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Offline Angelo222

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #991 on: December 29, 2013, 02:39:37 PM »
The Sunday Times

Kate and Gerry McCann and Madeleine's Fund

Published: 28 December 2013

In articles dated October 23 ("Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years" and "Investigators had E-Fits five years ago", News) we referred to efits which were included in a report prepared by private investigators for the McCanns and the Fund in 2008. We accept that the articles may have been understood to suggest that the McCanns had withheld information from the authorities. This was not the case. We now understand and accept that the efits had been provided to the Portuguese and Leicestershire police by October 2009. We also understand that a copy of the final report including the efits was passed to the Metropolitan police in August 2011, shortly after it commenced its review. We apologise for the distress caused."

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/regulars/corrections/article1357081.ece


So what I would like to know is, where did channel 4 get their information from prior to the Sunday Times article being printed?

Simon Israel:

" These are 2 e-fits of the same man. A man who may hold the key to Madeleine McCanns disappearance.
They've been shut away in a private investigation file for 5 years.
They were compiled from 2 witness accounts on the night Madeleine disappeared, but never handed over to the Portuguese investigation. Now British police are treating them with the utmost importance"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5w21mREDqtI
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Lyall

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #992 on: December 29, 2013, 02:47:43 PM »
Well that certainly clears that matter up.

Not. October 2009? >@@(*&) Why is there never any urgency?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #993 on: December 29, 2013, 02:48:20 PM »

Published: 28 December 2013
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In articles dated October 23
Amazing reactivity !

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #994 on: December 29, 2013, 03:57:32 PM »
Readers should note that this article was pulled by the Sunday Times shortly after going to press and was replaced by a somewhat watered down version in The Times the following day.

On Sunday 29 December the Sunday Times printed a retraction and an apology for suggesting that the e-fits were suppressed for 5 years. They now claim that the e-fits were passed to police as early as October 2009 which is still over two years after they were created by Kevin Halligen and Oakley International.

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/regulars/corrections/article1357081.ece





Sunday Times - paper edition 27 October 2013

Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years



             Madeleine disappeared from her parents holiday apartment in the
                       Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on 3rd May 2007



THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.

The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.

It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.

But the trail was left to go cold for five years because the McCanns and their advisers sidelined the report and threatened to sue its authors if they divulged the contents.

The report, seen by the Sunday Times, called for the E-Fits to be released immediately and said "anomalies" in statements by the McCanns and their friends must be resolved.

A source close to the McCanns said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if made public.

[Page 4]

The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports

The team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by Kate and Gerry McCann to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.

It was the spring of 2008, 10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.

But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public.

Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.

One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.

The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.

Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund. A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.

Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.

It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.

The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.

The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.

The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.

The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes. The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.


"The report questioned 'anomalies' in the McCanns' statements"


The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.

Investigators had E-Fits five years ago

One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.

The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.

Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.

Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”

Insight: Heidi Blake and Jonathan Calvert


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id285.html
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Redblossom

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #995 on: December 29, 2013, 04:19:02 PM »
Whatever the truth is about who had them and when, and truth be told no one really knows, fact remains the mccanns did nothing with these important efits of a man seen on the actual night with a blonde 4 yr old or so child in pyjamas......not a pip squeak out of them since they were in their possession in late 2008...not in any interview on TV, not in KMs book, under key suspects...nowhere..... In fact they went on to make their documentary Madeleine Was Here months later in spring 2009 and promoted the idea in that that Tannerman was the same person as Smithman! He must have stopped off for a haircut in that 45 minutes!

And why did it take the Mccanns a year to hand them over to PJ and LP as alledged? No urgency again.

And so they were handed over to SY in August 2011? 3/4 months after they began their review....that sense of urgency again! But no, the Times told us SY could not get them from Oakley International before them getting written permission off the Mccanns....why the need for this if they were handed over to PJ and LP...SY had all their files from 2011...I also wonder why it took two years for SY to release these efits? What a dogs dinner.
Fact remains Mccanns and their investigators did withhold these efits from the public, the public who they asked for info on the most untenable of other "suspects" and not the elephant in the room one!!!

 >@@(*&)
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #996 on: December 29, 2013, 06:45:31 PM »
What this thread shows me is how gullible the anti McCann posters are. you see an article that criticises the McCanns and you are happy to believe every word. As I have said before This is why your conclusions are so way off the mark. It really indicates a lack of intelligence. I don't have time now but later will show where the holes are in this article. I will give you one pointer....why did the relationship with the McCanns and the investigators fail....could it have anything to do with the antics of Halligan...the convicted fraudster


 I have been criticised all through this thread for stating that the article would be challenged with possible legal action...looks like I have been proved right

Redblossom

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #997 on: December 29, 2013, 06:51:47 PM »
says it all if one bows down to legal action versus any TRUTH....shudder.......My post 1012 stands lol...nite davel....

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Online Eleanor

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #998 on: December 30, 2013, 05:48:56 AM »
says it all if one bows down to legal action versus any TRUTH....shudder.......My post 1012 stands lol...nite davel....

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So who exactly are you accusing of lying?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #999 on: December 30, 2013, 09:29:21 AM »
says it all if one bows down to legal action versus any TRUTH....shudder.......My post 1012 stands lol...nite davel....

 8**8:/:

You have got it back to front...legal action prevents lies........the TRUTH is sacred and untouchable by libel laws...you need to get your facts right

stephen25000

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1000 on: December 30, 2013, 09:45:20 AM »
You have got it back to front...legal action prevents lies........the TRUTH is sacred and untouchable by libel laws...you need to get your facts right

How naive.

Legal action or the threat of legal action is also used to cover the truth.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1001 on: December 30, 2013, 09:48:19 AM »
How naive.

Legal action or the threat of legal action is also used to cover the truth.

 you are wrong...if the times can show the article is true then they do not have to fear legal action

Offline Victoria

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1002 on: December 30, 2013, 09:49:59 AM »

 I have been criticised all through this thread for stating that the article would be challenged with possible legal action...looks like I have been proved right

Quite right, davel. Not that anyone here will learn anything from this sorry episode.

stephen25000

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1003 on: December 30, 2013, 09:52:45 AM »
you are wrong...if the times can show the article is true then they do not have to fear legal action

I wasn't just referring to this case.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1004 on: December 30, 2013, 09:53:53 AM »
I wasn't just referring to this case.

 Then you are off topic