The Defence Will State Their Case

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Lots of people living in flats collect their mail from a central area used by the inhabitants of all the flats. There would be a group of post boxes with flat numbers and/or names on them, and you would have your own key to it.

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This is a curious statement from the Police on the 30th December 2010

Women attending the party have been asked by officers to describe what they were wearing in case it was similar to Miss Yeates’s clothing.

So did the CCTV Footage of Canygne Road show Joanna Yeates arriving home ??? Or did it show her leaving??

What was she wearing??

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html#ixzz4vBszCunZ

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Just found an Interesting snippet from The Papers.... Article dated 1st January 2011

Two members of Long Ashton Golf Club in Failand were about to drive home when they saw the car pull into the entrance at 11.20pm on December 17.
The driver noticed the key-code operated barriers and hastily did a U-turn.
It then sped off towards Longwood Lane.

Now until the other day I wouldn't have known the significance of The Key Code when I discovered the Access Panel probably had a trade mans access to it....

Did the Police believe that someone had entered via the trades mans access???

Did Peter Stanley have a similar trades mans access ???  Or did someone leave something in Peter Stanleys Car boot... It could have been left unlocked.... when my Postie comes he leaves things anywhere he feels is ok...

Yesterday he left a parcel in the Barbie... Other times he leaves it behind the bin... He has left stuff in the neighbours garden before now ....

I certainly believe that the access Panel at the side of Joanna Yeates door is of significance and possibly the means of entrance to that Flat....(IMO).. Because i cannot see reason why the Police would talk about the key code to the Golf Club, other than let someone know how they had managed access... (IMO)



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343233/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-Prof-Strange-quizzed-police.html#ixzz4vC5pXP3Z

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This is possibly one of the most astute observations so far. If someone outside had a delivery letting them into the hallway might just be a reflex action, the door to the flat being the accepted barrier as another “front” door. You can almost see it happening, what other choice is there?

If Yeates had been followed home, it could have been less than a minute, and that accounts for why her phone was still in her coat pocket.

Very interesting input this, very interesting indeed.

Well... I think you are on to something there also... as in Barrier...

I was going over the clips for the umpteenth time when I spotted marks on the underlay....

I'll go back to the Red Stickers... I had mentioned before how they appeared to be at equal angles in the Hallway... 

There must have been something attached there...(IMO)..

But going back to the image that struck me... Is from a clip, it shows that the area directly in front of the bathroom door on the underlay has a mark that resembles a door being opened.... (Image attached).

It looks like a wear mark, of something being regularly used ...(IMO)

Then I remembered on the Judge Rinder Program at around 11:50 into the video... They show a reconstruction of Tanaj Morson and Dr Vincent Tabak going around to the Flat of Joanna Yeates and Joanna Yeates parents are at the door... Behind then quite close..Is another wrought Iron door/gate behind them...(image attached )..

Was there another Barrier in the Hallway of Flat 1 .. 44,Canygne Road????

Did they remove the carpet so that you couldn't see wear patterns ?????

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/license/656360150
 

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By the time we see the Coat Stand it has No Coats upon it...... Now Coat Stand ,Coat Pegs?? Is there a difference ... I believe that there is ....

Here's the quote...

Like a moment frozen in time, her home has been poignantly preserved with personal belongings and Christmas decorations since the day she was killed in December.

The 25-year-old landscape architect's size five running shoes and snow boots are in the yellow painted entrance hall.

There were also two litter trays for her cat Bernard, coats are hung up on the pegs - everything is spotless.

This was the sight which greeted the Bristol crown court jury as, for 22 minutes, they examined every part of the Bristol flat she shared with boyfriend Greg Reardon.

What did these coats look like ????

Was there somewhere else that there was coat pegs???  There has to be ....  If it is frozen in time... where did these coats magically disappear too, that the jury saw???  Were were the coat pegs????



What was changed in the Hallway by the time the media went round after the Jury???

Another thing I noticed in the Hallway is plug sockets.. There a double plug socket next to the radiator and something resembling a plug socket just under the long mirror next to the bathroom...

Also on Joanna Yeates bedroom door there is a hole in the centre frame that resembles a spy hole... not only that at the side of the door along the edging there are two marks that make me think that there was some type of lock on the other side of that door ... (Images attached ...)


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/frozen-in-time-the-flat-where-joanna-yeates-died-6452522.html

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Has... Rubbish ?? Bins... Collections.... Got anything to do with Joanna Yeates disappearance and I don't just mean the Pizza...??

There as so many shots of the Brown Small refuse Bin outside .. It ends up inside when the jury go around...

We see a bin in the bathroom... Yet there a empty toilet roll holder on the cistern and toilet paper on the holder..
We see the kitchen Bin... We see Black Bin liners left on the side when the Jury have been round.....

The Brown Bins are Recycling bins for food and Garden waste... You can have large Brown Bins, but the black bin Liners for them you have to supply yourself, I believe...

There is a connection between Recycling and Durnford Quarry....

REUSING WASTE BUILDING MATERIALS

Recycling of locally sourced construction and demolition materials has been undertaken at Durnford since 2005. The recycled aggregate products supplement the primary stone from the quarry and also helps to reduce demand on primary resources. The production of recycled aggregates depends on the supply of suitable materials and has been in the order of 75,000 tonnes per year.

So what is the connection to Joanna Yeates Recycling and The Quarry????

Recycling is mentioned at trial with regards Dr Vincent Tabak... But Dr Vincent Tabak could not know the significance of the word Recycling.. But whoever got him to say that must have !!! ...(IMO)

He gathered the bicycle cover and the pizza and sock from his flat and dumped them at a recycling centre.

Joanna Yeates mum mentions that her daughter is dumped like rubbish....

(IMO)..It's not the Pizza that is important.. But The Rubbish

on The 8th January 2011 it was even reported in the papers about The Quarry and recycling.... Just think we missed it....

It lay beside a dry-stone wall, behind which is a deep former quarry now used to recycle building materials.

So with that quote in mind... Did someone come to collect items that could be recycled from Joanna Yeates Flat on the 17th December 2010... Was it some kind of building materials ???


So what is it to do with Recycling???

The only thing I can find which incorporates Sita as well is...

This marks the first development to reach the planning stages as part of SITAs exclusive agreement with Irish plastic-to-diesel specialists Cynar. The deal, which was signed in November 2010, aims to deliver 10 waste plastic-to-fuel plants across the UK

I mention Sita because we got a good glimps of their vehicles cleaning the drains .... I found it odd at the time that the Police involved Sita...

I believe I have found the connection why Joann Yeates was left by the Quarry and the person who killed her knew the connection between recycling and Longwood Lane ... Because I do not believe that Dr vincent Tabak did!!!!


https://www.letsrecycle.com/news/latest-news/sita-reveals-plans-for-waste-plastic-to-diesel-plant/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html#ixzz4vCqFJ03m

http://www.tarmac.com/durnford-quarry/about/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/20/joanna-yeates-killer-speaks-crime

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Question is twofold...

What Recycling Centre would be open at that time of NIGHT???
Which Recycling Centre was Dr Vincent Tabak supposed to have dumped these items ???

He collected the bicycle bag, pizza and sock and dumped them at a recycling centre. Later, he went and picked his girlfriend up and tried to carry on with life as normal.

We even have this at trial....

Prosecuting counsel related to
the witness and she confirmed that her analysis shows that Tabak researched ‘police’,
‘missing persons’, ‘recycling’, etc.

then

At Line 368 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched for the Press release about
‘domestic rubbish’
‘Yeates’
‘architect’s killer’
‘maps for Clifton Road’
‘Clifton Road rubbish’
‘393 tons of rubbish trawled through’
‘household collections- Bristol City Council’
‘recycling’

And....

