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Other High Profile Cases and Persons of Interest => The murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates in Bristol in December 2010. => Topic started by: [...] on March 31, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
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With the earlier reports I feel, being more accurate and with long threads things get lost, I thought I'd start here explaining how the descriptions and reports of the case first unfolded:
I'll start with an earlier post I made which people may find difficult to see it in the main thread:
This is transcript from the youtube video Dated: 28th December 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noQpXm0HQU
Police Announce Murder Inquiry:Launched over death of Joanna Yeates:
At 9:30 mins:
Daily Mirror
Was Joanna fully clothed when she was found?
Policeman Replies:
She was clothed .. yes
Remember he said... Clothed
DailyMail Reporter
Was there anything missing from her person...... er...Items of clothing at all ... like a shoe or?
Policeman Replies:
erm..She was fully clothed... so..
He SAYS FULLY CLOTHED!!!!
So No SKI SOCK????
At This point he could have said, I'm not at liberty to say!!!
Another Reporter asks:
Can I just Check.. we heard coat was in that the... was in the same coat she was photographed or caught on CCTV was that in the Flat? Is That Correct?
Policeman Replies:
Yes..
Reporter Says:
Did she have a coat on when she was found?
Policeman replies:
erm... As I said she was fully clothed..
Again... FULLY CLOTHED...... "So nothing missing"
Reporter asks:
You can't say whether she had a coat on or not.....?
Policeman replies:
Well I'm not prepared to discuss at this stage..
This is ODD.....
When did the MISSING SKI SOCK , become Part of the investigation.... ( 5th January if you remember!!!)
He has already said more than once that when they found Joanna Yeates ....She was FULLY CLOTHED!!!!!...
The Reporter even asks if any ITEMS of clothing were missing.... he gives an example of.....LIKE A SHOE!!
The Policeman keeps with that she was FULLY CLOTHED........
So when did the BOOTS suddenly become part of the items left in the flat??? AND The SKI SOCK become the TROPHY???????
What exactly was Joanna Yeates wearing when they found her???
Because according to the Policeman leading the Investigation... She was fully clothed!!!!!!!!!
What happened in this Investigation!! It's gone from:
FULLY CLOTHED with NO SIGNIFICANT INJURIES
To............
MISSING A SKI SOCK AND 43 Injuries through fighting for her Life?
So did Joanna yeates have a Jacket or something similar on seeing as the Policeman keep saying she was fully clothed....
If that is the case... Does this also prove that Dr Vincent Tabak could NOT have been involved:
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I think when you look at the earlier Police Press conferences... even if they do not give loads of information or detail.. They are probably the more acurate as to what is and has happened on a daily basis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noQpXm0HQU
I want to try and understand how they went from this:
Avon and Somerset Police Conference: Police Announce death of Joanna:
They are taking questions: At 7:13 mins
DATED 28th December 2010:
Caroline from The Daily Telegraph:
Was there any other marks on Joanna's body aside from round her neck?
The Policemans's Reply:
Nothing significant.... As I said the cause of death was a erm.. was er.a compression to the neck which was strangulation..erm and the cause of death
Caroline:
No marks on her at all?
The Policeman:
Well erm... Nothing significant
How did it go from that original STATEMENT that there were no significant injuries to joanna Yeates to:.......
Headline in the Evening standard:
Joanna Yeates suffered 43 injuries in desperate fight against strangler'
Tuesday 11 October 2011
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/joanna-yeates-suffered-43-injuries-in-desperate-fight-against-strangler-6452369.html
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Who was at the gate???
Chris Jefferies, 65, spotted the trio shortly after 9pm on December 17th – not long after Jo arrived home alone – as he parked his car in the street. Avon and Somerset Police yesterday confirmed it was exploring the landlord’s evidence.
Mr Jefferies said: ”Everything I am aware of I have told the police and I really don’t want to talk about it.” Another resident of 44 Canynge Road, Geoffrey Hardyman, 78, who lives the top floor flat, said: ”He saw people coming out after dark as he was parking his car.
”I don’t think he was really paying any attention but just assumed they were from flat 1 – Joanna’s flat. ”He didn’t know if they were male or female. It was after about 9pm and he thought they must have been her with friends, or just friends of hers.”
One close neighbour said: ”The landlord of the building has said he saw Jo leaving with two people on the Friday night she disappeared.”
Another Canynge Road resident, who does not want to be named, said there had been reports of other people acting suspiciously in the area. He said: ”Somebody living in the area observed people acting suspiciously in sufficient detail on the night Jo went missing.
”They have a much clearer idea of who these people might be.”
According to this the police where aware as to the identity of the people at the gate...
Her flat is about a ten minute walk from the shop. If Mr Jefferies’ evidence is correct, it would mean Jo left her flat with the two mysterious people within ten minutes of arriving home. Jo’s body was found three miles away in Longwood Lane, Failand, at 9am on Christmas Day. She had been strangled.
http://swns.com/news/jo-yeates-landlord-claims-she-left-her-flat-with-two-mysterious-people-on-the-night-she-dissapeared-12707/
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What happened to the piece of CRUCIAL NEW EVIDENCE?????
COPS hunting the killer of Joanna Yeates have ordered forensic tests on a
piece of crucial new evidence.
Sources said an item handed into police in recent days is “highly significant”.
The find, which has been sent for DNA analysis, is NOT Jo’s missing
sock.
Cops refused to say whether it was the missing pizza she bought on December
17, the night she vanished in Bristol, or its container.
Soil and pollen tests are also expected to be carried out within the next 48
hours.
That suggests the item may have been dropped by the killer as Jo’s body was
dumped.
A police source said: “The results could bring detectives closer to finding
her murderer.
Did it just disappear into thin air.... it never came to trial... so what was it?????
Article dated 11th January 2011
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/300493/jo-crucial-clue-found/
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What happened to the piece of CRUCIAL NEW EVIDENCE?????
Did it just disappear into thin air.... it never came to trial... so what was it?????
Article dated 11th January 2011
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/300493/jo-crucial-clue-found/
I have always wondered about this.
And, as you say, it didn't come to trial, so I assume it wasn't Vincent Tabak's credit card----------------
Now, that would, at least, have been what I would call good evidence!!
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I think i'm going with leonora on this one:...
The missing persons case of Joanna Yeates was NEVER a missing person case (IMO)
Operation Braid was dealt like a Murder case from the begining no matter how they dress it up...
They knew what she was last seen wearing, yet they never gave a description of the clothing she was last seen in, as I believe that they were at home, because Greg was busy trying to work out what she had worn!!
Maybe this is the reason that Greg talks of Joanna Yeates in the past tense in his one and only media interview... They are conducting there searches as if she is dead!!!!
How many times do they need to have access to the flats at Canygne Road if she is just Missing???? Check once then you know she is not there.... but they didn't,, they came back time and again before she was even found!!!
No time elapsed to see whether or not she would turn up for work on Monday... ordinarily Police give it HOURS before a search even takes place.... Think about it... how many missing people do we have every day???
Plenty, and the police do not start naming an Operation in regards to finding this adult who could have freely left her home...
Think of all the recent NHS Junior doctors who have gone missing and the searches have already been called off... So why this case??????? What made them believe that foul play had ensued??? And what made them start an investigation that would cost millions of pounds without any proof that she was dead????
What was in that flat???? there was something about that flat that made them look at this investigation in a different way to any other... If she had been a child i could understand the urgency... But not a full grown adult with a mind of her own!!
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It was only after the trial that we learnt from Lindsay Lennen's interviews that her company had carried out forensic examinations of Joanna's flat and her bedding well before her body was found. That is another indication that they suspected she was dead. Did they already KNOW she was dead?
Publicly eliminating Greg Reardon within three days of his reporting her missing suggests that the police already knew a great deal more than has ever been revealed, unless it was just one of their many lies intended to lay a smokescreen. If the police genuinely knew so early on that he was blameless, then they must also have known at the same time who was responsoble. In that case, arresting the innocent landlord made no sense at all - unless that too was a diversionary measure. Nor did waiting so long to arrest Vincent Tabak make any sense.
This is a paradox that those on this forum who refuse to concede even that Vincent Tabak might have been wrongly convicted have singularly failed even to talk about.
I am confident that the police had a great deal going on during that first week that we know nothing at all about - include suspecting persons quite unknown to us. In the meantime, Christopher Jefferies is still "at large", publicising how incompetent the police of Avon & Somerset were. If the police have nothing to hide, then it really is in their interest to open up about this paradox to the eager makers of TV documentaries.
Until the police do this, I for one will go on suspecting a really big conspiracy and cover-up. And Greg Reardon would do himself no harm by revealing publicly exactly how it was detectives eliminated him so quickly.
