Goncalo Amaral.

[Mr Gray]

Someone actually said on a FB group that even though MG said their is a possibility of mishandling the dogs for a false positive, they thought it was more offensive to say that than it is fpr someone to state u covered up ur daughters death and or killed them without being charged. Level of people you deal with. They r so convinced they r far past david icke.

Grime hs explained what he means by a false positive...and it isn't what sceptics think..it's not a false alert

[Rossb]

Grime hs explained what he means by a false positive...and it isn't what sceptics think..it's not a false alert

He did say it can be by handling skills i think and it could be the dog handlers mistake for a bark. Just the level of ppl who think that is more offensive to say

[kizzy]

That was a quote from Martin Grime not me.

Ye, I know....but it was you who posted it L... so what was your point.

My point was .....[so he said it could be ancient]... not the dogs didn't find any sent at all.

So ancient sent or not ...the dogs did find something ...they wasn't wrong.

[Mr Gray]

Ye, I know....but it was you who posted it L... so what was your point.

My point was .....[so he said it could be ancient]... not the dogs didn't find any sent at all.

So ancient sent or not ...the dogs did find something ...they wasn't wrong.

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows

Grime was trying to build his cadaver alert business so it's fair to say he may well have overestimated the dogs abilities..but the dogs did not have a 100% record and it is a lie to say they've never had a false alert in 200 cases...a total lie

[Rossb]

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows

Grime was trying to build his cadaver alert business so it's fair to say he may well have overestimated the dogs abilities..but the dogs did not have a 100% record and it is a lie to say they've never had a false alert in 200 cases...a total lie

The dogs have never been even involved in 200 cases. Merely impossible. Was around 17 and 21 with SY police. Then freelanced elsewhere out of uk shores, maybe another 6 or 7 times.

[kizzy]

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows

Grime was trying to build his cadaver alert business so it's fair to say he may well have overestimated the dogs abilities..but the dogs did not have a 100% record and it is a lie to say they've never had a false alert in 200 cases...a total lie

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows



Well according to the  post from L

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

So seems the dogs were not wrong.

As for grime overestimating the dogs to build up his business ....he wouldn't have got very far if maddie had been found with a loving couple.

[Lace]

Ye, I know....but it was you who posted it L... so what was your point.

My point was .....[so he said it could be ancient]... not the dogs didn't find any sent at all.

So ancient sent or not ...the dogs did find something ...they wasn't wrong.

You posted that Grime's career would have been in shreds if it was proven the dogs didn't alert.

I pointed out that it wouldn't be in shreds as he would say exactly what he said for the Netflix documentary, that they could have been alerting to ancient scents.   That would be his excuse.

[Lace]

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows



Well according to the  post from L

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

So seems the dogs were not wrong.

As for grime overestimating the dogs to build up his business ....he wouldn't have got very far if maddie had been found with a loving couple.

It doesn't prove the dogs weren't wrong at all.   It's an excuse if the dogs alert are to be found to be wrong.

[Venturi Swirl]

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows



Well according to the  post from L

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

So seems the dogs were not wrong.

As for grime overestimating the dogs to build up his business ....he wouldn't have got very far if maddie had been found with a loving couple.

"could have been" doesn't mean "was".  It's called hedging your bets, getting your ducks in a row in case it all goes Pete Tong and Madeleine turned up alive, or not to have been killed in the apartment after all. 

[kizzy]

It doesn't prove the dogs weren't wrong at all.   It's an excuse if the dogs alert are to be found to be wrong.

Does that include car ...keys... k cloths ect ect.

[kizzy]

"could have been" doesn't mean "was".  It's called hedging your bets, getting your ducks in a row in case it all goes Pete Tong and Madeleine turned up alive, or not to have been killed in the apartment after all.

Ok VS thanks for your opinion.

[G-Unit]

It doesn't prove the dogs weren't wrong at all.   It's an excuse if the dogs alert are to be found to be wrong.

Martin Grime didn't need an excuse. He never made any claims which needed excusing.

[Mr Gray]

Who says the dogs found something..no one really knows



Well according to the  post from L

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

So seems the dogs were not wrong.

As for grime overestimating the dogs to build up his business ....he wouldn't have got very far if maddie had been found with a loving couple.

Grime had his excuse ready....and he now says. Eddie was not reliable..alerts..junk

[Eleanor]

Martin Grime didn't need an excuse. He never made any claims which needed excusing.

Just innuendo which he very much later clarified.  Poor old Eddie just wasn't up to the job by no fault of his.  A lot of us already knew that.
As was Goncalo Amaral.  Thick as planks and twice as stupid.  And still trying to interfere with The Course of Justice.  Why is Portugal doing nothing about this?

[Venturi Swirl]

Martin Grime didn't need an excuse. He never made any claims which needed excusing.

Right, but so many sceptics still don't get it.  They say "dogs don't lie" and nor do their handlers, even unconsciously.