General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Venturi Swirl]

Possibly but as I understand it the face of crime is changing too eg cybercrime.

So?  More police needed then!

[Mr Gray]

About the same sort of difficulties most others face I would have thought: bureaucracy, health and safety, procedures, politics, resources etc, etc. 

The point is are the police the best they can be?  Or do they need to up their game?

I remember 20 years ago talking to a police woman...she said they arrest  a young teenager for mugging an old lady..

the teenager spits in their face....and theres nothing they can do....as i said..imo you dont understand the difficulties the police face on a day by day basis

[Venturi Swirl]

About the same sort of difficulties most others face I would have thought: bureaucracy, health and safety, procedures, politics, resources etc, etc. 

The point is are the police the best they can be?  Or do they need to up their game?

No organisation or public service is the best it can be, there is always room for improvement, but what has any of this got to do with Cressida Dick getting a gong? 

[G-Unit]

I remember 20 years ago talking to a police woman...she said they arrest  a young teenager for mugging an old lady..

the teenager spits in their face....and theres nothing they can do....as i said..imo you dont understand the difficulties the police face on a day by day basis

It's not acceptable the way people react to the police these days. They have to put spit hoods onto people to protect themselves. I think spitting should be treated as assault, and that the police should be allowed to respond up to and including tasering.

[The General]

It's not acceptable the way people react to the police these days. They have to put spit hoods onto people to protect themselves. I think spitting should be treated as assault, and that the police should be allowed to respond up to and including tasering.

I think it is.

[Mr Gray]

It's not acceptable the way people react to the police these days. They have to put spit hoods onto people to protect themselves. I think spitting should be treated as assault, and that the police should be allowed to respond up to and including tasering.

I agree but how do you react to a 12 or 13 Yr old child who spits in your face... The police cannot react and criminals know that

[Holly Goodhead]

I remember 20 years ago talking to a police woman...she said they arrest  a young teenager for mugging an old lady..

the teenager spits in their face....and theres nothing they can do....as i said..imo you dont understand the difficulties the police face on a day by day basis

But many front line public servants face similar eg ambulance/paramedics, A&E, school teachers, social workers etc. 

[Mr Gray]

But many front line public servants face similar eg ambulance/paramedics, A&E, school teachers, social workers etc.

Not to the extent of the police. If a child spits at a teacher the child would be expelled and possibly arrested

[Holly Goodhead]

No organisation or public service is the best it can be, there is always room for improvement, but what has any of this got to do with Cressida Dick getting a gong?

What has the MET achieved under her stewardship deserving of a dame hood?  As you said they don't need to achieve or under achieve they simply receive a dame hood or knighthood as as part of the package. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Not to the extent of the police. If a child spits at a teacher the child would be expelled and possibly arrested

Some consolation for those murdered eg Philip Lawrence and Ann Maguire. 

[Mr Gray]

Some consolation for those murdered eg Philip Lawrence and Ann Maguire.

It's no good simply criticising when imo you don't understand the difficulties they face and you actually think you can do better

[Holly Goodhead]

It's no good simply criticising when imo you don't understand the difficulties they face and you actually think you can do better

What evidence do you have that the police face more difficulties in the work place than others?

Where have I said or even implied I could do better?  And could do better where: frontline policing, special operations, commercial and finance, professionalism or what?

[Mr Gray]

What evidence do you have that the police face more difficulties in the work place than others?

Where have I said or even implied I could do better?  And could do better where: frontline policing, special operations, commercial and finance, professionalism or what?

You claim to have solved the McCann case and said your findings will embarrass the Met

How many police have been killed or injured in the line of work in the last ten years... Compared to say... Mortgage Brokers

[Holly Goodhead]

What has the MET achieved under her stewardship deserving of a dame hood?  As you said they don't need to achieve or under achieve they simply receive a dame hood or knighthood as as part of the package.

But hey ho at least she paid for her own oil painting and sat in her own time for it.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2019-07-12/portrait-unveiled-of-the-first-female-commissioner-of-the-metropolitan-police/

[Holly Goodhead]

You claim to have solved the McCann case and said your findings will embarrass the Met

Even if I achieve the above its not the same as saying I think I could do better than the police as a whole. 

Of course it will be embarrassing for the MET if an armchair sleuth has cracked the case in less than a month at zero cost.   

How many police have been killed or injured in the line of work in the last ten years... Compared to say... Mortgage Brokers

Not sure what mortgage brokers have got to do with anything? 

Its a myth the police suffer more fatalities in the workplace than others but I thought you might trot that one out. See fatality figures produced by HSE.  Page 5, fig 5:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf