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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3105 on: December 20, 2018, 04:18:13 PM »


Caroline.. This whole case appears pointless to me....  An entire case based on tweets, then reports in media made after.....(it appears)

I could find tweets forever.... And what is the point.... I keep saying, I do not understand this case.... It makes no sense to me whatsoever....

It could be about anything..... there is no more to say..... That hasn't already been said, and people somewhere  must know what it's all about because I certainly do not....

It is a case built on tweets as far as I can see.....  So why was a thread even started on this case, ?? i don't know..

Everyones entitled to their opinion...

My opinion is just that (mo).... means nothing, I say nothing ... I have come up with nothing.... thousands of posts based on nothing..... opinions based on nothing... scenarios based on nothing... theories based on nothing.....

I have found Nothing..... No one is guilty of anything...... nothing about this appears real to me....

Pointless.... completely pointless......

And that is it.....  Years of nothing based on nothing....




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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3106 on: December 21, 2018, 02:45:43 PM »
Because, I believe that we all just fall for what is reported and do not take notice really....

Remember this image:

The image that demonstrates how each of the two basement flats were seperated......

Then there was the actual floor layout....




Those images bothered me....

Now the drawn layout is in the daily mail on the 18th January 2011... Thats a puzzler to be honest... how would they get hold of this floor plan that easily..... especially just showing the basement flats....  Cooperation would be needed for them to be able to get that (imo)....  Or is it possible that anyone can just ask for the floor layout of any building???

Now I wouldn't have come back to this other than today I found the floor plan layout on twitter.....

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@Rupertevelyn
Here's a floor plan of Flat 1 & 2, 44 Canynge Rd. Joanna & Greg's flat is on the right


11:47 PM - 12 Oct 2011

Now if you look at the full floor plan above, it cannot be Joanna Yeates Flat.... Yes someone has drawn around an area in blue to make us think that this is Joanna Yeates Flat....

We have

* 1 Bedroom

* 1 Hallway

* 1 Bathroom

*1 Kitchen

* 1 Living Room

And if you look to the left it shows what is supposed to be Dr Vincent tabaks Flat....

We have

* 2 Bedrooms

* 1 bathroom

* 1 Living Room

* 1 Kitchen

* 1 Store

* 1 Hallway

Now it's a case of spot the difference, or should I say spot the obvious..... Up until now I only had the half plan and a digital drawing to go from to see the layout, but the whole drawing tells us a different story all together.....

Looking at the blue mark that seperates the two apparent dwellings...... Look at the kitchen of Joanna Yeates Flat, you will notice how the area where the window is juts out and is visible as the window..... Then next to it is the hall..

Again the area juts out....... And that is my point... it is marked in the same way as a window on the plan and not a doorway, because if you look at the Flat that is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat, the door way to the Flat is clearly marked with a diagonal line opening into the hall... Yet we do not have the same on the plan of what is supposed to be Joanna Yeates Flat....

It clearly look like all the other windows marked on the plan..... Rather than a doorway leading into a Hall....

The only thing that makes them into two Flats is the blue line, which has clearly been added to this, but we have what appears to be a copy of the original with a yellow sticker added with a barcode.....

No date appears on this plan.... No address appears on this plan.....  So who says it is 44, Canygne Road??

Another observation is the bottom right hand side of the Flat that is supposed to be Joanna Yeates at 44, Canygne Road.. Again the blue line there juts out, at first I thought it was an alcove, but I do not believe it is, because the alcove in the bedroom isn't marked in the same way....  So that too has to be a window of sorts, meaning that this plan is not 44, Canygne Road, even though we have been lead to believe that it is.....

I repeat, looking at the plan all door openings are marked with a line.... And there isn't a line for what is supposed to be the doorway of Flat 1  44,Canygne Road...

The Flat that is supposed to be Flat 2 has the doorway entrance to the hall marked with a line....

So that cannot be 44,Canygne Road as we have been lead to believe (imo)....

So what did the Flat/Flats really look like ??  And why the deception??

