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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Admin on March 06, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
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Fact No 1 Sheila was not bleeding when the police arrived
Sheila Caffell was NOT bleeding per sé when the police entered the scene of the murders. When her body was found it was photographed in situ several times both before and after being checked out for any signs of life. In the first photograph taken by a police photographer it is obvious that blood had welled up in her mouth and throat effectively forming a reservoir of blood which had not yet congealed. After death some of this blood had seeped from her mouth and a nostril and can be seen to have trickled down both sides of her face and congealed. There is no evidence of continued bleeding from her mouth or from the two gunshot wounds to her throat.
(http://i.imgur.com/r5SkwHH.jpg?1)
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Fact No 2 Nevill Bamber never phoned the police that morning
Nevill Bamber did not telephone anyone on the morning he was murdered. He couldn't have as the bedroom telephone had earlier been removed to the kitchen and the kitchen telephone hidden under some magazines. Nevill Bamber was shot three times in his bedroom before he managed to get downstairs only to be beaten and shot several more times. No blood was ever found on or around the kitchen telephone.
It was son Jeremy Bamber who telephoned the police around 3.30am and set the scene when he told them that his father had phoned him to say that Sheila had a gun and had gone berserk. Records show that only one telephone call was ever received by Essex Police and that was from Jeremy Bamber. Not only did Jeremy Bamber not dial 999 for emergency assistance but he took time to telephone his girlfriend in London and tell her that it had kicked off at the farmhouse. Interestingly, the evidence shows that this call t the girlfriend was placed around 3am, some 20 minutes before the call to police.
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Fact No 3 Jeremy Bamber was a criminal even before the murders
Jeremy Bamber was not the clean cut respectable young man that many would seek to portray him as. We know from witness statements and trial evidence that Jeremy was not content with his lot and resented his parents for their hollier than though approach to life.
We know that he broke into the family business premises a short time before he murdered his entire family and stole £980. He trashed the place before leaving making it look as if some intruder had carried out the theft. He was accompanied on this foray by Julie Mugford and but for Julie Mugford coming forward this event may never have been uncovered.
We also know that Bamber grew cannabis on the farm and sold it freely in order to subsidise his lavish clubbing lifestyle.
There are also rumours that he was involved in certain questionable activities whilst in New Zealand and Australia, the details of which will soon be known.
(http://i.imgur.com/jSwJn.jpg)
Osea Road Caravan park premises which Bamber robbed.
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Fact No 4 The police didn't fire any shots in the farmhouse
It is promoted on the ridiculous Bamber forum that a police officer shot Sheila in the bedroom after she had already shot herself once in the neck in a failed suicide bid. It is also being suggested as that she may have shot herself in the kitchen and was lying there when the police broke into the house. Even more ridiculous is the suggestion that she regained consciousness and while shot in the throat was able to negotiate herself upstairs and into the master bedroom unseen where she shot herself or was shot a second time. 8@??)(
When you have finished laughing at this preposterous notion we can tell you what really occurred.
Sheila Caffell (Jeremy Bamber's adopted sister) was first shot in the throat but when Bamber realised that she had not been fatally injured he had to shoot her a second time and take the risk that a double shot suicide could appear suspicious. Left alive she could have informed on him.
Jeremy Bamber told police both in his initial telephone call to them and after they arrived at the farm that his sister had got one of his father's rifles and had gone berserk. It is little wonder therefore that the police initially believed him. The first officers who arrived at the scene had no reason to contemplate that a son could do such a thing to five family members including two sleeping 6-year-olds?
When the police broke into the farmhouse they discovered Nevill Bamber (father) dead in the kitchen and when they eventually checked upstairs they found June Bamber (mother) and Sheila lying on the floor of the master bedroom. June had been shot several times in the face and Sheila had been shot twice in the throat. Lying on top of Sheila was an unloaded rifle in order to give the appearance of a suicide.
No shots were discharged by police at the farmhouse that morning, none were heard over the open telephone line which was being monitored and none were heard by anyone who attended the scene. The police did not shoot anyone that morning and for anyone to promote this lie is to perpetuate a slur on those police officers who attended the scene.
Two independent police investigations since the trial have reached the same conclusion. Sheila Caffell did not commit suicide.
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Fact No 5 Itemised telephone billing did not exist at White House Farm
It has been claimed by a certain individual that itemised telephone accounts were available for the Maldon telephone exchange and that the August 1985 bill relating to Jeremy's home in Goldhanger and that of White House Farm has been withheld under Public Interest Immunity (PII). The reason why such a bill would be of interest is that it would have shown what calls if any had been made and at what time from Jeremy's home or from White House Farm itself.
Public-interest immunity (PII) is a principle of English common law under which the English courts can grant a court order allowing one litigant to refrain from disclosing evidence to the other litigants where disclosure would be damaging to the public interest. This is an exception to the usual rule that all parties in litigation must disclose any evidence that is relevant to the proceedings. In making a PII order, the court has to balance the public interest in the administration of justice (which demands that relevant material is available to the parties to litigation) and the public interest in maintaining the confidentiality of certain documents whose disclosure would be damaging.
We can confirm that although BT were in the process of bringing in itemised billing that no such billing was available at the Maldon exchange for White House Farm. An interesting issue developed during the investigation into the murderers when it was revealed by Miss Julie Mugford that Jeremy Bamber had telephoned her on the morning of the murders. Enquiries revealed that Jeremy had telephoned Julie even before he telephoned the police such was his lack of concern for his family. Further investigations also established that this call was timed around 3am.
The police went to a lot of trouble to establish the time of this call to Julie Mugford and also the telephone call placed by Jeremy Bamber to the police. They did not have any data from BT to go on. It is therefore simply ridiculous to suggest that the police had merely to check with BT in order to establish the timing of the calls. Itemised billing was never available and has never been withheld under PII.
Yet further proof if any was needed of the fantasy theories being promoted by camp Bamber.
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Fact No 6 Julie Mugford wasn't dumped by Jeremy Bamber, she was not a woman scorned
It is being stated that Jeremy Bamber dumped Julie Mugford and consequently that as a woman scorned she ran to the police with a cock and bull story of how he planned to murder his entire family. This is incorrect as it was Julie who effectively ended the relationship when she caught Bamber flirting with one of his old flames on the telephone just weeks after the murders.
Jeremy Bamber had been threatening to kill his family for some time before he actually found the right moment to do it. Julie Mugford listened to his rantings for months but never took him seriously. He talked of drugging them and then burning the farmhouse to the ground but then he realised that in doing so would destroy valuable effects within the house. He even persuaded Julie to go to her GP and get prescription tranquillisers which he tested on himself. Julie never believed for a moment that he would actually go through with it, she adored Bamber and was besotted with him.
