggesting that the mother was lying. You’ve come far Davel.
I was equally surprised to see you suggesting Amaral was guilty of libelling Kate McCann. What a crazy mixed up world!
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I never thought I’d see the day that you’d defend Amaral when he was obviously suggesting that the mother was lying. You’ve come far Davel.
I'm not defending Amaral.. I'm defending his right to free speech within the constraints of the ECHR
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Basta de Mentiras. Enough of The Lies.
What is one supposed to make of that?
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Basta de Mentiras. Enough of The Lies.
What is one supposed to make of that?
One thing it’s clearly not is a note to self.
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One thing it’s clearly not is a note to self.
But who does Amaral think is telling the lies and about what?
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But who does Amaral think is telling the lies and about what?
Everyone about everything except little George Washington himself, the convicted perjurer, and of course the completely innocent burglar/paedo/rapist.
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What about this then.
The photo that led Portuguese investigators to interrogate Kate McCann about the bruise on the girl's right wrist was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance. Former inspector Gonçalo Amaral claims that the mark is not compatible with the explanation given by Maddie's parents.
Maddie appears in a photo with a suspicious mark. The PJ investigation maintains that the photograph was taken days, or hours, before the disappearance of the English girl on May 3, 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. Former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, who headed the team in charge of investigating the disappearance, points out that the photo reveals “that the girl has a mark on her right wrist”.
The photograph, which is part of the interim report carried out by the PJ in September 2007, shows, for Gonçalo Amaral, a mark “as if someone had grabbed it and pulled it with excessive force”. At the time, Kate McCann, Maddie's mother, downplayed the mark to the authorities, affirming that it was a sunburn. For investigators, the sunburn excuse does not hold water. The girl then wore short sleeves, meaning that, if it was a sunburn, it would not be so localized and “well drawn”, says Gonçalo Amaral.
The photo also raised doubts, given the possibility of being a photomontage. The former inspector explains that “the body in the photo is that of a child older than Maddie”, then three years old. Gonçalo Amaral argues that Portugal should continue to investigate the case and that this photo should be properly examined, so the mother can be questioned later.
Another photo that raises doubts about its authenticity is one where Gerry McCann is shown sitting at the edge of the pool with his two daughters. “We can see some shadows in there. The direction of shadows and sun is not correct. At the time, we doubted the photo, we thought it was a way to create the image of a good father”, said the former inspector of the PJ. For Gonçalo Amaral, there are doubts about the evidence that the German judicial authorities gathered to accuse, by the end of the year, Christian Brueckner of the abduction and death of Maddie.
Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
What about it? The man is a complete and utter idiot. 'Hey look there's a nasty mark on Madeleine's arm, where I grabbed her aggressively lets take a photo'!!
He is listening to the ramblings of the morons.
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What about it? The man is a complete and utter idiot. 'Hey look there's a nasty mark on Madeleine's arm, where I grabbed her aggressively lets take a photo'!!
He is listening to the ramblings of the morons.
”Let’s take a photo of our clearly abused child and circulate it to the entire world”.
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Well, if it isn't true...the mcs can always sue him again.
Have you a cite for your post
He deserves to be sued again. How can he come to such a ridiculous conclusion? Madeleine was speaking exactly how you would expect an almost four year old to speak. The man is deranged.
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He deserves to be sued again. How can he come to such a ridiculous conclusion? Madeleine was speaking exactly how you would expect an almost four year old to speak. The man is deranged.
How do you know this ?
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How do you know this ?
More to the point how does Amaral know she wasn’t?
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How do you know this ?
If you have a problem with the spoken English then quite possible Madeleine might have done so.
I personally made attempts to rectify this with my own small children.
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More to the point how does Amaral know she wasn’t?
Don't even think about this. Madeleine was only nearly four years old. What did anyone expect of her.
Was she abducted because her English wasn't amazing?
This is the point at which I get really pissed off. So do be a bit careful.
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Don't even think about this. Madeleine was only nearly four years old. What did anyone expect of her.
Was she abducted because her English wasn't amazing?
This is the point at which I get really pissed off. So do be a bit careful.
Amaral seems to be saying that because she had trouble with the words “chair” and “pee” or had different words for them that this indicates child abuse. Go figure…
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Don't even think about this. Madeleine was only nearly four years old. What did anyone expect of her.
Was she abducted because her English wasn't amazing?
This is the point at which I get really pissed off. So do be a bit careful.
But wasn't she reading Harry Potter, according to her mother? Doesn't sound like the same child.
Perhaps the book will reveal all.
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But wasn't she reading Harry Potter, according to her mother? Doesn't sound like the same child.
Perhaps the book will reveal all.
You have now gotten a bit beyond me. You are now a really nasty person. Four years old and her use of the English Language is in question.
You are sick.
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You have now gotten a bit beyond me. You are now a really nasty person. Four years old and her use of the English Language is in question.
You are sick.
Perhaps you need to brush up on your comprehension skills.
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You have now gotten a bit beyond me. You are now a really nasty person. Four years old and her use of the English Language is in question.
You are sick.
I hate to say I told you so.
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I hate to say I told you so.
Thanks for that. But I ever did hope.
Jassi apparently thinks she knows what comprehenson means for a four year old, let alone me.
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So we aren't doing awfully well at the moment but we still have to have a punch up.
Rock On.
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How do you know this ?
I listened to the video of her singing 'Clap your hands together' have you? There is nothing wrong with her speech Amaral is an idiot.
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But wasn't she reading Harry Potter, according to her mother? Doesn't sound like the same child.
Perhaps the book will reveal all.
Link to where it says Madeleine was reading Harry Potter please. Madeleine had a DVD of Harry Potter.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/like-most-kids-madeleine-is-a-harry-491413
Stop your nasty catty comments.
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Link to where it says Madeleine was reading Harry Potter please. Madeleine had a DVD of Harry Potter.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/like-most-kids-madeleine-is-a-harry-491413
Stop your nasty catty comments.
Stop your nasty catty comments.
So its ok for you when referring to GA....double standards come to mind
You should take your own advice for what your post says.
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Stop your nasty catty comments.
So its ok for you when referring to GA....double standards come to mind
You should take your own advice for what your post says.
Madeleine didn't read Harry Potter saying so is being catty about Kate. Where as saying Amaral is an idiot is the truth.
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Madeleine didn't read Harry Potter saying so is being catty about Kate. Where as saying Amaral is an idiot is the truth.
IYO...IMO its just as catty insulting GA in your post - was my point.
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What about this then.
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Camera and blanket disappeared
There are two objects from the McCanns that were photographed by the scientific police on the night of the disappearance and then went missing: the camera that was on the table and the pink blanket on Maddie's bed. Gonçalo Amaral reveals that the mother said she gave the blanket to the GNR, which didn't happen.
Behind paywall - Correio da Manhã, 10 October 2021
https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/maddie-tinha-marca-suspeita-num-pulso?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques
Can anyone account for Amaral’s continuing campaign of lies and disinformation?
From the files:
Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacao
Occupation: GNR Officer
He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.
On 4th May he was called at about 01.15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02.30.
When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann’s apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the MCCann couple. The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed
More to the point why isn’t our resident sceptic researcher and authority on the Files pointing out these blatant untruths? Is she perhaps happy for these myths to be repeated unchallenged on this forum? It would appear so IMO.
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Can anyone account for Amaral’s continuing campaign of lies and disinformation?
From the files:
More to the point why isn’t our resident sceptic researcher and authority on the Files pointing out these blatant untruths? Is she perhaps happy for these myths to be repeated unchallenged on this forum? It would appear so IMO.
We have all know for years that The Pink Blanket was given to The Portuguese Dogs.
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He had access to the PJ files, offically up until his departure, yet still doesn't appear to remember that a GNR officer took the blanket for the dogs as a scent.
This is the same person who insisted that CB was a long-haired hippie with a different van?
And is now saying that there was a gynie's hand-scribbled note in a serial criminal case to say no evidence of rape?
Why is he so keen to whitewash CB (who may evidently not be guilty of Madeleine's disappearance, whatever else he has done)?
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He had access to the PJ files, offically up until his departure, yet still doesn't appear to remember that a GNR officer took the blanket for the dogs as a scent.
This is the same person who insisted that CB was a long-haired hippie with a different van?
And is now saying that there was a gynie's hand-scribbled note in a serial criminal case to say no evidence of rape?
Why is he so keen to whitewash CB (who may evidently not be guilty of Madeleine's disappearance, whatever else he has done)?
He wants to whitewash CB because it would make him.. The rest if his team... And all his supporters look like fools
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He wants to whitewash CB because it would make him.. The rest if his team... And all his supporters look like fools
Much worse than fools. If no one minds me saying.
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If the McCanns are successful at the ECHR he could find himself back in court.. They could ask the Portuguese to re-open the original case and the SC judgement be re-examined
The ECHR was approached with a complaint against the SC .... nothing to do with Amaral .
The ECHR has no power to ask the Portuguese to reopen the original case. Best not to rely on what your dreams are suggesting .
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The ECHR was approached with a complaint against the SC .... nothing to do with Amaral .
The ECHR has no power to ask the Portuguese to reopen the original case. Best not to rely on what your dreams are suggesting .
Perhaps The Supreme Court will consider this as a matter of decency.
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We have all know for years that The Pink Blanket was given to The Portuguese Dogs.
The GNR officer Antonio Freitas Silva would disagree with you .
- He remembers that on the 4th of May of the current year, around 23H00, they attempted to tentatively identify and thus reconstruct the path taken by the missing minor. They gave the dogs a Turkish Bath towel which was supposedly used by the child in question. This operation was realised by two different dogs
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Perhaps The Supreme Court will consider this as a matter of decency.
Perhaps they won't even consider the complaint?
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Perhaps The Supreme Court will consider this as a matter of decency.
Depends if the judgement goes against them.
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The GNR officer Antonio Freitas Silva would disagree with you .
- He remembers that on the 4th of May of the current year, around 23H00, they attempted to tentatively identify and thus reconstruct the path taken by the missing minor. They gave the dogs a Turkish Bath towel which was supposedly used by the child in question. This operation was realised by two different dogs
Not possible. Any bath towels were used by the entire family.
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Perhaps they won't even consider the complaint?
This would not surprise Me.
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Depends if the judgement goes against them.
Obviously.
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Not possible. Any bath towels were used by the entire family.
One has to wonder why McCann didn't give police an item of Madeleine's clothing or the bed sheet that she had last slept in.
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Not possible. Any bath towels were used by the entire family.
I wonder how you know that ? Perhaps Madeleine fussed about having her own towel ?
Are you saying the officer didn't know the difference between a towel and a blanket?
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One has to wonder why McCann didn't police an item of Madeleine's clothing or the bed sheet that she had last slept in.
The Pink Blanket was on her pillow.
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I wonder how you know that ? Perhaps Madeleine fussed about having her own towel ?
Are you saying the officer didn't know the difference between a towel and a blanket?
Who packs a separate bath towel for every member of the family? Or even one for just one child.
It was a blanket and we know that The Blanket was Pink. It was photographed by Madeleine's pillow after she disappeared.
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According to Daily mail, was a towel.
"Kate McCann gave the team a towel she had used to dry Madeleine after a bath. "
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1042254/Aerial-photo-shows-sniffer-dog-trail-following-Madeleines-scent-took-nearby-car-park.html
Who to believe ?
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Is there a cite for a pink blanket being used by the dogs?
I only ask in the interest of balance.
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I wonder how you know that ? Perhaps Madeleine fussed about having her own towel ?
Are you saying the officer didn't know the difference between a towel and a blanket?
Are you saying that?
Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacao
Occupation: GNR Officer
He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.
On 4th May he was called at about 01.15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02.30.
When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann’s apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the MCCann couple. The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed
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Is there a cite for a pink blanket being used by the dogs?
I only ask in the interest of balance.
Check The Search Facility. This was done to death years ago.
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Check The Search Facility. This was done to death years ago.
VS has proved more cooperative 8)--))
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VS has proved more cooperative 8)--))
Indeed.
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The ECHR was approached with a complaint against the SC .... nothing to do with Amaral .
The ECHR has no power to ask the Portuguese to reopen the original case. Best not to rely on what your dreams are suggesting .
The ECHR case has everything to do with Amaral. to decide if the SC jufgement was correct they will look at what evidence amarals claimsd were based on. If the McCanns win at the ECHR they can then petition the Portuguese to re-open the case and the SC judgement could be overturned.
You should know better that sny post I make is based on facts
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We'll just have to await the decision.
It sure is a long time coming.
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Enough of The Lies from Amaral?
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Enough of The Lies from Amaral?
In the intro to his book he's described as having an uunblemished record as a PJ officer... With lies like that how can you believe anything in the book
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In the intro to his book he's described as having an uunblemished record as a PJ officer... With lies like that how can you believe anything in the book
So he chose an apt Title then.
Basta de Mentiras.
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The ECHR case has everything to do with Amaral. to decide if the SC jufgement was correct they will look at what evidence amarals claimsd were based on. If the McCanns win at the ECHR they can then petition the Portuguese to re-open the case and the SC judgement could be overturned.
You should know better that sny post I make is based on facts
The ECHR will not look at the evidence Amaral's claims were based on .
That's my opinion .
Has the McCann complaint got any further up the ladder ?
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The ECHR will not look at the evidence Amaral's claims were based on .
That's my opinion .
Has the McCann complaint got any further up the ladder ?
If you read about how the ECHR judge cases... 8 vs 10..on the official ECHR site they state as, a fact that the, evidence supporting the statements and their veracity are what is important. That's, not opinion.. It's fact and it makes perfect sense
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If you read about how the ECHR judge cases... 8 vs 10..on the official ECHR site they state as, a fact that the, evidence supporting the statements and their veracity are what is important. That's, not opinion.. It's fact and it makes perfect sense
No problem then. Amaral's opinions were based on the evidence in the files.
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If you read about how the ECHR judge cases... 8 vs 10..on the official ECHR site they state as, a fact that the, evidence supporting the statements and their veracity are what is important. That's, not opinion.. It's fact and it makes perfect sense
The McCanns have made a complaint against the Supreme Court of Portugal .
They are wanting compensation for that.
So far as I know the ECHR cannot change the decision which was .......
According to a Supreme Court official, the decision upholds the reasoning on which the appeal court based its decision to revoke the award of damages, stating that: “In a situation of conflict between the right to honour and the right to freedom of expression, the criterion of weighing of interests, acting according to the principle of proportionality and the specificity of the case, points in the direction of its being the freedom of expression .