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It was only after the trial that we learnt from Lindsay Lennen's interviews that her company had carried out forensic examinations of Joanna's flat and her bedding well before her body was found. That is another indication that they suspected she was dead. Did they already KNOW she was dead?
Publicly eliminating Greg Reardon within three days of his reporting her missing suggests that the police already knew a great deal more than has ever been revealed, unless it was just one of their many lies intended to lay a smokescreen. If the police genuinely knew so early on that he was blameless, then they must also have known at the same time who was responsoble. In that case, arresting the innocent landlord made no sense at all - unless that too was a diversionary measure. Nor did waiting so long to arrest Vincent Tabak make any sense.
This is a paradox that those on this forum who refuse to concede even that Vincent Tabak might have been wrongly convicted have singularly failed even to talk about.
I am confident that the police had a great deal going on during that first week that we know nothing at all about - include suspecting persons quite unknown to us. In the meantime, Christopher Jefferies is still "at large", publicising how incompetent the police of Avon & Somerset were. If the police have nothing to hide, then it really is in their interest to open up about this paradox to the eager makers of TV documentaries.
Until the police do this, I for one will go on suspecting a really big conspiracy and cover-up. And Greg Reardon would do himself no harm by revealing publicly exactly how it was detectives eliminated him so quickly.
I can assure you that you cannot believe a word that police state when interviewed in the early stages of an investigation. They withhold facts for a very good reason which I have dealt with previously on another thread. The term fully clothed doesn't mean anything so please don't infer it does. The only person who can be relied upon to accurately report on how she was dressed was the dog walker who found her.
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It was only after the trial that we learnt from Lindsay Lennen's interviews that her company had carried out forensic examinations of Joanna's flat and her bedding well before her body was found. That is another indication that they suspected she was dead. Did they already KNOW she was dead?
Yes, indeed leonora...
Where did Greg stay???
Because if she was a missing person, you would have thought he would have stayed at the flat waiting on her possible return... you just wouldn't want to leave it just incase, she phoned or returned!!!!
Same with the parents... where did they stay... I had assumed they were all at the flat but they can't have been!!!
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I can assure you that you cannot believe a word that police state when interviewed in the early stages of an investigation. They withhold facts for a very good reason which I have dealt with previously on another thread. The term fully clothed doesn't mean anything so please don't infer it does. The only person who can be relied upon to accurately report on how she was dressed was the dog walker who found her.
And the Police who were there when she was discovered, and at this point they should know if her clothing differed from what she had worn to work on the Friday 17th December 2010!
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I was re watching The Judge Rinder Program about The Joanna Yeates Case looking for the ear-ring comment, because I couldn't remember where I first found it.... Anyway I came across parts of interviews with her parents:
At 7:45 on the video ..
he expected Jo to be there and expected the house to be in a certain state.. And Jo wasn't there and the house wasn't in the state he expected
Now there's always been difficulty pin pointing what the flat looked like when Greg returned from Sheffield...
But then Theresa goes on to say:.. At 10:50 on the video
There was no washing up that had been done... it was very untidy
Seems minor.... But we now know Greg didn't wash up when he returned... I cannot imagine Joanna Yeates mother doing the washing when she arrived at the flat after believing her daughter has been abducted...
Question:.. Where are the photographs of the washing up that was needing to be done in the kitchen in any of the crime scene photographs?????
Because we only ever see a pristine crime scene (picture attached)... Where's the washing up in the picture below????
Remember when the flat was shown to the Jury they said it was a TIME CAPSULE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ3GuwcEU6c&t=439s
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I can assure you that you cannot believe a word that police state when interviewed in the early stages of an investigation. They withhold facts for a very good reason which I have dealt with previously on another thread. The term fully clothed doesn't mean anything so please don't infer it does. The only person who can be relied upon to accurately report on how she was dressed was the dog walker who found her.
If no credibility at all could be attached to the information imparted by police in press conferences, then no journalist would bother to turn up and no reader would bother to read what was reported. I do not dispute that the police can be expected to withhold significant facts, for the very reasons that you posted before. I don't dispute that they are justified in telling some lies, for the same reasons. However, in this case the police undoubtedly told more lies than are normal.
In a state based on the rule of law, the police ultimately have a very important, fundamental and acknowledged obligation to tell the truth at the end of the day and to act transparently.
In any case, my post to which you responded was not about the state of Joanna's body at all. It was primarily about the elimination of one potential suspect and the arrest and release of another. In my post, I explained why the police behaved anomalously, regardless of their intermediate need to mislead the public.
Since you mention the dog-walkers, however, I would like to mention that their evidence remains hearsay, since neither of them testified in person. The man's witness statement was read out by a junior barrister, who may have omitted to read the whole statement, since it didn't describe such crucial facts as where the dog-walkers had parked their car, where they found the body, what clothes they could see on her, nor the posture the body was lying in.
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If no credibility at all could be attached to the information imparted by police in press conferences, then no journalist would bother to turn up and no reader would bother to read what was reported. I do not dispute that the police can be expected to withhold significant facts, for the very reasons that you posted before. I don't dispute that they are justified in telling some lies, for the same reasons. However, in this case the police undoubtedly told more lies than are normal.
In a state based on the rule of law, the police ultimately have a very important, fundamental and acknowledged obligation to tell the truth at the end of the day and to act transparently.
In any case, my post to which you responded was not about the state of Joanna's body at all. It was primarily about the elimination of one potential suspect and the arrest and release of another. In my post, I explained why the police behaved anomalously, regardless of their intermediate need to mislead the public.
Since you mention the dog-walkers, however, I would like to mention that their evidence remains hearsay, since neither of them testified in person. The man's witness statement was read out by a junior barrister, who may have omitted to read the whole statement, since it didn't describe such crucial facts as where the dog-walkers had parked their car, where they found the body, what clothes they could see on her, nor the posture the body was lying in.
Amazing that the dog walkers did not testify in person, when they had so much vital information. On the other hand, a Catholic priest, walking his dog, who would not have known Jo (since she wasn't a Catholic, and had only lived in the area for a few weeks) testified in person that the young lady he met must have been her.
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Yes, indeed leonora...
Where did Greg stay???
Because if she was a missing person, you would have thought he would have stayed at the flat waiting on her possible return... you just wouldn't want to leave it just incase, she phoned or returned!!!!
Same with the parents... where did they stay... I had assumed they were all at the flat but they can't have been!!!
"Yesterday, the day after he sobbed at a press conference appealing for her safe return, he was staying with her parents at their home in Ampfield, Hampshire."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html
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Does anyone have a link to the report early on that there was a van or car blocking access on Canygne Road on that Friday evening???
I'm sure I read someone called the police about the van... was that on the night or after??? I thought it was on the night..
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Interesting report:
DETECTIVES hunting Jo Yeates’ killer are probing whether he may have returned to the scene just hours after dumping her body.
A mystery couple reported a suspicious car driving along the road where Jo’s lifeless body was found – before anyone knew the 25-year-old was even missing.
They told police they had seen a car driving slowly up and down Longwood Lane three or four times on the morning after Jo was last seen.
Their 999 call was lodged 36 hours before Jo’s boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27, reported her missing.
Greg Reardon Reported her missing at 1:00am Monday 20th December 2010
24 hrs before that = 1am Sunday 19th December 2010
12 hours before that is 1:00pm Saturday 18th December 2010
Be interesting to see this call log... And what type of vehicle...
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I have always believed that the various reports of cars driving up and down Longwood Lane suspiciously were disinformation issued to the press by the police, probably to impress on the minds of the public that Joanna's body had been dumped on the Friday night or very early on the Saturday morning, and that the killer may have returned to the scene in daylight. Only those witnesses whose names are published, or who did not want their names to be made public, should be taken as credible.
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I have always believed that the various reports of cars driving up and down Longwood Lane suspiciously were disinformation issued to the press by the police, probably to impress on the minds of the public that Joanna's body had been dumped on the Friday night or very early on the Saturday morning, and that the killer may have returned to the scene in daylight. Only those witnesses whose names are published, or who did not want their names to be made public, should be taken as credible.
If witness's are saying they called the Police 36 hours before Greg called the Police.. then there should be a Police log of this call.. with the date and time!!
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If witness's are saying they called the Police 36 hours before Greg called the Police.. then there should be a Police log of this call.. with the date and time!!
- and The Sun newspaper would have got hold of their names, address and phone numbers, and the name and breed of their dog, and rung them up to interview them. As their story didn't fit into the scenario that was finally used in court, it was certainly a false news item, most probably intended to deceive the perpetrator and maintain public interest and confidence in the investigation. So obviously, there wouldn't have been any log of the call.