Bamber telephoned Julie at her flat in London at around 3am on the morning of the murders and some 20 minutes before he telephoned the police. He was able to tell her that something was wrong at the farm even then. The police went to a lot of trouble to verify the time of this call since BT were unable to provide this information. The fact that Jeremy Bamber was able to telephone his girlfriend in London some 20 minutes before he was supposed to have received a call from his father is rather damming. Bamber told police that the call from his father woke him up yet he was wide awake at 3am when he telephoned Julie in London and told her that he hadn't been to bed!
On the morning of the murders, Julie was driven to Jeremy Bamber's home in Goldhanger where he was waiting for her. He admitted to her that he was behind the murders and had paid a hitman £2000. He boasted that he should have been an actor, a comment accompanied by a chuckle which was overheard by Essex Police Det Sergeant Jones who had just come into the room. This set Jones on Bambers trail, a trail which ended in his conviction.
For weeks after the murders Julie Mugford agonised over whether Bamber was telling the truth. She didn't want to believe such an awful thing of her lover. She was torn between her loyalty to Bamber and the need to do the right thing for the victims. She accompanied him on a drugs buying spree to Amsterdam, one of Bambers friends from Australia called Brett Collins also went along. Events were troubling Mugford however and she eventually confided in one of her flatmates. Her relationship with Bamber was strained, it deteriorated and came to a head when she called at Bamber's sisters flat to collect some private possessions. Collins was also there, there was a confrontation and an almighty row. She overheard Bamber flirting with a former girlfriend on the phone and objects were thrown. Mugford slapped Bambers face, he restrained her arms and bent one up her back. She said she was going to the police and he said nobody would believe her. Thus ended their relationship.
Julie Mugford went to the police and gave a 32-page statement which took several days to complete. Bamber by this time was off on another trip to the south of France with his gay friend Brett Collins. On their return the police were waiting for him and he was arrested on the murder charges.
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Fact No 7 The significance of the silencer or sound moderator
Following gun testing in Arizona, camp Bamber and Jeremy Bamber himself are promoting as fact the theory that the murder weapon did not have a silencer fitted. Why is Jeremy Bamber so sure about this, was he there?
The story so far.
US ballistics experts have suggested that a silencer – so pivotal to Bamber's conviction – was never used. One report by David Fowler, chief medical examiner of the US state of Maryland, who has reviewed the files of more than 3,000 shooting homicides, states, "In my professional opinion, the [burn marks] complex just described of the lower entrance and two abrasions is consistent with the rifle not having a silencer."
Fowler believes no silencer was involved. His conclusion is supported by Ljubisa Dragovic, chief medical examiner of Oakland county in Michigan, and Marcella Fierro, former chief medical examiner of Virginia.
Leeds-based Simon McKay, Bamber's new solicitor advocate, said: "The evidence of three senior and respected pathologists that the wounds to Sheila Caffell are consistent with the rifle having been fired without the silencer fitted shakes the safety of Jeremy Bamber's convictions to their core."
Absolute balderdash actually. The silencer issue may have been an important one but by no means the only one. There is still substantial evidence which points to Bamber being the killer.
When we look closer at this so-called expert analysis we must remember the following:
1. The murder weapon was not used in the tests.
2. Pig flesh was used to represent human flesh in the tests.
3. The original ammunition was not used in the tests.
4. The test results only relate to wounds inflicted when the end of a rifle barrel was in contact with skin.
The claim is that the killer used an unsilenced rifle to murder everyone in White House Farm that morning on the basis that there were burn marks on Sheila Caffell's neck and on Ralph Bamber's back consistent with the use of an unsilenced weapon. In actual fact, all this would prove if indeed it were shown to be correct is that an unsilenced rifle was used to shoot Sheila and poked Nevill in the back. It does not prove that an unsilenced weapon was used to fire the remaining 23 bullets.
We must also remember that blood from all the adults who were murdered was found in the sound moderator. It was thus claimed by the prosecution that a rifle with a sound moderator fitted was used to kill Sheila Caffell. How else would blood get into the sound moderator I hear you ask?
Can we make one suggestion. Could it be that Sheila was indeed shot with an unsilenced rifle but that the killer managed to contaminate the remaining bullets with blood from the other adults before firing them?
When all is said and done and in the final analysis, the gun tests carried out in Arizona do not prove that an unsilenced weapon was used in the majority of the murders.
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Fact No 8 Sheila Caffell's blood/DNA and the sound moderator
The official Jeremy Bamber website has attracted criticism from Mark Webster, a renowned independent expert forensic scientist who accuses them of posting gibberish! Mr Webster worked on the case from 1993 up until Bamber's unsuccessful appeal in 2002.
In an attempt to discredit the evidence, Bamber's website suggests that animal blood may have been confused with human blood when sampling the blood discovered in the sound moderator. They state,
"It could not be proven that the blood in it came from Sheila, (there wasn't enough to group it) as the enzyme found inside it is also present in many humans and animals. At the 2002 appeal it was proven there was no DNA from Sheila present in the moderator, but that didn't mean that is never was present, it could just have been 'swabbed' away by the scientists.
Human blood is made up of a number of different constituents including red and white blood cells, a number of different enzymes and plasma. Forensic science uses some of these enzymes to differentiate blood samples from coming from one person rather than another.
One of these is the AK enzyme and this became important in this case. This enzyme was used to say that the blood flake discovered inside the sound moderator came from Sheila and no one else. Humans have two types of the AK enzyme, AK1 enzyme and AK2-1. The blood flake was analyzed and found to contain the AK1 enzyme therefore it came from someone with blood group A.
What the court was not told was that the AK-1 enzyme that is found in human blood is genetically identical to the AK-1 enzyme found in the blood of pigs, cattle, rabbits, chickens and the fish carp."
Mr Webster hits back on his own website when he states that Rabbit AK1 is quite similar to human AK1, but it is not identical. About 5% of the structure differs between the two species. I cannot exclude the possibility that rabbit or some other animal AK1 could be mistaken for one of the human AK1 types using starch gel electrophoresis, but I think this is extremely unlikely. It should also be noted that the blood flake gave a positive result in a test for human proteins and other enzyme typing tests gave typically human results.
The ABO blood grouping system - familiar from blood transfusions - splits most of the population into the blood groups A, B, O and AB. The ABO system was also used to characterise blood in the sound moderator. The ABO blood groups reflect the structure of antigens attached to red blood cell membranes and antibodies in the blood. ABO antigens and antibodies are unrelated to the AK enzymes. The statement "The blood flake was analyzed and found to contain the AK1 enzyme therefore it came from someone with blood group A." is gibberish. A person's AK type does not predict that person's ABO group.