It's (SC decision) about the right to Freedom Of Expression .
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No problem then. Amaral's opinions were based on the evidence in the files.
You missed out the word veracity... There's also the question of balance.. Theres a massive problem for Portugal and Amaral
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The McCanns have made a complaint against the Supreme Court of Portugal .
They are wanting compensation for that.
So far as I know the ECHR cannot change the decision which was .......
According to a Supreme Court official, the decision upholds the reasoning on which the appeal court based its decision to revoke the award of damages, stating that: “In a situation of conflict between the right to honour and the right to freedom of expression, the criterion of weighing of interests, acting according to the principle of proportionality and the specificity of the case, points in the direction of its being the freedom of expression .
It's (SC decision) about the right to Freedom Of Expression .
The complaint is against Portugal and their decision not to uphhold the MvCanns rights under, Article.. This I'd s conflict between Article 8 and amarals rights under article 10.
The ECHR will look at the evidence supporting amarals statements and also the balance based on all the available evidence. He fails on both...
If the ruling is in the McCanns favour then they can petition porrtugal to re-open the Case and the SC judgement will be reassessed based on the ECHR ruling..
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The complaint is against Portugal and their decision not to uphhold the MvCanns rights under, Article.. This I'd s conflict between Article 8 and amarals rights under article 10.
The ECHR will look at the evidence supporting amarals statements and also the balance based on all the availabl
e evidence. He fails on both...
If the ruling is in the McCanns favour then they can petition porrtugal to re-open the Case and the SC judgement will be reassessed based on the ECHR ruling..
I don't agree apart from your first paragraph. but let's leave it at that?
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I don't agree apart from your first paragraph. but let's leave it at that?
I don't really care if you agree or not... All my information comes from publications by the ECHR... It's absolutely correct... Where's yours from
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We'll just have to await the decision.
It sure is a long time coming.
it's not even at a noteworthy pending.
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it's not even at a noteworthy pending.
Yet Fairh has been reliably informed the ECHR have thrown the case out. Jeez who to believe?
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You missed out the word veracity... There's also the question of balance.. Theres a massive problem for Portugal and Amaral
Evidence is evidence. Interpreting that evidence is opinion.
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Yet Fairh has been reliably informed the ECHR have thrown the case out. Jeez who to believe?
Who can say, if it's not noteworthy , then it's on a back burner.
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Evidence is evidence. Interpreting that evidence is opinion.
Well done.. What do you think a court verdict is.... It's an opinion. The ECHR will give their opinion on the SCs opinion
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Who can say, if it's not noteworthy , then it's on a back burner.
It was, sent to the prtuguese govt for their obssevations in Jan.. It has to go back and forth a few times and each exchange takes about three months. The wheels are in motion
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Evidence is evidence. Interpreting that evidence is opinion.
We know that according to the PJ the main evidence against the mccanns was the dog alerts.. We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
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We know that according to the PJ the main evidence against the mccanns was the dog alerts.. We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
But did they - its not as if they found nothing or anything anywhere else imo
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We know that according to the PJ the main evidence against the mccanns was the dog alerts.. We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
There's nothing to stop the police or anyone else from interpreting uncorroberated evidence how they wish. Some people, for example, interpret an alleged open window and shutters as a sign that a stranger abduction occured.
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We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
But did they - its not as if they found nothing or anything anywhere else imo
Yes they did... It's s fact. Amaral claimed the alerts confirmed a cadaver had been in 5a... They didn't confirm thst at all.
They suggested a cadaver MAY have been in 5a
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There's nothing to stop the police or anyone else from interpreting uncorroberated evidence how they wish. Some people, for example, interpret an alleged open window and shutters as a sign that a stranger abduction occured.
the window is evidence that supports third party involvement... That's a fact
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As the identity of the window opener is unknown, how can the event of the window being opened point in any direction, other than someone exercising their opinion ?
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Yes they did... It's s fact. Amaral claimed the alerts confirmed a cadaver had been in 5a... They didn't confirm thst at all.
They suggested a cadaver MAY have been in 5a
They suggested a cadaver MAY have been in 5a
Exactly - an seeing no one else it seems died in the apartment.
Cadaver [a dead body] could have been in 5a ....not there was no cadaver.
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It was, sent to the prtuguese govt for their obssevations in Jan.. It has to go back and forth a few times and each exchange takes about three months. The wheels are in motion
Think its what most people think....seems what wolt says - is water of a ducks back
Gonçalo Amaral: Today I learned that the German prosecutor has stated, if indeed he has affirmed it, that we performed inefficiently and that they (Germans) can do in a weeks time the work that we, the Portuguese police, have done in six months of investigation. Of what he accuses us, I can only say, for my part not as in charge of the police, but for my part as a citizen, as the coordinator of the Judiciary Police at that time, as a the person that was in charge of the men and women that gave everything to find this child and to know what happened to her, we can only say to that gentleman, to the prosecutor: Get over yourself! (i.e. know your place) and be ware that here in Portugal we are very aware of what is being said. Donkey's voices don't reach the heavens (i.e. similar to the British idiomatic expression "like water off a duck's back"), not even his.
https://sicnoticias.pt/especiais/caso-maddie---10-anos/2021-10-13-Goncalo-Amaral-lanca-novo-livro-sobre-Maddie-927f1efa
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Something or someone was passed through that window in my opinion.
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the window is evidence that supports third party involvement... That's a fact
The window is uncorroberated evidence, just as the cadaver dog alerts are. The significance is opinion in both examples.
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The window is uncorroberated evidence, just as the cadaver dog alerts are. The significance is opinion in both examples.
So you accept it's evidence.. As it is.
How much value is, attached to the evidence depends on other factors
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So you accept it's evidence.. As it is.
How much value is, attached to the evidence depends on other factors
Like who else saw it. We all saw the cadaver dog alerting.
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Like who else saw it. We all saw the cadaver dog alerting.
Lol.... And Grime explained it's significance
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We therefore know as a fact that they misinterpreted the evidence
But did they - its not as if they found nothing or anything anywhere else imo
Yes 100%...there, was no confirmation of a cadaver in 5a..
It's a fact they misunderstood thr evidence... It's telling you don't realise that
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They suggested a cadaver MAY have been in 5a
Exactly - an seeing no one else it seems died in the apartment.
Cadaver [a dead body] could have been in 5a ....not there was no cadaver.
Amaral claimed a cadaver was confirmed... He should realise he, was wrong
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Think its what most people think....seems what wolt says - is water of a ducks back
Gonçalo Amaral: Today I learned that the German prosecutor has stated, if indeed he has affirmed it, that we performed inefficiently and that they (Germans) can do in a weeks time the work that we, the Portuguese police, have done in six months of investigation. Of what he accuses us, I can only say, for my part not as in charge of the police, but for my part as a citizen, as the coordinator of the Judiciary Police at that time, as a the person that was in charge of the men and women that gave everything to find this child and to know what happened to her, we can only say to that gentleman, to the prosecutor: Get over yourself! (i.e. know your place) and be ware that here in Portugal we are very aware of what is being said. Donkey's voices don't reach the heavens (i.e. similar to the British idiomatic expression "like water off a duck's back"), not even his.
https://sicnoticias.pt/especiais/caso-maddie---10-anos/2021-10-13-Goncalo-Amaral-lanca-novo-livro-sobre-Maddie-927f1efa
Amaral still doesn't understand the evidence
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Amaral still doesn't understand the evidence
Well seems your wrong in your many posts that GA has backed tracked.
More than 14 years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral maintains the thesis that the parents and friends who accompanied them are involved in the case – “there are signs of simulated abduction” – and accuses the German police and judicial authorities of lying to fit Christian Brueckner into the “perfect suspect” profile.
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Well seems your wrong in your many posts that GA has backed tracked.
More than 14 years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral maintains the thesis that the parents and friends who accompanied them are involved in the case – “there are signs of simulated abduction” – and accuses the German police and judicial authorities of lying to fit Christian Brueckner into the “perfect suspect” profile.
He's saying there are signs of simulated abduction.. Not thst one took plsce
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Amaral simply has a different interpretation of the evidence available and what it means.
Everyone has an opinion but as yet it has not been resolved who is correct.
IMO ?{)(**
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Amaral simply has a different interpretation of the evidence available and what it means.
Everyone has an opinion but as yet it has not been resolved who is correct.
IMO ?{)(**
The alerts do not confirm a cadaver... That is a simple fact that some can't seem to grasp. It's not opinion.
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The alerts do not confirm a cadaver... That is a simple fact that some can't seem to grasp. It's not opinion.
I never mentioned cadaver . I spoke of interpretation of evidence in general terms.
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I never mentioned cadaver . I spoke of interpretation of evidence in general terms.
You spoke of Amaral.... Amaral and his team thought the main evidence against the. McCann was the dog alerts
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You spoke of Amaral.... Amaral and his team thought the main evidence against the. McCann was the dog alerts
I'm sure they had an opinion on all the evidence available at that time.
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Amaral is a convicted liar and I have had enough of his lies.
Basta de Mentiras.
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Something or someone was passed through that window in my opinion.
A perfectly reasonable assumption to make in the circumstances.
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Like who else saw it. We all saw the cadaver dog alerting.
Indeed we did both in Praia da Luz 😁 and in Haute de la Garenne
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A perfectly reasonable assumption to make in the circumstances.
I do have logical reasons for assuming this, but I am entirely fed up with mentioning what they are. And I am past caring anyway.
I shall leave it to The Germans for now.
If Madeleine is dead then she is dead. And if Madeleine isn't dead then she will be okay.
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Amaral simply has a different interpretation of the evidence available and what it means.
Everyone has an opinion but as yet it has not been resolved who is correct.
IMO ?{)(**
They did sack Amaral from the case though.
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Indeed we did both in Praia da Luz 😁 and in Haute de la Garenne
Oh, was that alerting? I was just waiting for the result of what looked like a game to me.
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I'm sure they had an opinion on all the evidence available at that time.
But when it came to what they considered was their most important piece of evidence their opinion was wrong
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I do have logical reasons for assuming this, but I am entirely fed up with mentioning what they are. And I am past caring anyway.
I shall leave it to The Germans for now.
If Madeleine is dead then she is dead. And if Madeleine isn't dead then she will be okay.
Is this really the best that Amaral can do ... apparently tailoring his narrative to mirror the ravings of hate sites with uncorroborated meanderings borrowed from him in the first instance. How utterly boring it all is.
The Germans will move at their own pace and I think their intervention will prove to be the decisive factor or not as the case may be.
In the meantime the aficionados can hang around waiting for the English edition of Amaral's second cashing in using Madeleine. The person is quite as shameless as he is deranged I think.
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They did sack Amaral from the case though.
Of course they did. What's that got to do with his interpretation of evidence?
He was replaced and the investigation went in a different direction. Failed to achieve anything, so maybe that approach was wrong.
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Is this really the best that Amaral can do ... apparently tailoring his narrative to mirror the ravings of hate sites with uncorroborated meanderings borrowed from him in the first instance. How utterly boring it all is.
The Germans will move at their own pace and I think their intervention will prove to be the decisive factor or not as the case may be.
In the meantime the aficionados can hang around waiting for the English edition of Amaral's second cashing in using Madeleine. The person is quite as shameless as he is deranged I think.
It has crossed my mind that Amaral is mad.
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Of course they did. What's that got to do with his interpretation of evidence?
He was replaced and the investigation went in a different direction. Failed to achieve anything, so maybe that approach was wrong.
You've summed it up quite succinctly there. He based his original book on flawed evidence which he seems to have reprised in his current one.
I think the only 'information' from it which might be of interest - is the episode containing information referring to the PJ conduct regarding Brueckner and what happened after they knocked his door and found he wasn't at home.
Is there there such a chapter one wonders?
Is there such an explanation?
If not ~ one wonders why not.
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It has crossed my mind that Amaral is mad.
I believe that to be so but with the addition of "bad". I think it is the only explanation.
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It has crossed my mind that Amaral is mad.
Vindictive and not very bright - a lethal combination.
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It would seem that the new book is a compendium of all the daftest theories about this case that you can already laugh at on sceptic sites. Save yer money folks!
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Perhaps it would be helpful if we hope to ever reach the sophistication and maturity of discussion on other forms such as Websleuths that we take the debate out of the playground. Name calling makes for a rather childish alternative to proper, adult debate, don’t you think?
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Perhaps it would be helpful if we hope to ever reach the sophistication and maturity of discussion on other forms such as Websleuths that we take the debate out of the playground. Name calling makes for a rather childish alternative to proper, adult debate, don’t you think?
Really?... Scroll to the bottom of the page and read yesterday's admin note...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14 (https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14)
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Really?... Scroll to the bottom of the page and read yesterday's admin note...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14 (https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14)
Websleuths is much more heavily Moderated than This Forum.
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Websleuths is much more heavily Moderated than This Forum.
Oh, I don't know....my perfectly legitimate comment was moderated earlier today.... 8)--))
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Websleuths is much more heavily Moderated than This Forum.
Being a huge worldwide forum originating in the US in 1999 with far more cases than here, no doubt there are many (including mods) there with too much free time on their hands.
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Oh, I don't know....my perfectly legitimate comment was moderated earlier today.... 8)--))
Not guilty, and Ellie was too busy having a first cuppa of the day and filling up her woodburning stove.
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Being a huge worldwide forum originating in the US in 1999 with far more cases than here, no doubt there are many (including mods) there with too much free time on their hands.
I don't know. I've lost the plot these days so I tend to follow your lead.
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Not guilty, and Ellie was too busy having a first cuppa of the day and filling up her woodburning stove.
Not to forget feeding the rotten little horror story, so you can add moping up pee to that.
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I don't know. I've lost the plot these days so I tend to follow your lead.
Well, I'm off now for the rest of today, juggling a couple of DIY projects. Much healthier than sat watching this never-ending, tit-for-tat merry-go-round.
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Really?... Scroll to the bottom of the page and read yesterday's admin note...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14 (https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14)
I’m not a member. I was simply alluding to a comment made by Brietta yesterday.
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Well, I'm off now for the rest of today, juggling a couple of DIY projects. Much healthier than sat watching this never-ending, tit-for-tat merry-go-round.
#MeToo. Treating Wooden Garden Slats along with Watching Law and Order UK. Very informative is that.
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I’m not a member. I was simply alluding to a comment made by Brietta yesterday.
Practice what you preach baby.
