Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs didnt make sense new ninemsn article

[Brietta]

Is there a more reliable source than dogs.co.uk that this offer was made by the British and rejected by the Portuguese?

Terribly sorry but the SUN will have to do ...

Maddie hunt: Send in dogs The Sun
 
By Ian Hepburn and John Askill
Published: 23 May 2007
 
Stubborn Portuguese police chiefs are refusing to let the world's best sniffer dogs join the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
 
Senior British cops last night urged officers leading the inquiry to accept help from UK dog teams before it is too late.
 
Two dogs attached to Britain's National Policing Improvement Agency have developed such powerful tracking skills they can follow a scent for miles, even one up to 28 days old.
 
By sniffing an item of Maddie's clothing, they could trace a trail that might finally unlock the mystery of the four-year-old's disappearance.
 
Police in the Algarve appear no nearer to finding Maddie 20 days after she was snatched from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. But the sniffer dogs are still being snubbed.
 
A senior UK police source said: "It is an absolute scandal, time is fast running out for this little girl.
 
"These dogs have immense capability. Their tracking skills are among the finest in the world.
 
"The dogs were put on standby to go to the Algarve within days of Madeleine’s disappearance.
 
"You would expect the Portuguese to make use of the best resources available to them, but they repeatedly ignore the offers of assistance."
 
The dogs include a spaniel whose sense of smell is so keen she can sniff traces of blood on a weapon even after it has been scrubbed clean.
 
But the source warned: "They work most effectively within a 28-day time frame. After that the scent becomes much weaker."
 
Other British dog-handling teams did join the initial search for Maddie, and local cops later reported that dogs found a scent, but the trail was lost after 250 yards.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

[stephen25000]

Terribly sorry but the SUN will have to do ...

Maddie hunt: Send in dogs The Sun
 
By Ian Hepburn and John Askill
Published: 23 May 2007
 
Stubborn Portuguese police chiefs are refusing to let the world's best sniffer dogs join the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
 
Senior British cops last night urged officers leading the inquiry to accept help from UK dog teams before it is too late.
 
Two dogs attached to Britain's National Policing Improvement Agency have developed such powerful tracking skills they can follow a scent for miles, even one up to 28 days old.
 
By sniffing an item of Maddie's clothing, they could trace a trail that might finally unlock the mystery of the four-year-old's disappearance.
 
Police in the Algarve appear no nearer to finding Maddie 20 days after she was snatched from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. But the sniffer dogs are still being snubbed.
 
A senior UK police source said: "It is an absolute scandal, time is fast running out for this little girl.
 
"These dogs have immense capability. Their tracking skills are among the finest in the world.
 
"The dogs were put on standby to go to the Algarve within days of Madeleine’s disappearance.
 
"You would expect the Portuguese to make use of the best resources available to them, but they repeatedly ignore the offers of assistance."
 
The dogs include a spaniel whose sense of smell is so keen she can sniff traces of blood on a weapon even after it has been scrubbed clean.
 
But the source warned: "They work most effectively within a 28-day time frame. After that the scent becomes much weaker."
 
Other British dog-handling teams did join the initial search for Maddie, and local cops later reported that dogs found a scent, but the trail was lost after 250 yards.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

Ah, the Sun...

Enough said.

[pathfinder73]

Cadaver Dog Buster and the Black Dahlia Murder: The Scent of Death

[pathfinder73]

"The dog can detect things you can't see, even if it's a crime scene where someone had cleaned up blood. If there's a drop of blood that's been wiped up and you can't see it, the dog will find that. Then you bring in your forensic staff and let them concentrate on that spot so they can quickly determine if there's blood evidence in the house."

Paul Dotsie - Buster's handler

K9 CRIME-FIGHTER: BUSTER THE 3-LEGGED DOG FINDS BURIED BODIES
https://crimewatchdaily.com/videos/0-dmok8ljg/

[Eleanor]

There surely would have to be Bones or a Body to verify this?

[sadie]

"The dog can detect things you can't see, even if it's a crime scene where someone had cleaned up blood. If there's a drop of blood that's been wiped up and you can't see it, the dog will find that. Then you bring in your forensic staff and let them concentrate on that spot so they can quickly determine if there's blood evidence in the house."

Paul Dotsie - Buster's handler

K9 CRIME-FIGHTER: BUSTER THE 3-LEGGED DOG FINDS BURIED BODIES
https://crimewatchdaily.com/videos/0-dmok8ljg/

If the body had lain there for some time, Buster would alert to blood drained from it, even if cleaned up.


But that is cadavar blood Pathfinder.

[pathfinder73]

They alert to dried blood and blood dries very quickly.

When would I use a Human Remains Detection Dog?