The truth in all of this is that when the sound moderator was examined after the murders in 1985, blood samples taken from inside the moderator returned the result that they were Group A. The only members of the family to have group A blood were Jeremy Bamber, June Bamber and Sheila Caffell.
In addition, from the appeal court judgement in 2002. Seventeen of the twenty bands attributable to Sheila Caffell had been detected in DNA from the internal swabbings. Random chance would have suggested thirteen common bands would be found and hence since there was significantly more than thirteen, it provided some support for the DNA of Sheila Caffell being in the moderator.
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Fact No 9 Sheila Caffell was not shot in the kitchen at White House Farm
Much has been speculated about the events which occurred that morning at White House Farm. Indeed, it has been stated that Sheila shot herself in the kitchen after killing her father. It is also claimed that she somehow managed to get upstairs AFTER the police had entered the house and again somehow either shot herself or was shot by police. Don't be taken in by such sheer fantasies because none of it is true.
Sheila Caffell never left the upstairs bedrooms and landing on the morning of the murders. She most certainly never went downstairs or attacked her father. Sheila was shot twice in quick succession in the master bedroom. Here is the evidence.
1. A glass lampshade was shattered in the attack in the kitchen, the perpetrator would have had glass shards on their feet, their socks or their shoes or slippers. Sheila Caffell had no such shards on her feet or her footwear. Sheila was never in the kitchen and most certainly never fought with her father.
2. The claim that Sheila shot herself once in the kitchen and once in the bedroom is preposterous. The bullets retrieved from the incident clearly indicate who was shot and where. Two empty shell casings were found beside Sheila's body evidencing the fact that she was shot twice where she lay.
3. The only blood discovered downstairs belonged to Nevill Bamber. If Sheila Caffell had shot herself in the kitchen as deluded Bamber supporters suggest then her blood would have been all over the kitchen floor, the hall and the stairs. It wasn't found anywhere except in the master bedroom where her body was found.
An excellent video to watch. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bocwzw3ZYf8)
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Fact No 2 Nevill Bamber never phoned the police that morning
Nevill Bamber did not telephone anyone on the morning he was murdered. He couldn't have as the bedroom telephone had earlier been removed to the kitchen and the kitchen telephone hidden under some magazines. Nevill Bamber was shot three times in his bedroom before he managed to get downstairs only to be beaten and shot several more times. No blood was ever found on or around the kitchen telephone.
It was son Jeremy Bamber who telephoned the police around 3.30am and set the scene when he told them that his father had phoned him to say that Sheila had a gun and had gone berserk. Records show that only one telephone call was ever received by Essex Police and that was from Jeremy Bamber. Not only did Jeremy Bamber not dial 999 for emergency assistance but he took time to telephone his girlfriend in London and tell her that it had kicked off at the farmhouse. Interestingly, the evidence shows that this call t the girlfriend was placed around 3am, some 20 minutes before the call to police.
There are several important issues being conflated here.
1) There were 3 phones in the house at the time of the murders. 1 was in the office (which is off of the kitchen).
1 was plugged in the kitchen though it normally was plugged in the master bedroom. 1 was unplugged and hidden in the kitchen under some magazines, this phone normally was the kitchen phone. So this indicates someone took the normal kitchen phone, unplugged it, hid it under magazines then took the bedroom phone and plugged it in the kitchen. The last phone was in the office, the office is actually the back kitchen and is accessed by passing through the kitchen.
2) Telephone company records reveal only 1 phone call was made from WHF on the night/morning of the murders. That call was placed to the cottage Jeremy was using
3) According to the telephone company the phone at WHF was never hung up after making the call. The recipient hung up and after 1-2 minutes the line at Jeremy's cottage cleared so that it oculd be used again. However the phone at WHF was left off the hook and never replaced. The only phone off the hook was the phone in the kitchen that belonged in the master bedroom so it had to be the one that was used to make the call. Neither this nor any other phone had any blood on them.
4) The shootings started upstairs, presumably in the master bedroom. Nevill was shot 4 times upstairs and was shot an additional time on the ground floor near the stairs. He therefore was shot at least 5 times before he could have reached the phone. If he suffered any of the 3 most severe headshots before reaching the phone then he would have been unconscious before he could pick up the phone. If the 3 most severe headshots were delivered last then it means he suffered a shot that cut his lip off and a shot that shattered his teeth and voicebox which means he would have been bleeding profusely and also unable to speak. At most he could have dialed the phone and made unintelligible noises not to speak in an understandable fashion. Moreover he would have gotten blood on the phone if he had tried to use it.
5) Police records reveal only one phone call being made to police and it was made by Jeremy. Instead of phoning 999 he actually bothered to take the time to look up a police station number. He claimed that his father phoned him and said his sister had gotten hold of a gun and was in a frenzy. Nevill was scared she was going to use it come quickly to help disarm her.
6) Jeremy lived 3 minutes away. Instead of going over there himself to help he decides to phone police. Prior to phoning police though, Jeremy phoned his girlfriend. That call was initiated at least 10-20 minutes before the call he made to the police. Jeremy initially told police he called them and then called his girlfriend but at trial conceded he was confused and in fact called her first. So Jeremy answered the call from WHF then hung up. He waited an undetermined amout of time and called his girlfriend. How long they spoke is unknown but it was at least 10-20 minutes after he called her that he finally picked up the phone to call police. Perhaps they spoke 10-15 minutes and then he called police when they were finally done. He told police that his father was worried she was going to use a gun she grabbed and wanted him to go over to help but he was scared. He wanted police to pick him up and take him there. The police were unwilling to drive him in their car. So he waited for them to pass by and then slowly followed them arriving a few minutes later. He walked up to them and repeated his story about Nevill saying Sheila got a hold of a gun and he was scared she would use it. He reoc..ted the various guns in the house and told police that Sheila had used all the guns in the house and was proficient with them. This made them scared to enter and they decided to call for armed police. The armed police arrivedan hour or so later but were also spooked by this claim and decided to spend 2 hours staking the place out and entering after daybreak. Jeremy had no problem with them waiting. He didn't press them to enter and find out what happened to his family. Nor did he have any interest in entering himself to find out what happened. He was content with waiting to find out after the police go in first. It turns out Jeremy lied. At trial he admitted he had not seen his sister use a gun as an adult. All the guns in the house had been acquired when she was an adult. Thus he lied when he told police she fired all the guns in the house and was proficient with them. She never used any of the guns in the house prior to this including the murder weapon.