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I’m not a member. I was simply alluding to a comment made by Brietta yesterday.
Believe me, it is heavily Moderated. But you can't half learn a lot from what is left.
There are more small children abducted from their beds than I ever thought was possible.
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Really?... Scroll to the bottom of the page and read yesterday's admin note...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14 (https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-26.592806/page-14)
I must thank you for that link. Judging by the various topic titles, it promises to make for interesting reading
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I must thank you for that link. Judging by the various topic titles, it promises to make for interesting reading
It is a good Forum. Of which The McCann Affair is only a small part.
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It is a good Forum. Of which The McCann Affair is only a small part.
I like the fact that most commentators on there are generally of the view that Amaral is a complete idiot.
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I like the fact that most commentators on there are generally of the view that Amaral is a complete idiot.
As kind as that are they?
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I like the fact that most commentators on there are generally of the view that Amaral is a complete idiot.
Yeah, just like they're not the same commentators on here.
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Yeah, just like they're not the same commentators on here.
So do you respect the officer who doesn't understand the alertd or dna... Who thinks that any other officer who doesn't agree with him is a liar and part of a conspiracy.. He sounds barmy to me
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So do you respect the officer who doesn't understand the alertd or dna... Who thinks that any other officer who doesn't agree with him is a liar and part of a conspiracy.. He sounds barmy to me
Well seems he is saying what most said at the start of wolt fishing expedition in june 2020 and it seems no further on. imo
https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/14/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/
credibility.
Nothing can be found that links the individual to Madeleine McCann. Nothing. Neither in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, whether objects, machines, photographs, computers, information technology and more, nor in what was apprehended by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.
They can't get the individual inside that apartment. So what do they do? They do what suits them. He raped an elderly American woman in Praia da Luz, he will have abused an Irish woman, and so on, he has several lawsuits.
Okay, he may have done all that, but where are the clues that link him to Madeleine McCann? And then they will answer you that there is a witness, who for them is an unmotivated and credible witness, who gave a spontaneous testimony regarding what happened. And everything revolves around this witness.
Until another kind of more credible evidence appears, do you continue to value above all the interim report that your team prepared in 2007. According to these conclusions, do the child's parents still have a lot to explain?
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, when it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
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Well seems he is saying what most said at the start of wolt fishing expedition in june 2020 and it seems no further on. imo
https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/14/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/
credibility.
Nothing can be found that links the individual to Madeleine McCann. Nothing. Neither in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, whether objects, machines, photographs, computers, information technology and more, nor in what was apprehended by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.
They can't get the individual inside that apartment. So what do they do? They do what suits them. He raped an elderly American woman in Praia da Luz, he will have abused an Irish woman, and so on, he has several lawsuits.
Okay, he may have done all that, but where are the clues that link him to Madeleine McCann? And then they will answer you that there is a witness, who for them is an unmotivated and credible witness, who gave a spontaneous testimony regarding what happened. And everything revolves around this witness.
Until another kind of more credible evidence appears, do you continue to value above all the interim report that your team prepared in 2007. According to these conclusions, do the child's parents still have a lot to explain?
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, when it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
While it doesn't mean they're guilty of any wrongdoing, Madeleine's parents said and did things which hindered rather than helped imo.
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Yeah, just like they're not the same commentators on here.
If so, one can only give them full marks for service above and beyond to the cause.
How anyone can be arsed to contribute to more than one McCann forum is beyond my understanding.
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Well seems he is saying what most said at the start of wolt fishing expedition in june 2020 and it seems no further on. imo
https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/14/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/
credibility.
Nothing can be found that links the individual to Madeleine McCann. Nothing. Neither in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, whether objects, machines, photographs, computers, information technology and more, nor in what was apprehended by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.
They can't get the individual inside that apartment. So what do they do? They do what suits them. He raped an elderly American woman in Praia da Luz, he will have abused an Irish woman, and so on, he has several lawsuits.
Okay, he may have done all that, but where are the clues that link him to Madeleine McCann? And then they will answer you that there is a witness, who for them is an unmotivated and credible witness, who gave a spontaneous testimony regarding what happened. And everything revolves around this witness.
Until another kind of more credible evidence appears, do you continue to value above all the interim report that your team prepared in 2007. According to these conclusions, do the child's parents still have a lot to explain?
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, when it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
Amaral ddi not understand the evidence of the dogs and dna so quoting him is really a waste of time...if you want to beleive someone who has shown a poor understanding of the evidence its up to you but doesnt make sense
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Yeah, just like they're not the same commentators on here.
Well I'm not on there if that's what you're implying. Strange there are so few Amaral supporters defending their man on there though, what's stopping them all?
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Amaral ddi not understand the evidence of the dogs and dna so quoting him is really a waste of time...if you want to beleive someone who has shown a poor understanding of the evidence its up to you but doesnt make sense
Think they might be a lot more than the dogs that GA knows. plus the fact he knows hell of a lot more than wolt.
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He's saying there are signs of simulated abduction.. Not thst one took plsce
He's saying there are signs of simulated abduction.. Not thst one took plsce
Obviously ....GA doesn't believe Maddie was abducted...or what other point was you trying to make
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Think they might be a lot more than the dogs that GA knows. plus the fact he knows hell of a lot more than wolt.
Tavares Almeida said the main evidence was the dogs..that's a fact... What you are posting is what you think. I'm sure Wolters has the evidence that will humiliate amaral... And the dogs
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He's saying there are signs of simulated abduction.. Not thst one took plsce
Obviously ....GA doesn't believe Maddie was abducted...or what other point was you trying to make
Amaral is not saying there was a simulated abduction... He's saying there are signs of a simulated abduction.. The first is libellous... The second isn't
To me he's beeing careful what he says
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Amaral is not saying there was a simulated abduction... He's saying there are signs of a simulated abduction.. The first is libellous... The second isn't
To me he's beeing careful what he says
Just trying to make some money before his ship finally sinks with all hands on board.
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Just trying to make some money before his ship finally sinks with all hands on board.
What will you do then, idle hands are the devils workshop .
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What will you do then, idle hands are the devils workshop .
Stoking The Wood Burner is a full time job. But I expect I will find the time to add more fuel to the flames.
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Well I'm not on there if that's what you're implying. Strange there are so few Amaral supporters defending their man on there though, what's stopping them all?
Perhaps there's no such thing as 'Amaral supporters'? Not cast in the same mould as 'McCann supporters anyway, imo.
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Perhaps there's no such thing as 'Amaral supporters'? Not cast in the same mould as 'McCann supporters anyway, imo.
So I just imagined all the people who are busting a gut trying to buy his crappy book despite the fact they don’t even read or understand Portuguese? And all those people who made multiple donations to his fund and who revently refer to him as “Doctor Amaral”? You really do make me laugh! @)(++(*
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So I just imagined all the people who are busting a gut trying to buy his crappy book despite the fact they don’t even read or understand Portuguese? And all those people who made multiple donations to his fund and who revently refer to him as “Doctor Amaral”? You really do make me laugh! @)(++(*
Especially as he tells such frightful fibs.
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Perhaps there's no such thing as 'Amaral supporters'? Not cast in the same mould as 'McCann supporters anyway, imo.
Your opinion is anything but impartial and therefore worthless
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So I just imagined all the people who are busting a gut trying to buy his crappy book despite the fact they don’t even read or understand Portuguese? And all those people who made multiple donations to his fund and who revently refer to him as “Doctor Amaral”? You really do make me laugh! @)(++(*
I don't know anything about people 'busting a gut' to buy his book. Where did that information come from? As to donating to his fund, the purpose was to allow the underdog to defend himself against those who thought they'd rendered that impossible. I believe he was entitled to be called Doctor, according to Portuguese custom.
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I don't know anything about people 'busting a gut' to buy his book. Where did that information come from? As to donating to his fund, the purpose was to allow the underdog to defend himself against those who thought they'd rendered that impossible. I believe he was entitled to be called Doctor, according to Portuguese custom.
Are you saying Amaral does not enjoy active support from McCann sceptics in this country and elsewhere? That he does not have supporters who post on forums and other social media? Is that what you believe? Oooook then, that’s up to you. *%87
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Are we saying that Amaral would have been incapable of defending himself without The Fund set up in his name?
And that he couldn't speak for himself?
And was there no one in that glorious country who would not have acted pro bono for him?
I find this all very difficult to believe. Especially as he appears to have a Doctorate in Law.
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Anyone remember the bouncing for Amaral when he joined the 3As? It was as if Jesus himself was walking amongst them. Hilarious! There are fewer “bouncers” now but they still bounce about in various nooks and crannies of the internet, bless their dark hearts.
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INTERVIEW
Gonçalo Amaral. The "fear" of Portuguese justice and the "lies" of German justice in the Maddie case
Oct 14, 2021 - 16:54 • Celso Paiva Sol
On the day his new book "Maddie - Enough Lies" hits the retail market, the former PJ inspector, who led the first few months of research, says what he thinks of the German investigation and goes back to saying that the parents of the English child still have much to explain about that day May 3, 2007.
Gonçalo Amaral accuses the public prosecutor and the Judicial Police of being afraid to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Of witnessing an unforgivable breach of a violation of national sovereignty, apparently, for fear of reaching politically incorrect conclusions.
On the day his new book "Maddie - Enough Lies" hits the retail market, the former PJ inspector, who led the first few months of research, says what he thinks of the German investigation and goes back to saying that the parents of the English child still have much to explain about that day May 3, 2007.
We started this conversation with the challenge to answer the question you put on the cover of the book. 14 years later, why don't we know the truth?
For fear of the police and the Portuguese prosecutors, I have no doubt about it.
Afraid of what?
Fear of an investigation that is not politically correct. The Portuguese judicial authorities seem to prefer others to resolve the matter, and this is an abstention from their duties as a sovereignty body in relation to our own sovereignty. Portugal cannot abstain in any case, in this or others that it seems that they want to associate with it. Cooperation cannot lead to this, and there is only this kind of cooperation, which is not any cooperation, because the Public Ministry and the Judicial Police are afraid, and prefer another solution.
"It seems that in Portugal is afraid of this investigation"
But there is a Portuguese investigation. The inquiry runs its terms.
There is a Portuguese, but if there is a Portuguese investigation we have our doubts. If there was a Portuguese investigation, Portugal had to have already questioned the individual who is detained in Germany, and interviewed as a witness the people, or the person, who say that he confessed to the practice of this crime of pseudo-abduction.
It seems that in Portugal one is afraid of this investigation, and then one thinks: 'ah, do they solve? Then let them sort it out. That's not us.'
Germany, and this prosecutor, are becoming owners and lords of other situations that happened in Portugal, in which it is said that the individual is also suspected. It was also he who raped another person, who abused, the German authorities say that in addition to the Madeleine case, which they already assume are them investigating, which is no longer Portugal, there are other cases that happened in Portugal. And then I ask. How does the prosecution allow this?
The German public prosecutor's office promises to complete its work soon. In the book it is clear that he considers that this investigation has no credibility.
There's nothing to link the individual to Madeleine McCann. Nothing. Nor in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, were objects, machines, photographs, computers, computer things and not only, nor in what was seized by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.
They can't get the guy into that apartment. So what do they do? They do what they're all about. He raped an old American woman on Luz Beach, he's been abusing an Irish woman, and so on, he's got a lot of lawsuits.
Okay, he may have done all this, but where are the clues linking him to Madeleine McCann? And then they will answer to him that there is a witness, who to them is a witness without any motivation and credible, who gave a spontaneous statement regarding what happened. And it's all about this witness.
Until another type of more credible evidence appears, it continues to value above all the progress report that its team produced in 2007. According to these findings, do the child's parents still have much to explain?
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
"The investigation has to know what is the relationship between taking this medicine and the possible death of the child"
Therefore, there is an involvement of the parents – who had responsibility for the custody of the child – in their disappearance. And we're not going any further than that, I don't talk about criminal involvement. I try to be as objective as possible, and more objective is to say that there are indications in the involvement of the mysterious disappearance of the child.
There's strong evidence of a kidnapping crime. We ask, and we keep asking, if it's said there's a real kidnapping why do you simulate a kidnapping? The way forward, not being them to speak, has to be through the reconstitution of the facts with everyone, which after 14 years is still plausible to do.
In this book Gonçalo Amaral explores more deeply the absence of information about the child who disappeared. He says that Portuguese research never had access, for example, to his medical history.
In an investigation into disappearance, child abduction, child abuse, the first thing you need to know is the victim. And this victim, we were never allowed to know her, particularly with such a medical history.
These children were medicated, or given to sleep a medically named Calpol, which is an antihistamine, that put them to sleep. The investigation has to know what is the relationship between taking this medicine and the possible death of the child. And for that we need the clinical history. We need to know if she had a problem.
https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/15/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/
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Definitely mentally unstable, if he thinks we are all as daft as he is, or have very short memories.
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Are you saying Amaral does not enjoy active support from McCann sceptics in this country and elsewhere? That he does not have supporters who post on forums and other social media? Is that what you believe? Oooook then, that’s up to you. *%87
If you want me to believe your hyperbolic pronouncements some evidence supporting them woulld help.
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If you want me to believe your hyperbolic pronouncements some evidence supporting them woulld help.
What exact do you find hyperbolic about the term “Amaral’s supporters”?
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If you want me to believe your hyperbolic pronouncements some evidence supporting them woulld help.
Was Amaral completely deluded when he wrote this in your opinion?
Dr Amaral has a message of thanks for his friends and supporters <3
https://www.facebook.com/goncalodesousa.amaral/posts/815996971813683
"Friends, I have to thank the many messages of support that I have arrived. This support has been translated also through The Blog Project Justice Goncalo Amaral, created in 2009 by a group of friends to help me in the fight for the truth and the achievement of justice. It is through this project that has been channelled the material support, without which would not have come here. I hope I can continue to be with you for your help. Thank you very much." http://pjga.blogspot.pt/
Amigos, não posso deixar de agradecer as numerosas mensagens de apoio que me têm chegado. Este apoio tem-se traduzido também através do blogue Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral, criado em 2009 por um grupo de amigos para me ajudar na luta pela verdade e pela realização da justiça. É através deste Projecto que se tem canalizado o apoio material, sem o qual não teria chegado aqui. Espero poder continuar a contar com a vossa ajuda. Muito obrigado."
