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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #165 on: June 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 19, 2019, 11:22:41 AM
Davel, I wouldn't qualify it as "junk science" as such, but I do find that there are so many unanswered questions that the alerts seem meaningless.

When I have referred to alerts as meaningless... As, I have done over the past few years I have, received a lot of abuse.... But meaningless is what they are
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #166 on: June 19, 2019, 04:23:51 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 19, 2019, 10:23:35 AM
Hello Holly,

I really don't know much about the Bamber case. I skim-read a few threads years ago, but then got lost in wading through the squabbles to find what the facts actually were and... gave up.

I guess that it's similar on other boards.

Hi Carana

The Bamber case got really nasty with posters even taking their arguments into the real world.  Complete madness. 
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #167 on: June 19, 2019, 04:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Hi Carana

The Bamber case got really nasty with posters even taking their arguments into the real world.  Complete madness.

Oh that has happened in this case too...aided and abetted by the MSM.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #168 on: June 19, 2019, 04:47:31 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 19, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
In the end it's all down to opinion because there's no definitive evidence imo.

It was their mother who thought it strange that the twins didn't wake up and who suggested sedation was the reason. That's the only reason others have discussed it. I would be very interested to hear more from her; like what she thinks would have put them to sleep for 12 hours and how she thinks it was administered.

I don't think the dogs are 'junk science' because I don't think they claim to be scientific.

DNA testing can sometimes provide answers and sometimes it can't. In this case it didn't. All it did was confirm that Keela alerted to places where DNA was present. If she was as well-trained as was claimed, she was alerting to human blood.

you will find Grime does claima scientific basis for the alerts...from his training programme

History
Foundational Science
Resource capability
Search strategy
Intelligence gathering
Case examples
Canine search training principles
Odour discrimination
Testing and accreditation
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #169 on: June 19, 2019, 06:15:52 PM »
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2019, 04:47:31 PM
you will find Grime does claima scientific basis for the alerts...from his training programme

History
Foundational Science
Resource capability
Search strategy
Intelligence gathering
Case examples
Canine search training principles
Odour discrimination
Testing and accreditation

Do you have a link please?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #170 on: June 19, 2019, 06:34:20 PM »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #171 on: June 19, 2019, 07:30:22 PM »
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM
When I have referred to alerts as meaningless... As, I have done over the past few years I have, received a lot of abuse.... But meaningless is what they are
What a meaningless post. "But meaningless is what they are." Well said.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #172 on: June 19, 2019, 07:46:43 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on June 19, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Sispecting and believing are two different things. I suspect that the Conservatives may choose Rory Stewart as their leader, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I believe they will.
Well you’d be both wrong in the first instance and right in the last!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #173 on: June 19, 2019, 07:48:18 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
Well you’d be both wrong in the first instance and right in the last!
Isn't there other threads discussing this?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #174 on: June 19, 2019, 08:18:49 PM »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #175 on: June 19, 2019, 08:21:59 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 19, 2019, 07:30:22 PM
What a meaningless post. "But meaningless is what they are." Well said.

thats goading Rob...none of my posts are meaningless.....and to suggest they are ...is goading
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Offline John

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #176 on: June 19, 2019, 08:26:04 PM »
Quote from: Davel on June 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM
When I have referred to alerts as meaningless... As, I have done over the past few years I have, received a lot of abuse.... But meaningless is what they are

They were suggestive of cadaver odour which in anyone's book isn't exactly meaningless.  If you equate meaningless with evidential reliability however, maybe they are meaningless.
 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #177 on: June 19, 2019, 08:28:55 PM »
Quote from: John on June 19, 2019, 08:26:04 PM
They were suggestive of cadaver odour which in anyone's book isn't exactly meaningless.

holly said they were junk science...carana i beleive said they were meaningless....why is it only me being criticised for having the same opinion.

why is it fair for Rob to refer to all my psots as being meaningless
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #178 on: June 19, 2019, 08:31:27 PM »
according to Grime the alerts show where to look for evidence...harrison said no inference can be drawn from them....i think describing allerts taht are not corroboated as meaningless is reasonable...far to much reliance has been placed on the alerts...as in the jersey case...they hve added nothing to the case and are therefore meaningless
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?
« Reply #179 on: June 19, 2019, 08:35:49 PM »
Quote from: John on June 19, 2019, 08:26:04 PM
They were suggestive of cadaver odour which in anyone's book isn't exactly meaningless.  If you equate meaningless with evidential reliability however, maybe they are meaningless.

I see you have now edited your post to agree that meaningless is  a reasonable description
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