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I understand from several different sources that a video interview or statement from Greg Reardon was made public on TV and the internet on Wednesday morning, 22 December 2010, but withdrawn permanently within just a few hours. I never saw it myself. At the same time, a fairly long statement from him, about Joanna and his feelings for her, appeared in most of the newspapers. I don't know whether this statement was reproduced from what he said in the video or not. I can imagine that either his family or the police had decided that publishing the video was a mistake, either because they felt it intruded into the privacy of a key witness, or because someone had something to hide. This episode occurred just after Chris Jefferies had signed his 2nd witness statement, which is one of the really big Achilles heels of this case. I speculate that this statement from the landlord may have contradicted something alleged in the video. The timing makes this too big a coincidence to be ignored.
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A lot of the earlier reports ended up missing... or have been removed.. And I saw a headline of one of the Newspapers, but when I went to look it had gone too... But another website had quoted from it:...
The note contained a scrap of pizza wrapping – not from the missing pizza one Joanna Yeates bought before she was killed. It features a bogus address and telephone number. It is not signed.
I always wondered why this evidence was never brought before the court... It would have been a slam dunk for the prosecution....
At 4.10 (pm) Tabak searched on Wikipedia for the words
‘Detention of a suspect’
‘letter and label sent to a public house’
Why would he be searching for the pizza label and letter when it was hand delivered on the 27th December 2010.. When Dr Vincent Tabak was in Cambridge at the Morsons... So it would be impossible for him to deliver the NOTE!!! (check screenshot)
Going back to the article:.....
Mystery!
But it’s top prize to the Daily Star, which forgets the dead woman’s name in its rush to yell:
“JOANNE ‘KILLER’ TAUNTS COPS”
It adds:
A senior police source said: “It is a truly astonishing development. It could only be interpreted that they were some how trying to taunt people over what they’d done.”
Really?
“But it could be a massive mistake. The letter would give us the individual’s handwriting and possible fingerprints.”
Good job everyone’s fingerprints are on file, so too samples of their handwriting…
Who are they referring too???
But it could be a massive mistake. The letter would give us the individual’s handwriting and possible fingerprints.”
Good job everyone’s fingerprints are on file, so too samples of their handwriting…
Do they know who this person is????? It cannot be Dr Vincent Tabak they are talking about... I'll say again it was physically impossible for Dr Vincent Tabak to have delivered this note as he was in Cambridge with the Morson's!
(1):Who's finger prints do the have on file???
(2): Who's handwriting do they also have samples of???
Who are they talking about?????
Maybe I have just found the answer as to WHY it was never brought to the attention of the Jury and just reeled off with all his other searches... because the prosecution KNEW that Dr Vincent Tabak had NOT sent this piece of evidence to the Public House!
Why didn't the defence query this?
The headline from the screen shot is weird... (JKOILALNERN'E TAUNTS COPS) it almost looks like an anagram of something..
Edit... It is an anagram of Joanne Killer..... Did they believe the killer did Anagrams ??
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
http://www.anorak.co.uk/270178/news/joanna-yeates-daily-star-renames-her-joanne-yeates-in-rush-to-nail-pizza-killer.html/
Edit.... I was going back to look about the Handwriting.... and the article seems to have disappeared... when it say about having a sample of the handwriting already?? weird!!
Screenshot from here : http://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-star/20110111/textview
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Can across this article, I had never read before....
Dated: By Craig Brown for the Daily Mail
UPDATED: 09:12, 4 January 2011
It's quite odd now in the context of how the media had vilified CJ.....
Thirty or 40 years on, it is these teachers — the ones with mad hair or dirty fingernails, the unsporty ones, the ones ‘obsessed’ by their subjects, the ‘eccentrics’ — who are remembered by their former pupils, who call them ‘inspirational’.
It then goes on to say or plant a seed in the readers mind(IMO)
Who wrote this letter from prison? ‘The police complain I’m boring. No mistresses, home abroad, money in Swiss banks, I’m normal. If that is boring, I am.’ The answer is Dr Harold Shipman.
Dr Crippen was similarly normal. One neighbour in Hilldrop Crescent called him ‘a pleasant, mild-mannered fellow, as docile as a kitten’.
He seemed to get on very well with the late Mrs Crippen. ‘I never heard them quarrel or exchange a cross word’ said a friend, who remembered Dr Crippen asking guests to lose against Mrs C at whist, so as not to upset her.
Fred West and Peter Sutcliffe displayed no signs of eccentricity. Reginald Christie, the Rillington Place killer, wore sensible horn-rimmed spectacles and was known as fastidious, even slightly priggish. Inspector Jennings, a colleague of this former policeman, described him as ‘a decent type of man’.
Followed by......
And herein lies the moral. The eccentrics have nothing to hide; it is the dull, normal types you should beware of.
Why on the 4th January 2011 are the Daily Mail inviting speculation, that it's "The Normal Types" you should be aware of?
Looking at this article now, throws a different complexion upon it.... What made the media change tact??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1343782/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Odd-truth-Christopher-Jefferies-great-teachers.html#ixzz4eYH6xSWW
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Another article dated :6:54AM GMT 05 Jan 2011
Headlines of the newspaper:
Joanna Yeates murder: architect 'told friends she would be alone'
Joanna Yeates told friends and colleagues that she would be alone in her new flat for the first time the weekend that the landscape architect was killed, it has been reported.
There were certainly many more likely people to have known that Joanna Yeates would be at home alone...
Police are trying to discover exactly who knew of her plans for the weekend she died and have analysed the emails and text messages of her friends, the Daily Mail disclosed.
Did they also take swobs from these people ?????
Police admit that they do not know where or when Miss Yeates was murdered and have not ruled out multiple killers.
So how DID they determine that it was on the Friday 17th December 2010?? oh yes I remember DCI Joe Goff said on Crimewatch that the screams the neighbours heard gave them the time of the murder!
But he forgot to take Kingdoms account into reports of neighbours hearing screams..
Multiple Killers... how many people did the Police believe were involved with her death... Multiple Killers suggests more than two... So how many???
A friend, who refused to be named, told the Daily Mail: "Jo was really looking forward to having the weekend to herself. They had only moved in a few weeks before in October and it had been very hectic with Christmas coming up.
"Jo was talking about baking mince pies and finishing her shopping. They'd been out almost every night before at parties and drinks, so she was probably looking forward to having a rest as well."
This comment again by an unnamed source gives a little bit more information than they realise....
They'd been out almost every night before at parties and drinks, so she was probably looking forward to having a rest as well.
Now if we all remember correctly.. Joanna Yeates had been off work for days being ill.... So this person is suggesting something completely different... Implying that Joanna Yeates had partied for the best part of a week and needed time to rest...
Why was she off work???? And where were all these parties she was attending.. held??? And more importantly.. who was at these parties that Joanna Yeates attended????
The friend added that the police had interviewed anyone who had had email or mobile phone contact with Miss Yeates in the week before she vanished.
So who had she been in contact with the week before she disappeared??? Where any of the people she had been in contact with that week at the parties she attended... This is a strange revelation indeed...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8240260/Joanna-Yeates-murder-architect-told-friends-she-would-be-alone.html
Edit:... The Police didn't know WHEN OR WHERE she was killed..
Which means they found NO evidence that she was killed in her flat.. also suggesting that she did in deed leave her flat.. And the supposed STRUGGLE in the flat could not have happened!!!
Going back to the week leading up to the crime... According to the source Greg too was aware that they had partied all week,.. why had he never said!!!
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I am a bit sceptical about newspaper reports!!
They vary re Joanna having been off work ill---some say she had been off for one day, some a few days. Some say she had a headache, some a cold.
Whether she and Greg had been partying every night is a matter of pure conjecture-----possibly some truth in it, as people do tend to party just before Christmas, and it seems that Jo and Greg were sociable people.
We are never going to know whether or not Jo was happy to have the weekend to herself.
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I've been trying to Identify this image of a Newspaper... which Newspaper it is and what is on the front page..
As most thing don't add up in this case , I was wondering if this is on the Friday???
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When was the wedding that Joanna Yeates and Greg attended ???
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leonora.. I have found something else which tesco's express did she go too..
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leonora.. I have found something else which tesco's express did she go too..
This one, in Clifton Village (photographed in 2015).
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I'm just trying to put these images together..... But....
I think she got home before she went to tesco's.... I can't be sure.. I'll post the video but I bet it goes walkabout.....
I'll do screen shots... Or after she spoke to Rebecca Scott at 8:30PM she went back towards tescos to buy the pizza.... she must have been expecting someone (IMO)
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This is going to be difficult,... I'm trying to identify where she rang Rebecca Scott... so lots of photo's
The screen shots show her journey from the ram pub to tesco's ..she goes some where else then walks back to tesco's it looks like... tell me if I am mistaken...