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A) Nevill likely did not dial the phone because if he had then it would have had blood on it
B) If Nevill had dialed the phone he would have been unable to speak coherently and to tell Jeremy what Jeremy claims his father said to him
C) I Nevill had been able to speak coherently he would have stated that he and his wife were shot by Sheila and needed medical help and also someone to help stop her from killing them. It would make no sense for a man who was shot to say that he was scared she would use the gun. He would say she did use it, that he was shot and needed an ambulance. Someone in this position would be most apt to call 999. If calling a family member they would surely announce they needed a doctor and were shot.
D) Why would Jeremy be scared to go to the house without police if he had simply been told his sister grabbed a gun? He supposedly was not told that she had used it yet. For all he knows it wasn't even loaded. It is only a 3 minute drive. He could have gone there, spied from outside and then if necessary drive back home and call police. But he is too scared to even drive there and spy from outside and to try to see if he could hear anything. He has so much fear he will not go until after police arrive at the scene first. Since his fear is so great does he call police immediately? No he lies and claims he called them immediately but in fact he first called his girlfriend and waited a considerable amount of time to call police. Was he anxious for police to go in? No, he lied about her proficiency with the guns in the house to scare them so that they would not go in right away. A normal person would want to go inside and find out not wait for hours with police but not him. He knew they were dead so was not anxious wondering what happeened. That is the only explanation for his behavior.
Nevermind why did he call Julie before he called the police, why would he call Julie at all? If you know your family is dead and want a shoulder to cry on then you would have a reason to wake your girlfriend in the middle of the night. Why would you call to say, "my father called to say there was trouble at the house and he wants me at once. But I am not going there I am calling police instead. when I find out what happened I will call you again" Why would you wake a girlfriend to tell her that? You would wait to find out what happened before you bother to wake up a grilfriend to talk to her and in fact he could have just waited till daytime to talk to her instead of waking the household. Did he want her to go wait with him? That's the only other possible reason to call her but he never claimed he called to ask her to come over from London to wait with him. Nothing he claimed about the calls makes any sense. What his father supposedly said makes no sense. His call to Julie makes no sense. Waiting to call police makes no sense. Not going over to investigate outside at least makes no sense. Not being impatient with police at they just spent hours waiting makes no sense. It all makes no sense unless he is the killer in which place it all makes perfect sense.
How did the bedroom phone get in the kitchen and why was the kitchen phone hidden? There are only 2 rational explanations. 1) the killer moved it prior to the killings to make sure that no one in the bedroom could use it during the murder attempt or 2) the killer hid the kitchen phone knowing that someone would go get the bedroom phone and place it in the kitchen so that it would not be in the bedroom as the murders were taking place.
Would a person having a crazy fit do this? No this is rational foreplanning not the actions of a crazy person. In fact, why would a crazy person even care if the phone were used? if i planned to kill everyone then commit suicide what would I care if someone were able to report to authorities that I was in the process of shooting them? They would be dead and so would I before police could ever arrive to stop me. Only someone who plans to escape from the scene and doesn't want to be blamed would be scared of a phone because it the killer's identity is reported then the killer will be caught. Sheila would no care about the phones but a killer trying to frame Sheila would because the frame job would fall apart if a victim identified the framer as the killer.
It was testified to at trial that when the kitchen phone was broken that the bedroom phone was usually brought down and used.
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Fact No 6 Julie Mugford wasn't dumped by Jeremy Bamber, she was not a woman scorned
It is being stated that Jeremy Bamber dumped Julie Mugford and consequently that as a woman scorned she ran to the police with a cock and bull story of how he planned to murder his entire family. This is incorrect as it was Julie who effectively ended the relationship when she caught Bamber flirting with one of his old flames on the telephone just weeks after the murders.
I disagree that she was not a women scorned. Just because she dumped him doesn't mean she wasn't scorned. She heard him flirting with another girl and felt he was cheating so that is why she dumped him. That certainly can constitute being scorned.
That doesn't mean she is lying though. A scorned woman often will reveal things that she otherwise would have kept secret.
For me the way to evaluate whether she is telling the truth is to look at her story. Is it something that someone would make up to retaliate against a cheating boyfriend? If she were going to make something up then she would make up the claim he confessed to killing them. Why would she make up a convoluted tale with a hitman? If she were going to make up a tale about a hitman she would not name the guy because then police could go to the guy, clear him and then Jermey is off the hook. If she were making up a hitman tale she would not name the hitman and say Jeremy never told her the identity. But why would would she bother at all, just make up the simple story he admitted he killed them and framed his sister.
Her story has a ring of truth to it. Jeremy could not wait to tell her how he was responsible for killing them but he didn't want her to think he was so cold blooded that he could kill himself so he invented the hit man story.
Her explanation of why he called her the night of the murders is much more convincing. Why would he wake her up just to tell her that his father called him to say his sister was going crazy and asked him to go over? That can't wait till the morning? It is not as if he knew what happened so why would he wake her up to tell her an uncertainty? Instead of going to find out what happened he wakes her to leave her wondering what happened? Her account that he woke her to tell her they were dead makes much more sense.
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I have seen 2 more falsehoods floating around about Sheila. The claim is being made that her hands were covered in blood and were washed off before she was swabbed for gun shot residue thus they argue the gun shot residue was washed away. Also Jeremy proponents say that after a few hours gunshot residue will naturally dissipate so was gone from her clothing by the time it was tested.
Gunshot residue is easy to transfer. A person who fired a weapon will touch other things, wash their hands and as they do things throughout the day they will end up washing much off or transferring it. That is why it is important to test as soon as possible especially before they can change their clothing and wash it.
Sheila was dead, she wasn't moving around transferring the gunshot residue. It is not going to dissipate off a body and clothing after a few hours.
Sheila didn't have blood on both hands she only had blood on one hand and it was on the outside of her hand. Police did not wash her hands and arms off then swab her hands. They swabbed her hands before doing anything else to her body. She didn't turn up low levels of gunshot residue she had none at all nor did her clothing. For there to be no GSR at all on her clothing or hands means there is no evidence she fired a gun. It is extremely unlikely she could have fired 25 shots without getting covered in GSR.
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It is mainly common sense and looking at all aspects to see what does and doesn't make sense. If you have no agenda and just follow the evidence where it leads you can easily justify and validate your positions.
I actually tried to register on Testos site first but he would not approve my membership. I had an open mind to Jeremy being innocent and wanted to go over some evidence. The more I investigated the more I realized Jeremy's claims do no fit at all. I was open to the idea the cousins even might have framed him but the most damning evidence against him is his own words and actions. If he went home to sleep after the murders and made someone else find the bodies I would have alot more doubts. His phone fiasco and waiting with cops outside instead of going to check on his parents sunk him.