At Line 422 of the prosecution chart
 At 9.10 am (at work)
Tabak searched for press articles on the murder.
Then he Googled the words
‘DNA test’
‘Waste recycling’
‘rubbish collection’

Lets be serious here.... Dr Vincent Tabak has apparently just killed his neighbour, The first time he has ever killed anyone.. And.... He's bothered about dumping the rubbish in the proper recycle bins.... Is someone having a laugh...

First bin you come to I would have thought... Why would he think I must find a Recycling Bin.....???? He would not... He did not....(IMO)....

The Recycling has to do with the killer quite possibly... but NOT Dr Vincent Tabak....

Also when you really think about it... If he took it to A Recycling Centre There would be NO Information about this Centre available on the Internet as to when they reuse or sort out this rubbish.... So for Dr Vincent Tabak to apparently look for "Rubbish and Recycling "collections is Pointless (IMO)...

I keep telling you I do not believe that those searches are Dr Vincent Tabaks!!!! Whoever knows that recycling is important... made those searches up (IMO)...

Because I do not believe Dr Vincent Tabak knew what the importance of 'Recycling" was...!!!! But somebody did!!(IMO)..

Another report says he dumped them in a Recycling Bin in Victoria Square Clifton.....

After leaving Yeates’ body on a grass verge and covering her body with leaves, he texted his girlfriend and returned home. When he realised he still had the bicycle cover, pizza and Yeates’ sock, he disposed of them in a recycle bin near Victoria Square in Clifton.

Well there's no Recycling bins on Clifton Square.. Just ordinary rubbish Bins.. and we know the recycling bins are small... someone would have noticed the Pizza and The Sock...(IMO)..

The only large bins I can see near there are "Clifton Delivery Office".. (image attached ...) which the back of the building is on Clifton Road...

So we are back to Post men... and There is No way...(IMO).. Dr Vincent Tabak knew the significance of 'Recycling"..!!!

A lot of Post Offices have Recycling... But Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't mention the Post Office....  But we know Joanna Yeates went to buy her Cider from Bargain Booze which is a Post Office as well...


http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/20/vincent-tabak-apologises-joanna-yeates-parents

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Another thing that bugs me...

Why would Waitrose have 2 Fire Extinguishers at the top of the steps on entering and exiting... It seems a dangerous place for them to be ..... (Health and safety)...



There also a Fire Extinguisher in the Kitchen Of Joanna yeates ...

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We do not know what Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat really looks like inside.... And from the CJ Docudrama there is an arched opening  on the left hand side of the hallway, which would lead to the area of the supposed second bedroom...

The First image is whilst the trial is taking place....
The Second image is on the 18th January 2011

The actual drawing plan that is on the 18th January 2011, shows, (imo) that they were getting ready to set Dr Vincent Tabak up....

We can see The supposed second bedroom of Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat, we can see the BLOCKED Doorway that they tell us was at that point...  They have clearly fixed in our minds what these Flats should look like, well before the trial...

Yet it apparently wasn't until the 19th December that "The Sobbing Girl" called the Police....   So why even show us a glimps of Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat at this time ????

It shows us where the door apparently is to this second bedroom, now I do not believe that is the doorway as the opening to that room is in the hallway and is an arched opening, and Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't refer to it as a bedroom he says 'Little" room ....

Defence Counsel: When at home, where was the phone kept?
Tabak: In a little room.

I believe it is just "that" and not a "Bedroom"...


I have attached an image from the docudrama that show the man playing Dr Vincent Tabak at his front door, and in the background you can see the open archway that lead to the second  supposed bedroom

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

Edit... Made some errors have corrected them... No excuses, been at this too long...

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 The hallway of Flat 2... I have attached 2 of the same image.. on one of them I have circled them numbered 1-3
The image is not crystal clear but you can still see the Hallway...

Circle 1... The archway to the Left of the Hallway past the mirror near the radiator..

Circle2... The Doorway at the bottom of the Hallway

Circle 3... Something above Doorway..


When the people playing Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja come to the front door, they come from an opening which is opposite the archway..