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“What a genuinely lovely man😀”
“He will always have our support , we love his strength and courage x”
“☺️ shame the world doesn't have more decent men like him x”
“What a courageous man! 😘”
“He has a lot of people on his side why should he suffer for the likes of those pair Lovely Man he is”
“There are very few courageous gents in this world but goncola you are 1 of them xxx”
“Go Amaral ! im on ur side ,,, please keep going”
“Don't give up GA as we are all behind you here. This is one set back that is unjust. But you will reach justice soon. Here in Australia I'm gutted for you ( devastated)”
Just a tiny fraction of the messages of support from Amaral’s supporters. Do let me know if you’d like some more evidence that Amaral has supporters and I will supply it. And if you need evidence that bears poop in the woods and that the Pope is a Catholic I can probably supply that as well (an address for where to send the bear shit might be necessary however).
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You think you are reliably informed... I'm sure you are not.
I've seen some of the book... More fantasy from aamaral.
He says now that the only certain thing is the child disappeared... So it's clear he's backtracking
Interesting you see apparent "backtracking" as yet "more fantasy from Amaral"!
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INTERVIEW
Gonçalo Amaral. The "fear" of Portuguese justice and the "lies" of German justice in the Maddie case
Oct 14, 2021 - 16:54 • Celso Paiva Sol
On the day his new book "Maddie - Enough Lies" hits the retail market, the former PJ inspector, who led the first few months of research, says what he thinks of the German investigation and goes back to saying that the parents of the English child still have much to explain about that day May 3, 2007.
Gonçalo Amaral accuses the public prosecutor and the Judicial Police of being afraid to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Of witnessing an unforgivable breach of a violation of national sovereignty, apparently, for fear of reaching politically incorrect conclusions.
On the day his new book "Maddie - Enough Lies" hits the retail market, the former PJ inspector, who led the first few months of research, says what he thinks of the German investigation and goes back to saying that the parents of the English child still have much to explain about that day May 3, 2007.
We started this conversation with the challenge to answer the question you put on the cover of the book. 14 years later, why don't we know the truth?
For fear of the police and the Portuguese prosecutors, I have no doubt about it.
Afraid of what?
Fear of an investigation that is not politically correct. The Portuguese judicial authorities seem to prefer others to resolve the matter, and this is an abstention from their duties as a sovereignty body in relation to our own sovereignty. Portugal cannot abstain in any case, in this or others that it seems that they want to associate with it. Cooperation cannot lead to this, and there is only this kind of cooperation, which is not any cooperation, because the Public Ministry and the Judicial Police are afraid, and prefer another solution.
"It seems that in Portugal is afraid of this investigation"
But there is a Portuguese investigation. The inquiry runs its terms.
There is a Portuguese, but if there is a Portuguese investigation we have our doubts. If there was a Portuguese investigation, Portugal had to have already questioned the individual who is detained in Germany, and interviewed as a witness the people, or the person, who say that he confessed to the practice of this crime of pseudo-abduction.
It seems that in Portugal one is afraid of this investigation, and then one thinks: 'ah, do they solve? Then let them sort it out. That's not us.'
Germany, and this prosecutor, are becoming owners and lords of other situations that happened in Portugal, in which it is said that the individual is also suspected. It was also he who raped another person, who abused, the German authorities say that in addition to the Madeleine case, which they already assume are them investigating, which is no longer Portugal, there are other cases that happened in Portugal. And then I ask. How does the prosecution allow this?
The German public prosecutor's office promises to complete its work soon. In the book it is clear that he considers that this investigation has no credibility.
There's nothing to link the individual to Madeleine McCann. Nothing. Nor in the material that was found in the searches carried out in Germany, were objects, machines, photographs, computers, computer things and not only, nor in what was seized by the Portuguese police inside the apartment where the child disappeared.
They can't get the guy into that apartment. So what do they do? They do what they're all about. He raped an old American woman on Luz Beach, he's been abusing an Irish woman, and so on, he's got a lot of lawsuits.
Okay, he may have done all this, but where are the clues linking him to Madeleine McCann? And then they will answer to him that there is a witness, who to them is a witness without any motivation and credible, who gave a spontaneous statement regarding what happened. And it's all about this witness.
Until another type of more credible evidence appears, it continues to value above all the progress report that its team produced in 2007. According to these findings, do the child's parents still have much to explain?
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
The only thing I can tell you is the point at which the investigation was in September 2007, in which it is said that the corpse was concealed, that there was an accidental death of the child, and that the disappearance is precisely due to this accidental death.
"The investigation has to know what is the relationship between taking this medicine and the possible death of the child"
Therefore, there is an involvement of the parents – who had responsibility for the custody of the child – in their disappearance. And we're not going any further than that, I don't talk about criminal involvement. I try to be as objective as possible, and more objective is to say that there are indications in the involvement of the mysterious disappearance of the child.
There's strong evidence of a kidnapping crime. We ask, and we keep asking, if it's said there's a real kidnapping why do you simulate a kidnapping? The way forward, not being them to speak, has to be through the reconstitution of the facts with everyone, which after 14 years is still plausible to do.
In this book Gonçalo Amaral explores more deeply the absence of information about the child who disappeared. He says that Portuguese research never had access, for example, to his medical history.
In an investigation into disappearance, child abduction, child abuse, the first thing you need to know is the victim. And this victim, we were never allowed to know her, particularly with such a medical history.
These children were medicated, or given to sleep a medically named Calpol, which is an antihistamine, that put them to sleep. The investigation has to know what is the relationship between taking this medicine and the possible death of the child. And for that we need the clinical history. We need to know if she had a problem.
https://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/pais/2021/10/15/goncalo-amaral-o-medo-da-justica-portuguesa-e-as-mentiras-da-justica-alema-no-caso-maddie/256864/
Sloppy to continue to mix up Calpol and Fenergan.
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What exact do you find hyperbolic about the term “Amaral’s supporters”?
Nothing. It was this rather vulgarly put assertion; "all the people who are busting a gut trying to buy his crappy book"
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Interesting you see apparent "backtracking" as yet "more fantasy from Amaral"!
I don't... His book contains both
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I don't... His book contains both
In your opinion.
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In your opinion.
No it's factual
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Nothing. It was this rather vulgarly put assertion; "all the people who are busting a gut trying to buy his crappy book"
Don’t lie please.
You challenged my post
“Well I'm not on there if that's what you're implying. Strange there are so few Amaral supporters defending their man on there though, what's stopping them all?”
with the following
“Perhaps there's no such thing as 'Amaral supporters'? Not cast in the same mould as 'McCann supporters anyway, imol
I have proven there is such a thing as Amaral supporters. If you want eveidence of these supporters busting a gut to put money in Amaral’s bank account for a book they can’t even read I suggest you wander back to your favourite forum and open your eyes..
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No it's factual
Amaral's book? I certainly thought his first one was factual. He presented the evidence and put forward three main theories. It's no secret that he personally believes the strongest theory, in his opinion, is that this is a case of parental child neglect, accidental death and concealment of a corpse. He seems to agree with the suspicion of Kate McCann that the children may have been drugged. In my opinion he is barking behind the wrong sofa when he makes reference to Calpol. A strange error especially so when drugs that actually were antihistamines were found in 5A.
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Amaral's book? I certainly thought his first one was factual. He presented the evidence and put forward three main theories. It's no secret that he personally believes the strongest theory, in his opinion, is that this is a case of parental child neglect, accidental death and concealment of a corpse. He seems to agree with the suspicion of Kate McCann that the children may have been drugged. In my opinion he is barking behind the wrong sofa when he makes reference to Calpol. A strange error especially so when drugs that actually were antihistamines were found in 5A.
Is he still going on about Calpol? And people wonder why some think he's an idiot.
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I think this forum should be very grateful to Amaral
After all, without him, where would members direct their regulars doses of vitriol?
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Is he still going on about Calpol? And people wonder why some think he's an idiot.
If you read the quote from Bri yes he's still "going on about Calpol" (In my opinion some people would use it to aid sleep - if a baby is teething for example). However he wrongly calls it an antihistamine. What I can't believe he is missing is that it is an antihistamine and not the Calpol that would, if it was used, most likely be a plausible explanation for the twins sleeping through all the commotion. One problem for the supporters of the parents is there is no way an abductor could have woken two or three sleeping toddlers, given them each an antihistamine then wait undetected for it to work whilst the 30 minute listening and toilet trips were going on! Also there is no suggestion that the antihistamines found in 5A belonged to a would be abductor!
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Amaral's book? I certainly thought his first one was factual. He presented the evidence and put forward three main theories. It's no secret that he personally believes the strongest theory, in his opinion, is that this is a case of parental child neglect, accidental death and concealment of a corpse. He seems to agree with the suspicion of Kate McCann that the children may have been drugged. In my opinion he is barking behind the wrong sofa when he makes reference to Calpol. A strange error especially so when drugs that actually were antihistamines were found in 5A.
The first one isn't factual. His whole theory is based on his ignorance of the meaning of the dog alerts. He's an absolute fool imo.. And the evidence supports it
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In my opinion Amaral's attitude is that of a 50 odd year old Portuguese Policeman raised and schooled during The Salazar Era when evidence was of no importance. They picked on a suspect and fitted the crime around what they had decided.
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I think this forum should be very grateful to Amaral
After all, without him, where would members direct their regulars doses of vitriol?
No, the people who members should really be grateful to are the McCanns for "abandoning their babies" - wihout them we would never have had the joy of coming across such kind, thoughtful and forgiving individuals such as yourself.
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They picked on a suspect and fitted the crime around what they had decided.
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Time will judge Wolters in the same vain imo.
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Time will judge Wolters in the same vain imo.
Wolters has got a bit more to go on than Amaral had.
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If you read the quote from Bri yes he's still "going on about Calpol" (In my opinion some people would use it to aid sleep - if a baby is teething for example). However he wrongly calls it an antihistamine. What I can't believe he is missing is that it is an antihistamine and not the Calpol that would, if it was used, most likely be a plausible explanation for the twins sleeping through all the commotion. One problem for the supporters of the parents is there is no way an abductor could have woken two or three sleeping toddlers, given them each an antihistamine then wait undetected for it to work whilst the 30 minute listening and toilet trips were going on! Also there is no suggestion that the antihistamines found in 5A belonged to a would be abductor!
Strangely, the parents didn't mention any concerns about sedation in their first statements on 4th May, despite Kate's concerns about the twins, observed by Fiona Payne. On 5th May, however, they asked the UK liaison officers if they could find out if the PJ had found any evidence "that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm
Perhaps it had only just occured to them that evidence might have been found on 4th, although what type of evidence that could have been is unclear.
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Strangely, the parents didn't mention any concerns about sedation in their first statements on 4th May, despite Kate's concerns about the twins, observed by Fiona Payne. On 5th May, however, they asked the UK liaison officers if they could find out if the PJ had found any evidence "that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm
Perhaps it had only just occured to them that evidence might have been found on 4th, although what type of evidence that could have been is unclear.
kate may well have mentioned sedation but it was not recorded. What seems to have been recorded is answers to specific questions K and G were asked. if you look at the staements parts are almost identical
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Sloppy to continue to mix up Calpol and Fenergan.
You may think so.
I think it is inane and a reflection of the stubborn pig headedness which has driven the fourteen+ years of vile vendetta aimed at Madeleine and her family.
In my opinion any criminal cop who goes to the length of writing two books which are essentially the same to excuse the inept investigation he co-ordinated, is in desperation to obscure the truth.
My impression is that he will do anything to derail the German investigation of Brueckner. It is so important to him that he has broken cover and been caught out in lies in the process - and in the process reveals that the last thing he wants is that the truth of what happened to Madeleine is ever known.
What a worm of a man!
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You may think so.
I think it is inane and a reflection of the stubborn pig headedness which has driven the fourteen+ years of vile vendetta aimed at Madeleine and her family.
In my opinion any criminal cop who goes to the length of writing two books which are essentially the same to excuse the inept investigation he co-ordinated, is in desperation to obscure the truth.
My impression is that he will do anything to derail the German investigation of Brueckner. It is so important to him that he has broken cover and been caught out in lies in the process - and in the process reveals that the last thing he wants is that the truth of what happened to Madeleine is ever known.
What a worm of a man!
I've got a nasty suspicion that he's not listening. There must be a mental health definition for this.
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I've got a nasty suspicion that he's not listening. There must be a mental health definition for this.
I don't blame the man for his affliction. Quite obviously he can't help it which is proved by his obsessions only one of which concerns the ridiculousness that he still seems to be unaware that Calpol is not a sedative - it is an analgesic.
If his supporters are aware of that - perhaps it is way past time for them to inform him of that.
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I don't blame the man for his affliction. Quite obviously he can't help it which is proved by his obsessions only one of which concerns the ridiculousness that he still seems to be unaware that Calpol is not a sedative - it is an analgesic.
If his supporters are aware of that - perhaps it is way past time for them to inform him of that.
Do you really think his supporters care about factual accuracy when it comes to anything he says or writes? Of course not! As long as he’s still spouting the same “parents dunnit “ mantra he can do no wrong in their eyes.
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Doesn't he have to have evidence?
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The first one isn't factual. His whole theory is based on his ignorance of the meaning of the dog alerts. He's an absolute fool imo.. And the evidence supports it
What do the dog alerts mean to you? Do you believe Eddie was barking at the presence of blood and not cadaverine? Also, you should cut Amaral a bit of slack. Wasn't it some British officers who reportedly told him "we'd have brought people in for less"? In addition he was somewhat misled, imo, with the earliest reports from the FSS.... I believe he got the impression initially that some of the results were more conclusive than the later report.... Remember: Q - "Could this be Madeleine's DNA?"... A - "the short answer is yes"..... ?
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Wolters has got a bit more to go on than Amaral had.
I'd say he's got far less.
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What do the dog alerts mean to you? Do you believe Eddie was barking at the presence of blood and not cadaverine? Also, you should cut Amaral a bit of slack. Wasn't it some British officers who reportedly told him "we'd have brought people in for less"? In addition he was somewhat misled, imo, with the earliest reports from the FSS.... I believe he got the impression initially that some of the results were more conclusive than the later report.... Remember: Q - "Could this be Madeleine's DNA?"... A - "the short answer is yes"..... ?
What was the long answer?
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What do the dog alerts mean to you? Do you believe Eddie was barking at the presence of blood and not cadaverine? Also, you should cut Amaral a bit of slack. Wasn't it some British officers who reportedly told him "we'd have brought people in for less"? In addition he was somewhat misled, imo, with the earliest reports from the FSS.... I believe he got the impression initially that some of the results were more conclusive than the later report.... Remember: Q - "Could this be Madeleine's DNA?"... A - "the short answer is yes"..... ?
have you read amarals book...there is some absolute rubbish in there.