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I like how Jeremy's supporters say that whether Jeremy went by car or bicycle that he would have been seen by someone had he traveled to and from WHF on the night of the murders.
If he went around 2AM and returned around 3AM who would be looking out their windows let alone on the roads to see him? What is the chance that during the 6 minutes of travel each way that he would encounter someone at tha thour let alone some stray person driving at that hour would be someone who knows him and would be able to recognize him in the dark? Whether by car or bike I see the chance of anyone encoutering him and being able to tell police they saw him extremely remote. So it is not surprising no one saw him. You would think it was midday by the way his supporters claim someone would have to have seen him even if he was on the bike.
Based on the fact that his mother purchased the bike only 1-2 weeks earlier I would say that is a good indication that he used it during the murders. Why would his mother buy it then immediately loan it to him? That makes little sense and why would he borrow it anyway since he had a car? He seemed pretty lazy that he complained so much about riding a tractor I can't see him using a woman's bicycle for exercise. Moreover he tried to suggest it was sitting at his place for weeks to try to pretend that it wasn't brought there for use in the murders. So in all likelihood he did use the bike to go to and from the murder scene.
I can't help but laugh though anytime I read that someone would have to have seen him during the 6 minutes each way. Based on their claims you would think it was a heavily traveled area and nice and bright out.
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He claimed that it was taken to Goldhanger for Julie to use but she denied this. Setting off on the bicycle meant that the neighbours would not be alerted by the sound of a car. At night he would see any oncoming cars well before they could see him and be able to hide. There was also a shortcut to the farm past some farm cottages and over a gate, an easy exercise for someone on a bike.
Also, remember that when examined the bike tyres' sidewalls were caked in mud, a classic sign that it had been ridden off road.
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At night he would see any oncoming cars well before they could see him and be able to hide.
Good point; hadn't thought of that.
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Just read this thread and with all due respect few of these 'facts' are factual at all: they are just as much supposition and theory as anywhere else.
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What may I ask, isn't factual? or can be taken into consideration in a court of law? The points here are well argued and well-grounded. Bamber is finished. His whole charade of trying to present himself as innocent is long over. The points he brought to his appeals were demolished in their entirety and shown for what they were - nothing more that strained constraints of the evidence or downright lies. I find it staggering how anyone can believe in any means shape or form that this man is innocent.
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Great to see starryian back.
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Fact No 2 Nevill Bamber never phoned the police that morning
Nevill Bamber did not telephone anyone on the morning he was murdered. He couldn't have as the bedroom telephone had earlier been removed to the kitchen and the kitchen telephone hidden under some magazines. Nevill Bamber was shot three times in his bedroom before he managed to get downstairs only to be beaten and shot several more times. No blood was ever found on or around the kitchen telephone.
It was son Jeremy Bamber who telephoned the police around 3.30am and set the scene when he told them that his father had phoned him to say that Sheila had a gun and had gone berserk. Records show that only one telephone call was ever received by Essex Police and that was from Jeremy Bamber. Not only did Jeremy Bamber not dial 999 for emergency assistance but he took time to telephone his girlfriend in London and tell her that it had kicked off at the farmhouse. Interestingly, the evidence shows that this call t the girlfriend was placed around 3am, some 20 minutes before the call to police.
Well most of this for a start.
Some people think he didn't phone anyone but they don't know so it is wrong to present this as fact. The house sounds and looks like it was chock full of clutter and they might well have put a load of it on the phone in the kitchen themselves at some time beforehand, so when the kitchen phone that was actually in use, which I believe was a more practical cordless variety, was taken away for repair (I think the previous day?) after thunderstorm damage, the most 'normal' result is June deciding to move the little-used bedroom phone down to the most-used room in the house to replace it.
You also don't know (http://know) that Nevill was upstairs when the shooting began, you just suppose he was: whereas there's a lot of June's blood on her side of the bed from her initial shots, I understand there's no blood from Nevill in the room at all. Only someone who has made up their mind it was the murderer who moved the telephone would close their mind to the possibility Nevill was elsewhere and was shot through the bedroom doorway whilst rushing to help, then retreated back to the kitchen where he was attacked again. This would account for the casings, which ejected slightly forward and right, being by the bottom right corner of the bedroom, to the right of the door.
So if Nevill had been in the kitchen - possibly he had been talking to an upset Sheila, possibly he had heard a cow in distress giving birth in the shed next door, possibly he was getting a drink (there could be lots of perfectly normal reasons) it is perfectly possibly he heard the shots in the boys' room above, telephoned for help, heard June scream and dropped the phone to run to help her, leaving the line open.
Of course no blood would be found on the phone then. Notwithstanding the fact the police proceeded to use it when they arrived so the phone in the crime scene photo is not an accurate recording of how it was left.
So why would he phone Jeremy? Well first of all he was nearest; second he knew all about Sheila's mental health problems unlike anyone else in the area (http://anyone else in the area) so wouldn't need a lengthy explanation/be incredulous; thirdly at that point he may not have known/believed she would actually kill them all; fourthly, if he didn't also phone the police, it has to born in mind that calling the police would be hugely embassing in his role as a local magistrate and as judged from their war time history and the fact they had been secretive about both June's and Sheila's mental health it might just have been his hope to keep all the dirty laundry out if public view.
The call to the girlfriend: everyone else changed their statements to retro-fit the time of that call, didn't they? In 1985 clocks were mostly battery or clockwork powered and their accuracy relied on someone listening to the pips on Radio 4 to set the clock, and then the clock being a good time-keeper. We are dealing with multiple people, multiple clocks, multiple locations. Suddenly, with hindsight everyone realises they misremembered the times of the phonecalls: the policeman got all muddled up between a 2 and a 5, Mugford's housemate keeps her clock 10mins fast (which they know to be true because a month later, after changing her mind (http://after changing her mind) they went to her house to check, and Lo and Behold it was 10 minutes fast. Who'da Thunk It. Whereas in his statements despite trying to persuade him otherwise JB remains clear he called the police first.
I use words like 'could', 'might', 'possibly', 'perhaps' etc because I cannot state anything as fact.
Much like everyone else.
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Fact No 1 Sheila was not bleeding when the police arrived
Sheila Caffell was NOT bleeding per sé when the police entered the scene of the murders. When her body was found it was photographed in situ several times both before and after being checked out for any signs of life. In the first photograph taken by a police photographer it is obvious that blood had welled up in her mouth and throat effectively forming a reservoir of blood which had not yet congealed. After death some of this blood had seeped from her mouth and a nostril and can be seen to have trickled down both sides of her face and congealed. There is no evidence of continued bleeding from her mouth or from the two gunshot wounds to her throat.