There are 9 images showing how she criss crosses across bristol... I'll link the video... can someone identify where the Rebecca Scott phone call is?? I think it's Clifton Park Road... It's exremely close to her home...
You can say the media get things wrong... But who gave them the info so they could make the map?? They had to be told something very early on....
I always found the Rebecca Scott phone call interesting... because they have changed things about the length of time it was ...
And I could never understand.. How she could talk to Joanna Yeates for 15 mins .. if she was supposed to be in Tesco Express at 8:37pm
But she could have talked to her for 15 minutes if Joanna Yeates went back to Tesco's express on regent street!!!!
Did she arrange for someone to come around to the house that evening????
Watch the video from about 1:50
https://www.channel4.com/news/boyfriend-desperately-wants-missing-bristol-woman-back
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“She was my future. This Christmas was going to be our first together. I was going to spend it with her family, which is always a big deal for a boyfriend.
How long had they been together????
If this was their first christmas together???
https://www.channel4.com/news/boyfriend-desperately-wants-missing-bristol-woman-back
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Police investigating her disappearance said they have taken a phone and laptop from Mr Reardon, although he is not a suspect. They were also been given private CCTV footage showing Canynge Road, where the couple lived.
He goes on to say:
Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “The thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
So where were all the people driving up and down Canygne Road on Friday Night and early hours of saturday evening???
Where is this PRIVATE CCTV that they have obviously viewed???
It should show Dr Vincent Tabak's Movements!!!!
https://www.channel4.com/news/boyfriend-desperately-wants-missing-bristol-woman-back
Edit: Why wasn't this CCTV played in court ..to show how Dr Vincent Tabak had brought his car from the road... Taken it to the drive .. put the body in the boot and driven to ASDA??
It would have shown all his movements on Canygne Road that evening... It would have been perfect ammunition for the Prosecution!!
Leonora... it may have added to the 2nd witness statement you mentioned... you would defo see if anyone had come in and out of that gate!!!! And whether Dr Vincent Tabak used that gate...
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Where was it the Priest saw her???? Was she on her way home or had she decided to go back out to buy the pizza???
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Leonora... it may have added to the 2nd witness statement you mentioned... you would defo see if anyone had come in and out of that gate!!!! And whether Dr Vincent Tabak used that gate...
The police were criticised while Joanna was still missing, for merely inviting private owners of CCTV in Canynge Road to hand in any recordings from the weekend in question that these owners had and thought might help! There is no doubt that Det Sup Mark Saunders was being evasive about what CCTV he had. I believe the police were anxious even then to avoid the identities of certain persons from being exposed by CCTV, and these may be the same persons who CJ may have identified positively in his still-unpublished 2nd witness statement.
I would have expected Chris Jefferies and his start-cable neighbour both to have installed CCTV on their properties, as they were both Neighbourhood Watch members. However, there has never been any indication that No. 44 and No. 42 were so equipped. Nor could I see anything that resembled CCTV when I strolled past in 2015.
Two of the persons who heard screams were seen on CCTV video clips shown in court to the jury. It was implied that these persons were the newly married, attractive Lehmans, Florian and Zoe, who also testified in person. Zoe was cross-examined, and was particularly convincing in her account of what she saw and heard. However, the location of the CCTV that captured them on the way to No. 53 was not stated, so there is no reason to deduce that it would have been able to show any people entering or leaving No. 44.
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This is going to be difficult,... I'm trying to identify where she rang Rebecca Scott... so lots of photo's
The screen shots show her journey from the ram pub to tesco's ..she goes some where else then walks back to tesco's it looks like... tell me if I am mistaken...
There are 9 images showing how she criss crosses across bristol... I'll link the video... can someone identify where the Rebecca Scott phone call is?? I think it's Clifton Park Road... It's exremely close to her home...
I have viewed the clip from TV and am sceptical about the big detour north Joanna is alleged to have taken to make the phone call. It was a good try with the screen shots, but it doesn't work for me, as you cannot make out where those without captions are.
I concede that the timestamp in Tesco Express MAY have been tampered with, but I don't find it necessary to conclude that. I don't believe we need to be so sceptical about the timings of her walk, but I endorse your suggestion that somewhere warm to text was her motive for entering Waitrose. Her first documented text was sent shortly after that, and the last one we have been told about was sent about the time she was in Bargain Booze. She probably telephoned Rebecca Scott while she was still inside Bargain Booze, and was still talking to her when she entered Tesco Express, which is only a short distance further on. She could have completed the phone call before paying for the pizza.
I agree with you that she spent time with someone whose existence has not been revealed. However, I don't support your conclusions. Unlike her colleagues at the Ram pub, she had not had a heavy lunch to tide her over, so I believe she left the pub mainly because she was hungry, and wanted company for dinner. I think her 4th attempt, made while she was in Bargain Booze, succeeded, and that is why she bought a 2nd bottle of cider there, and then went into Tesco Express for the pizza. As the pizza carton was not found, I believe she and the unknown friend ate it not in Jo's flat, but at the friend's place, a short time after she left Tesco Express.
I don't know why the police should wish to conceal the existence of this 4th friend, but since they did so, the relationship may have been less innocent than they want us to believe. Nor do I know why the police wish to conceal the nature of the contents of the black bag, but since they did so, I assume they were less innocent than they want us to believe, and possibly even something she bought in Waitrose.
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Why would a Sita employee be helping the Police to search drains??
https://www.channel4.com/news/sense-of-unease-around-joanna-yeates-murder-scene
From about 1 minute of the video... Why is the Sita employee lifting leaves out of a drain when this is a Murder enquiry...
Shouldn't that be The Polices Job.... "Forensics"....
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Why would a Sita employee be helping the Police to search drains??
https://www.channel4.com/news/sense-of-unease-around-joanna-yeates-murder-scene
From about 1 minute of the video... Why is the Sita employee lifting leaves out of a drain when this is a Murder enquiry...
Shouldn't that be The Polices Job.... "Forensics"....
The journalists themselves answer your first question quite overtly - explaining that people expect the police to be seen to be doing something to solve the murder, so they are putting on this show for us - or words to that effect.
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https://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-murder-police-search-neighbours-flat
So if they are searching Aberdeen Road they must have had a warrant ??
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I have viewed the clip from TV and am sceptical about the big detour north Joanna is alleged to have taken to make the phone call. It was a good try with the screen shots, but it doesn't work for me, as you cannot make out where those without captions are.
I concede that the timestamp in Tesco Express MAY have been tampered with, but I don't find it necessary to conclude that. I don't believe we need to be so sceptical about the timings of her walk, but I endorse your suggestion that somewhere warm to text was her motive for entering Waitrose. Her first documented text was sent shortly after that, and the last one we have been told about was sent about the time she was in Bargain Booze. She probably telephoned Rebecca Scott while she was still inside Bargain Booze, and was still talking to her when she entered Tesco Express, which is only a short distance further on. She could have completed the phone call before paying for the pizza.
View the footage Leonora from channel 4.... It might be easier to see the Journey...
Think its around 1:50 the journey starts..
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There are 9 images showing how she criss crosses across bristol... I'll link the video... can someone identify where the Rebecca Scott phone call is?? I think it's Clifton Park Road... It's exremely close to her home...
This news report is just plain WRONG. It makes no mention at all of Joanna's visit to Bargain Booze, which took place at 8.30 p.m. - the time the report (correctly) starts her phone conversation with Rebecca Scott. However, they place this at a point that I cannot identify. You think it is Clifton Park Road. But it is way off her route from Tesco Express to her home. How can the journalists have known where she was physically when the call initiated? There is a theoretical possibility that the cell mast the police traced the call to was located there, but on 23 December the police were still busy looking for CCTV and sifting rubbish to do clever stuff like tracking her mobile phone.
I think that, uncharacteristcally, you are following a wild goose chase with this.
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This is a Transcript from the video... I like to transcribe incase it disappears: DCI Phil Jones:
The Investigation into the death of 25 yr old Joanna Yeates is now a Murder Inquiry.... And I'm leading that Murder Investigation... As you know the Post Mortem Examination has taken Longer than usual.. because of the FROZEN Condition of her body..
The Pathologist completed his examination last night and concluded.. That the cause of her death was compression of the neck...Otherwise Strangulation... As a result of the findings of The Post Mortem we believe that Joanna's body has been in the roadside verge of Longwood Lane Failaland for Several Days....Until being discovered on Christmas Morning...
I'm keen to hear from anybody who saw anything or anyone acting suspiciously in the Longwood Lane area.... Particularly near the entrance od Durford Quarry over the last week... But in particular the weekend.. Friday 17th... Sunday 19th December...
This was the weekend when we experienced heavy snow in the area ...