The Drawing doesn't show either the opening or the bedroom door, but a continuation of walls....

On the third image I have attached you can see the edge of the wall then it opens to another area .... The bedroom door for the Bay window is directly next to the Front door... Image 4, being vaguely disguised with the coat that is hung up.....

So nothing on the lay out drawing about Flat 2 is accurate....(IMO)...


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Looking at the Drawing again which shows part of Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat, the area where it should be the bathroom and where on the other image it shows us a bath sink and toilet in that room... on the drawn image, you can see that that area says shower!

Image attached...
The Blocked off doorway to that Basement is...  the little alcove on the opposite side of the bathroom, to the left of the front room door...  That would make more sense , than going through one bedroom or room to get to another room.. (imo), And the bathroom would have lead to the other side of the basement originally...

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Oh what a tangle web they weaved,
When first they practiced to deceive....

 

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 Joanna Yeates was found on Christmas Morning on Longwood Lane... So we have been informed.. I constantly question that scenario, there's something all together wrong..

The insistence that her body was frozen but thawing.. That it had been on Longwood Lane for 8 days, that Dr Delaney had to wait days, to do the Post Mortem and until the Post Mortem was completed a cause of death could not be established..

I have always felt that there was something off with the waiting for the Post Mortem... The amount of Police on Longwood Lane on the day of the discovery of Joanna Yeates body leads me to believe that there was far more to this case, than the public would ever be told.

There was such a great show of strength and force from the Police that day ,along with the Fire Service.. But why the big show ??

Why The song and dance on Christmas Morning when for all intense and purposes ,Joanna Yeates was a Missing person.. The show that was put on for the publics gaze, was just that... To let us know that this was now incredibly serious... But how could the Police already know ???

Was Joanna Yeates abducted ??? were her parents right all along?? Had The Police received information as to her whereabouts???  Where there notes tied to the trees over the wall on the land above the tunnel??

I believe the Police knew she was dead... I believe the Police already knew that she was murdered before the Post Mortem had started... I believe they used the media for all it was worth, whilst hiding the fact that they already were aware of what happened to Joanna Yeates, well before we did...

I don't think she was on Longwood Lane for 8 days... They didn't apparently know that either...  But did they find her on Longwood Lane...  Did they find her sooner than the 25th December 2010...

It may appear odd that I am saying this.. But the reports that we have all seen and not really taken any great heed of, tell us a different tale than on the 27th December when DCI Phil Jones introduced himself to the public and made the claim  that this was NOW a Murder inquiry... making the 27th December 2010 The day that this Murder Investigation became live....

So how do you explain this ???? Channel 4 News 5th January 2011 The day ITV were banned...

A live murder investigation has been under way now for just twelve days and the media have played an important role in helping us to appeal for witnesses. While we appreciate the support we have received so far from most of the media we must step in if we feel coverage will hamper the investigation. Our primary aim will always be to secure justice for Joanna.

How was that possible?? 12 days...  If we include the day she is found on Longwood Lane that gives us exactly 12 days to the 5th January 2011..

How did this Murder Investigation Go Live on the 25th December 2010?? How when at this time nobody knew or should have known that Joanna Yeates had been 'Murdered"...

Channel 4 were not the only media to report this... "The Guardian"... "The Daily Mail" also reported the same story...

So how did they know that she had been Murdered by Christmas Day??? Her body cannot have been Frozen to the solid state that they lead us to believe if they already knew this... Therefore  she had either been Murdered later and held or had been kept somewhere and dumped nearer the time...

So what of the Forensics ??? The Frozen DNA This important piece of evidence that put Dr Vincent Tabak away... They told us that the Freezing conditions preserved this minute sample of DNA... But how can that be possible??

If Joanna Yeates body was in a condition where they decided that the "Murder Investigation" went Live, then Dr Delaney must have been able to do a lot more with Joanna Yeates body on Christmas Day, because he must have informed the Police that Joanna Yeates had indeed been Murdered and the 'Investigation Into her Murder ' went  Live..