Again I can only come up with the answer that its fake news.... nothing else makes sense to me....


https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/124375683312001024

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348132/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Greg-Reardon-joins-family-plea-shielding-murderer.html

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3107 on: December 21, 2018, 03:06:37 PM »
Hello change the name and do the same.   Both plans are the same as well.  8((()*/
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3108 on: December 21, 2018, 03:30:28 PM »
.............
Why delete your post, and why the interest in Chris. Jefferies' flat?

It was directly above Vincent Tabak's, but you probably already know that, see graphic... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363708/Joanna-Yeatess-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-released-charge-puts-Bristol-flat-sale.html
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3109 on: December 21, 2018, 05:46:23 PM »
Why delete your post, and why the interest in Chris. Jefferies' flat?

It was directly above Vincent Tabak's, but you probably already know that, see graphic... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363708/Joanna-Yeatess-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-released-charge-puts-Bristol-flat-sale.html

Thanks Myster..... 



That shows it above the bay window... which I would call the hallway flat..... But it only shows half of it in that image ...

But I have since found this.....

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Key features
A stunning, light and particularly spacious hall floor apartment, on the outskirts of Clifton Village Large kitchen / breakfast room Use of a stunning communal garden to the front and a further communal garden to the rear Off street parking for one car
Full description
An absolutely stunning, light and particularly spacious hall floor apartment, the likes of which very rarely come to the market in this sought after location, within a quiet residential area close to Clifton Village.

Canynge Road is one of the most desired roads and areas within Clifton due to it's quiet but convenient location and the sense of community within the area. The subject flat offers superbly spacious accommodation within what would have been the original reception rooms of this imposing detached Victorian townhouse. There is a large living room with an attractive south west facing bay window, over looking a very well kept communal garden to the front, and a very spacious kitchen/dining room offering the same outlook and aspect. There are three bedrooms all of which offer more than enough room for a double bed, the master bedroom being particularly spacious. The bedrooms are served by a beautifully appointed bathroom and a further shower room.

Outside the property offers off street parking for one car and use of a stunning communal garden to the front and a further communal garden to the rear.
Other Information - Tenure - We understand to be the remainder of a 999 year lease from 1st January 1989
Service charge - We understand to be £45 per per calendar month
Local authority - Bristol City Council - 0117922 2000
Council tax band - E
Viewings - With sole agents Hydes of Bristol - 01179731516 or post@hydes.co.uk

Location - Canynge Road is a residential location held in particularly high regard as a place to live within Clifton. The immediate environment is rich in tree lined streets and beautiful Georgian and Victorian architecture. Clifton Village, with its shops, boutiques and restaurants, is a short walk across Christchurch Green. Convenient bus routes provide easy access to the city centre which is only one and a half miles away as is the M32 and Bristol Temple Meads railway station. Also nearby, are the open spaces of Clifton Downs, Bristol Zoo and the suspension bridge, which allows easy access to North Somerset. The area is particularly well served by schools in both state and private sectors with Clifton College, Clifton High School and Christchurch Primary School all within easy walking distance of the property.

 Flat 3 44, Canygne Road... so which floor is that on?? I say that because of the Hallway Flat, but logic tells us which Flat it is.....

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-67561261.html



Which looks like it goes off the main entrance.... But then we have the 'Hallway Flat'

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/hall-floor-flat/44-canynge-road/clifton/bristol/bs8-3lq/27161157

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Property details for
Hall Floor Flat, 44 Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol BS8 3LQ

Then we have the 2 bed flat

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/44-canynge-road/clifton/bristol/bs8-3lq/2693071

So from your link, CJ's Flat looks small.... ( I never understood how it went on the market at that time to be honest, as he is away from the flat apparently)...

But this advertisement for Flat 3 44, Canygne Road clearly shows is covers an entire floor of that building.... That why I want to know where The hallway Flat is?? as this advertisement clearly shows it has to be the flat with the bay window above the flat that is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak's with a bay window...

The only other flat with a bay window that goes through to the back of the building.... no other flat in that building has a bay window, and a bay window front and back.....



This image clearly demonstrates that Flat 3 is directly above the basement flat/flats., which CJ was supposed to live in.... But the link you have provided for CJ's Flat make it look small, and therefore which Flat did CJ live in??

Because this advert is clearly showing us that Flat 3 is enormous....  Also this Flat doesn't have a designated car parking space like the basement Flats.... Both gardens are clearly communal..... 