Today we are continuing our meticulous search of the area which Joanna was found... In order make sure we capture any potential Evidence that may be there....
There are a number of other lines of inquiry we are pursuing one of these is inevitably going to be, how Joanna got from her home in Clifton... To Longwood Lane, which is about 3 miles away...
This means we will be looking at possible routes that could have been taken to get too and from those locations....
However this is just one of the number of routes that could have been tken and we need to make sure we cover every possibility...
Another line of Inquiry we are following up concerns the night of her diappearance.....We know that she had been in The Bristol RamPub on Park Street with work collegues...
We Know that she left the pub at 8:00pm on Friday December 17th and on her way home stopped at Waitrose on the Clifton Triangle.... We also know that she went to the Bargain Booze shop and Tesco Express Store in Regent Street Clifton.. where she bought a Pizza... leaving that store at 8:30pm...
We believe she then returned to her ground floor flat in Canygne Road Clifton.... because her keys, purse and bankcards were still there together with reciept from tesco's store ...
At The time she would have arrived home at approxamatley 8:45pm... There were other Pedestrians and vehicles in Canygne Road at that time and we would like anyone in the area to come forward......
Somebody out there does know what happened to Joanna ....
Somebody out there is holding that vital piece of information we need to help provide Joanna's family with the answers they need and want... We know some of her last movements on Friday 17th... We know where and when she was found... we know how she died... What we have to do next.. find out why she was killed and who is responsible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8228069/Murder-investigation-launched-as-post-mortem-reveals-Joanna-Yeates-was-strangled.html
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The Pathologist completed his examination last night and concluded.. That the cause of her death was compression of the neck...Otherwise Strangulation... As a result of the findings of The Post Mortem we believe that Joanna's body has been in the roadside verge of Longwood Lane Failaland for Several Days....Until being discovered on Christmas Morning...
I'm keen to hear from anybody who saw anything or anyone acting suspiciously in the Longwood Lane area.... Particularly near the entrance od Durford Quarry over the last week... But in particular the weekend.. Friday 17th... Sunday 19th December...
From the above post of mine:on page 3
So DCI Phil Jones is saying several days.... anyone seen in the last week.... He knows (IMO) that she wasn't lying on the Lane all that time....
He says between 17th Dec and 19th Dec... So he believes at anytime on that weekend she could have been deposited... (IMO)...That has to do with the SNOW... they originally went with Saturday the 18th.. so how many days had she actually been lain there??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=856uPophiLM
Today we are continuing our meticulous search of the area which Joanna was found... In order make sure we capture any potential Evidence that may be there....
Well we know that isn't accurate as Mark Williams, Thomas video stated ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDg4eHHqmmA
We Know that she left the pub at 8:00pm on Friday December 17th and on her way home stopped at Waitrose on the Clifton Triangle.... We also know that she went to the Bargain Booze shop and Tesco Express Store in Regent Street Clifton.. where she bought a Pizza... leaving that store at 8:30pm...
Now this bugs me... On many occasions they state that she was seen leaving Tesco's at 8:30pm.. yet the Tesco's CCTV says Nearer 8:40pm....
I don't believe it's the correct time on the Tesco's video... I posted before I believed that the TimeStamp and other info on the CCTV had been changed (IMO)..
I do believe it was 8:30pm in Tesco's and then she rang Rebecca Yeates when she left... and spoke to her for the 15 mins she first stated!!
The receipt would have the time on it.... and was never produced... I'd like a picture of the receipt please...
And if she is a person who keeps receipts, where is her Bargain Booze receipt???
At The time she would have arrived home at approxamatley 8:45pm... There were other Pedestrians and vehicles in Canygne Road at that time and we would like anyone in the area to come forward......
Where's the CCTV you must have viewed to know that people were in the street???
Do they know the time of her arrival home because of her returning the text saying she was at home on her tod??
She turned on the oven to bake.
She phoned several male friends and told how she was bored.
She texted Samuel Ashcroft:
“Where are you this fine eve?”
His reply was “Home- sorry”.
She then texted Peter: “Where are you?”
Peter replied “On my way to a wedding. Where are you?”
She replied: “At home- on my todd”.
She texted a third male friend.
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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This is going to be difficult,... I'm trying to identify where she rang Rebecca Scott... so lots of photo's
The screen shots show her journey from the ram pub to tesco's ..she goes some where else then walks back to tesco's it looks like... tell me if I am mistaken...
There are 9 images showing how she criss crosses across bristol... I'll link the video... can someone identify where the Rebecca Scott phone call is?? I think it's Clifton Park Road... It's exremely close to her home...
You can say the media get things wrong... But who gave them the info so they could make the map?? They had to be told something very early on....
I always found the Rebecca Scott phone call interesting... because they have changed things about the length of time it was ...
And I could never understand.. How she could talk to Joanna Yeates for 15 mins .. if she was supposed to be in Tesco Express at 8:37pm
But she could have talked to her for 15 minutes if Joanna Yeates went back to Tesco's express on regent street!!!!
Did she arrange for someone to come around to the house that evening????
Watch the video from about 1:50
https://www.channel4.com/news/boyfriend-desperately-wants-missing-bristol-woman-back
Now I'm the first to admit I'm not up to speed on all the details of this case but that circuitous route north strikes me as odd for a pedestrian keen to get home.
It would be helpful if we had a map showing the actual route (or as close as you can get) she took to get home from the pub.
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I have viewed the clip from TV and am sceptical about the big detour north Joanna is alleged to have taken to make the phone call. It was a good try with the screen shots, but it doesn't work for me, as you cannot make out where those without captions are.
I concede that the timestamp in Tesco Express MAY have been tampered with, but I don't find it necessary to conclude that. I don't believe we need to be so sceptical about the timings of her walk, but I endorse your suggestion that somewhere warm to text was her motive for entering Waitrose. Her first documented text was sent shortly after that, and the last one we have been told about was sent about the time she was in Bargain Booze. She probably telephoned Rebecca Scott while she was still inside Bargain Booze, and was still talking to her when she entered Tesco Express, which is only a short distance further on. She could have completed the phone call before paying for the pizza.
I agree with you that she spent time with someone whose existence has not been revealed. However, I don't support your conclusions. Unlike her colleagues at the Ram pub, she had not had a heavy lunch to tide her over, so I believe she left the pub mainly because she was hungry, and wanted company for dinner. I think her 4th attempt, made while she was in Bargain Booze, succeeded, and that is why she bought a 2nd bottle of cider there, and then went into Tesco Express for the pizza. As the pizza carton was not found, I believe she and the unknown friend ate it not in Jo's flat, but at the friend's place, a short time after she left Tesco Express.
I don't know why the police should wish to conceal the existence of this 4th friend, but since they did so, the relationship may have been less innocent than they want us to believe. Nor do I know why the police wish to conceal the nature of the contents of the black bag, but since they did so, I assume they were less innocent than they want us to believe, and possibly even something she bought in Waitrose.
The police were criticised while Joanna was still missing, for merely inviting private owners of CCTV in Canynge Road to hand in any recordings from the weekend in question that these owners had and thought might help! There is no doubt that Det Sup Mark Saunders was being evasive about what CCTV he had. I believe the police were anxious even then to avoid the identities of certain persons from being exposed by CCTV, and these may be the same persons who CJ may have identified positively in his still-unpublished 2nd witness statement.
An interesting proposition, I'm intrigued. Maybe you can pm me with your thoughts?
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Now I'm the first to admit I'm not up to speed on all the details of this case but that circuitous route north strikes me as odd for a pedestrian keen to get home.
It would be helpful if we had a map showing the actual route (or as close as you can get) she took to get home from the pub.
This link to the BBC includes a map showing the route that Joanna allegedly took after leaving the Ram pub on 17th December 2010.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-12109085
The three shops that all sources agree she visited on her way - Waitrose, Bargain Booze and Tesco Express - are all marked on it, together with the timings. The timings are not inconsistent with the texts she sent - each of which was confirmed by a witness statement from the corresponding recipient read out in court. She also telephoned her friend in Swansea, Rebecca Scott, who testified in person to the timing of this call in court.
However, the news report from Channel 4, transmitted on the same date as the pizza appeal, puts Joanna at an unspecified point way off her homeward route at the time she made this call to Rebecca. This was either an error on the part of Channel 4, or deliberate misinformation distributed by the police at the time when that particular TV station chose to create their map.
There is no evidence that Joanna arrived home at the time when the police wanted us to believe she did. For the reasons I have posted, I think her purchase of a pizza was a last-minute decision, made only because she had made an agreement with an unknown 4th person to eat at that person's home. She could have bought a pizza in Waitrose, but she was hoping that one of the three men she texted would agree to eat out with her. I challenge anyone to dispute that she was hungry, and that it was the absence of bar food at the Ram pub that motivated her to leave before her colleagues.
