General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Eleanor]

If I was the abductor, I would dump Madeleine and head for the hills.

[Brietta]

Quote from: Robittybob1 on Today at 07:13:20 AM
Can you provide cites for the two opposing opinions please.

Earlier Brietta had this to say,
Quote from: Brietta on February 13, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
As far as I know there has been no comment made by anyone from Scotland Yard ... nor would I expect any.[/color]

Snip
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have applied for more funding for the search, the Home Office has confirmed.
http://www.policeprofessional.com/news.aspx?id=31483

Later followed by.
Quote from: Brietta on February 16, 2018, 11:49:15 AM

Who in their right mind seeks to interfere in any way with an obviously active ongoing criminal investigation, particularly when we know there are matters of grave sensitivity to be addressed.

Also.
Quote from: Brietta on February 16, 2018, 01:56:05 PM


Shock! Horror! that Martin Brunt should be doing his job. 

Clearly indicating that she doesn't expect anything from the officals ie: MET officers but is happy to rely on some hack spreading rubbish even when the MET will not comment,simples.

First of two observations in this latest ploy ...
The cut and paste in blue above would not be there if I hadn't taken the time to do it.  It was required to add because without it, the attempted cut and thrust of the post would have been entirely lost to posterity making the post even more of a nonsense than absolutely necessary.
The device you have used to illustrate different quotations in your original post just does not travel well when your post is being replied to ... it would be worth while to remember that in future.

@Alice
The second observation concerns insults ...
Just for the record ... my gender in the real world is female ... referring to me or any other forum member as "he/she/or it" is not only incredibly rude ... it is against forum rules.
It may be within the rules of whatever game you claim to play, but it is worth bearing in mind that I am the banker with the penalty point ability which will be implemented in all future infringements, whether aimed at me or any other member.


I have no idea why sceptics have decided that Martin Brunt is the bogey man in this ... why not the Home Office?

On 12th February 2018 a spokeswoman for which said: "The Home Office has provided funding to the Metropolitan Police for Operation Grange and the resources required are reviewed regularly with careful consideration given before any new funding is allocated."

[G-Unit]

According  to the statement the home office confirmed the request.... As to why... It's a matter of public interest and there is no harm in revealing it

According to the MPS they would prefer that it wasn't revealed as it could harm the investigation. It seems their priorities and those of the Home Office differ.

There is no official joint investigation, so this bit is interesting;

Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

Someone seems interesting in suggesting an equal partnership, but it isn't. The MPS have made it perfectly clear that the PJ have primacy.

Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

With just four police officers to provide the support.

[Brietta]

According to the MPS they would prefer that it wasn't revealed as it could harm the investigation. It seems their priorities and those of the Home Office differ.

There is no official joint investigation, so this bit is interesting;

Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

Someone seems interesting in suggesting an equal partnership, but it isn't. The MPS have made it perfectly clear that the PJ have primacy.

Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

With just four police officers to provide the support.

"Clearly Scotland Yard feels it hasn't come to the end of the line" Martin Brunt

Wonder if that's all four of them ... or maybe just the majority.

[jassi]

According to the MPS they would prefer that it wasn't revealed as it could harm the investigation. It seems their priorities and those of the Home Office differ.

There is no official joint investigation, so this bit is interesting;

Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

Someone seems interesting in suggesting an equal partnership, but it isn't. The MPS have made it perfectly clear that the PJ have primacy.

Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

With just four police officers to provide the support.

I think this has probably been so since day 1

[Mr Gray]

According to the MPS they would prefer that it wasn't revealed as it could harm the investigation. It seems their priorities and those of the Home Office differ.

There is no official joint investigation, so this bit is interesting;

Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

Someone seems interesting in suggesting an equal partnership, but it isn't. The MPS have made it perfectly clear that the PJ have primacy.

Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

With just four police officers to provide the support.

I think you are, reading too much into a news, article.  Both SY and the, PJ are investigating the same crime... It is loosely a joint investigation but not strictly a, joint investigation.

[G-Unit]

I think you are, reading too much into a news, article.  Both SY and the, PJ are investigating the same crime... It is loosely a joint investigation but not strictly a, joint investigation.