So which Flats had a designated car parking space??

We have talked about CJ's car being parked on the road..... well if Flat 3 is supposed to be his Flat he cannot have had a designated car park space, and that was why he parked on the road.... But if Flat 3 wasn't CJ's Flat which one was?? And what became of the Hallway Flat??

And was the Hallway Flat, the Flat that Dr Vincent Tabak lived in, therefore having to gain entrance  to said flat via the main entrance??

The layout of these flats is important in assertaining who lived where..... This Flat 3 44, Canygne Road just adds to the confusion....


But if you look at the layout image I have put on here and the look at the photographs from the inside of the Flat they don't add up....

The layout plan image shows square rooms, yet the images inside the flat show odd angles..... so which is correct??

The images I have looked at again... They are clearly the flat above the basement.... But the plan...(imo), has to be of the basement..... (imo)

The image of the kitchen, the wall to the left is on an angle , which is understandable when there is an outside hallway to consider.... But that is not shown on the plan, as I have stated.... The Kitchen is completely square....


The plan and the images do not match!!  Go figure......

Check out the images from the advert.... The bedroom that is bedroom 2 has the orange blind that we see at the back of the house from the images from years ago.... Going slightly of post... The odd thing I noticed was the snowboarding photograph on the wall...  Didn't Joanna Yeates snowboard... ( There's a lot of people snowboarding in that house...) Anyway the images establish it is the flat above the basement...

But who's Flat is it and what happened to the Hallway Flat?

Check out the pdf also... as well as the images on the advert...

https://www.vebra.com/details/property/28201298, then click on the pdf

https://www.vebra.com/details/property/floorplan/28201298

From the pdf
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An absolutely stunning, spacious 3 bed hall floor flat. There
is a large living room with an attractive SW facing bay
window, a spacious kitchen/dining room, 3 bedrooms all of
which offer more than enough room for a double bed.  The
bedrooms are served by a beautifully appointed bathroom
and a further shower room. Outside the property offers off
street parking for one car and use of a stunning communal
garden to the front and a further communal garden to the
rear.

The floor plan clearly shows front to back and side to side, but the room shapes appear wrong.... The pdf says Hall Floor flat.... so when did it change it's number to Flat 3?  As The Hallway Flat has a different advert previously...

So Myster I am completely confused here....

We have the for rent advert also of Flat 2;
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england

But when we look at the image of the kitchen, the kitchen is clearly not on the basement level....



Not only that it makes the Flat even higher up on the building if Flat 3 has the entire ground floor at hallway main entrance level.., therefore possibly meaning the numbers of the flats start from the top in that case....  when viewing the front room of Flat 2, you can determine it is above Flat 3....

But that therefore is who's Flat??



This image of CJ's Flat has to be on the 3rd floor... to the left of the building 2 floors up from what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat.... But  Flat 2 is also higher up... meaning the basement has to be just one flat..... And Dr Vincent Tabak didn't live in the basement..... Making the basement a singular flat... with which occupants I do not know...

All I know Myster... Is that building makes no sense... just like everything else.... You could do this until the cows come home.... Nothing changes.... And nothing still makes sense....

And you wonder why I say its all made up.... Makes no sense... end of.....

Again click on the slide show of Flat 3... the image of the kitchen clearly shows an angled room.....

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-67561261.html

So Myster, where does all of this information lead us too??  too many flats of similar numbers in one house... Odd that... No sense... No sense at all.....

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg438674#msg438674

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg439071#msg439071

Edit..

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32871173.html (Cj's)

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html ( Flat 1)

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-29859883.html ( Flat 2??)
 or is what I believed to be Flat 2 actually Flat 1?? or flat 4, 5 ,6 or ,7

How many flats in that building seriously??

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Full description
We are pleased to offer this newly refurbished lower ground floor flat in this imposing period property located on one of Clifton s most sought after residential roads. The flat offers two well proportioned double bedrooms, a very spacious living/dining room with a bay window and feature fireplace, a newly installed bathroom with a shower over the bath, galley style kicthen and an adjoining utility room with the appliances. The flat is newly carpeted and decorated throughout, is offered on an unfurnished basis and further benefits from use of the rear garden and an allocated off street parking space.

