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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on April 01, 2013, 03:44:57 AM
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(http://www.findmadeleine.com/images/age_progression_teaser.png)
An artists impression of what Maddy may now look like.
Thursday, 27 October, 2011
My grandparents always used to say that the years pass more quickly the older you get. It certainly feels that way. I still dream of being able to stop time. Our only alternative however is to continue doing as much as we can to the best of our ability to enhance the search for Madeleine. So that is what we’ll do.
Thank you to everyone who has bought and read my book. Not only is this helping to fund our investigation and campaign, it will also improve and maintain awareness of Madeleine and our need to find her. It seems obvious that the more people who are informed worldwide, the more eyes and ears Madeleine will have assisting the search for her. We are really grateful for your support.
We also appreciate the general public’s help in achieving a review of Madeleine’s case. It is a big relief to us that our government finally agreed for a review to take place. We are grateful to them and to the Metropolitan Police Service for undertaking this fundamental and highly valuable procedure which has been underway now for several months. Although it will be a lengthy and difficult process, it is definitely a major step forward for Madeleine.
I would also like to thank everyone who has written to us or sent their support in some way over the past six months. We have once again been touched by the incredible kindness and commitment shown to us and Madeleine, and bolstered by the continuing encouragement and positivity.
Kate
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
Yes I agree with all of the above 8(8-))
I just think that if Maddie was 'ordered' by a childless couple or paedophile ring then why her and if such a gang operated why have there not been repeats either in the vicinity or further afield?
Why oh why did the parents leave three small children, all aged 3 or under at the time, unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment? 8(8-))
This might sound harsh but I just think that had the McCanns been a working class family staying in a working class resort they might have been treated differently.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
Yes I agree with all of the above 8(8-))
I just think that if Maddie was 'ordered' by a childless couple or paedophile ring then why her and if such a gang operated why have there not been repeats either in the vicinity or further afield?
Why oh why did the parents leave three small children, all aged 3 or under at the time, unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment? 8(8-))
This might sound harsh but I just think that had the McCanns been a working class family staying in a working class resort they might have been treated differently.
Spot on Holly, a nice middle class couple got treated very sympathetically by the press in spite of clear parental neglect. Imagine how a working class "Chav" family would have been villified by the press if they had done the same thing.
The fact is when you're a parent you can't live your life free of responsibilities and indulge in your every whim like you did before children came along. Well, you could, but only if you arrange for your children to be supervised while you do so. How hard would it have been to arrange for someone to be looking after the children while they enjoyed themselves? Yet they were more interested in socialising. For these reasons I can't take to the McCanns at all. At best they are selfish and neglectful parents. At worst, well, I'll leave you to fill in the blanks!
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
Yes I agree with all of the above 8(8-))
I just think that if Maddie was 'ordered' by a childless couple or paedophile ring then why her and if such a gang operated why have there not been repeats either in the vicinity or further afield?
Why oh why did the parents leave three small children, all aged 3 or under at the time, unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment? 8(8-))
This might sound harsh but I just think that had the McCanns been a working class family staying in a working class resort they might have been treated differently.
Spot on Holly, a nice middle class couple got treated very sympathetically by the press in spite of clear parental neglect. Imagine how a working class "Chav" family would have been villified by the press if they had done the same thing.
The fact is when you're a parent you can't live your life free of responsibilities and indulge in your every whim like you did before children came along. Well, you could, but only if you arrange for your children to be supervised while you do so. How hard would it have been to arrange for someone to be looking after the children while they enjoyed themselves? Yet they were more interested in socialising. For these reasons I can't take to the McCanns at all. At best they are selfish and neglectful parents. At worst, well, I'll leave you to fill in the blanks!
I must agree to some extent, how hard would it have been for one of the so-called adults to have taken turns to look after all the kids? Excepting the one male who apparently is mentioned in the Gasper statement of course who allegedly made sexual innuendos about Maddie..
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Regarding the supposed protection by their middle class status, can people detail where such working class people have been worse treated.
This is 'Debunker's Challenge' which has never been successfully overturned:
Produce any comparable case (where children were left alone in a domestic setting, checked every 20 minutes, and with the parents having no previous recorded childcare or other social service or criminal history) which resulted in a child neglect conviction.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
This does not follow, although she might be. Some children do reappear after many years. My main concern is that Madeleine was very young and might have forgotten who she was.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
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(http://www.findmadeleine.com/images/age_progression_teaser.png)
An artists impression of what Maddy may now look like.
Thursday, 27 October, 2011
My grandparents always used to say that the years pass more quickly the older you get. It certainly feels that way. I still dream of being able to stop time. Our only alternative however is to continue doing as much as we can to the best of our ability to enhance the search for Madeleine. So that is what we’ll do.