(http://i.imgur.com/r5SkwHH.jpg?1)
Again, this is supposition not fact. The pathologist said she could have been killed at any time during the night: that includes around 7.00am just as much as it precludes it: again, you cannot state as fact that she was not 'bleeding' when there is red blood coming from her wounds. It doesn't mean she was alive, but it might indicate she died quite recently: the pathologist refused to commit so I don't think a personal opinion on the matter should be counted as fact.
The marks on her nightie and the pathologist both indicate her head was slightly elevated at the time of the shot, yet in the photo accompanying this post her head is flat on the floor. It is my personal opinion that the weight of her head forward may have blocked-off blood flow from the wounds, hence there is a mirror-image bloodstain around each wound. I believe her head then later either rolled or was moved down to the floor, releasing blood from the wounds and also at that point from her nose and mouth: this must have been not long prior to the photo being taken, hence the blood is still wet and red. The photo was taken a couple of hours after the police entered the house. So it is a possibility that her head moved/was moved from the slightly elevated position against the bedside table: however in the elevated position why would blood pool in her mouth? There's a tube down to her lungs and a tube down to her stomach: if there had been a long period of time since she was shot there would surely be blood run down into those organs, not welling up in her mouth. We can tell this is the natural progress the blood wound have made because a large amount of it came out down her nightie. There is no apparent blood trail for the quantity of blood on the nightshirt to the wounds: the wounds appear to have a slight stain from her head being down closing the bullet holes, then the very clear to see blood trail which does not go to the stain on the nightie, it curves down to the floor. We might surmise, therefore, that the nightie was in contact with one of the wounds and soaked in the blood, drawing it away - which would also have prevented much 'pooling'.
If the blood was pooling sufficiently to come out of her nose when the head went back on the floor, it is odd that it didn't didn't come out of her nose and mouth whilst slightly elevated - at the time the nightie stain occurred. So in my opinion it is possible the wound was fresh enough that it was still bleeding.
Remember that we put someone in the Recovery Position because an unconscious person on their back can choke on fluids running back down their throat. In the photograph that accompanied the original post, Sheila's nose and mouth are the highest points of her body: it is strange that hours-old blood should be coming up and out of her body via them.
So the original post is not stating anything more than an opinion - like mine - as to whether or not SC was 'bleeding'.
However it is absolutely NOT a fact that Sheila was photographed before anyone checked for vital signs: for pitysakes, the police entered after 7.00am and the photographs were taken 2-3 hours later. She was checked for vital signs when the police entered, OBVIOUSLY.: you find someone lying covered in blood your reaction is to rush to them and see if they can be saved.. This may have been when her head moved/was moved down into the floor.
It's interesting that by contrast everyone decided Nevill was dead just by looking at him.
But please, the whole point with this case is the severe shortage of 'facts': it is all supposition and theory.
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Great to see starryian back.
isn't it, though??!! 8@??)( Legend!!
Bamber's life sounds like that of a battery hen. But at least good people sympathise with battery hens, fight for them, and ensure their release. They don't infight, tell massive porkies, and dick about baking shitty little cakes. 8(8-))
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Again, this is supposition not fact. The pathologist said she could have been killed at any time during the night: that includes around 7.00am just as much as it precludes it: again, you cannot state as fact that she was not 'bleeding' when there is red blood coming from her wounds. It doesn't mean she was alive, but it might indicate she died quite recently: the pathologist refused to commit so I don't think a personal opinion on the matter should be counted as fact.
The marks on her nightie and the pathologist both indicate her head was slightly elevated at the time of the shot, yet in the photo accompanying this post her head is flat on the floor. It is my personal opinion that the weight of her head forward may have blocked-off blood flow from the wounds, hence there is a mirror-image bloodstain around each wound. I believe her head then later either rolled or was moved down to the floor, releasing blood from the wounds and also at that point from her nose and mouth: this must have been not long prior to the photo being taken, hence the blood is still wet and red. The photo was taken a couple of hours after the police entered the house. So it is a possibility that her head moved/was moved from the slightly elevated position against the bedside table: however in the elevated position why would blood pool in her mouth? There's a tube down to her lungs and a tube down to her stomach: if there had been a long period of time since she was shot there would surely be blood run down into those organs, not welling up in her mouth. We can tell this is the natural progress the blood wound have made because a large amount of it came out down her nightie. There is no apparent blood trail for the quantity of blood on the nightshirt to the wounds: the wounds appear to have a slight stain from her head being down closing the bullet holes, then the very clear to see blood trail which does not go to the stain on the nightie, it curves down to the floor. We might surmise, therefore, that the nightie was in contact with one of the wounds and soaked in the blood, drawing it away - which would also have prevented much 'pooling'.
If the blood was pooling sufficiently to come out of her nose when the head went back on the floor, it is odd that it didn't didn't come out of her nose and mouth whilst slightly elevated - at the time the nightie stain occurred. So in my opinion it is possible the wound was fresh enough that it was still bleeding.
Remember that we put someone in the Recovery Position because an unconscious person on their back can choke on fluids running back down their throat. In the photograph that accompanied the original post, Sheila's nose and mouth are the highest points of her body: it is strange that hours-old blood should be coming up and out of her body via them.
So the original post is not stating anything more than an opinion - like mine - as to whether or not SC was 'bleeding'.
However it is absolutely NOT a fact that Sheila was photographed before anyone checked for vital signs: for pitysakes, the police entered after 7.00am and the photographs were taken 2-3 hours later. She was checked for vital signs when the police entered, OBVIOUSLY.: you find someone lying covered in blood your reaction is to rush to them and see if they can be saved.. This may have been when her head moved/was moved down into the floor.
It's interesting that by contrast everyone decided Nevill was dead just by looking at him.
But please, the whole point with this case is the severe shortage of 'facts': it is all supposition and theory.
I could (if I could be arsed) rip all of this to shreds. It's been done to death, and we're all tired of the barrel being scraped.
In 20 years time, if Bamber is still alive, and anyone is still interested, have another go. Bore us all shitless with the phone call that Ralph never made, and Sheila shooting herself and running around the house, barking like a dog, and the magical blood in the silencer. In passing, have a shred of respect for Colin.
And I promise you. Bamber will still be banged up, grey as a badger's arse, grizzling that he didn't do it. But he did. And nothing will change. Ever.
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Still waiting for you and me to have a Bamber-off, passer by.
Guess you know when you're whooped.