That quote is from Flat 2... So where was the utility room in Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat?? not shown on the Floor plan I posted earlier today...

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3110 on: December 21, 2018, 05:54:19 PM »
Nothing Makes sense..... Completely pointless... As I have said .....

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3111 on: December 21, 2018, 06:13:16 PM »
Here we go......

Flat 1: Joanna Yeates Flat  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

Flat 2 :Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat ???

This is CJ's Flat:  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32871173.html

This is the 2 bed flat https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england

And this is Flat 3: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-67561261.html


That gives us 5 flats.... not much left really....   try fitting them into that house, there a puzzle for you....!

Edit...  Not forgetting The Hall Flat... https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/hall-floor-flat/44-canynge-road/clifton/bristol/bs8-3lq/27161157

Which one is that??

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418454#msg418454

This from Nina http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418450#msg418450

Chris Jefferies lived and owned and sold Flat 3 and had nothing to do with Mrs Clark, flatwise, apart from the Management Company.


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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3112 on: December 21, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »
Here we go......

Flat 1: Joanna Yeates Flat  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

Flat 2 :Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat ???    This flat is the same as.......

This is CJ's Flat:  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32871173.html

This is the 2* bed flat https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england   
..... this one, and it only has 1 bedroom, not 2*      Read the advert again.

And this is Flat 3: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-67561261.html


That gives us 5 flats.... not much left really....   try fitting them into that house, there a puzzle for you....!

Edit...  Not forgetting The Hall Flat... https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/hall-floor-flat/44-canynge-road/clifton/bristol/bs8-3lq/27161157

Which one is that??  Probably the same as one of the above!

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418454#msg418454

This from Nina http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418450#msg418450

The rooms are not funny shapes, it's just that the photographer has used a wide-angle lens to get as much of each room in the frame as possible, which has resulted in distortion.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3113 on: December 21, 2018, 08:05:44 PM »
Nine... forget about all the above, you're not only confusing yourself but others too.

The only thing that matters in this case is the fact that Jo Yeates lived in basement flat 1 and Vincent Tabak in basement flat 2, as in the original plan and graphic. Clear your mind of all the other flats in that block because your clearly driving yourself insane.... and wasting web space in the process..
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3114 on: December 21, 2018, 10:10:16 PM »
The rooms are not funny shapes, it's just that the photographer has used a wide-angle lens to get as much of each room in the frame as possible, which has resulted in distortion.


Here we go......

Flat 1: Joanna Yeates Flat  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

Flat 2 :Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat ???    This flat is the same as.......

This is CJ's Flat:  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32871173.html

This is the 2* bed flat https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england   
..... this one, and it only has 1 bedroom, not 2*      Read the advert again.

Here we go......

Flat 1: Joanna Yeates Flat  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

Flat 2 :Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat ???    This flat is the same as.......

This is CJ's Flat:  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32871173.html

This is the 2* bed flat https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england   
..... this one, and it only has 1 bedroom, not 2*      Read the advert again.

And this is Flat 3: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-67561261.html


That gives us 5 flats.... not much left really....   try fitting them into that house, there a puzzle for you....!

Edit...  Not forgetting The Hall Flat... https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/hall-floor-flat/44-canynge-road/clifton/bristol/bs8-3lq/27161157

Which one is that?? Probably the same as one of the above!

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418454#msg418454

This from Nina http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg418450#msg418450

 I have highlighted your response to my post in bold myster..... And.....Flat 2 was supposed to have 2 bedrooms...... Dr Vincent Tabak apparently put Joanna yeates down in the second bedroom .... we have always been lead to believe that the glass panelled door at the back was Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat, but that cannot be so looking at the adverts....

So which Flat is that one listed here???

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england

And why does it have England in the description of the listing??

The other listings don't....  Therefore the listing has to be what we believed to be Flat 1 ... But it's listing tells us it is actually  Flat 2

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Land Registry sold prices
Basement Flat 2, 44 Canynge Road, Bristol, City Of Bristol BS8 3LQ
Sale Date   Property   Price Paid   Source
05 Mar 1999   Flat, Leasehold   £97,500   Land Registry
17 Nov 1995   Flat, Leasehold   £73,500   Land Registry Previously listed on Rightmove on May 2017
1 bedroom property

Flat 2 which we have been told is where Dr Vincent Tabak lived is supposed to have the bay window to the front room.... we have seen it many times...... But the image below of Flat 2's front room doesn't have a bay window....