Thank you to everyone who has bought and read my book. Not only is this helping to fund our investigation and campaign, it will also improve and maintain awareness of Madeleine and our need to find her. It seems obvious that the more people who are informed worldwide, the more eyes and ears Madeleine will have assisting the search for her. We are really grateful for your support.
We also appreciate the general public’s help in achieving a review of Madeleine’s case. It is a big relief to us that our government finally agreed for a review to take place. We are grateful to them and to the Metropolitan Police Service for undertaking this fundamental and highly valuable procedure which has been underway now for several months. Although it will be a lengthy and difficult process, it is definitely a major step forward for Madeleine.
I would also like to thank everyone who has written to us or sent their support in some way over the past six months. We have once again been touched by the incredible kindness and commitment shown to us and Madeleine, and bolstered by the continuing encouragement and positivity.
Kate
That woman is unbelievable. She chose to not respond to the questions that were posed to her even though she acknowledged that she knew that it could smear the investigation. She refused to do a polygraph test when offered to do it after she had promised to do one, she admitted on TV to never have physically searcedh for her daughter and yet condemns others for not doing so, she insulted police officers in her book that were there to help her. She is a disgrace.
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
Is that a serious question?
Are you not aware of the basic similarity that these were missing people/children who have after considerable time been found? They were missing, there was no evidence of their deaths, they were potentially findable. In their cases thankfully they were found.
Madeleine McCann is missing. There is no evidence of her death. She may possibly be found in the future.
If you cannot see that similarity then...
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Which questions ?
When ?
and what were the answers ?
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
Is that a serious question?
Are you not aware of the basic similarity that these were missing people/children who have after considerable time been found? They were missing, there was no evidence of their deaths, they were potentially findable. In their cases thankfully they were found.
Madeleine McCann is missing. There is no evidence of her death. She may possibly be found in the future.
If you cannot see that similarity then...
No you misunderstand.
In what ways were there similarities in the 'disappearances' ?
Also, of course, she may never be found.
Do you support funding to parents from the state for all missing children, with the same level of financial involvement offered ( over £ 3.8 million at the current estimate ), or are the Mccanns a separate case ?
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Yes, as an Arguida she had a legal right to refuse to answer any questions. But I ask you, if your child was missing would you not co-operate with the police that you wished would find your daughter?!
And by the way, their (hers and her husband and friends) testimonies were a "joke". I could not believe that people that had a child missing could be so stupid as that - and they were supposed to be literate.
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The line of questioning indicated that they were trying to fit her up. Any solicitor would recommend a 'no comment' response to such intimidating questions.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
Is that a serious question?
Are you not aware of the basic similarity that these were missing people/children who have after considerable time been found? They were missing, there was no evidence of their deaths, they were potentially findable. In their cases thankfully they were found.
Madeleine McCann is missing. There is no evidence of her death. She may possibly be found in the future.
If you cannot see that similarity then...
No you misunderstand.
In what ways were there similarities in the 'disappearances' ?
Also, of course, she may never be found.
Do you support funding to parents from the state for all missing children, with the same level of financial involvement offered ( over £ 3.8 million at the current estimate ), or are the Mccanns a separate case ?
I did not misunderstand at all. That is simply untrue.
I responded correctly to the question you posed in the earlier post.
It maybe that you did not phrase your original question properly.
You have now chosen to alter significantly the question posed.
And you have added a further entirely separate question.
I will consider the questions you have now posed and answer when I have thought about them.
In the meantime I hope you accept that my response to your original question was not due to misunderstanding. It would be interesting to see you respecting my actual response with a reply instead of merely ignoring it and posing different questions.
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
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All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Yes, as an Arguida she had a legal right to refuse to answer any questions. But I ask you, if your child was missing would you not co-operate with the police that you wished would find your daughter?!
And by the way, their (hers and her husband and friends) testimonies were a "joke". I could not believe that people that had a child missing could be so stupid as that - and they were supposed to be literate.
YOu recall their testimonies as a "joke".
WOuld you give examples with cites please.
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
Is that a serious question?
Are you not aware of the basic similarity that these were missing people/children who have after considerable time been found? They were missing, there was no evidence of their deaths, they were potentially findable. In their cases thankfully they were found.
Madeleine McCann is missing. There is no evidence of her death. She may possibly be found in the future.
If you cannot see that similarity then...
No you misunderstand.
In what ways were there similarities in the 'disappearances' ?
Also, of course, she may never be found.
Do you support funding to parents from the state for all missing children, with the same level of financial involvement offered ( over £ 3.8 million at the current estimate ), or are the Mccanns a separate case ?
I did not misunderstand at all. That is simply untrue.
I responded correctly to the question you posed in the earlier post.
It maybe that you did not phrase your original question properly.