Human Remains Detections dogs are best used for cases like buried bodies, aged disarticulations, old homicide or suicide cases, bone searches, blood evidence, residual scent, crime scenes, building searches, and vehicle searches.

What are the qualities and skills of a Human Remains Detection Dog?

The Human Remains Detection Dog is trained to alert on residual scent along with other faint scent sources like dried blood.

http://www.csst.org/faq.html

[ferryman]

Baloney they alert to dried blood and blood dries very quickly.

When would I use a Human Remains Detection Dog?

Human Remains Detections dogs are best used for cases like buried bodies, aged disarticulations, old homicide or suicide cases, bone searches, blood evidence, residual scent, crime scenes, building searches, and vehicle searches.

What are the qualities and skills of a Human Remains Detection Dog?

The Human Remains Detection Dog is trained to alert on residual scent along with other faint scent sources like dried blood.

http://www.csst.org/faq.html

But only if trained.

Morse, for example, wasn't.

From Grime's rogatory interview:

The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'?


Grime's answer.

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

[pathfinder73]

Morse also alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's room, and police discovered blood on Bianca's pillow.

Halverson also tested a blood sample from a pillow, which matched Bianca's DNA profile.

Grime worked with Morse, a dog “trained to search for and detect the odor of decomposing human remains."

Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

Specifically, the dogs are trained to smell decomposition, which means they can locate body parts, tissue, blood and bone. They can also detect residue scents, meaning they can tell if a body has been in a place, even if it’s not there any more.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/08/cadaver-dogs-trained-to-smell-death

[ferryman]

Morse also alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's room, and police discovered blood on Bianca's pillow.

Halverson also tested a blood sample from a pillow, which matched Bianca's DNA profile.

Grime worked with Morse, a dog “trained to search for and detect the odor of decomposing human remains."

Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

Specifically, the dogs are trained to smell decomposition, which means they can locate body parts, tissue, blood and bone. They can also detect residue scents, meaning they can tell if a body has been in a place, even if it’s not there any more.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/08/cadaver-dogs-trained-to-smell-death

So blood was present and Keela (trained to react to nothing but) didn't find it?

Why was that, do you suppose?

[G-Unit]

But only if trained.

Morse, for example, wasn't.

From Grime's rogatory interview:

The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'?


Grime's answer.

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

Morse was trained by our expert dog trainer Martin Grime and built up the same outstanding reputation as his other dogs;

Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.

"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."
Detroit News (link now deleted)
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4720-guilty-lane-guilty-of-murdering-his-daughter-bianca-jones-after-court-hears-cadaver-dog-evidence-from-martin-grime

[Eleanor]

Morse was trained by our expert dog trainer Martin Grime and built up the same outstanding reputation as his other dogs;

Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.

"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."
Detroit News (link now deleted)
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4720-guilty-lane-guilty-of-murdering-his-daughter-bianca-jones-after-court-hears-cadaver-dog-evidence-from-martin-grime

I don't see how it is possible to say that, unless Morse always found a body.  Did he?

[ferryman]

Morse was trained by our expert dog trainer Martin Grime and built up the same outstanding reputation as his other dogs;

Rex A. Stockham, forensic canine program manager for the FBI, also testified about Morse on Wednesday. He said the English springer spaniel is regularly tested for proficiency, and while no dog is perfect, Morse has been accurate.

"I'm aware of no false positives for Morse," he said. "We've never had any case yet where the dog has responded and it's been shown to be incorrect."
Detroit News (link now deleted)
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4720-guilty-lane-guilty-of-murdering-his-daughter-bianca-jones-after-court-hears-cadaver-dog-evidence-from-martin-grime

Morse was not introduced to blood as a discrete scent and rewarded for finding it.

That was the department of Keela, with whom Morse was teamed up by Grime.

[pathfinder73]

I don't see how it is possible to say that, unless Morse always found a body.  Did he?

You do not need a body to prove a murder case because if you hide a body police believe it's murder.

They can also detect residue scents, meaning they can tell if a body has been in a place, even if it’s not there any more.

In October 2013, a jury in Illinois convicted Aurelio Montano, 58, of the first-degree murder of his wife, despite the lack of a body, due in part to evidence provided by cadaver dogs who detected the scent of human remains on a rug.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/08/cadaver-dogs-trained-to-smell-death

Man gets life for murder of wife, who disappeared 24 years ago

A former Aurora resident was sentenced Monday to life in prison for the murder of his wife more than two decades ago in one of the first cases in Illinois where so-called "cadaver dogs" played a key role in obtaining a conviction.