It is only after this thread was started that I accepted the possiblity that Joanna's whole route may have been fabricated using CCTV video clips of Joanna captured on different dates, and tampered with. I don't know why anyone would do this. However, it would explain the problem of the black bag, which was also featured in the reconstruction filmed for "Crimewatch" a week before Vincent Tabak was arrested. The police refused to say what was in the black bag she is seen carrying. It may not be its contents that were in any way suspicious, but the fact that it was missing from one of the clips and was being carried in different ways in the other two.
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This is when they have arrested CJ... it's the day before they go to Holland and DCI Phil Jones says:
someone out there is holding that vital piece of information
Next news Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak make the infamous phone call.... And off they pop..... It's a little coincidental...
Why did they never play this phone call in court.... Then I have the CPS who say that they were looking at Dr Vincent Tabak in late December.... Did the CPS advise for this press conference to be screened ??
Basically Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak must be watching the news all the time they are away...And I can't see that...
How did they see the news in Holland??? It wasn't a big news story over there ???
I've attached a screen shot.... what does the intitails on the paper sign stand for ?? S O R C Y
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Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence
Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence; December 2010 Bristol: Clifton: Canynge Road: SNOW ON GROUND GV Exterior of flat where Joanne Yeates lived Path beside flat PAN to front door
Screen shot shows the flats keys and the Intercom panel in Tack... How did the media get around the back of the flats in December ?? This is a crime scene... How are they allowed to wander around there ????
Are the keys to Dr Vincent Tabaks flat on that bunch of keys??????
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-defendant-vincent-tabak-gives-news-footage/656385638
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Basically Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak must be watching the news all the time they are away...And I can't see that...
How did they see the news in Holland??? It wasn't a big news story over there ???
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I have asked myself this question many times. I don't believe the disappearance and death of Joanna Yeates was reported by overseas national media at all, with the possible exception of the Irish news media. After Vincent Tabak was arrested, the Netherlands media came onboard. However, I don't believe CJ's arrest would have been reported on TV in Holland, so VT must have been constantly researching the case on that notorious laptop, wth TM of course peering over his shoulder but not touching.
It would never cross people's mind in the UK that the whole world was not following the JY case day by day.
DC Karen Thomas allegedly rang to VT on Christmas eve and also on one other occasion. I suspect that she fed him a number of tips that were actually traps to get him to keep an eye on the case.
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I have asked myself this question many times. I don't believe the disappearance and death of Joanna Yeates was reported by overseas national media at all, with the possible exception of the Irish news media. After Vincent Tabak was arrested, the Netherlands media came onboard. However, I don't believe CJ's arrest would have been reported on TV in Holland, so VT must have been constantly researching the case on that notorious laptop, wth TM of course peering over his shoulder but not touching.
It would never cross people's mind in the UK that the whole world was not following the JY case day by day.
DC Karen Thomas allegedly rang to VT on Christmas eve and also on one other occasion. I suspect that she fed him a number of tips that were actually traps to get him to keep an eye on the case.
So there should be a record of where his laptop was being used and if he defineatley had it with him when he was in Holland...
And when I look at the searches I find one search for the news around that time... after boxing day the 26th December 2010 there are virtually no searches until January 2011
At Line 340 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled on 26 Dec 2010
‘Yeates’
At 3.00 pm he search the Telegraph Newspaper online
At 3:43 pm he searched online global newspapers
At 3.45 pm he searched the words
‘Suspension bridge police footage’
At Line 347 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched Google maps for
‘maps to Longwood lane’
‘Mirror newspaper website’
‘BBC news’
‘alcohol –police limits’
At Line 368 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched for the Press release about
‘domestic rubbish’
‘Yeates’
‘architect’s killer’
‘maps for Clifton Road’
‘Clifton Road rubbish’
‘393 tons of rubbish trawled through’
‘household collections- Bristol City Council’
‘recycling’
Rubbish search was on the 4th January 2011... so between 26th Januray 2010 and 4th January 2011 he did one search that was line 347.....
So he wasn't following the case as they say..... So how did he find out about CJ's arrest?
26th December 2010.. busy looking at cctv footage..
27th December 2010... where is his search for the results of the autopsy???
Why at this point is he bothered about alcohol levels ??
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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He must have found out about CJ's arrest through the internet, if it was not broadcast on TV, but he might not have been using his own laptop. He might well have borrowed one from his family in Holland.
OR------somebody telephoned, or e mailed him and told him about it.
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He must have found out about CJ's arrest through the internet, if it was not broadcast on TV, but he might not have been using his own laptop. He might well have borrowed one from his family in Holland.
OR------somebody telephoned, or e mailed him and told him about it.
"Vincent Tabak attempted to incriminate landlord Christopher Jefferies in the disappearance of Joanna Yeates, a court heard today. On the night former Clifton College teacher Mr Jefferies was arrested, Tabak's girlfriend Tanja Morson rang police to say they had some information. The couple, who were staying with Tabak's family in the Netherlands, said they had seen reports of Mr Jefferies's arrest on Dutch TV on December 30."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-trial-vincent-tabak-275071
I don't believe a word of it. Do you? He wasn't arrested at night - he was arrested at breakfast time.
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"Vincent Tabak attempted to incriminate landlord Christopher Jefferies in the disappearance of Joanna Yeates, a court heard today. On the night former Clifton College teacher Mr Jefferies was arrested, Tabak's girlfriend Tanja Morson rang police to say they had some information. The couple, who were staying with Tabak's family in the Netherlands, said they had seen reports of Mr Jefferies's arrest on Dutch TV on December 30."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-trial-vincent-tabak-275071
I don't believe a word of it. Do you? He wasn't arrested at night - he was arrested at breakfast time.
From the same link in your quote leonora ...
"I immediately thought it was strange, having had a phone conversation with him on December 24 that he mentioned in that conversation that he had in fact been out twice that evening," she said.
Why was DC Thomas ringing Dr Vincent Tabak on Christmas Eve????
He was away... it was the festive holiday... why were they still asking him question...??
If nothing appeared out of the ordinary and he hadn't raised suspicion then why ring him...??
Did she ring him after they had spoken to the CPS??? when did the CPS advise them??
I find it extremely strange them ringing him.... they had been around to the flat when she went missing... So for her to ring him seems strange... I'm sure they had been to the flat more than once before they rang him!!
The couple, who were staying with Tabak's family in the Netherlands, said they had seen reports of Mr Jefferies's arrest on Dutch TV on December 30.
Cannot see it being on Dutch TV.... period!! That would only be of interest after Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested...
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I've attached the picture of them taking Dr Vincent Tabak's Bike from Aberdeen Road on :
Details
Credit: ITN
Clip #: 655396824SD
Collection: ITN
Date created: 22 January, 2011
Licence type: Rights-ready
You can find the link on Video clips thread...
This images is in public view extremely early in the investigations... why bring it out at night??? So you don't see any detail (IMO) after taking advice from my cyclist husband, I believe it's a hybrid type of bike... not a road bike and not a mountain bike... but a cross between the two... It's just a basic bike at the end of the day...
So... did he have a cover ??? Did he have a bag???
In the Defences opening statement he mentions it being a Bike Bag....
He carried the body from her flat to his flat.
He then put her body in the bag that he used to cover his bike.
Then it changes to cover......
Defence Counsel: What did you do next?
Tabak: I decided to put her body in my bicycle cover.
Defence Counsel: Was it your bicycle cover or Tanja’s?
Tabak: No- it was mine.
I keep thinking about this..... In the early reports in the media it was always suggested that her body had been removed in a suitcase.. So when they first talk about bike bag.. you envisage something that zips up or closes completely or there would be NO purpose in using it.. I also believe it is because you would probably need wheels to move a heavy object...
By the Defence again mention the Bike Bag on opening statement, it puts the image in the jury's mind of how Dr Vincent Tabak could have transported Joanna Yeates to Longwood Lane without loads of transfer of DNA etc......
But it's only when we have then to imaging how the blood could have ended up in the car that it becomes easier to understand if he only had a cover....
Not only that... a Bike Bag tends to be a solid unflexible object where you would need to dismantle the bike to put it within it...
But when we need to visualise how Dr Vincent Tabak was to dispose of the Bike bag... it becomes a cover, which makes us see how possible it would be to drop in a bin... otherwise you have some chunky bike bag protruding out of a bin and someone would notice straight away!!!
If the bike bag/ cover ... was a cover what would be the point of Dr Vincent Tabak using it?...... It would be of no value to him... he might as well have used a sheet or duvet for that matter or a few bin liners.... But a bike bag conjurors up a solid object making the transport easier...
So is it....