You have now chosen to alter significantly the question posed.
And you have added a further entirely separate question.
I will consider the questions you have now posed and answer when I have thought about them.
In the meantime I hope you accept that my response to your original question was not due to misunderstanding. It would be interesting to see you respecting my actual response with a reply instead of merely ignoring it and posing different questions.
No problem.
I wasn't being rude.
I just don't believe after very nearly 6 years and not one trace of Madeleine that she will be found,m despite the worldwide publicity, and to be quite frank, which other missing child case in history has had the same level of publicity as this one ?
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I think Maddie is dead. But what happened to her, and by whom, im undecided.
as part of this i'll refer to little Ben Needham...
i really felt that they would find his body under that pile of earth and rubble , it would have solved a 22 year old mystery and might have gone some way to explaining Maddy's disappearance. i find it hard to beleive that someone can vanish for that length of time unless they were dead.
so the same applies to Maddy. if she hasnt been seen of since 2007 then surely she must be dead
Check out the following who all turned up years later:
Jaycee Lee Dugard
Natascha Kampusch
Elisabeth Fritzl
Also Claudia Lawrence who went missing from Leeds in 2009 is still missing.
In what ways are the cases comparable exactly ?
Is that a serious question?
Are you not aware of the basic similarity that these were missing people/children who have after considerable time been found? They were missing, there was no evidence of their deaths, they were potentially findable. In their cases thankfully they were found.
Madeleine McCann is missing. There is no evidence of her death. She may possibly be found in the future.
If you cannot see that similarity then...
No you misunderstand.
In what ways were there similarities in the 'disappearances' ?
Also, of course, she may never be found.
Do you support funding to parents from the state for all missing children, with the same level of financial involvement offered ( over £ 3.8 million at the current estimate ), or are the Mccanns a separate case ?
I did not misunderstand at all. That is simply untrue.
I responded correctly to the question you posed in the earlier post.
It maybe that you did not phrase your original question properly.
You have now chosen to alter significantly the question posed.
And you have added a further entirely separate question.
I will consider the questions you have now posed and answer when I have thought about them.
In the meantime I hope you accept that my response to your original question was not due to misunderstanding. It would be interesting to see you respecting my actual response with a reply instead of merely ignoring it and posing different questions.
No problem.
I wasn't being rude.
iIjust don't believe after very nearly 6 years and not one trace of Madeleine that she will be found,m despite the worldwide publicity, and to be quite frank, which other missing child case in history has had the same level of publicity as this one ?
None has had that level of publicity but there are two potential views. That there is no hope and that there is a possibility that she may be found. I prefer the latter. You clearly have decided on the former.
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Yes, as an Arguida she had a legal right to refuse to answer any questions. But I ask you, if your child was missing would you not co-operate with the police that you wished would find your daughter?!
And by the way, their (hers and her husband and friends) testimonies were a "joke". I could not believe that people that had a child missing could be so stupid as that - and they were supposed to be literate.
Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Yes, as an Arguida she had a legal right to refuse to answer any questions. But I ask you, if your child was missing would you not co-operate with the police that you wished would find your daughter?!
And by the way, their (hers and her husband and friends) testimonies were a "joke". I could not believe that people that had a child missing could be so stupid as that - and they were supposed to be literate.
My own view is that she was entirely within her rights to refuse to answer the questiions. And knowing what she then knew about the direction of the investigation (that it was focused entirely on her as responsible for her childs death) would you have been so willing to answer the questions which were posed and which had no bearing whatsoever on the finding of the child? It is perfectly clear from the questions that anyone knowing themself to be innocent would refuse to answer questions which had no bearing on the search for an abductor. Can you not see that?
As for your comment about the testimonies being a "joke". It appears to be another of your non-expert, expert opinions. Can you explain please what makes these testimonies the "joke" you claim or are you unable to support that claim with evidence?
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Kate McCann exercised her legal right as an Arguida not to answer what were insulting questions designed to implicate her.
And if you read The Questions properly you will see that she had already answered several of them on a previous occasion. It states this in The Questions.
None of The Questions were designed to help find Madeleine.
Who are you to say they are insulting questions ?
Try to remember it was the UK police who suggested the PJ investigated the Mccanns.
In any investigation questions have to be asked, whether a potential suspect likes them or not.
ALL potential suspects will be answered awkward questions.
Why should the Mccanns have been any different.
All suspects have a legal right to refuse to answer. And a lot of people do refuse.
I note that you are not interested in the fact that Kate had already answered several of them on a previous occasion.
Which questions ?
When ?
and what were the answers ?
You mean that you haven't read The 48 Questions? Some of them refer to Kate's previous answers.
Sadly, The PJ don't appear to have recorded Kate's answers, and her answers do not appear in The Files.