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[Mr Gray]

So what? It would be Seriously remiss not to commission this..british police call jurder after a ciuole weeks of missing

sorry no comprende

[ferryman]

After Eddie alerted police were looking for a dead body in the Kate Prout case and building a case against her husband (not a shadow!). Those cops must be limited too according to you. They bring cadaver dogs in to investigate and when they alert they ignore it and start looking for a living person. Is that what you believe?

In the Prout case, Eddie's alert (hundreds of yards from where Kate Prout was murdered and buried) played a minuscule part of the case against him. 

The prosecution contended that Prout had strangled his wife in the matrimonial home, an erroneous detail in an (otherwise) safe and correct judgement. 

[faithlilly]

In the Prout case, Eddie's alert (hundreds of yards from where Kate Prout was murdered and buried) played a minuscule part of the case against him. 

The prosecution contended that Prout had strangled his wife in the matrimonial home, an erroneous detail in an (otherwise) safe and correct judgement.

A minuscule part but a part nonetheless!

[mercury]

sorry no comprende

Its very simple to see past spellos, after a couple weeks police frequently call it a murder inquiry, sheesh

[ferryman]

A minuscule part but a part nonetheless!

The distraction to a police enquiry (on this occasion) did not hinder a safe conclusion.

The bulk of the evidence was circumstantial.  Mrs Prout's credit cards and bank accounts had remained untouched and she would have needed money to live (had she been alive).  That was the major one.

[pathfinder73]

[mercury]

The father at least seems totally inncent imo

[pathfinder73]

After examination of such – the following conclusions based upon evidence at hand was made :

1. Vernal Kunz was deceptive, had failed five (5) polygraph examinations and had told six different stories. Vernal Kunz was declared a suspect in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
2. Jessica Mitchell Anderson was deceptive, had failed four (4) polygraph examinations and had told five different stories. Jessica Anderson was declared a suspect in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
3. Robert “Bob” Walton was deceptive, had told two stories to KIC investigators, and was inconclusive on his polygraph examinations. Bob Walton was declared a person of interest or witness in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
4. Issac Reinwand was truthful, had told the same story to KIC investigators and Law Enforcement four times. However, some details had been left out of one of the stories. After review Reinwand was declared a person of interest as a witness in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.

During the five day operation the following objectives were met :

Time distance study to fully verify or disprove Vernal Kunz’s timeline.
Time distance study to fully verify or disprove Jessica Mitchell Anderson’s timeline.
Cell Phone Impact and Signal Study of known directional “pings” in investigators possession.
Site location study to verify or disprove the testimony by witnesses to KIC and Law Enforcement.
Dog Search – to verify or disprove the testimony to KIC and Law Enforcement.
A secondary dog search in the city of Idaho Falls, ID, at two locations.

The following were the results :

The time distance study failed to verify Vernal Kunz’s testimony in his timeline.
The time distance study failed to verify Jessica Mitchell Anderson’s testimony in her timeline.
The Cell Phone Impact study was able to determine that Vernal Kunz’s testimony was fabricated. As well it was determined that Vernal Kunz’s testimony that he drove 1.5 miles to get a cell signal was not truthful.
The site location study was successfully completed and it was determined that the testimony of Kunz, Anderson and Walton not only could not be verified, but physically according to their statements to KIC and Law Enforcement, the events as portrayed could not have occurred.
The dog study presented five areas of “hits” further explained below.
The secondary dog study was productive and is further explained below.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/

[mercury]

So ones protecting the other or both if guilty

Polygraphs cant tell that

[pathfinder73]

Discrepancies have emerged in the accounts of the circumstances in which the child went missing, authorities said. And questions have been raised about the veracity of statements made by his parents, with both the mother and the father failing a polygraph question tied to the boy’s whereabouts, said Bowerman.

Bowerman also noted that Kunz Sr. and Mitchell were given multiple polygraph tests over the course of the investigation. Though the results came back as inconclusive, the sheriff said that the parents consistently failed on the questions asking whether they knew anything about DeOrr’s disappearance and whether they knew where DeOrr was located.