I dont know what Eddie alerted to ...i dont think anyone does but what i know is taht amaral was wrong.
amaral claimed the alerts CONFIRMED the pat presence of abody in 5a. That is not true....do you understand that, So amaral iswrong on that point amd tahts what his theory is based on.
The only reports for what you have posted are from amaral and I dont trust aword he says..because of the above and what comes next.
Amaral claimed there was an initial report from the FSS....i think thats another one of his mistakes. According to a report in Netflix aamaral and the PJ only read the first papargraph where it said the sample had 15 out of 19 markers..he didnt raed the rest...total idiot. From what i can see amaral is totally incompetent and when Wolters reveals his evidence amaral will be proved to be a total fool
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I'd say he's got far less.
The McCanns have never so much as been arrested let alone convicted of Rape and Paedophilia.
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I'd say he's got far less.
Most sceptics cant beleive Wolters because it would mean.amaral...the dogs and grime are wrong. I think you fall into that group. Wolters has the evidence taht will show just how wrong tehy all were...imo
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The McCanns have never so much as been arrested let alone convicted of Rape and Paedophilia.
Has it ever been suggested they should have been ?
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The McCanns have never so much as been arrested let alone convicted of Rape and Paedophilia.
Or even of lying as has the author of “Enough Of the Lies”. Ironic innit.
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Has it ever been suggested they should have been ?
yes.
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Has it ever been suggested they should have been ?
Are you being serious?
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Are you being serious?
I just wondered why you should mention something that has never happened .
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I just wondered why you should mention something that has never happened .
You could try following the conversation.
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You could try following the conversation.
I take each post as it is presented.
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Do you really think his supporters care about factual accuracy when it comes to anything he says or writes? Of course not! As long as he’s still spouting the same “parents dunnit “ mantra he can do no wrong in their eyes.
I think Amaral continues signalling severe psychosis with every interview he gives. What motivates his supporters to encourage him in this is certainly a strange one to fathom.
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What was the long answer?
That the result was "inconclusive" . 15 of Madeleine's DNA markers were identified in some samples, but there were at least two other contributors (I wonder who?).... Science moves on... and we already have Dr Purlin claim he can make sense of the raw data if allowed to examine the results.
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have you read amarals book...there is some absolute rubbish in there.
I dont know what Eddie alerted to ...i dont think anyone does but what i know is taht amaral was wrong.
amaral claimed the alerts CONFIRMED the pat presence of abody in 5a. That is not true....do you understand that, So amaral iswrong on that point amd tahts what his theory is based on.
The only reports for what you have posted are from amaral and I dont trust aword he says..because of the above and what comes next.
Amaral claimed there was an initial report from the FSS....i think thats another one of his mistakes. According to a report in Netflix aamaral and the PJ only read the first papargraph where it said the sample had 15 out of 19 markers..he didnt raed the rest...total idiot. From what i can see amaral is totally incompetent and when Wolters reveals his evidence amaral will be proved to be a total fool
I've read his book twice and watched the video. I think he gets closer to an answer than OG ever did, in my opinion. I'm sure I didn't agree with all his book, but I don't recall anything standing out as "fantasy". As for the dog alerts I think it is fanciful to suggest that Eddie was not alerting to what he's been trained to alert to. Furthermore Keela also alerted in some of the same areas and as we know forensic evidence (blood, in my opinion) was collected and examined by the FSS. As you know the results were "inconclusive", but Eddie and Keela certainly did what they are trained to do.
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I've read his book twice and watched the video. I think he gets closer to an answer than OG ever did, in my opinion. I'm sure I didn't agree with all his book, but I don't recall anything standing out as "fantasy". As for the dog alerts I think it is fanciful to suggest that Eddie was not alerting to what he's been trained to alert to. Furthermore Keela also alerted in some of the same areas and as we know forensic evidence (blood, in my opinion) was collected and examined by the FSS. As you know the results were "inconclusive", but Eddie and Keela certainly did what they are trained to do.
So you agree with Amaral that the alerts confirm a death in 5a That's, fantasy.
Amarals claims are not based on evidence... If you think hes right you are, sadly mistsken. Imo
I think the Germans have evidence thst make the alerts and dna totally irrelevant ...same goes for the dogs.
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That the result was "inconclusive" . 15 of Madeleine's DNA markers were identified in some samples, but there were at least two other contributors (I wonder who?).... Science moves on... and we already have Dr Purlin claim he can make sense of the raw data if allowed to examine the results.
Didn’t the scientists say the sample could as well as coming from Madeleine also have come from most of the people in the lab?
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I've read his book twice and watched the video. I think he gets closer to an answer than OG ever did, in my opinion. I'm sure I didn't agree with all his book, but I don't recall anything standing out as "fantasy". As for the dog alerts I think it is fanciful to suggest that Eddie was not alerting to what he's been trained to alert to. Furthermore Keela also alerted in some of the same areas and as we know forensic evidence (blood, in my opinion) was collected and examined by the FSS. As you know the results were "inconclusive", but Eddie and Keela certainly did what they are trained to do.
So how do you think Madeleine died?
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So you agree with Amaral that the alerts confirm a death in 5a That's, fantasy.
Amarals claims are not based on evidence... If you think hes right you are, sadly mistsken. Imo
I think the Germans have evidence thst make the alerts and dna totally irrelevant ...same goes for the dogs.
The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.
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The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.
So even if it’s proven that CB abducted Madeleine McCann alive from her bedroom, it would be fanciful and unscientific to suggest that the dogs were wrong?
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The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.
I'm sure you are wrong about the Germans.. The latest from. Wolyers is he has enough to charge but he thinks he can find more so is in no rush.
As for the dogs I'm a total sceptic. There's no doubt they csn find cadavers but imo.. Bssed on s lot of reading... I think Grime called alert when there was none.. Repeatedly calling the dogs back to encourage an slert.
It was actually Harrison who came up with the idea of the alerrtd as intelligence I'm 2005 and grime eas helping develop it. Grime hoped to make money out of using the alerts as intelligence.. He hoped to launch a business but it didn't seem to catch on
I don't accept the reason fir the alerts has been established.. No proof at all
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The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.
Thankfully I have never been through anything approaching the trauma suffered by the parents of a missing child.
You have taken it upon yourself to make comparison between an investigation such as the German one seeking to solve Madeleine's fate and the Portuguese one which abrogated the responsibility of looking for a missing child to concentrate all efforts on prosecuting the parents instead.
So obsessive has this notion become that fourteen+ years after the event the case coordinator continues with yet another book insisting on his idea of events - despite a there being not a shred of supporting evidence.
"Maddie: Basta de Mentiras!" is Gonçalo Amaral's latest book about the disappearance of the English girl in Praia da Luz in May 2007. Former PJ inspector continues to suspect the involvement of parents in the case.
https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/atualidade-nacional/artigos/goncalo-amaral-lanca-livro-sobre-maddie-vao-acusar-o-homem-sem-provas-diz-sobre-christian-b
"Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation?"
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The Germans appear to have nothing but circumstantial evidence. Can you imagine how the parents must be feeling about this situation (should it be true)? It's been over a year of the German Prosecutor claiming CB killed Madeleine and still no charges. How long are you going to give them? The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found.
The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. - You haven't a clue what the 'alerts' signified.
Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. - who apart from you claim that the dogs alerted randomly? and what do you think is "unscientific" about opinion on dog alerts?
The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found. - was any forensic evidence recovered which indicated Madeleine had been killed either as the result of an accident or as a result of foul play
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Didn’t the scientists say the sample could as well as coming from Madeleine also have come from most of the people in the lab?
Yes with one sample because it contained DNA from at least three people. Dr Purlin has offered to make sense of the data. He believes he can separate out the three (or more) contributors. I would hope anyone with an interest in this case would like to see that happen.
So do you believe Eddie was always alerting to blood and not cadaverine?
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So how do you think Madeleine died?
Like everyone else I have no idea. There are a number of possibilities including an accidental fall onto a hard surface.
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So even if it’s proven that CB abducted Madeleine McCann alive from her bedroom, it would be fanciful and unscientific to suggest that the dogs were wrong?
In that scenario there would be a forensic and scientific reason for the alerts. It wouldn't be the case that the alerts were to dirty nappies or rotten cooked meat, for example.
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The alerts were either to cadaverine or to blood. - You haven't a clue what the 'alerts' signified.
Given the efficacy of dog alerts it's fanciful and unscientific to suggest both dogs were alerting randomly. - who apart from you claim that the dogs alerted randomly? and what do you think is "unscientific" about opinion on dog alerts?
The facts are that in areas where both Eddie and then Keela alerted forensic evidence WAS found. - was any forensic evidence recovered which indicated Madeleine had been killed either as the result of an accident or as a result of foul play
Peer reviewed forensic science research (previously linked on this forum) reports that cadaver dogs have an efficacy of detecting cadaver odour of at least 92%. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaverine and human blood. I believe it is reasonable to suggest that is what they were alerting to in the apartment. Furthermore we know that samples were collected where the dogs alerted.
The British FSS stated the results were "inconclusive" as to whether the DNA collected from areas where the dogs alerted could be attributed to Madeleine McCann.
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A reminder to all members to keep responses relevant and convivial at all times. We have new members joining all the time who are looking for constructive conversation so please let's not let them down.
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Like everyone else I have no idea. There are a number of possibilities including an accidental fall onto a hard surface.
No, the possibilities are surely limited to something which caused her to bleed significantly surely, if you're convinced the dog alerted to her blood? So, not drowning, not electrocution, not accidental overdose, not strangulation, etc/.
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No, the possibilities are surely limited to something which caused her to bleed significantly surely, if you're convinced the dog alerted to her blood? So, not drowning, not electrocution, not accidental overdose, not strangulation, etc/.
How much blood is required for a dog to alert to ?
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Yes with one sample because it contained DNA from at least three people. Dr Purlin has offered to make sense of the data. He believes he can separate out the three (or more) contributors. I would hope anyone with an interest in this case would like to see that happen.
So do you believe Eddie was always alerting to blood and not cadaverine?
Who knows? It could have been blood, it could have been cadaverine, it could have been both, it could have been neither. If it was blood it could have been Madeleine's or it could have been someone else's. If it was cadaverine it could have been Madeleine's or it could have had another source entirely, it could have been pig, it could have been planted by a Pig, loads of possibilities...
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How much blood is required for a dog to alert to ?
Obviously a significant amount or they'd have alerted in every apartment IMO. Unless the only apartment anyone ever cut themselves shaving or had a nosebleed in was Apartment 5a.
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Peer reviewed forensic science research (previously linked on this forum) reports that cadaver dogs have an efficacy of detecting cadaver odour of at least 92%. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaverine and human blood. I believe it is reasonable to suggest that is what they were alerting to in the apartment. Furthermore we know that samples were collected where the dogs alerted.
The British FSS stated the results were "inconclusive" as to whether the DNA collected from areas where the dogs alerted could be attributed to Madeleine McCann.
I don't think it's reasonable at all. Even grime doesn't say what you propose.
Grime obviously directs the dogs and with all things McCann he directed noticibly more.
Eddie reacted to a ciconut she'll that grime was told was a childs skull. To check the accuracy of the dog the cocoonut was moved to a different location.. And. Once again Eddie alerted to the coconut
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Peer reviewed forensic science research (previously linked on this forum) reports that cadaver dogs have an efficacy of detecting cadaver odour of at least 92%. The dogs are trained to alert to cadaverine and human blood. I believe it is reasonable to suggest that is what they were alerting to in the apartment. Furthermore we know that samples were collected where the dogs alerted.
The British FSS stated the results were "inconclusive" as to whether the DNA collected from areas where the dogs alerted could be attributed to Madeleine McCann.
But Eddie wasn't a primarily trained Cadaver Dog. So God knows what he was alerting to.
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I don't think it's reasonable at all. Even grime doesn't say what you propose.
Grime obviously directs the dogs and with all things McCann he directed noticibly more.
Eddie reacted to a ciconut she'll that grime was told was a childs skull. To check the accuracy of the dog the cocoonut was moved to a different location.. And. Once again Eddie alerted to the coconut
Are you aware of the claims that the Oxford lab reported on the presence of collagen in that famous sample JAR/6? There is, of course, no collagen in coconut. I can not say if these reports are correct. I certainly would not be surprised if there were the remains of children at HDLG. Terrible abuse took place there, in my opinion.
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Are you aware of the claims that the Oxford lab reported on the presence of collagen in that famous sample JAR/6? There is, of course, no collagen in coconut. I can not say if these reports are correct. I certainly would not be surprised if there were the remains of children at HDLG. Terrible abuse took place there, in my opinion.
I'm aware of that report and it's been discussed many times and shown to be bogus... You are believing too much sceptic propaganda
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I'm aware of that report and it's been discussed many times and shown to be bogus... You are believing too much sceptic propaganda
Have you got a link to an academic or scientific report that shows the collagen claim is bogus?
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Call me a conspiracist if you like, but I have observed on numerous occasions that when government bodies and the like are involved, 'things' like missing reports, non-functioning cameras, etc occur that just happen to be remarkably politically convenient at the time.
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Have you got a link to an academic or scientific report that shows the collagen claim is bogus?
The claim was as far as I know made up.. Kew Gardens I understand identified it ss wood.. Probably coconut.
Where does the claim Re collagen come from.. What's it's source
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The claim was as far as I know made up.. Kew Gardens I understand identified it ss wood.. Probably coconut.
Where does the claim Re collagen come from.. What's it's source
Do you have a link for that information.
The presence of collagen (1.6%) reportedly was confirmed in an email from Ms. Brock in the lab (I believe the lab was in Sheffield University, but I may be wrong) to her Forensic Manager, Miss Vicky Coupland. It reportedly states; "Hi Vicky. Here are the details of the Jersey skull as discussed on the phone earlier. As I said, the chemistry of this bone is extremely unusual – nothing I am familiar with.
During the first acid washes we often get a lot of fizzing as the mineral dissolves. The Jersey skull didn’t fizz at all, which suggested that preservation was poor, and which led me to test the nitrogen content of the bone.
The Jersey skull had 0.60 nitrogen, which suggested that it contained virtually no collagen. Once we had this result, Tom phoned you and told you it would be unlikely that we could date the sample, but that we would continue with the pre-treatment just in case.
Very surprisingly, the sample yielded 1.6% collagen (our cut off for dating is 1%).