(1): Cover... which would go over the bicycle.. Or
(2): Bag.... which a body would have to be placed inside..
With the idea of the Bike bag... I had assumed she had been put in the foetal position because she had been in the bag....
But if we are talking bike cover... she wouldn't need to be in the foetal position.. it's a lot bigger and wouldn't have any solid parts to it...
What action did he use to lift??
Bike bag,... there would be a handle... Bike cover slippy and awkward!!
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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Continuing from a couple of posts above this one....
Why did the Police keep interviewing Dr Vincent Tabak about Joanna Yeates??
I was just thinking... if it was me for instance I wouldn't have a great deal to say... If i don't know my neighbour i would not be of any value to the Police...
Dr Vincent Tabak said that he had never met or seen his new neighbours... So how could he help the Police?? what could he actually tell them?? He didn't know what she looked like until it became news,...
Why are they quizzing the neighbours on there whereabouts on that weekend?? They may have asked if they noticed anyone hanging around or visiting ... but other than that there is not really much else that he could tell them...
So why did DC Karen Thomas feel the need to keep going around to Flat 2 and ringing Dr Vincent Tabak when he was away?
He knew nothing as far as they were concerned... how could he... he'd NEVER meet them....
And as the Police had made it clear that Joanna Yeates must have known the person, what made them keep on at Dr Vincent Tabak???? As it has been implied he kept himself behind Tanja and didn't really have much to say, and why would he... So he cannot have brought attention to himself by not getting involved in the early stages of the investigation!! (IMO) (so why the attention from the Police??)
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There is no evidence that VT used a suitcase or a cycle bag to transport Joanna's body-----other than what he might have said in court. I suppose he must have owned a suitcase, since most of us do, but there is no evidence that he owned a cycle bag.
I, for one, don't believe most of what VT said in court!
Tanja could have told the court whether or not a suitcase or a cycle bag was missing, but she did not testify. I still wonder why not.
There are only two scenarios whereby I might possibly believe that VT killed Joanna: if he had been drunk or stoned (doubtful, as he was driving his car that night), or if he and Joanna had known each other prior to her murder (no evidence). Therefore, I stand by my view that he is innocent.
As for him framing CJ----what a load of rubbish! AND, years were added to his sentence for this.
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Thought I'd pop this link in I found...
2:01am UK, Tuesday 28 December 2010
A police spokesman said: "The difficult conditions in which she was found, particularly the frozen condition of her body, means that the post-mortem has still not been concluded, and police are not going to be in a position to confirm the cause of her death until tomorrow at the earliest."
Her boyfriend Greg Reardon also left a bouquet at the roadside.
They hope to hear the results of a post-mortem examination tomorrow.
But for some strange reason they managed to have a post Mortem result 10 hours later!! Tomorrow should have been Wednesday 29th December 2010...
But we also have to take into account what time Dr Delaney started work that morning to conduct the Post Mortem!!
And How Long Does A Post Mortem Take??? What hours would Dr Delaney have worked ??
BYMIRROR.CO.UK
12:07, 28 DEC 2010
NEWS
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones of Avon and Somerset Police revealed the results of a post mortem examination as he declared that her death was now officially being treated as a murder investigation.
He said Joanna, who disappeared on Friday, December 17, had died as a result of compression of the neck.
Haven't established if that is AM or PM.... if AM then they knew the results by the 27th December 2010... I'm sure years ago information was released on the 27th December 2010.. but I cannot find it... If AM then it would be around 30 hours to complete the autopsy... So how Frozen was she ????
Tuesday 28 December 2010 16.04 GMT
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, of Avon and Somerset police, revealed the results of a postmortem examination and said the death of the landscape architect was now officially being treated as murder.
Ch Supt Jon Stratford of Avon and Somerset Police says a post-mortem is being carried out and the results are expected to be released on Tuesday.
27 Dec
From the section UK
Why Tuesday the 28th December 2010 ?? I still think 56 hours in which to do a post mortem on a frozen body isn't long enough.... But... that's my opinion...
To be honest I don't know how they could even speculate how long it would take for the Post Mortem to be concluded... (IMO).. We still don't know the length of time it would take a body in the foetal position to fully thaw...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-was-strangled-post-mortem-271813
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12083787/police-await-womans-post-mortem-results
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/28/joanna-yeates-strangled-postmortem-shows
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/freezing-conditions-delay-joanna-yeates-post-mortem-results-2lpw6ngqjmv
https://web.archive.org/web/20140905213850/http://news.sky.com/story/826531/joanna-yeates-cause-of-death-still-unknown
https://www.bristol.gov.uk/births-deaths-marriages/deaths/flax-bourton-public-mortuary
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Forensic experts hope to gain enough DNA evidence from Joanna’s body to help identify her killer. Some evidence has been gathered using the latest laser search techniques.
Only partial samples thought to be from saliva were found on Joanna’s body.
The Daily Express revealed on Saturday how evidence had been found on three parts of her body under her clothes – her breasts, abdomen and the zip of her jeans. The samples may help to provide a DNA match.
It has taken experts a number of weeks to “grow” the samples.
Police now also believe that Joanna’s missing ski-style sock was not used to strangle her but was used to wipe the crime scene clean.
It is understood police were monitoring Tabak’s movements for at least a week before he was arrested on Thursday at the flat of a friend a mile away.
Didn't know they grow DNA ,.... but more importantly they were following Dr Vincent Tabak for a week prior to his arrest according to this .... Did they find anything unusual about his movements??
What survailance did they use on Dr Vincent Tabak??
So we have gone from the ZIP of her Jeans to behind her knee.... How did that happen???
This article was published on 24th January 2011
He and Tanja were forced to move out of their flat as police sealed off the building as they hunted for her killer.
Interesting.... why should they have been forced to move out of their flat whilst the Police searched for her killer???
Basically the minute they went to Tanja's Parents house, on I think the 23rd December 2010.. they had no proper access to their own flat..... WHY!!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/224892/Joanna-Yeates-parents-At-last-we-can-lay-Jo-to-rest
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The Removal of the Door was always paramount in the case...
And I have found some images of what are described as workers... removing this door....
Door to Joanna Yeates' flat may hold vital DNA clues
By This is Bath | Posted: December 30, 2010
Clockwise from top: A forensic investigator outside the home Joanne Yeates shared with her boyfriend Greg Reardon in Clifton, Bristol; workers remove doors from the house; newly-released CCTV footage of Joanna at the Bargain Booze store; Landlord Chris Jefferies, who told detectives he saw three people - one of whom he believes was Jo - leaving
I have only ever seen two people removing the door before.... I wonder who the "WORKERS" are!!
I have attached images showing the workers... Is one or two of them just joiners??
Did they just have any Tom Dick or Harry removing this door????
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/door-hold-vital-dna-clues/story-11326987-detail/story.html#4
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/door-hold-vital-dna-clues/story-11326987-detail/story.html#1
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Joanna Yeates murder: Who did she share pizza with?
Ex Chief Super retraces last night to ask key questions
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BYMIRROR.CO.UK
00:00, 9 JAN 2011
It just doesn’t make sense. If Jo was strangled in her home, as the police’s forensic investigations suggest, why did her killer move her body to a site three miles away? And why choose that site?
Two dog-walkers were able to discover her body – the killer must have known it would soon have been found.
That was the point I have always said.... why move her???
The answer could be that Joanna’s murderer was nearby or staying in the Redwood Hotel, a few metres from the site and the main building nearby, with its host of CCTV cameras.
But this is not the only question which occurred to me as I spent a day following Jo Yeates’s route, and that of her killer.
I was able to make my own enquiries at the Bristol Ram pub, and see for myself Jo’s now-familiar stops – Waitrose, Bargain Booze and Tesco – on the mile-and-a-half walk to her basement flat.
Then I was able to drive the two possible routes to the lane where her body was tragically found on Christmas Day.
Interesting theory...
In my 42 years of police work, including investigating the Madeleine McCann case and leading SO14, the royal protection unit – I have always stuck to one principle: “Walk the shop floor.”
An investigation should work in circles starting at the crime scene and moving outwards.
The first thing that surprised me was the level of CCTV at the pub. The landlord pointed out its nine cameras.
Nine Camera's and we only got Three of the CCTV shots...
Nine cameras don’t just give you an idea of when Joanna came in and when she left – they can tell you all sorts of things about the network of relationships between her work colleagues: who was inside, who might have been watching from the sidelines and who she might have spoken to for the first time.
This is the first time reading this article that I was aware there were NINE CCTV Camera's in The Bristol Ram..
Once officers have drawn up a proper linked diagram showing every relationship she had, seemingly-useless information can be used to cross-check people’s stories and accounts.
I find it strange Jo left the pub so early on a Friday night when all she was going back to was an empty flat.