[Brietta]

Author’s partner on murder charge as body ‘found in hidden cesspit’

Gruesome discovery after neighbours tip off police

The Scottish Mail on Sunday17 Jul 2016By Andrew Young

THE partner of missing author Helen Bailey appeared in court charged with her murder yesterday – as neighbours claimed her body had been found in a cesspit at her £1.2million home.
Neighbours said her body was discovered – along with that of her dachshund, Boris – after the former owner of the house told police of the existence of the cesspit in the garage.
Computer expert Ian Stewart, 55, is also charged with preventing the lawful burial of Miss Bailey, 51, and perverting the course of justice.
He spoke only to confirm his name and address during a two-minute hearing before magistrates in Hatfield, Hertfordshire. Stewart was remanded in custody to appear tomorrow at St Albans Crown Court.
Miss Bailey, who created the Electra Brown and Daisy Davenport books for teenagers, was last seen out walking her dog on April 11 near her spacious home in Royston, Hertfordshire.
It was initially thought she may have gone to stay at her seaside property in Kent, but police found no sign of her.
Stewart was arrested on suspicion of murder last Monday as police began an extensive search of the detached house in Royston, three months after an earlier search yielded no clues.
Officers found the body on Friday after five days searching the grounds.
Mother-of-three Nicki McGrath, from Perth, Australia, whose mother lives next door to the author, said police had been unaware of the existence of the cesspit before being told about it on Friday.
Ms McGrath, who is staying with her mother while on holiday, said: ‘My mum was being disturbed by the noise of the generator which the police were using during their search. We had a word with police on Thursday evening to ask what time they would be turning it off. They said they were due to finish the next day.
‘We were just leaving when I said, “It might sound stupid, but have you dredged the well?”
‘We told them the last person who lived there used to joke that he had this ideal place to dump a body.
‘The senior officer came to see us the next morning and we told him what we knew. Then my mum phoned the former owner of the house so the detective could speak directly to him.
‘It turned out the police had only been draining the overflow tank in the old well in the garden, thinking that was all there was. The former owner told them the actual cesspit was in the large garage at the back of the house.
‘The body was found a little while later. It must have been in the cesspit because they had searched everywhere else without finding anything.
‘I have some empathy with the police because they could not have known the cesspit was there.’
Ms McGrath’s mother, who asked not to be named, said: ‘Helen was a lovely person. She was forthcoming, exuberant, intelligent and very friendly. She was genuine and outgoing and made everyone feel so special. What has happened is just awful.’
Det Chief Supt Paul Fullwood, who leads the Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire Major Crime Unit, refused to say where the body was found, but said: ‘We can confirm Helen Bailey’s body was found within the grounds of her home along with the body of her dog, Boris.
‘The searches have been painstaking and more work will need to take place in the coming days. Specialist officers are continuing to support Helen’s family at this extremely difficult time.’
A statement from Miss Bailey’s family said: ‘We share with Helen’s friends, neighbours and fans our shock, disbelief and sadness at the news of her tragic death.
‘Helen was immensely witty and talented. We love her deeply and are immensely proud of her achievements. She is now at peace and we shall all miss her terribly.
‘We wish to express our gratitude to the police as well as all those who supported us in the search for Helen.’
‘Helen made everyone feel so special’
http://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20160717/281874412749880

[mercury]

Authors murdering partner case has got what to do with ths thread on MM case and forum?????
Unless you are insinuating MM is in a cesspit somewhere???

Madeleine mccann is obviously dead years ago,no intelligent or  sane person woudl dispute that
The point of this forum is trying to figure out how and who

So keep calm and carry on
But pls dont post pointless articles

[Brietta]

Authors murdering partner case has got what to do with ths thread on MM case and forum?????
Unless you are insinuating MM is in a cesspit somewhere???