As there is no nitrogen it cannot contain collagen unless it is highly degraded. The chances are it is highly contaminated and any date we get for it might not be accurate. I have e-mailed the director and asked if we should proceed with a date."
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Do you have a link for that information.
The presence of collagen (1.6%) reportedly was confirmed in an email from Ms. Brock in the lab (I believe the lab was in Sheffield University, but I may be wrong) to her Forensic Manager, Miss Vicky Coupland. It reportedly states; "Hi Vicky. Here are the details of the Jersey skull as discussed on the phone earlier. As I said, the chemistry of this bone is extremely unusual – nothing I am familiar with.
During the first acid washes we often get a lot of fizzing as the mineral dissolves. The Jersey skull didn’t fizz at all, which suggested that preservation was poor, and which led me to test the nitrogen content of the bone.
The Jersey skull had 0.60 nitrogen, which suggested that it contained virtually no collagen. Once we had this result, Tom phoned you and told you it would be unlikely that we could date the sample, but that we would continue with the pre-treatment just in case.
Very surprisingly, the sample yielded 1.6% collagen (our cut off for dating is 1%).
As there is no nitrogen it cannot contain collagen unless it is highly degraded. The chances are it is highly contaminated and any date we get for it might not be accurate. I have e-mailed the director and asked if we should proceed with a date."
Again.. Where is, this from.. Afaiac it's, made up.. Where is, the, source for this
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Odd that the Portuguese translator has been busy translating new newspaper articles about the Portuguese/German investigation into Brueckner but hasn’t yet managed to cough up a few of the more revealing / interesting paragraphs from Amaral’s latest magnum opus. I wonder why not…? Perhaps there aren’t any…?
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Odd that the Portuguese translator has been busy translating new newspaper articles about the Portuguese/German investigation into Brueckner but hasn’t yet managed to cough up a few of the more revealing / interesting paragraphs from Amaral’s latest magnum opus. I wonder why not…? Perhaps there aren’t any…?
Is it in the Best Sellers list yet?
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Is it in the Best Sellers list yet?
I don’t know. Probably though the excitement about it seems to have waned very rapidly.
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It's clearly backtracking because in his first book he claimed it was confirmed Maddie died in the apartment... He's not claiming that now
Not quite a volte face, but a very clear change of direction. He's released the book now to garner as many sales as possible prior to CB being charged in the next 6-8 weeks. He's probably received an advance from the publisher, so at least he gets paid prior to the public shaming that is about to come.
In my opinion.
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Not quite a volte face, but a very clear change of direction. He's released the book now to garner as many sales as possible prior to CB being charged in the next 6-8 weeks. He's probably received an advance from the publisher, so at least he gets paid prior to the public shaming that is about to come.
In my opinion.
I think that's a pretty good summary of the situation
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Not quite a volte face, but a very clear change of direction. He's released the book now to garner as many sales as possible prior to CB being charged in the next 6-8 weeks. He's probably received an advance from the publisher, so at least he gets paid prior to the public shaming that is about to come.
In my opinion.
You got inside information ?
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You got inside information ?
Yes, the guy said 'prior to Christmas', or words to that effect.
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Yes, the guy said 'prior to Christmas', or words to that effect.
That was a reporter.
Wolters said it wouldn't be this year.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-christian-brueckner-murder-b1935250.html
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I think that's a pretty good summary of the situation
Thanks. I mean, let's see what happens, but I expect Amaral to crash and burn as soon as CB's charged.
Fair play to him, he's stuck to his guns all the way (having said that, he's had to double down in the face of litigation), but at some point he's going to have to admit he was wrong - maybe this is merely a prelude.
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Thanks. I mean, let's see what happens, but I expect Amaral to crash and burn as soon as CB's charged.
Fair play to him, he's stuck to his guns all the way (having said that, he's had to double down in the face of litigation), but at some point he's going to have to admit he was wrong - maybe this is merely a prelude.
I think the man will go to his grave protesting the culpability of everyone but himself. He will never admit how wrong he has been all along.
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Thanks. I mean, let's see what happens, but I expect Amaral to crash and burn as soon as CB's charged.
Fair play to him, he's stuck to his guns all the way (having said that, he's had to double down in the face of litigation), but at some point he's going to have to admit he was wrong - maybe this is merely a prelude.
I think he's been astute enough to assess the Portuguese and German authorities would join forces ....little did we know how soon after his book was on sale ...but crash and burn no . He knows far more about how the means justify the end than us and will probably maintain his assertion regardless . IMO .
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I think he's been astute enough to assess the Portuguese and German authorities would join forces ....little did we know how soon after his book was on sale ...but crash and burn no . He knows far more about how the means justify the end than us and will probably maintain his assertion regardless . IMO .
I think it's clear he knows nothing of any importance...
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I think he's been astute enough to assess the Portuguese and German authorities would join forces ....little did we know how soon after his book was on sale ...but crash and burn no . He knows far more about how the means justify the end than us and will probably maintain his assertion regardless . IMO .
Astute or simply tipped off by one of his indiscreet mates in the PJ?
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I think the man will go to his grave protesting the culpability of everyone but himself. He will never admit how wrong he has been all along.
Does anyone really care anymore? Only Fools and Horses will care. Most other people think that Amaral is a very sad article.
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Thanks. I mean, let's see what happens, but I expect Amaral to crash and burn as soon as CB's charged.
Fair play to him, he's stuck to his guns all the way (having said that, he's had to double down in the face of litigation), but at some point he's going to have to admit he was wrong - maybe this is merely a prelude.
Really? What Litigation? And what makes you think that Christian Breuckner will be charged?
I smell something nasty. But that's just me. I am sometime a very suspicious person.
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I think he's been astute enough to assess the Portuguese and German authorities would join forces ....little did we know how soon after his book was on sale ...but crash and burn no . He knows far more about how the means justify the end than us and will probably maintain his assertion regardless . IMO .
The means never justify the ends, unless you believe that anything will do.
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Really? What Litigation? And what makes you think that Christian Breuckner will be charged?
I smell something nasty. But that's just me. I am sometime a very suspicious person.
Not often we agree, 8((()*/
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Not often we agree, 8((()*/
Quellque Fois?
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Does anyone really care anymore? Only Fools and Horses will care. Most other people think that Amaral is a very sad article.
I think he is a busted flush. I also think he has propelled himself back to the forefront of Madeleine's case in a manner which must be officially questioned.
The book which says nothing he hasn't stated a thousand times before also raises questions about him.- Was it a drink at the last chance saloon of opportunism to line his pockets at Madeleine's expense?
- Was it something deeper and darker as epitomised by his efforts to disrupt the German investigation?
- ensuring the release of the identity of the suspect in the case
- introducing lies about the appearance of Brueckner's Westfalia
- introducing lies about Brueckner's physical appearance in 2007 disproved by video footage
I think Amaral has had a very good run in the Portuguese media; but I think that may be about to end rather abruptly just as I think his little pension pot of "Maddie Basta de Mentiras" will be his last book in like vein as his remaining audience - or perhaps the investigators - see him for what he is.
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I think he is a busted flush. I also think he has propelled himself back to the forefront of Madeleine's case in a manner which must be officially questioned.
The book which says nothing he hasn't stated a thousand times before also raises questions about him.- Was it a drink at the last chance saloon of opportunism to line his pockets at Madeleine's expense?
- Was it something deeper and darker as epitomised by his efforts to disrupt the German investigation?
- ensuring the release of the identity of the suspect in the case
- introducing lies about the appearance of Brueckner's Westfalia
- introducing lies about Brueckner's physical appearance in 2007 disproved by video footage
I think Amaral has had a very good run in the Portuguese media; but I think that may be about to end rather abruptly just as I think his little pension pot of "Maddie Basta de Mentiras" will be his last book in like vein as his remaining audience - or perhaps the investigators - see him for what he is.
Does anyone care? (except you, obviously)
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Does anyone care? (except you, obviously)
Your posts reeks of desperation and denial. Of course people care. It will be proved he has spouted lies for years..
All those who've claimed he hasn't been proved wrong... All those who see him as a brilliant detective rather than the fool he would proved to be
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I think we are only talking about a handful of people - whichever side of the Amaral divide they fall.
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Your posts reeks of desperation and denial. Of course people care. It will be proved he has spouted lies for years..
All those who've claimed he hasn't been proved wrong... All those who see him as a brilliant detective rather than the fool he would proved to be
I don't see it that way. I don't think it's lies, it's delusion and hubris.
He may still claim vindication if a. there is no trial or b. there is a trial but he receives a 'not guity / not proven'.
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I think we are only talking about a handful of people - whichever side of the Amaral divide they fall.
In the great scheme of things, you're right. If we were to conduct a vox pops on the streets of Buxton, Basingstoke or Brixton, I doubt no more than a couple of percent would know who he was, even if they were shown a photo.
He's probably quite (in)famous, comparatively speaking, in Portugal, however.
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In the great scheme of things, you're right. If we were to conduct a vox pops on the streets of Buxton, Basingstoke or Brixton, I doubt no more than a couple of percent would know who he was, even if they were shown a photo.
He's probably quite (in)famous, comparatively speaking, in Portugal, however.
He probably is, but even there I don't think many are really interested in his antics.
Like the rest of the real world, people have much greater issues to deal with and think about.
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Your posts reeks of desperation and denial. Of course people care. It will be proved he has spouted lies for years..
All those who've claimed he hasn't been proved wrong... All those who see him as a brilliant detective rather than the fool he would proved to be
Brueckner is innocent.
Just in case you needed reminding.
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He probably is, but even there I don't think many are really interested in his antics.
Like the rest of the real world, people have much greater issues to deal with and think about.
Agreed.
Imagine if CB doesn't get charged or is found not guilty.....Amaral's stock will rise, but still not enough to create a ripple in the great scheme of things. He's a non-entity; a footnote. All of the peripheral characters' profiles will fade over the passage of time. Some will be judged, labelled and consigned to the dusty shelf of obscurity. Amaral will be fleetingly remembered as a relic whose own hubris exponentially exceeded his competence; a product of a post Estado Novo quasi-police state - so perhaps it's not surprising he dogmatically clung to the one line of enquiry that depended on vilifying foreigners.
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Brueckner is innocent.
Just in case you needed reminding.
Well he hasn't even been questioned, as far as we are aware, so legally that's a given. I'm equally, de facto innocent.
Honest.
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Does anyone care? (except you, obviously)
Quite obviously ~ you are another 😁
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Does anyone care? (except you, obviously)
Everyone still posting about this case 14 years later cares one way or the other, whether you care to admit it or not. We have all invested a huge number of hours in this case and pretending that you don't care how it all pans out for a man for you seem to agree with and for whom you appear to have a certain amount of respect for is not fooling anyone
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Well he hasn't even been questioned, as far as we are aware, so legally that's a given. I'm equally, de facto innocent.
Honest.
Does being questioned somehow make someone less innocent?
If that's the case then Brueckner is more innocent than the McCanns.
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Your posts reeks of desperation and denial. Of course people care. It will be proved he has spouted lies for years..
All those who've claimed he hasn't been proved wrong... All those who see him as a brilliant detective rather than the fool he would proved to be
Why would I be despairing or need to deny anything? I agree with Amaral that there were questions arising about the holiday group's timeline and other aspects of their statements, I accept that his thesis of accidental death hasn't been proved wrong, I was pleased that he was allowed to express his opinions on the case without being made destitute and I don't think he is a fool. None of that means that I think he was a brilliant detective, that I agree with everything he's said and done, or that I care if he's proved wrong.
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Does being questioned somehow make someone less innocent?
If that's the case then Brueckner is more innocent than the McCanns.
Unlike in Portugal, German law enforcers seem to be able to name someone as a prime suspect without offering them the legal protection Portuguese law allows it's arguidos.
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I don't see it that way. I don't think it's lies, it's delusion and hubris.
He may still claim vindication if a. there is no trial or b. there is a trial but he receives a 'not guity / not proven'.
As long as Amaral has an audience he will continue with his obsession which I think is one big lie from start to finish.
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Why would I be despairing or need to deny anything? I agree with Amaral that there were questions arising about the holiday group's timeline and other aspects of their statements, I accept that his thesis of accidental death hasn't been proved wrong, I was pleased that he was allowed to express his opinions on the case without being made destitute and I don't think he is a fool. None of that means that I think he was a brilliant detective, that I agree with everything he's said and done, or that I care if he's proved wrong.
are you aware that in his latest interview he denies having a thesis..probably not. Your claim taht his thesis hasnt been proved wrong is totally laughable ...neither have every other crackpot theory. What you show is taht you cannot see what a total incompetent fool he was and that questions your judgement enormously..imo
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Unlike in Portugal, German law enforcers seem to be able to name someone as a prime suspect without offering them the legal protection Portuguese law allows it's arguidos.
German Law enforces the law regarding anonymity of suspects.
Portuguese citizens apparently consider themselves exempt from that - as they consider interfering in an ongoing case superfluous to requirements.
It seems leaking information to the media is a practice which dies hard in Portugal - just as the protection of arguidos from corrupt officers telling lies about them to the press is perfectly acceptable by Portuguese standards.
Haven't you been following what is going on in this case ... it would seem not.
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Does being questioned somehow make someone less innocent?
If that's the case then Brueckner is more innocent than the McCanns.
No. Legal proceedings haven't even started, so technically he's legally innocent until proven otherwise, as you stated.
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As long as Amaral has an audience he will continue with his obsession which I think is one big lie from start to finish.
That's life.
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No. Legal proceedings haven't even started, so technically he's legally innocent until proven otherwise, as you stated.
Yes... Just like that Greek pilot who murdered his wife
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are you aware that in his latest interview he denies having a thesis..probably not. Your claim taht his thesis hasnt been proved wrong is totally laughable ...neither have every other crackpot theory. What you show is taht you cannot see what a total incompetent fool he was and that questions your judgement enormously..imo
He denies having a thesis about what? He clearly stated his thesis in his book The Truth of the Lie. Suggesting that a mobile child died accidentally isn't a crackpot theory. As for my judgement - I think it's ironic that the person questioning it is happy to accept that evidence they haven't seen exists and is relevant, let alone concrete.
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He denies having a thesis about what? He clearly stated his thesis in his book The Truth of the Lie. Suggesting that a mobile child died accidentally isn't a crackpot theory. As for my judgement - I think it's ironic that the person questioning it is happy to accept that evidence they haven't seen exists and is relevant, let alone concrete.