This hasn't.......

So the Flat we know as Joanna Yeates Flat has to be Flat 2....

And the bathroom has to be around the back because it has a window.... And is next to the bedroom...



And the bedroom is also around the back, it has a sink in the corner, which makes sense, as before I pointed out the pipes in that corner... Not only that the chimney breast is to the right, making Flat 2 Joanna yeates Flat....



So Joanna Yeates Flat that we know as Flat 1 is actually Flat 2, where Dr Vincent Tabak apparently lived...

Therefore Joanna Yeates has to be the Flat with the glass panelled door at the back...Because that should be Flat 1.. meaning that if Dr Vincent Tabak walked passed the kitchen window she wouldn't have seen him as the height of that window and the gradient of the pavement means she would be looking at his legs..... NO WAVING!!



This is why the Flats and were they are in the house is important, if all this is apparently true....
If it  is fake news... not real... then it doesn't matter....

Myster... something with these Flats has gotta give..... They make no sense.... Which is problematic If Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to walk from the glass panelled door of his apparent flat, across the back of the building, turning right onto Joanna Yeates pavement, and passing Flat 1's kitchen and arriving at the door...

then.... apparently killing her in said flat and carrying her back to the Flat with the glass panelled door...

The logistics cannot work.....

So which Flat is which is massively important........ seeing as Dr Vincent Tabak took the stand and explained what he apparently did....


The advert says basement Flat ( Flat 2)... So a one bedroom basement flat with a bedroom to the rear and the bathroom to the rear, making Flat 1 which was supposed to be the flat that Joanna Yeates lived in even more staged.... (imo)

As this advert shows us:  https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-27696067.html

Don't forget the tour of Joanna Yeates Flat.... Well was it her Flat?? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLcJWjTQ0bc

It's all a load of rubbish Myster....  I have said I have been chasing a ghost.... Do not know what is real or not anymore.... But I can honestly say it doesn't add up....

Nothing Makes Sense....... It has Never Made sense...... It's all barking....

Edit... Just to fuddle our minds a little further.... How could Dr Vincent tabak walk down the path of flat we have been told is Joanna yeates Flat... which in fact has to be flat 2... to the little gate apparently passing Joanna yeates kitchen window.... ??

If he lived in Flat 2 and not the glass panelled door flat... then the light came on as he was leaving to go to ASDA!! And Zoe Lehman must have seen him... also how does CJ account for seeing people at the little gate...

It reminds me of an episode from "SOAP"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSaNWYHmUvI

Double Edit.. So Dr Vincent Tabak went out of Flat 2 which we see in the advert, and didn't have a glass panelled door to the road to get his car to start... And unless he parked his car on the drive he wouldn't have passed Joanna yeates kitchen window next to the drive where you cannot see anyone because of the gradient....

I'm now getting images of The Lost Honour of CJ....  has to be a work of fiction, if he has Dr Vincent Tabak at the glass panelled door... (imo)




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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3115 on: December 21, 2018, 10:21:32 PM »
The back of Canygne Road



Glass panelled door and bay window belong to same Flat... That has to be Flat 1....

windows to the left... first window has to be the bathroom of Flat 2 and second window has to be the bedroom of Flat 2 as the advert tells us:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=65287373&sale=31580664&country=england

Someones been pulling my dangler.... !!

Argg... It's mental.... It makes no sense....


The windmills of someones bloody mind....!!!!

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3116 on: December 22, 2018, 09:02:54 AM »
Chris Jefferies lived and owned and sold Flat 3 and had nothing to do with Mrs Clark, flatwise, apart from the Management Company.

Live owned and sold....  Then I wondered did he live at Flat 3 44, Canygne Road in December 2010, more importantly between 17th December 2010 and April 2011, when he says he moved back...

He's arrested and removed from his Flat without anyone seeing him, even though the Police and media are camped outside...