Madeleine mccann is obviously dead years ago,no intelligent or  sane person woudl dispute that
The point of this forum is trying to figure out how and who

So keep calm and carry on
But pls dont post pointless articles

There is no evidence we know of that Madeleine McCann is dead; there is no evidence we know of that she is alive; therefore there is a fifty fifty chance either way. 

The relevance or not of the article to the case of a missing person whether considering possible places of concealment to cadaver dogs is in my opinion self evident.
Helen Bailey's remains and those of her dog were in a cesspit and were only found because someone with local knowledge knew the cesspit existed and told the police.

I think you are perhaps misguided in thinking the forum may be instrumental in "figuring out" how and by whom Madeleine may have been abducted.  Like everyone else we are going to have to wait for the professionals to bring the case to a conclusion.
Whether that is a successful or an unsuccessful one remains to be seen.  In the interim there is no harm in hoping for the best.

[Carana]

After examination of such – the following conclusions based upon evidence at hand was made :

1. Vernal Kunz was deceptive, had failed five (5) polygraph examinations and had told six different stories. Vernal Kunz was declared a suspect in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
2. Jessica Mitchell Anderson was deceptive, had failed four (4) polygraph examinations and had told five different stories. Jessica Anderson was declared a suspect in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
3. Robert “Bob” Walton was deceptive, had told two stories to KIC investigators, and was inconclusive on his polygraph examinations. Bob Walton was declared a person of interest or witness in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.
4. Issac Reinwand was truthful, had told the same story to KIC investigators and Law Enforcement four times. However, some details had been left out of one of the stories. After review Reinwand was declared a person of interest as a witness in a homicide either by accident or intentional means.

During the five day operation the following objectives were met :

Time distance study to fully verify or disprove Vernal Kunz’s timeline.
Time distance study to fully verify or disprove Jessica Mitchell Anderson’s timeline.
Cell Phone Impact and Signal Study of known directional “pings” in investigators possession.
Site location study to verify or disprove the testimony by witnesses to KIC and Law Enforcement.
Dog Search – to verify or disprove the testimony to KIC and Law Enforcement.
A secondary dog search in the city of Idaho Falls, ID, at two locations.

The following were the results :

The time distance study failed to verify Vernal Kunz’s testimony in his timeline.
The time distance study failed to verify Jessica Mitchell Anderson’s testimony in her timeline.
The Cell Phone Impact study was able to determine that Vernal Kunz’s testimony was fabricated. As well it was determined that Vernal Kunz’s testimony that he drove 1.5 miles to get a cell signal was not truthful.
The site location study was successfully completed and it was determined that the testimony of Kunz, Anderson and Walton not only could not be verified, but physically according to their statements to KIC and Law Enforcement, the events as portrayed could not have occurred.
The dog study presented five areas of “hits” further explained below.
The secondary dog study was productive and is further explained below.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/

Investigator Sargent reports the “Chance” whom is a trained cadaver dog hit five different unknown targets. Chance is trained on human decomposition and human blood pathogen decomposition.

(...)
The following are the hits (limited) :

1. “Diaper Tree Area” – This is the area to which it was testified that “a diaper” was hung in the tree in the campground.
2. 139 Feet East of the Cattle Guard in the camp ground – in a loose ground area.
3. 10 Feet Due East of camp site.
4. 2.24 miles due Northeast of the 15 mp stake, in the ravine near 221 southeast fence.
5. Camp site ground .75 miles due East of the camp ground.

Area 1 : There was no evidence obtained.
Area 2 : Excavation was undertaken by LE and KIC – this area needs to be further exhumed and was turned over to Law Enforcement for further investigation by their team.
Area 3 : This area was excavated by hand – and found that a previous animal had been buried at this location. During the burial the subject who did the burial cut his hand and bled into a towel wrapped around the animal.
Area 4 : Investigators have turned this area over to law enforcement.
Area 5 : Investigators believe this site may have been a “holding site” for some type of human body.

[pathfinder73]