Aurelio Montano, 58, already serving a life term for a drug-related double murder in 1996, was formally sentenced in Kane County court for killing his wife, Maria Guadalupe Montano, who was 35 when she disappeared in July 1990.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-02-10/news/chi-man-gets-life-for-murder-of-wife-who-disappeared-24-years-ago-20140210_1_aurelio-montano-maria-guadalupe-montano-maribel-barajas

On 23 February 2012, the advocate depute led evidence from a Lothian and Borders Police constable who told the court that they had enlisted the help of specially trained cadaver dogs from South Yorkshire Police to search the offices where David Gilroy and Suzanne Pilley worked. The dogs were specially trained to smell for blood and human remains. The court was told that the dogs, springer spaniels, had identified three areas of interest; one in the basement area of the offices, and two in the boot of David Gilroy's silver Vauxhall Vectra.[14]

David Gilroy, was arrested and charged with her murder. He was found guilty by majority verdict on 15 March 2012 and sentenced to life imprisonment. The judge ordered him to serve a minimum of 18 years in prison. The case is controversial because the prosecution obtained a murder conviction without a body. The body of Suzanne Pilley has never been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

Gilroy drove to Lochgilphead for work the day after Ms Pilley went missing, but the journey took around two hours longer than usual. Analysis of fuel consumption suggested that 124 miles of Mr Gilroy's journey were unaccounted. He also collected black bin bags from Lochgilphead.

An examination of Gilroy's car revealed vegetation and soli on the underside, said to be consistent with driving off-road.

Gilroy made 49 calls and sent 400 texts in a month to Ms Pilley. But they stopped on the morning she disappeared suggesting he knew she was dead.

A specialist cadaver dog picked up the scent of a body in the boot of his silver Vauxhall Vectra despite it appearing to have been sprayed with air freshener which Gilroy bought on the lunchtime of the day Ms Pilley went missing.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13414425.Exclusive__Convicted_killer_s_family_reveal_dossier_they_say_proves_innocence_over_Suzanne_Pilley_murder/

[Eleanor]

You do not need a body to prove a murder case because if you hide a body police believe it's murder.

They can also detect residue scents, meaning they can tell if a body has been in a place, even if it’s not there any more.

In October 2013, a jury in Illinois convicted Aurelio Montano, 58, of the first-degree murder of his wife, despite the lack of a body, due in part to evidence provided by cadaver dogs who detected the scent of human remains on a rug.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/08/cadaver-dogs-trained-to-smell-death

Man gets life for murder of wife, who disappeared 24 years ago

A former Aurora resident was sentenced Monday to life in prison for the murder of his wife more than two decades ago in one of the first cases in Illinois where so-called "cadaver dogs" played a key role in obtaining a conviction.

Aurelio Montano, 58, already serving a life term for a drug-related double murder in 1996, was formally sentenced in Kane County court for killing his wife, Maria Guadalupe Montano, who was 35 when she disappeared in July 1990.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-02-10/news/chi-man-gets-life-for-murder-of-wife-who-disappeared-24-years-ago-20140210_1_aurelio-montano-maria-guadalupe-montano-maribel-barajas

On 23 February 2012, the advocate depute led evidence from a Lothian and Borders Police constable who told the court that they had enlisted the help of specially trained cadaver dogs from South Yorkshire Police to search the offices where David Gilroy and Suzanne Pilley worked. The dogs were specially trained to smell for blood and human remains. The court was told that the dogs, springer spaniels, had identified three areas of interest; one in the basement area of the offices, and two in the boot of David Gilroy's silver Vauxhall Vectra.[14]

David Gilroy, was arrested and charged with her murder. He was found guilty by majority verdict on 15 March 2012 and sentenced to life imprisonment. The judge ordered him to serve a minimum of 18 years in prison. The case is controversial because the prosecution obtained a murder conviction without a body. The body of Suzanne Pilley has never been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

Gilroy drove to Lochgilphead for work the day after Ms Pilley went missing, but the journey took around two hours longer than usual. Analysis of fuel consumption suggested that 124 miles of Mr Gilroy's journey were unaccounted. He also collected black bin bags from Lochgilphead.

An examination of Gilroy's car revealed vegetation and soli on the underside, said to be consistent with driving off-road.

Gilroy made 49 calls and sent 400 texts in a month to Ms Pilley. But they stopped on the morning she disappeared suggesting he knew she was dead.

A specialist cadaver dog picked up the scent of a body in the boot of his silver Vauxhall Vectra despite it appearing to have been sprayed with air freshener which Gilroy bought on the lunchtime of the day Ms Pilley went missing.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13414425.Exclusive__Convicted_killer_s_family_reveal_dossier_they_say_proves_innocence_over_Suzanne_Pilley_murder/

Hardly just the evidence of a Cadaver Dog.