Well if all cameras are pointing to 44,Canygne Road and he lives elsewhere on that street, I can see how they managed to get him away un-noticed..

I remember him saying he was accosted outside his home by the media....  These clips of him have always shown him leaving 2 different address's on the street..

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/christopher-jefferies-as-speaks-to-press-news-footage/659112550

On this video he goes from outside 44 Canygne Road across to the opposite side of the road...

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/christopher-jefferies-wins-libel-damages-from-eight-news-footage/655156308

So is this image of his Flat for sale  a flat on the opposite side of the road from 44 Canygne Road looking at the video's of CJ and the house sales at 44, Canygne Road.. ???



A case that couldn't get any weirder....

I could never understand how the people at 44, Canygne Road were harrassed daily by the Police... But was it empty that building when the Police were there??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/report-published-victims-of-media-intrusion-england-news-footage/652792404

That clip showing him leaving the main entrance of the house could be because he's just checking the properties as its a management company..  That would be one way of explaining it...

this image;


It has to be on the opposite side of the road, look at the fence.... So this is Flat 2, ... Was this where Dr Vincent Tabak lived??

Everything I see with this case is opposite to what we believe, there is 2 of everything.. So where did Joanna yeates actually live??



This picture of Dr Vincent Tabak in the garden..... which Garden??

Did everything happen across the road??  Who lived where??

Adjacent, rings in my ears... it was mentioned early.... so that must mean that Dr Vincent Tabak lived on the opposite side of the road, then why would he go past Joanna yeates kitchen window?

I have even less idea whats going on....

Chris Jefferies to my knowledge has never lived in any flat but Flat 3. It was only when he inherited from his mother or aunt that he bought the basements as they became available. It was a tad before my time so I don't know whether he bought them together or one at a time.

Chris Jefferies lived in Flat 3 the one with the large bay window by the front door. So logic says that the window to the right of the door is Flat 4. I've always had the impression that the top floor was all one flat. Flat 6 is above Flat 3. Those two have been sold since 2010 but both parties still remain active directors of the management company for no.44.

You can put whatever number or letter on your door so long as the house remains no.44 on the outside. So how it is numbered you can only guess. I'm certainly not walking up and taking a look at the door plate!!

And Flat 3 of 44, Canygne Road is huge...  He may have lived there at some point, but I get the impression that he didn't at the time...  As we know Flat 4 has to be on a different level in that building, seeing as Flat 3 takes up the entire floor...

There an image on here somewhere of the door panel to 44, and i cannot remember the numbers upon it...

Smoke and Mirrors.... I will never have any idea what this case is about... It will never make sense..

Nine you need to stop investigating people who have lived at no.44, what do they have to do with the murder of Joanna Yeates, nothing IMO.

I thought that this was all about the murder of Joanna and that VT was innocent, not about people who have lived at the address and then putting the data you have found online. These people and their flats have nothing to do with the murder IMO and you are invading their privacy.

See Nina, you are correct there, what has 44, Canygne Road to do with anything??  Or the people who lived there... If there is a doubt as to where people could have actually lived , then there is a doubt about 44, Canygne Road.... And my apologises to the people at 44, Canygne Road..

If the Flat for sale back in 2011 in the media was CJ's Flat then I cannot see how that Flat was in the building of 44, Canygne Road, it appears impossible...

CJ would not have witnessed anything if he was going inside a house on the opposite side of the street, and maybe the people he heard were people attending a party?? Or did he see from the opposite side of the road?

This is crazy...  no sense is made ever.....  I'm always in two minds..... I will always wonder if this is fake or not and which house or flat that anyone really lived in ..... If its fake it makes no difference... I have chased a ghost.... But no more......


Anyway Merry Christmas people  ?{)(**


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« Reply #3117 on: December 24, 2018, 02:24:31 PM »
Whom are they referring too?