Amaral insists that Brueckner will be charged and brought to trial without evidence ~ which is absolute rubbish particularly emanating from a person who is not privy to the German investigation ~ but who has written a book about it.
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Brueckner is innocent.
Just in case you needed reminding.
Yes, innocent like Ali Harbi Ali.
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Why would I be despairing or need to deny anything? I agree with Amaral that there were questions arising about the holiday group's timeline and other aspects of their statements, I accept that his thesis of accidental death hasn't been proved wrong, I was pleased that he was allowed to express his opinions on the case without being made destitute and I don't think he is a fool. None of that means that I think he was a brilliant detective, that I agree with everything he's said and done, or that I care if he's proved wrong.
you don't care if it's proved Madeleine was abducted? Oh but I think that would bother you greatly because it would IMO call into question your ability to think and reason logically and assess the evidence.
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He denies having a thesis about what? He clearly stated his thesis in his book The Truth of the Lie. Suggesting that a mobile child died accidentally isn't a crackpot theory. As for my judgement - I think it's ironic that the person questioning it is happy to accept that evidence they haven't seen exists and is relevant, let alone concrete.
his "thesis" is Madelein had an overdose of Calpol and fell off the sofa to her near instant death. That is crackpot in most people's book IMO.
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Yes, innocent like Ali Harbi Ali.
He's been charged with murder, there are witnesses to him carrying out a murder & there's evidence he's a murderer.
None of that is true about Brueckner.
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He's been charged with murder, there are witnesses to him carrying out a murder & there's evidence he's a murderer.
None of that is true about Brueckner.
He's still innocent though isn't he?
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He's still innocent though isn't he?
Yes, but not as innocent as Brueckner.
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He denies having a thesis about what? He clearly stated his thesis in his book The Truth of the Lie. Suggesting that a mobile child died accidentally isn't a crackpot theory. As for my judgement - I think it's ironic that the person questioning it is happy to accept that evidence they haven't seen exists and is relevant, let alone concrete.
He now says he has no thesis...he's backtracking as I've said for some time but you refused to accept it. The idea is crackpot.. Sedated by calpol and fell off the sofa... Absolutely crackpot.
I think it's highly unlikely Wolters is lying... I think that's a crackpot idea too... So if he's not lying.... Then he has the evidence to shut amaral and sceptics up for good
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He now says he has no thesis...he's backtracking as I've said for some time but you refused to accept it. The idea is crackpot.. Sedated by calpol and fell off the sofa... Absolutely crackpot.
I think it's highly unlikely Wolters is lying... I think that's a crackpot idea too... So if he's not lying.... Then he has the evidence to shut amaral and sceptics up for good
Shouldn't be much longer now.
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Shouldn't be much longer now.
But not before 2022 - and no promises even for then.
Then there's the question of what he might be charged with? Madeleine-related or not ?
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you don't care if it's proved Madeleine was abducted? Oh but I think that would bother you greatly because it would IMO call into question your ability to think and reason logically and assess the evidence.
You can think what you like, it doesn't mean you're right.
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Yes, but not as innocent as Brueckner.
How much in percentage terms then?
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You can think what you like, it doesn't mean you're right.
I think we both know I'm right. 8(>((
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How much in percentage terms then?
Between 60 to 80 percent.
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But not before 2022 - and no promises even for then.
Then there's the question of what he might be charged with? Madeleine-related or not ?
I'm not sure when they will get round to dealing with Madeleine's case. It is my understanding there are a few cases including Madeleine's in the queue to be dealt with.
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I think we both know I'm right. 8(>((
I think you are doing what you always do; assuming.
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What a laugh. Rinse and Repeat.
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I think you are doing what you always do; assuming.
One can assume something and also be 100% correct - time will tell how much you “don’t care” if and when Bruckner is charged and exactly how right I am.. What would it say about your ability to think logically and to assess evidence if Bruckner is found guilty?
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One can assume something and also be 100% correct - time will tell how much you “don’t care” if and when Bruckner is charged and exactly how right I am.. What would it say about your ability to think logically and to assess evidence if Bruckner is found guilty?
And speculating. Some people are going to look rather sheepish if Brueckner is never charged.
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And speculating. Some people are going to look rather sheepish if Brueckner is never charged.
But I won’t be one of them and you are incapable of answering a straight question.
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And speculating. Some people are going to look rather sheepish if Brueckner is never charged.
Sick as a parrot comes to mind.
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And speculating. Some people are going to look rather sheepish if Brueckner is never charged.
and some including Amaral..Mark S,,P brown....all on CMOMM...Grime and his dogs...all the sceptics are going to to look more tahn abit silly if wolters does have this evidence....which i think its clear he has.
All those professionals out thought by none professionals
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and some including Amaral..Mark S,,P brown....all on CMOMM...Grime and his dogs...all the sceptics are going to to look more tahn abit silly if wolters does have this evidence....which i think its clear he has.
All those professionals out thought by none professionals
Can you imagine any of these people, including G-Unit admitting that they spent the last 14 years barking up the wrong tree? Nope. Me neither. Brückner could be handed a life sentence and they will still persist in their belief that they are right.
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Can you imagine any of these people, including G-Unit admitting that they spent the last 14 years barking up the wrong tree? Nope. Me neither. Brückner could be handed a life sentence and they will still persist in their belief that they are right.
That's because he didn't do it.
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That's because he didn't do it.
Let’s face it, there’s literally that would convince you he did it, not even video footage of him doing it and a full confession.
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Can you imagine any of these people, including G-Unit admitting that they spent the last 14 years barking up the wrong tree? Nope. Me neither. Brückner could be handed a life sentence and they will still persist in their belief that they are right.
Petermsc has started and is following the amaral line. Whatever the evidence Wolters has the prosecution will have to show ecsctly hoe the abduction took place. If they don't do this then it seems the verdict won't be safe.
Didn't police have to pass any kind of intelligence test in his, day.....
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Let’s face it, there’s literally that would convince you he did it, not even video footage of him doing it and a full confession.
You're right, the video & confession would only be fake, because he didn't do it.
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You're right, the video & confession would only be fake, because he didn't do it.
Exactly, and I’m sure many other sceptics would be equally, muleishly restitant to facing reality.
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Petermsc has started and is following the amaral line. Whatever the evidence Wolters has the prosecution will have to show ecsctly hoe the abduction took place. If they don't do this then it seems the verdict won't be safe.
Didn't police have to pass any kind of intelligence test in his, day.....
I’ve heard this straw clutching theory before, numpties.
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Exactly, and I’m sure many other sceptics would be equally, muleishly restitant to facing reality.
Yes, let's face reality.
The reality is Brueckner is innocent.
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Yes, let's face reality.
The reality is Brueckner is innocent.
He’s a rapist, thief and paedohpile who may or may not have abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann. Three police forces think he is likely involved, you don’t. I know whose opinion I take more seriously and here’s a clue:: it’s not yours.
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He’s a rapist, thief and paedohpile who may or may not have abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann. Three police forces think he is likely involved, you don’t. I know whose opinion I take more seriously and here’s a clue:: it’s not yours.
Well I hate to have to break it to you, but he's innocent.
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He’s a rapist, thief and paedohpile
That's what makes him an ideal patsy, in my opinion.
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his "thesis" is Madelein had an overdose of Calpol and fell off the sofa to her near instant death. That is crackpot in most people's book IMO.
IMO he's wrong about Calpol. He went down that rabbit hole because of a comment by Madeleine's Grandfather, reportedly.
If a sedative was given to the children then I would put money on it being the Fenergan (found in apartment 5A) and known by doctors to keep the kids quiet on long car journeys. As it's an antihistamine you could if questioned say rather unconvincingly "we did not give the kids any sedative drugs". I am hypothetically speaking and making no inference whatsoever. Fenergan is not a sedative drug. The sedative properties are a side effect of this antihistamine.
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That's what makes him an ideal patsy, in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. Perhaps you would also like to explain why the Germans need a patsy in the case of Madeleine McCann while you’re at it.
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IMO he's wrong about Calpol. He went down that rabbit hole because of a comment by Madeleine's Grandfather, reportedly.
If a sedative was given to the children then I would put money on it being the Fenergan (found in apartment 5A) and known by doctors to keep the kids quiet on long car journeys. As it's an antihistamine you could if questioned say rather unconvincingly "we did not give the kids any sedative drugs". I am hypothetically speaking and making no inference whatsoever. Fenergan is not a sedative drug. The sedative properties are a side effect of this antihistamine.
A sedative that had the effect of making Madeleine get up after being left asleep in bed and start climbing on the furniture? Is this a common side effect of this drug?
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Well I hate to have to break it to you, but he's innocent.
There’s a few things I’d like to break to you but forum decorum prevents me from doing so sadly.
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Madeleine wouldn’t have been the only child ever abducted from her bedroom by a stranger and murdered but she would be the only child who was sedated by a parent and then plummeted to her near instant death off a sofa.
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A sedative that had the effect of making Madeleine get up after being left asleep in bed and start climbing on the furniture? Is this a common side effect of this drug?
Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
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Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
Vertigo Swirl makes a good point - plus wouldn't that be quite a coincidence, she was sedated and had a fatal accident prior to it taking effect?
Although I take your point on 'covering their tracks', if, as they were, medically minded.
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Vertigo Swirl makes a good point - plus wouldn't that be quite a coincidence, she was sedated and had a fatal accident prior to it taking effect?
Although I take your point on 'covering their tracks', if, as they were, medically minded.
If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.
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If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.
Good point well made.
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If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.
According to their parents yes, but it's quite possible only 2 were actually sleeping & the other one was dead.
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According to their parents yes, but it's quite possible only 2 were actually sleeping & the other one was dead.
That shouldn't be funny, but it is.
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That shouldn't be funny, but it is.
That won't endear you to the supporters.
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That won't endear you to the supporters.
I'm not too concerned with taking sides. As irreverent as it was, and I'm sure some will take vicarious offence, it was quite amusing to me.
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Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
Yes.. Then just to put the police off the track suggest the other two have been sedated
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Yes.. Then just to put the police off the track suggest the other two have been sedated
If we look at it logically, all 3 kids would have to be sedated in the same way to ensure they were not disturbed.
So the risk of one of them getting up and mooching around or looking for their mum and dad should be negated - that would be the primary reason for doing it (according to those of a sceptical bent).
If we take that logic and apply it further by suggesting that all 3 kids would have been administered the same dose, it would stand to reason that MM would be the most likely to be physiologically able of the 3 to withstand / resist (for want of a better phrase) said dose and would therefore be the most likely to be able to rouse herself and potentially wander.
If this did occur, and I doubt it did, then this would have at least been the 3rd of 4th time sedation was used, given the testimony of the parents themselves that going out / monitoring was the established routine, albeit only 3 days.
If we then take the disputed account of Mrs Fenn, who heard a child crying for a prolonged period, an account corroborated by Kate herself, although not in its entirety, then there was opportunity on this holiday alone to adjust the sedative dose accordingly.
I don't see how all of this fits with a fatal accident that resulted in a significant fall, however. Surely overdose or anaphylactic reaction would be the most likely mode of death? Therefore this apparent spattering of bodily fluids would not occur (unless resuscitation was attempted, even then, I don't see it personally).
This is probably all off topic, so I apologise, but this sedation theory has too many moving parts for me.
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Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
If someone went to the trouble of sedating their kids to go "out on the piss" you'd think they'd at least wait until the kids were unconscious before leaving them. Or do you think they would be happy to leave with their kids wanting mummy and daddy and crying and wandering around the apartment in a daze? Or is this the sort of sedative that puts kids under really quickly but then jolts them back to consciousness a few minutes later?
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If someone went to the trouble of sedating their kids to go "out on the piss" you'd think they'd at least wait until the kids were unconscious before leaving them. Or do you think they would be happy to leave with their kids wanting mummy and daddy and crying and wandering around the apartment in a daze? Or is this the sort of sedative that puts kids under really quickly but then jolts them back to consciousness a few minutes later?
I think the prevailing theory is that the sedative didn't work for Maddie at least one of the previous evenings, so with that in mind, yes, they believe they were "happy to leave their kids potentially wandering around the apartment in a daze".
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I think the prevailing theory is that the sedative didn't work for Maddie at least one of the previous evenings, so with that in mind, yes, they believe they were "happy to leave their kids potentially wandering around the apartment in a daze".
It's not a very good theory though in my opinion. If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
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It's not a very good theory though in my opinion. If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
I detect sarcasm in there somewhere.
Let's give them their unworkable theory for now. I doubt they'd be experimenting with dosage whilst on holiday, certainly not having arrived with various medications (although I'm not sure what they actually had).
The theory depends on prior knowledge and use in my opinion, with a dosage having been established as sufficient prior to the holiday during the course of normal life.
So there's some sense in that, as far as I can see, but where it falls down is a case of being hoisted by their own petard - if they knew what doses worked prior to the holiday and came armed with the effective medication, then they must have deviated from the sedation as per their own knowledge and experience, because MM (and possibly SM) woke up and was crying.
Why do that? Why change, particularly when, according the sceptics, they were bent on going out and having a relatively uninterrupted time?
It's never made any sense to me this whole theory and for Amaral to propagate it is a reflection on his incompetence.
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It's not a very good theory though in my opinion. If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
Or you'd dose with something else . Hidden but in plain sight .
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Or you'd dose with something else . Hidden but in plain sight .
Something which didn't work, such as?
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I detect sarcasm in there somewhere.
Let's give them their unworkable theory for now. I doubt they'd be experimenting with dosage whilst on holiday, certainly not having arrived with various medications (although I'm not sure what they actually had).
The theory depends on prior knowledge and use in my opinion, with a dosage having been established as sufficient prior to the holiday during the course of normal life.
So there's some sense in that, as far as I can see, but where it falls down is a case of being hoisted by their own petard - if they knew what doses worked prior to the holiday and came armed with the effective medication, then they must have deviated from the sedation as per their own knowledge and experience, because MM (and possibly SM) woke up and was crying.
Why do that? Why change, particularly when, according the sceptics, they were bent on going out and having a relatively uninterrupted time?
It's never made any sense to me this whole theory and for Amaral to propagate it is a reflection on his incompetence.
For me the theory falls down at the point where you need to accept either 1) they sedated their kids so that they could go out knowing their kids wouldn't be bouncing off the walls but still left one of them awake OR 2) they sedated their kids, left all three fast asleep and then one woke up shortly after sedation.
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Something which didn't work, such as?