Maybe you all think I am mistaken... Well it wouldn't be the first time people have said that.. But we always have to remember the odd things in this case that we can never quite understand and there is no rhyme or reason for them.. like Dr Vincent Tabak being charged with Murder from the 16th December 2010 to the 19th December 2010.. When Joanna Yeates apparently didn't go missing until the 17th December 2010 at the earliest... So why the charge from the day before ???

So yes..... I do believe that it is very likely that this Murder Investigation went live on the 25th December 2010.. we were just not really made aware of it... That would also explain the amount of Police Presence on Longwood Lane from Detectives who shouldn't have been milling around.. There where hoards of these detectives, all with their own files.. all making phone calls... So Yes I do believe that this "Murder Investigation went live on Christmas Day....

Therefore what does it say about the DNA... was it even on Joanna Yeates ?? Is this the reason for the low copy DNA?? Because they had to say something...

To be honest there should have been tons of samples of Low Copy DNA on Joanna Yeates ...  The transfer of DNA is easy... she had been in The Ram.. she had sat down on seats people had touched ...she had been to the toilet and sat on the seat there ... She had been at work all day... So the amount of transfer of Low Copy DNA should quite honestly be enormous... But they managed to capture a couple of tiny amounts that they let us believe belonged to Dr Vincent Tabak..

I don't think the DNA could be linked to anyone to be honest, and the sloppy protocol that the Forensics outside Joanna Yeates Flat have show, would make anyone question whether the spot of blood was in fact transfer and an error on their part....

So.. we were live on the 25th December 2010 How do you explain that one DCI Phil Jones ?????


Edit.... Is that the reason ITV were banned?? They might have questioned when this "Murder Investigation became Live????

https://www.channel4.com/news/police-search-for-joanna-yeates-missing-socks

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jan/05/itv-news-joanna-yeates-investigation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344366/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Detectives-ban-ITV-News-press-conference.html

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The Keys

Looking at the early clips where we still see the snow on the ground and it's in the first couple of days of the Investigation, there is a short clip that goes down the path and stops right outside Joanna Yeates door...

We then see finger print dust upon this door and we see a bunch of keys with 3 keys on it..

Who's keys do these belong to??

(1): Joanna Yeates Keys

(2):  Gregs Keys

(3): CJ's Keys


I always assumed that they were Joanna Yeates keys...  But they can't have been, i presume that they must have been taken away with her other possesions, then i wondered if they were Greg's..  But the same reason I thought that the keys couldn't be Greg Reardon's of Joanna yeates Flat keys was because a key was missing....

Where is the key for the car???? If the keys belonged to either one then the car key should have been there ....

So the keys must have been CJ's keys.... That then make me ask.. why have they got the keys to Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat, this early on in the Investigation????

http://www.gettyimages.ca/license/656487136

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Andrew Mott....Civilian possible Volunteer...

He was given a title in the media, but we know he's a civilian..

This I believe is the crux of this case... Who that were working on the Joanna Yeates case were volunteers???

I believe Avon and Somerset Police force employ a great deal of volunteers in their fight against crime ... Are the Polices faces volunteers?? DI Joe Goff.. is he a real Policeman or a Volunteer??

I'm quite surprised at the wide use of volunteers by Avon and Somerset Police.....

‘HOME GUARD’ OF POLICE
SUPPORT VOLUNTEERS TO FILL
IN FOR POLICE CUTS

We have a home Guard, which has been in operation for Years....  I want to establish, who these people are and what there roles were ... Was PC Martin Faithful an actual Police Officer when the Joanna Yeates case first happened... We know that he is a PC now in Nailsea... But did he start out as a Volunteer and was he still a volunteer when he attended Longwood Lane ???