Toods!!
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Still waiting for you and me to have a Bamber-off, passer by.
Guess you know when you're whooped.
Toods!!
passer-by....I can see that you're typing madly with your chimpy opposable thumbs. But I'm off to bed. I'll catch you in the morning. Let me know if it's something relevant.
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I could (if I could be arsed) rip all of this to shreds. It's been done to death, and we're all tired of the barrel being scraped.
In 20 years time, if Bamber is still alive, and anyone is still interested, have another go. Bore us all shitless with the phone call that Ralph never made, and Sheila shooting herself and running around the house, barking like a dog, and the magical blood in the silencer. In passing, have a shred of respect for Colin.
And I promise you. Bamber will still be banged up, grey as a badger's arse, grizzling that he didn't do it. But he did. And nothing will change. Ever.
When did I say Sheila was barking like a dog?
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passer-by....I can see that you're typing madly with your chimpy opposable thumbs. But I'm off to bed. I'll catch you in the morning. Let me know if it's something relevant.
Alas no: one finger :-P
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Morning Puglove! I deduce from your post above that you didn't read mine and your opinion on what I might have said is coloured by what you've heard from the legendary 'blue' forum.
To clarify: I have expressly said I don't see how Sheila could have moved around the house after shooting herself and I've never said she impersonated a dog - that's so weird I can't understand how you arrived at it?! I'd say it was likely the dog was barking like a dog: simple things are simple. I'm a bit surprised if it was Bamber that he didn't shoot it for being noisy and annoying.
As I have posted elsewhere I think most of the problem with this case is people reading far more into what happened than is necessary, kicking off with 'no-one can shoot themselves in the head twice therefore it must be murder'.
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Morning Puglove! I deduce from your post above that you didn't read mine and your opinion on what I might have said is coloured by what you've heard from the legendary 'blue' forum.
To clarify: I have expressly said I don't see how Sheila could have moved around the house after shooting herself and I've never said she impersonated a dog - that's so weird I can't understand how you arrived at it?! I'd say it was likely the dog was barking like a dog: simple things are simple. I'm a bit surprised if it was Bamber that he didn't shoot it for being noisy and annoying.
As I have posted elsewhere I tfhink most of the problem with this case is people reading far more into what happened than is necessary, kicking off with 'no-one can shoot themselves in the head twice therefore it must be murder'.
I couldn't agree with you more. It's so bloody obvious who was responsible. Time to move on.
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Sounds like you might as well close this website then Sika.
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Sounds like you might as well close this website then Sika.
There are plenty of other topics on here, you know?
Also, I always enjoy reading certain posters contributions, whether they be about Bamber, or stinky horses and dogs!
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There are plenty of other topics on here, you know?
Also, I always enjoy reading certain posters contributions, whether they be about Bamber, or stinky horses and dogs!
I'm not stopping you from looking at them.
But if you're setting the rule that no-one can discuss topics that have already been discussed you need to put some new murder cases up on the site, don't you?
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I'm not stopping you from looking at them.
But if you're setting the rule that no-one can discuss topics that have already been discussed you need to put some new murder cases up on the site, don't you?
You seem to misunderstand me. I have absolutely no problem with anyone talking about anything they like. If I'm not interested, I simply don't read it.
I have always been rather intrigued by the Rettendon murders (Essex Boys), even though I'm sure that they have convicted the right men. I would contribute a great deal to that particular subject. I'm not one for setting agendas, so I won't be putting any new murder cases up on the site.
With regard to Bamber discussion, I dip in every now and then to check for new developments. Although I'm utterly convinced that Jeremy is guilty as charged, something keeps dragging me back! I reckon it must be because I'm interested in the personalities arguing the toss, rather than in the case itself.
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I have just joined after reading multiple documents, watching numerous documentaries on mr. bamber. I am a psychiatric nurse of some twenty years experience. I remember seeing Jeremy at the time and a cold shiver goingthrough me. cold shivers are not indicative of guilt of course. I took months to read through everything and was shocked at the inept investigation of EP. I have worked with very ill people and people who would fool you into thinking they were senior vips. very intelligent, articulate with no remorse or acknowledgement of their crimes. some have sworn on their mothers'lives they didn't do it. because they truly believe that they didn't. there are two separate issues. the EP were appalling in their investigations, errors at all angles and that is inexcusable when five people lay dead. however, and that's a big however, that doesn't negate the evidence that eventually came to light . I believe Jeremy did do it but that he honestly has no recollection or belief that he did. I have seen on multiple occasions. even when confronted with contemporaneous evidence I have seen denial of the most heinous of crimes. as for the lie detector, if you truly believe you didn't do it, you will pass .&%&£(+
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I have just joined after reading multiple documents, watching numerous documentaries on mr. bamber. I am a psychiatric nurse of some twenty years experience. I remember seeing Jeremy at the time and a cold shiver goingthrough me. cold shivers are not indicative of guilt of course. I took months to read through everything and was shocked at the inept investigation of EP. I have worked with very ill people and people who would fool you into thinking they were senior vips. very intelligent, articulate with no remorse or acknowledgement of their crimes. some have sworn on their mothers'lives they didn't do it. because they truly believe that they didn't. there are two separate issues. the EP were appalling in their investigations, errors at all angles and that is inexcusable when five people lay dead. however, and that's a big however, that doesn't negate the evidence that eventually came to light . I believe Jeremy did do it but that he honestly has no recollection or belief that he did. I have seen on multiple occasions. even when confronted with contemporaneous evidence I have seen denial of the most heinous of crimes. as for the lie detector, if you truly believe you didn't do it, you will pass .&%&£(+
Hi and welcome to the forum nurse ann.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3.msg3#msg3
Your post contains some interesting points but it might be best if you set up a number of threads otherwise things get a bit unwieldy. For example:
- Were the police inept or what could they have done differently/improved on?
- Is JB in denial?
Etc
Thanks 8((()*/
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I have just joined after reading multiple documents, watching numerous documentaries on mr. bamber. I am a psychiatric nurse of some twenty years experience. I remember seeing Jeremy at the time and a cold shiver goingthrough me. cold shivers are not indicative of guilt of course. I took months to read through everything and was shocked at the inept investigation of EP. I have worked with very ill people and people who would fool you into thinking they were senior vips. very intelligent, articulate with no remorse or acknowledgement of their crimes. some have sworn on their mothers'lives they didn't do it. because they truly believe that they didn't. there are two separate issues. the EP were appalling in their investigations, errors at all angles and that is inexcusable when five people lay dead. however, and that's a big however, that doesn't negate the evidence that eventually came to light . I believe Jeremy did do it but that he honestly has no recollection or belief that he did. I have seen on multiple occasions. even when confronted with contemporaneous evidence I have seen denial of the most heinous of crimes. as for the lie detector, if you truly believe you didn't do it, you will pass .&%&£(+
Welcome to the forum Ann, I have only just seen your posts which I find most compelling. My own views have been along those very same lines since getting involved in the Bamber case. I agree with your sentiments, I think Jeremy honestly believes he is innocent because the alternative is just too dreadful for him to contemplate.