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Sometimes events transpire that you do
4 actually bump into the real criminal, just through
5 accident. In relation to the Jo Yeates trial, we were
6 doing some investigations around that area and myself
7 and a colleague came across a gentleman who we thought
8 was actually a little bit suspiciously near the scene of
9 Jo Yeates' property. That gentleman was arrested three
10 days later and is now serving life for murder, and the
11 police were very interested in how we bumped into him.
12 It was pure accident that we came across him. We
13 thought he was a bit unusual and we asked him a few
14 questions and engaged with him. There was no sort of
15 attempt to solve the crime or play detective.
It was
16 a sequence of events. But when the police said they
17 wanted to speak to us, we were more than happy to speak
18 to them and we co-operated fully with them.
19 Q. You, I think, were here this morning when Mr Harrison
20 gave evidence --
21 A. Yes.

Very confusing..... No talk at trial of anyone bumping into Dr Vincent Tabak, or him hanging around a property he was supposed to lived at..... Who are they referring too??

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121205170059/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Transcript-of-Afternoon-Hearing-19-March-2012.pdf

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3118 on: December 24, 2018, 02:46:08 PM »
So did it take place in July??

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Thank you.  You tell us in paragraph 4 of your statement

            12       that you own three flats within one building in Bristol.

            13       You live in one of them and rent the remaining two flats

            14       to tenants.

            15   A.  Yes.

            16   Q.  We, of course, know about the horrific murder of Joanna

            17       Yeates which led to the conviction for murder of Vincent

            18       Tabak in July this year. 
Joanna Yeates disappeared, so

            19       we have our bearings, on 17 December of last year; is

            20       that right?

            21   A.  Yes.

            22   Q.  Equally, so we have our bearings in terms of the

            23       chronology, you were arrested by the police on

            24       30 December?

            25   A.  I was.

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121205190854/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/transcript-of-Morning-Hearing-28-November-20111.txt

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3119 on: December 26, 2018, 09:42:55 AM »
Hello change the name and do the same.   Both plans are the same as well.  8((()*/

And that is the point Myster..... Anyone can change their name.... at any time... anyone can edit anything, there is no control... On here for instance, my posts have been edited, some have been removed, I don't question it... I find it pointless questioning someone elses reasons for an action they may do...

Early on when I had posts edited or removed, I thought it was because i found something, but I do not believe that true anymore.... I have got excited when I believed that i may have stumbled across something, but stumbled across what??

I remember the day when the site on this thread rained emojis of this sobbing face 8)><(, where through out my posts all I could see every couple of words was this:  8)><(.. How that happened I have no idea, but it did...  So whoever controls different aspects of any forum can change whatever is stated by a poster..(imo) I had not put the emojis in my posts... At first i thought someone was trying to give me a clue, but I don't believe that anymore....

The internet is littered with posting on various websites from unknown people, who may or may not have good intentions...

So I will keep saying, I have been chasing a ghost, I do not know what is real or not anymore and my assumption of Dr vincent Tabak has come from what I do not understand...

I do not understand how a Criminal Trial can be tweeted, how incorrect information from Journalists appears to have been tweeted, or is the fact that they mention names no-one has heard of part of the truth...

All I can reiterate is I know nothing, this case is what??  strange to say the least... And what I have posted has been based purely on what I have found on the internet , which I have linked my sources from...

What ever the truth about this is, I don't think anyone will ever know.... And my initial concern, may be about a completely fictitious character my concern that I felt someone hadn't received a fair trial and all lines of inquiry were not followed up..

I am a foolish person, I stupidly believed that I could help someone whom had no way in which they could help themselves.. I thought I was doing an honourable thing...

It's like this site I am on and found, I do not know anything about it I believed it to be about Miscarriages of Justice... I believed it to be here to assist people... But again , I do not know what this site is about... I do not know what the people here are about... You all may have good intentions, but I cannot quantify that based on posts..

So this thread.... is it just another pointless exercise that I have helped create, wanting to believe that people care...

But what is there to care about if it is untrue, if everything I have sourced comes from untruths...

I will stick with my belief that nothing makes sense and my time appears to be wasted.... I can keep adding to this story, but if it is only a story why do I need to add to it??

I have embarrassed myself no end on here, I have made a fool of myself, I have chased an apparition...... A none entity that I cannot substantiate and no-one else appears to be able to do so either.

The information I have posted about, only goes to show that nothing adds up...

And I am saddened by my own gullibility, I am as gullible as anyone else, to have spent time doing nothing, proving nothing and coming up with nothing... It only goes to show that I know nothing...