A new ‘Home Guard’ of 9,000 police support volunteers has been quietly recruited by police
forces in England and Wales to replace the 15,000 police staff job cuts made by the
Conservative-led Government.
New research by UNISON, the biggest union for police staff, shows the alarming extent of
this growth in the use of volunteers. The research also highlights the ambition of some police
leaders to recruit volunteers into some of the most sensitive and demanding police staff
roles, despite assurances from the Home Office and from the College of Policing that none
of these volunteers is replacing a fully employed member of police staff.

I'm amazed....

Police Staff
The Role:
There are many interesting and varied police staff roles that play a direct or an
indirect critical part in keeping people safe. You could work as a Call Handler
taking 101 and 999 calls, provide the crucial Finance, Human Resources and IT
support to keep the business running, or support Investigation teams with media
appeals and briefings as a press officer in Corporate Communications. Whether
you’re looking for a career or a job to pay the bills, the opportunities are endless.

And...

Training:
Specialist training is provided as required. For example a Call Handler will have six
weeks training.

Is that what the roles of Martin faithful ,Andrew Mott and Joe Goff... where they just Police Staff???

Because we never really saw Joe Goff do anything but he had a role at the last Press Briefing... He didn't appear in court, yet he was on Crime Watch telling the world that The screams that were heard were the reason that they knew what time Joanna Yeates had been attacked and died.

Is this why the colleague that accompanied DC Karen Thomas to Holland was never named... because he/she was a volunteer??

If we have many Volunteer citizens who were used in this case, how do we know what they record is accurate...
Just like Peter Brotherton assumed the role of Chaplain.. How many Volunteers assumed the role of DI or Forensics Officer or any other role for that matter... Is this the reason the witness's are made up of written statements... Is this the reason 'Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson didn't appear in person in court because she wasn't trained for such a duty, but she was another of Avon and Somersets Volunteers... I couldn't understand why she didn't turn up at court , but a statement was read out instead, when Custody Nurses roles, are to attend court for trials...

Could we apply this possibility to many people ...Tanja Nickson... is she a volunteer??
                                                                       Lyndsey Farmer, Is she a volunteer??

Who were these people on this case ????  What about the people playing at being Forensic Officers at Canygne Road??? Were they Volunteers ??? They may have donned a white suit but many didn't have their hair covered or their shoes....

Who are these people who collected evidence ???? The CCTV?? The items from Canygne Road???  Is this the reason their names don't get mentioned in the Leveson Report, because when they refer to sending an Officer round somewhere, they might be an actual volunteer???

I've attached a pdf with some roles of Volunteers...  The Role of Police Viper is Interesting.. Is that what we see when we see the image of Dr Vincent Tabak upon his arrest???

Volunteering
VIPER® replaced the old style live “line up” Identification parade with a simple video process that uses volunteer video clips as “stand-ins” and is used all over the UK to help the Police bring criminals to justice.

A video identification parade is a short film shown to a witness as part of a Police investigation into an incident. The film shows the suspect and a number of volunteers moving their head from left to right, appearing against a similar grey background.

To provide a database of volunteer images, it is important to represent all age ranges, gender and ethnic appearance. Thousands of people need to be recorded to make this possible and this is why VIPER® asks the public to assist by volunteering.

Without the help of ordinary members of the general public VIPER® would not be able to assist the Criminal Justice System and more importantly victims of crime.

 

This is NOT Dr Vincent Tabak..imo.  It has never really looked like him to me... Is this an image from the Viper data base ???

That image has never looked quite right.. but I could never put my finger on it.... But now I think I may have .... 

We have seen many images that have been doctored which have Dr Vincent Tabak in them when he can't have been.. Like the image of Tanja Morson at her half way point of a run she is doing  and someone has added Dr Vincent Tabak to the image as if he is running along side her, when she is totally on her own in the original image...
So why should we believe this image of Dr Vincent Tabak that I have attached...

I think the role of Volunteer in The Joanna Yeates case needs proper scrutiny....(imo)




http://www.viper.police.uk/pages/volunteer.html

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/media/23925/2270-335-13%20Table.pdf

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/media/29280993/rep-workforce-booklet.pdf