Brunt knows very well it's not a joint investigation, despite the efforts made by the UK to set that up 'at a political level, and at a police and judicial level' as Hogan-Howe explained. It was important because an official joint investigation would have allowed Operation Grange to work in Portugal without having to wait for the PJ to do things for them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643

Both forces are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, if that's what you mean.

[Mr Gray]

Brunt knows very well it's not a joint investigation, despite the efforts made by the UK to set that up 'at a political level, and at a police and judicial level' as Hogan-Howe explained. It was important because an official joint investigation would have allowed Operation Grange to work in Portugal without having to wait for the PJ to do things for them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643
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Both forces are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, if that's what you mean.

These details are not of any importance to the general public

[G-Unit]

These details are not of any importance to the general public

Why would Brunt try to mislead the 'general public' do you think?

[Mr Gray]

Why would Brunt try to mislead the 'general public' do you think?

I don't think he is... The press just are not particularly accurate.. They are both investigating.. They work together.... Joint investigation  sounds, a, reasonable description

[Mr Gray]

Why would Brunt try to mislead the 'general public' do you think?

Do you think he is deliberately trying to mislead ...I dont

[Brietta]

Do you think he is deliberately trying to mislead ...I dont

Martin Brunt is a reporter who reports the news as given to him by what he supposes are reliable sources and that sometimes causes him to be the the news rather than the harbinger of it.
Much as he did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFzXcJK8vQ when reporting false information regarding the DNA results sent from England to the Portuguese police.

Unfortunate? ... in my opinion, disastrously so.
Deliberately misleading? ... absolutely not again in my opinion.

The man is a reporter doing his job.  Is there any suggestion that he should not have reported that the police give the impression that they think it is worthwhile pursuing Madeleine's case by asking for an extension of funding to do so?
His reporting of it appears to be in the public interest given what has been posted here about at least one FOI request in the public domain; at least on this occasion the Home Office confirmation that consideration is being given to the police request tends to prove that on this occasion any Sky News report to that effect is accurate.

[G-Unit]

Do you think he is deliberately trying to mislead ...I dont

I would expect a crime reporter to know exactly what a joint investigation is. As he has covered the story for ten years I expect him to remember how badly the MPS (and the McCanns) pushed to get one set up, but failed. There was no need to include the word 'joint' at all.

there is Home Office funding to keep Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese going until the end of March," he said.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

The McCanns, who also understand the meaning of the term, tend to imply that a joint investigation is taking place too;

there is now a joint Metropolitan Police-Policia Judiciaria investigation which is what we've always wanted.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15060465.Madeleine_McCann_s_parents__disappointed__after_losing_Portugal_libel_appeal/

But didn't get;

Mrs McCann said she was particularly frustrated that police in Portugal had so far ruled out a joint inquiry with their British counterparts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27239149

[Mr Gray]

I would expect a crime reporter to know exactly what a joint investigation is. As he has covered the story for ten years I expect him to remember how badly the MPS (and the McCanns) pushed to get one set up, but failed. There was no need to include the word 'joint' at all.

there is Home Office funding to keep Scotland Yard's part of the joint investigation with the Portuguese going until the end of March," he said.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-funding-for-madeleine-mccann-search-requested-by-police-11248085

The McCanns, who also understand the meaning of the term, tend to imply that a joint investigation is taking place too;

there is now a joint Metropolitan Police-Policia Judiciaria investigation which is what we've always wanted.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15060465.Madeleine_McCann_s_parents__disappointed__after_losing_Portugal_libel_appeal/

But didn't get;

Mrs McCann said she was particularly frustrated that police in Portugal had so far ruled out a joint inquiry with their British counterparts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27239149

I think you are getting worked up about nothing... One thing that has become clear is, the press, are sometimes, not too accurate..

Again... Do you think brunt is deliberately  trying to mislead.  I just can't see, why he would do that

[Eleanor]

I think there is a point being missed here.  The PJ can't operate unattended in Britain and Scotland Yard can't operate unattended in Portugal.
This does not mean that there isn't a joint operation with joint cooperation.