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I have just joined after reading multiple documents, watching numerous documentaries on mr. bamber. I am a psychiatric nurse of some twenty years experience. I remember seeing Jeremy at the time and a cold shiver goingthrough me. cold shivers are not indicative of guilt of course. I took months to read through everything and was shocked at the inept investigation of EP. I have worked with very ill people and people who would fool you into thinking they were senior vips. very intelligent, articulate with no remorse or acknowledgement of their crimes. some have sworn on their mothers'lives they didn't do it. because they truly believe that they didn't. there are two separate issues. the EP were appalling in their investigations, errors at all angles and that is inexcusable when five people lay dead. however, and that's a big however, that doesn't negate the evidence that eventually came to light . I believe Jeremy did do it but that he honestly has no recollection or belief that he did. I have seen on multiple occasions. even when confronted with contemporaneous evidence I have seen denial of the most heinous of crimes. as for the lie detector, if you truly believe you didn't do it, you will pass .&%&£(+
i agree lie detectors are in the same category as tarot cards and astrology
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More falsehoods today:
Mike T states:
Many crime scene photographs were not reproduced by the COLPinvestigators because they contained images where police officers were caught on camera posing with the bodies of victims, or in Jeremy's own words, the cops treated the bodies of his family like props in a film production, and I believe that Jeremy complained about this to somebody or other, but his complaint got nowhere...
Jeremy Bamber:
Murderer Jeremy Bamber has accused police of using his family’s bodies as “props” in a secret training exercise hours after they were found shot.
He has discovered armed officers had already secured the scene when another team of marksmen entered the farmhouse where the corpses of his parents, sister and nephews lay.
The police papers from 1985 say their role there was for “informatives”, which basically means training.
But Bamber claims the eight-man rookie unit trampled over the crime scene – and argues it supports his case he is innocent.
The fresh evidence comes as the Criminal Cases Review Commission meets today to decide if he should get a final appeal 25 years after he was jailed for life.
In a letter to the Mirror, Bamber, 50, said: “It is just too awful to think senior police management sanctioned the training of other firearms officers using my dear old mum and dad and Sheila as props in their informatives.
“There is no way I could have been prosecuted had police admitted carrying out training exercises in the house before, during and after crime scene photos were taken. It’s not like me to cry very much but I can’t seem to stop myself.”
Bamber has been researching over 100,000 documents about his case in his cell in HMP Full Sutton.
Papers he found earlier this month suggest 43 officers from Essex police entered White House Farm, in Tolleshunt D’Arcy in 1985 – 17 more than was declared at his original trial.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-police-used-my-familys-107641
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And let's not forget this http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,845.0/nowap.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-jeremy-bamber-files-exclusive-audio-191151
When you compare and contrast all of Bambers audio recordings along with his blogs and letters, which are in the public domain, the contradictions and lies in his varying versions jump out thus exposing his quote apparent guilt!
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Allow me to correct a falsehood in the case, that JB was involved. Sheila killed her family then herself. Any other suggestion is a hoax of unprecedented evil against an innocent man.
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Hi Samson. That Jeremy was the culprit is no longer seriously debated. The golden age of free Bamber is more than a decade past. His last attempt at an appeal was batted away in under an hour and nothing new has come to light since.
Thank goodness there was no miscarriage of justice here. Justice has been done and all that remains is for Jeremy to salve his conscience and confess.
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Allow me to correct a falsehood in the case, that JB was involved. Sheila killed her family then herself. Any other suggestion is a hoax of unprecedented evil against an innocent man.
Take a boat trip over to Waiheke, Samson, and have a word with Brett. He'll put you straight!
Hope you're enjoying the series... or not as the case may be.
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Quite a storm on Twitter currently over this still, obviously stirred up by the ITV drama White House Farm. JB and his acolytes from his support group are doing quite well actually - in shooting themselves in their collective feet! by repeatedly coming out with demonstrably untrue and/or disingenous comments.
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Allow me to correct a falsehood in the case, that JB was involved. Sheila killed her family then herself. Any other suggestion is a hoax of unprecedented evil against an innocent man.
Why is it that all the few people such as yourself who wrongly believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent, all share the same type of psyches?
You all refuse to accept he’s a cold-blooded murderer despite the overwhelming evidence against him.
I’m interested to know how you all tick...
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Fact No 1 Sheila was not bleeding when the police arrived
Sheila Caffell was NOT bleeding per sé when the police entered the scene of the murders. When her body was found it was photographed in situ several times both before and after being checked out for any signs of life. In the first photograph taken by a police photographer it is obvious that blood had welled up in her mouth and throat effectively forming a reservoir of blood which had not yet congealed. After death some of this blood had seeped from her mouth and a nostril and can be seen to have trickled down both sides of her face and congealed. There is no evidence of continued bleeding from her mouth or from the two gunshot wounds to her throat.
(http://i.imgur.com/r5SkwHH.jpg?1)
Just looking at the photograph of Sheila, what do we make of the arm at her head. I just wonder how, if she shot herself her arm would be in that position at her head- should it not be by her side or still on the trigger/near the gun trigger?
It is these little details that get me...
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Just looking at the photograph of Sheila, what do we make of the arm at her head. I just wonder how, if she shot herself her arm would be in that position at her head- should it not be by her side or still on the trigger/near the gun trigger?
It is these little details that get me...
To answer your question our kid, she was probably moved at some point to check for vitals.
I doubt she can even reach the trigger (although I'm very aware that no doubt someone has done the math), irrespective of the fact that who shoots themselves in the neck? TWICE?
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To answer your question our kid, she was probably moved at some point to check for vitals.
I doubt she can even reach the trigger (although I'm very aware that no doubt someone has done the math), irrespective of the fact that who shoots themselves in the neck? TWICE?
General, Sheila wasn’t moved at all.
As soon as the raid police found her dead on the floor, they radioed over “Female, late 20s deceased”
It was obvious she was dead just by looking at her. There was no need to check for vitals as it was patently clear she’d been dead for a long time.
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How many crime scene photos do we have?
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How many crime scene photos do we have?
Less than a handful, and some of those are out of focus screenshots from online documentaries.