New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Venturi Swirl]

Most days I don't even give them a thought - and why should I, they mean nothing to me.

You've made nearly 15,000 posts on this forum alone, virtually all on the subject of Madeleine's disappearance so though they all mean nothing to you, they clearly mean something to you, otherwise why the hell have you been posting here so prolifically?  If they truly meant nothing whatsoever to you and you scarcely ever gave them a thought this forum would never have been "blessed" with your presence.  I think you enjoy thinking about them and sharing your thoughts - in a negative way of course. 

[barrier]

Most days I don't even give them a thought - and why should I, they mean nothing to me.

I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

[Wonderfulspam]

I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Wolters has all the answers, coming soon after the Behan trial, so I'm reliably informed. Not by Wolters, mind.

[Brietta]

I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

I don't think you are "getting it" with that excerpt from the Portuguese archiving of the case in 2008 which in effect wrote Madeleine off.

It illustrates a complete and utter FAILURE on the part of the Portuguese police.

Much as the German investigations into crimes committed by an ex pat in Portugal has indicated the system failures of Portuguese justice system to an astonished world

My opinion is that the questions you find so important are all in the process of being answered as the German investigation into the crimes of Brueckner are about to reach the courts.

Pity it took till 2022 for that to happen.  And extraordinary that we are watching German justice in operation - not Portuguese!

[Eleanor]

I have ceased to imagine that The Portuguese Police are capable of investigating anything, let alone a convicted Paedophile who was right under their noses.

All that The PJ are good for is beating an ignorant peasant and making an Arguido of a suspect that The Germans found.  A suspect that Portugal will never get their hands on.  But Shame doesn't seem to be a Portuguese attribute.

[Venturi Swirl]

I'm of the same, Im just waiting on the  following from the PJ legal summary to be answered.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

What an absolute pig of a translation that is!  Where did you dig it up from?  Google translate?

[faithlilly]

You really do get enmeshed in serious trivia all related to groundhog day for the subject of your posts.

What matters now (circa 2022) is that the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is sitting in goal in Germany convicted of crimes against women, having just been charged with more serious crimes against women and children.

Madeleine's parents and we the general public, are aware that separate from these heinous crimes, the intention is to use the evidence gathered over a series of years to charge this proven pervert with Madeleine's murder.

I shudder to think what Kate, Gerry and the rest of Madeleine's family are going through just now and I don't understand the motivation of those who spend each day working out how best to add to their burden which must be next to unbearable as it is.

Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.

[Venturi Swirl]

Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.

So it is a game?  Just checking.

[faithlilly]

So it is a game?  Just checking.

Of course not but I do enjoy pomposity being punctured.

[Brietta]

So it is a game?  Just checking.

Please excuse them VS.

If it is a game they play - they really are not very good at it.  What they thought was the perfect put down was actually a bit premature as far as the back-slapping was concerned.

They think they've got one up by answering my post "We know that among the first things that Rebelo did when he took over the case, was to visit the scene and to walk in the direction taken by the man Jane Tanner saw on the night of 3rd.
Despite the plethora of photographs taken at the time, I've not seen Amaral in any." with a post "Rebelo took over on 8th October. He visited 5A (his first visit to PdL) on 29th October."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

Totally in denial of the knowledge that Rebelo did not enjoy a seamless hand over from one professional to another.  It was at least a fortnight after takeover before any meaningful work could be taken because of the mess inherited from Amaral and his crew.

The knowledge which led to the abortive knocking on Brueckner's door quite obviously did not survive the transition and lay neglected until Amaral suddenly spewed it out in the midst of the German investigation.


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Don't you just love the way sceptics have to rewrite history to make their points.  Rebelo was faced with a monumental mess on takeover from Amaral; it is only thanks to him that they have had files to play with over the years as he had to waste resources digitising and trying to make sense of loose paperwork lying about all over the place!

Madeleine: New police chief's fury over the mess he inherited from his predecessor
By IAN GALLAGHER

Last updated at 22 October 2007


Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.

According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.
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Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.

"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."

Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11381.msg688590#msg688590

As I said ~ they are absolute rubbish at it ~ but it seems to keep them happy enough, so best to leave them to their own devices.

[Eleanor]

It never has taken much effort to gainsay Sceptics.

[G-Unit]

Lesson learned…if you state something as a fact, make sure you’ve checked your information first.

Well played G.

I like accuracy and can't understand why people make inaccurate claims as that weakens their arguments and their credibility. It took 7 days for Amaral to visit PdL and 3 weeks for Rebelo to get there, so as an example Rebelo was a bad choice. Those trying to discredit Amaral will clutch at any straw without worrying about accuracy imo.

[Venturi Swirl]

I like accuracy and can't understand why people make inaccurate claims as that weakens their arguments and their credibility. It took 7 days for Amaral to visit PdL and 3 weeks for Rebelo to get there, so as an example Rebelo was a bad choice. Those trying to discredit Amaral will clutch at any straw without worrying about accuracy imo.

The fact that it took Amaral 7 days to get to PdL in the circumstances is utterly incomprehensible given the circumstances, especially as he had apparently already decided the parents were involved on day 1.  What was he actually doing in those 7 days and why did he not think it might be helpful to visit the scene of thr crime when events were still fresh in everyone’s minds?   It’s utterly bizarre but I suppose you’re going to pull the “he was only the co-ordinator” card again.  What does that actually entail?   Because if it involves collating and cross-referencing vital intelligence pouring into the police station he doesn’t appear to have done a very good job does he?  Not if it took his predecessor weeks to clear up the mess.

[G-Unit]

The fact that it took Amaral 7 days to get to PdL in the circumstances is utterly incomprehensible given the circumstances, especially as he had apparently already decided the parents were involved on day 1.  What was he actually doing in those 7 days and why did he not think it might be helpful to visit the scene of thr crime when events were still fresh in everyone’s minds?   It’s utterly bizarre but I suppose you’re going to pull the “he was only the co-ordinator” card again.  What does that actually entail?   Because if it involves collating and cross-referencing vital intelligence pouring into the police station he doesn’t appear to have done a very good job does he?  Not if it took his predecessor weeks to clear up the mess.

Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?

[Lace]

Firstly you don't know when Amaral's first visit to PdL took place, you only know the date of his first recorded visit. Secondly you have no idea what he was doing because you don't have his job description. Therefore your criticisms are based purely upon your opinions, which may well be wrong.

Who was this predecessor btw? Or is it his successor you're referring to?

What we do know however,  is that the McCann's saw him for the first time when they attended court.