What do you mean by " which didn't work " ? It could have worked too well .
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What do you mean by " which didn't work " ? It could have worked too well .
If it worked too well then Madeleine died in bed, is that what you think happened?
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If it worked too well then Madeleine died in bed, is that what you think happened?
It's possible she died in bed or got up very much affected fell and died . I have considered ( rather than thought) both of these .
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It's possible she died in bed or got up very much affected fell and died . I have considered ( rather than thought) both of these .
If she had died in bed how do you think her deadness manifested itself to anyone doing a check on the children in the near darkness? If she got up after being asleep for a short while and fell from a height then my original point stands - clearly the sedative did not work.
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If she had died in bed how do you think her deadness manifested itself to anyone doing a check on the children in the near darkness? If she got up after being asleep for a short while and fell from a height then my original point stands - clearly the sedative did not work.
Who actually did check ? Seems to me JT only listened .
MO said he couldn't see Madeleine's bed so she could have been dead at that point .
Could have been dead in bed when her father checked .
Yes if she got up it would appear to seem like the sedative didn't work enough to send her unconscious although it worked enough to make her unable to ,maintain her balance if that's what happened .
Depends on how her body reacted to the sedative effect of what was given .
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Who actually did check ? Seems to me JT only listened .
MO said he couldn't see Madeleine's bed so she could have been dead at that point .
Could have been dead in bed when her father checked .
Yes if she got up it would appear to seem like the sedative didn't work enough to send her unconscious although it worked enough to make her unable to ,maintain her balance if that's what happened .
Depends on how her body reacted to the sedative effect of what was given .
WRT to her dying in bed I think you are rather missing the point. When you check on a sleeping child do you go over to them and take their pulse? Do you check if they are still breathing? If not what would alert you to the fact that they had died in your sleep because they’d OD’ed on sedative and prompt you to put a cover up into action?
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Who actually did check ? Seems to me JT only listened .
MO said he couldn't see Madeleine's bed so she could have been dead at that point .
Could have been dead in bed when her father checked .
Yes if she got up it would appear to seem like the sedative didn't work enough to send her unconscious although it worked enough to make her unable to ,maintain her balance if that's what happened .
Depends on how her body reacted to the sedative effect of what was given .
All this crazy fantasy when the PJ are in Germany helping build the case against CB
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All this crazy fantasy when the PJ are in Germany helping build the case against CB
Yes, a few officers flew to Germany & shared their information on Brueckner. Which adds considerable weight to the mass of nothing that Wolters has against him.
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Yes, a few officers flew to Germany & shared their information on Brueckner. Which adds considerable weight to the mass of nothing that Wolters has against him.
I reckon that whatever they are doing there, it has little to do with Madeleine
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All this crazy fantasy when the PJ are in Germany helping build the case against CB
I was asked questions by VS on sedation so I'm answering .
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I reckon that whatever they are doing there, it has little to do with Madeleine
Quite possibly the other cases he's been on about.
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WRT to her dying in bed I think you are rather missing the point. When you check on a sleeping child do you go over to them and take their pulse? Do you check if they are still breathing? If not what would alert you to the fact that they had died in your sleep because they’d OD’ed on sedative and prompt you to put a cover up into action?
Different strokes for different folks apply to the first question .Me ,a former nurse , was taught to gently touch for a response particularly after anaesthetic .KM had her own preference ?
That would apply to your second question and if there was no response further action would be taken .
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Different strokes for different folks apply to the first question .Me ,a former nurse , was taught to gently touch for a response particularly after anaesthetic .KM had her own preference ?
That would apply to your second question and if there was no response further action would be taken .
Kate didn’t do a check until 10 pm, so wouldn’t have discovered her dead in bed until then so I think we can rule out that scenario don’t you? So do you think Gerry physically examined her at 9pm and on discovering her dead in bed took her out of the bed and hid her behind the sofa?
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This book’s been out a week now and I’m not aware of even one single chapter having been translated yet. Is it because no one’s interested or because it’s too much of an embarrassment to bother with?
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This book’s been out a week now and I’m not aware of even one single chapter having been translated yet. Is it because no one’s interested or because it’s too much of an embarrassment to bother with?
Its probably like every other book, it adds nothing.
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Its probably like every other book, it adds nothing.
But it was so eagerly anticipated by his fanbase and then - nothing.
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If we look at it logically, all 3 kids would have to be sedated in the same way to ensure they were not disturbed.
So the risk of one of them getting up and mooching around or looking for their mum and dad should be negated - that would be the primary reason for doing it (according to those of a sceptical bent).
If we take that logic and apply it further by suggesting that all 3 kids would have been administered the same dose, it would stand to reason that MM would be the most likely to be physiologically able of the 3 to withstand / resist (for want of a better phrase) said dose and would therefore be the most likely to be able to rouse herself and potentially wander.
If this did occur, and I doubt it did, then this would have at least been the 3rd of 4th time sedation was used, given the testimony of the parents themselves that going out / monitoring was the established routine, albeit only 3 days.
If we then take the disputed account of Mrs Fenn, who heard a child crying for a prolonged period, an account corroborated by Kate herself, although not in its entirety, then there was opportunity on this holiday alone to adjust the sedative dose accordingly.
I don't see how all of this fits with a fatal accident that resulted in a significant fall, however. Surely overdose or anaphylactic reaction would be the most likely mode of death? Therefore this apparent spattering of bodily fluids would not occur (unless resuscitation was attempted, even then, I don't see it personally).
This is probably all off topic, so I apologise, but this sedation theory has too many moving parts for me.
I find it a distasteful discussion particularly as the twins were tested and proved clear of drugs.
However as we we are discussing on this thread another book of lies emphasising the lunacy of Goncalo Amaral which features the allegation - it is not off topic although at times slurs have been cast.
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I'm sure they were tested for certain drugs, but unless their samples were put through a Mass Spectrometer, it would be impossible to declare them drug-free.
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The idea that you would carelessly over sedate a child but yet still be anxious enough to take their vital signs when you go check on them is quite laughable IMO.
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Kate didn’t do a check until 10 pm, so wouldn’t have discovered her dead in bed until then so I think we can rule out that scenario don’t you? So do you think Gerry physically examined her at 9pm and on discovering her dead in bed took her out of the bed and hid her behind the sofa?
I didn't mean KM checked at 10 pm ! Meant she had her own method of testing for responses (as an anaesthetist )
I don't think Gerry discovered her in bed and hid her behind the sofa.
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I didn't mean KM checked at 10 pm ! Meant she had her own method of testing for responses (as an anaesthetist )
I don't think Gerry discovered her in bed and hid her behind the sofa.
So unless youcan think of a plausible scenario of sedation overdose which resulted in Madeleine dying in bed, being discovered and hidden, I think it’s probably safe to discount it don’t you?
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So unless youcan think of a plausible scenario of sedation overdose which resulted in Madeleine dying in bed, being discovered and hidden, I think it’s probably safe to discount it don’t you?
[/quote]It's laughable that you could think you have the power to persuade me to .
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So unless youcan think of a plausible scenario of sedation overdose which resulted in Madeleine dying in bed, being discovered and hidden, I think it’s probably safe to discount it don’t you?
It's laughable that you could think you have the power to persuade me to .
So tell me what sedative could have caused an overdose and death
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So tell me what sedative could have caused an overdose and death
Oh please ....as if you can't think of something yourself you want me to put my head on the block .
I already gave you a clue . Hidden. In plain sight .
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So unless youcan think of a plausible scenario of sedation overdose which resulted in Madeleine dying in bed, being discovered and hidden, I think it’s probably safe to discount it don’t you?
It's laughable that you could think you have the power to persuade me to .
What a bizarre response! I’m simply pointing out how illogical and implausible your scenario was, I am well aware however that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
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What a bizarre response! I’m simply pointing out how illogical and implausible your scenario was, I am well aware however that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
of course which I would never try means to get you to accept my ideas .
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of course which I would never try means to get you to accept my ideas .
Instead of claiming that I’m trying to force you to accept my ideas, maybe it would be more constructive to tell me why you think I am wrong to say your ideas about an overdose and a death in bed are implausible and illogical?
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Instead of claiming that I’m trying to force you to accept my ideas, maybe it would be more constructive to tell me why you think I am wrong to say your ideas about an overdose and a death in bed are implausible and illogical?
Now you're jumping about ,only a few minutes ago you wanted to know what sedation could have been used .
Actually I don't recall what you believe . I haven't been posting nowhere near as long as you . You can refresh me if you feel like it .
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Now you're jumping about ,only a few minutes ago you wanted to know what sedation could have been used .
Actually I don't recall what you believe . I haven't been posting nowhere near as long as you . You can refresh me if you feel like it .
I’m sorry but you’re deflecting and somewhat confused. I did not ask you what sedative was used. I am not jumping about. I am simply pointing out that IMO it is illogical and implausible to suggest that Madeleine died in her bed of a sedative overdose. You appear to disagree with me but won’t really explain why. Never mind, I’m happy to leave it there.
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I find it a distasteful discussion particularly as the twins were tested and proved clear of drugs.
However as we we are discussing on this thread another book of lies emphasising the lunacy of Goncalo Amaral which features the allegation - it is not off topic although at times slurs have been cast.
The twins were tested after traces of fenergan would no longer be in their hair - so that adds little to the debate. I'm afraid.
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Oh please ....as if you can't think of something yourself you want me to put my head on the block .
I already gave you a clue . Hidden. In plain sight .
I dont think you have any idea....
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The twins were tested after traces of fenergan would no longer be in their hair - so that adds little to the debate. I'm afraid.
Amazing then isn't it that the Portuguese investigators didn't think to do that as soon as the coordinator decided sedation was a feature of the crime.
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I didn't mean KM checked at 10 pm ! Meant she had her own method of testing for responses (as an anaesthetist )
I don't think Gerry discovered her in bed and hid her behind the sofa.
Hid her behind the sofa!! How silly. The friends could have found her behind the sofa. Why would Gerry be searching outside wasting time when he could have just taken Madeleine from behind the sofa? How did he move her with everyone searching? Sorry that idea falls flat.
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The twins were tested after traces of fenergan would no longer be in their hair - so that adds little to the debate. I'm afraid.
The twins had the roots of their hair tested, why wouldn't it be in their hair? Shannon Matthews hair was found to have drugs which had been administered months before.
A forensic toxicologist told the trial of Shannon Matthews's mother that hair samples from the little girl showed the "potent hypnotic" drug temazepam had been taken by her regularly months before she vanished.
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Amazing then isn't it that the Portuguese investigators didn't think to do that as soon as the coordinator decided sedation was a feature of the crime.
Maybe at that point in time, as Amaral describes in his book, there was political pressure applied by certain forces in the UK not to look at alleged parental involvement but instead to concentrate on the Tanner sighting and a scenario of rare stranger abduction.
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The twins had the roots of their hair tested, why wouldn't it be in their hair? Shannon Matthews hair was found to have drugs which had been administered months before.
A forensic toxicologist told the trial of Shannon Matthews's mother that hair samples from the little girl showed the "potent hypnotic" drug temazepam had been taken by her regularly months before she vanished.
The twins didn't have the roots of their hair tested, just hair cut from theit heads;
The scientist cut chunks of it from Sean and Amelie’s heads while they were sleeping. I cried as I heard the scissors in their baby-blond hair [madeleine page 288]
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Maybe at that point in time, as Amaral describes in his book, there was political pressure applied by certain forces in the UK not to look at alleged parental involvement but instead to concentrate on the Tanner sighting and a scenario of rare stranger abduction.
And once again we return to the curly-wurly cuckoo realms of the political cover up. Was it Gerry's connections with Porton Down? Was Madeleine a top secret genetic experiment? Was Kate sleeping with Tony Blair? I'm sure there must be a very good reason for the political pressure put on the Portuguese not to investigate the parents... *%87
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The twins had the roots of their hair tested, why wouldn't it be in their hair? Shannon Matthews hair was found to have drugs which had been administered months before.
A forensic toxicologist told the trial of Shannon Matthews's mother that hair samples from the little girl showed the "potent hypnotic" drug temazepam had been taken by her regularly months before she vanished.
I suppose the cumulative build up of being 'taken by her regularly months before she vanished' would take the sample from undetectable or trace, to measurable depending on factors like dosage, age, weight, and metabolism, as well as the type of detection test used.
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Maybe at that point in time, as Amaral describes in his book, there was political pressure applied by certain forces in the UK not to look at alleged parental involvement but instead to concentrate on the Tanner sighting and a scenario of rare stranger abduction.
The decision was entirely for the Portuguese investigators to make. They didn't bother with that though did they.
If you wish to believe the various conspiracy theories which suggested themselves to a proven consummate liar - be my guest.
That takes a particular mindset, particularly after his recent episodes confirming that he is still very much actively inventing lies and promoting them.
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I think it’s fair to say Gonc’s book reveals no new insight, no aces, no astounding revelations otherwise I feel sure they would have made it to the front page of the Daily Star by now.
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The twins had the roots of their hair tested, why wouldn't it be in their hair? Shannon Matthews hair was found to have drugs which had been administered months before.
A forensic toxicologist told the trial of Shannon Matthews's mother that hair samples from the little girl showed the "potent hypnotic" drug temazepam had been taken by her regularly months before she vanished.
The number of "months" in "months later" is crucially important.
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I think Kate and Gerry will ignore his nonsense and treat it and him with the utter contempt both deserve. The important thing at the moment is the German investigation and what results from that.
There was a sexual predator living in Luz and the Policia Judiciaria under Amaral missed him while Amaral concentrated his ineptitude in entirely the wrong direction.
This swansong of a book confirms that.
I think if his malice had been less he would merely have become a laughing stock. The lies he has told on Brueckner's behalf change that though and may have made him a person of interest and not the type of interest he so very obviously craves.
He also had a home 10 mins away by car from where Joana Cipriano disappeared.
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He also had a home 10 mins away by car from where Joana Cipriano disappeared.
A lot of people are still wondering about that.
Amaral was convicted of perjury in that case.
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When I was a kid I called windscreen wipers “windscreepers” and elephants “beeboos”, must I infer from this that I was sexually abused by a friend of my parents?
At around 2ish, I apparently called fluffy clouds "nappies".
Seeing as Amaral got mixed up even about who was present at the confrontation with Murat (no, Jane wasn't there), he might have got similarly mixed up or misheard as to which child (children) any police officers were referring to: Madeliene or the twins. If such a report had indeed ever even be filed.
When were such interviews supposed to have occurred?