And when I walked into the Bargain Booze where she stopped, I wondered why she bought TWO small bottles of cider.
That strikes me as something she would do if she had made last-minute plans to meet another person.
Yes I can agree with that....
Perhaps she got hold of someone else. And if the murderer had sat down and eaten the pizza with Jo, he would know to remove remains that might contain his DNA.
A more reasonable explanation of a missing pizza (IMO)...
As I looked over at Jo’s flat, the police were moving a car. It turns out forensics officers needed to get to a drain.
News to me they moved a car to check the drains... what were they looking for??
Who car was moved....
Using my tactic of working outwards from a crime scene, this would have happened much earlier. I also noticed scaffolding on the building next to Joanna’s.
A builder would have seen Joanna coming and going each day through December and I hope anyone working on the house has been questioned.
Yes... that was one of my first thoughts....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-who-did-she-share-173800
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Excellent article---I don't think I had seen this before!
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"I find it strange Jo left the pub so early on a Friday night when all she was going back to was an empty flat.
And when I walked into the Bargain Booze where she stopped, I wondered why she bought TWO small bottles of cider.
That strikes me as something she would do if she had made last-minute plans to meet another person.
We know she sent a text to an old friend that night asking if he was about for a drink but he didn’t reply.
Perhaps she got hold of someone else."
Why doesn't this ex-Chief Super have a name? As he has been to the Ram pub and talked to the staff, he must have asked them, "Why did she leave so early?" and they must have answered, "- Because we don't do bar food on Fridays, and you could see how hungry she was, so she went out in search of grub". I suppose the ex-Chief Super only has anorexic daughters of his own, so he hasn't grasped that a girl has to eat.
On the other hand, experience certainly counts. Years went by before it occurred to me that there could have been a mysterious 4th male whom she texted from Bargain Booze, whose response prompted her to buy the second bottle of cider on the spot, and grab a pizza in nearby Tesco. Yet your ex-Chief Super reasoned this out for himself within days of researching the case, after walking the route himself.
But notice that he doesn't actually draw the obvious conclusion - that DCI JONES ISN'T GOING TO TELL THE JURY ABOUT THIS 4TH MALE!!!
Instead, ex-Chief Super comes with all sorts of seemingly polite remarks about what the experienced DCI Jones will have done, and whom he will have interviewed, in a way that conveys that he and we know very well that DCI Jones has done no such thing, nudge nudge, wink wink.
I agree with mrswah, this Mirror article is a brilliant find. How could I have missed it?
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On the other hand, experience certainly counts. Years went by before it occurred to me that there could have been a mysterious 4th male whom she texted from Bargain Booze, whose response prompted her to buy the second bottle of cider on the spot, and grab a pizza in nearby Tesco. Yet your ex-Chief Super reasoned this out for himself within days of researching the case, after walking the route himself.
But notice that he doesn't actually draw the obvious conclusion - that DCI JONES ISN'T GOING TO TELL THE JURY ABOUT THIS 4TH MALE!!!
I agree with mrswah, this Mirror article is a brilliant find. How could I have missed it?
I have mentioned before about Joanna Yeates answering a text message in Bargain Booze... I can't find the video I saw her mother talking about her trip to Bargain Booze...
Her mum had said she had picked up one bottle of cider .. then looked at her phone and went back to pick up a second bottle of cider... This action had made Joanna Yeates mum smile...
So... going to buy the Pizza had alway been a possibility that she was expecting someone or meeting them...
Glad you like the article... been looking at loads today waiting for my new topic to be approved... i hope it is...
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I've been looking for something about this...
The two women had discussed their plans to meet up a week later on Christmas Eve, and Miss Yeates had also said she wanted to visit Miss Scott in Swansea that night.
But Miss Scott, who described her friend and Mr Reardon as ‘the perfect couple’, told the court: ‘I had been out that day and saw all the buses and trains were cancelled. I told her it would be a nightmare.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050063/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Jo-Yeates-20-seconds-stifle-scream-arm-her.html#ixzz4gcwP0YkM
I know leonora has already written about this .. but I like links and quotes to confirm it....
I'm sure there was an earlier report about Joanna Yeates wanting to go meet up with Rebecca Scott on Friday 17th December 2010
The Trains being cancelled always threw me... I'm sure I've posted before about one of Joanna Yeates male friends being at Temple mead Station.... I'll edit this when I find it.... But I can't remember where he was going.... It's possible only certain trains were cancelled ..
Edit.............
Jurors also heard a statement from Peter Lindsell, a former colleague of Miss Yeates at BDP, who she had also texted that evening.
Mr Lindsell said he was standing on a platform at Bristol Temple Meads station waiting for a train to Reading, where he was attending a wedding that weekend, when he received a message from Miss Yeates at 8.12pm.
She wrote: "Where art thou?"
Mr Lindsell said he replied immediately and said he was at the station waiting for his train.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-victim-274748
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Joanna Yeates murder: Who did she share pizza with?
Ex Chief Super retraces last night to ask key questions
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BYMIRROR.CO.UK
00:00, 9 JAN 2011
I have tracked this splendid Ex Chief Super down. He was Chief Superintendant Dai Davies:
http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2016-01-05/former-met-police-chief-and-missing-persons-expert-offers-insight-into-search-for-adrian-lynch/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223806/Who-Middletons-think-Royalty-Pippas-book-venue-vetted-palace-protection-officers.html
More power to his elbow!
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I have tracked this splendid Ex Chief Super down. He was Chief Superintendant Dai Davies:
http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2016-01-05/former-met-police-chief-and-missing-persons-expert-offers-insight-into-search-for-adrian-lynch/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223806/Who-Middletons-think-Royalty-Pippas-book-venue-vetted-palace-protection-officers.html
More power to his elbow!
Indeed leonora ... ?{)(**
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Back to the sock....
Hunt for grey ski sock that was missing from her body
Jo found with no coat or boots proving she returned home
Architect was excited about spending weekend cooking and shopping
Man arrives at couple's flat and hands police sock
Police investigating thousands of lines of enquiry
ITV news banned from press conference after 'irresponsible' report
By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 17:47, 5 January 2011
Question.... How does he manage to hand in the sock on the same day as the Appeal for the Missing Sock starts???
'However at the present time the sock has not been found. It has not been found at Longwood Lane and it has not been found at her home address.'
Question... how do they KNOW that it isn't her sock on the same day as the Appeal for the Missing Sock is aired.. when they cannot possibly have tested it...
It may look slightly different... but not everyone wears a PAIR of socks... So how was it discounted with such haste??
And if they HAD TESTED it... why then show the image of the man handing in a GREY SOCK and the story of him handing in the GREY SOCK in the first place ????
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344276/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Strangled-sock.html#ixzz4gfwD3RH2
Edit.... You have to question when this man found the GREY SOCK he hands in.... the Police have been searching high and low for this "Missing Sock"... And with there powers of deduction and experience they cannot find it in the 11 days that they have been searching for it's disappearance after finding Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane ...
So what did he do???? Magically he thought to himself as he walks down the street... Oh Look a grey sock I'll pick that up and see when it may come in handy!!!
Or... He deftly checked all charity shops and rubbish bins that the Police must have missed and saw a "Grey Sock " after he heard it on the Police Appeal that morning.... and rushed around to Canygne Road to hand it in!!!!
Absolute Tosh.... (IMO)... That is not even a "Probability never mind a Possibility!!!
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I'm cross referencing various things at the moment... but came across this.. (Please accept my apology for the long post ).... The quotes are there to back the information...
Quote from Leveson Inquiry COLIN PORT the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset Constabulary of Portishead,
The SIO made an entry in his policy
book on 29 December which reads "Christopher Jefferies will be arrested on
suspicion of the murder of Joanna Yeates tomorrow morning (30.12.10)
during the hours of darkness at approximately 07:00 hours. DS (name) will oversee the arrest and search of his flat and seizure of his two motor cars.
The SIO he is refering too I believe is DCI Phil Jones ....
Quote from leveson Inquiry Phil Jones
Upon promotion to Detective Chief
Inspector in October 2008, I was posted to the Constabulary’s Major Crime
Investigation Team as a Senior Investigating Officer ("SIO"). This team takes
the investigative lead for all homicides within the Avon and Somerset force area
He goes on to state :
As an SIO i have led numerous Homicide investigations within a diverse range
of circumstances and communities, These investigations have varied in
complexity and have ranged from Category A+ murders such as the Joanna
Yeates investigation where the offender is unknown and there is a high level of
media interest and public concern, to Category C murders where the identity of
the offender is apparent at the outset of the investigation and/or evidence can
be secured easily. (1)
So I think I'm correct in saying That Colin Port is referring to DCI Phil Jones ....
I'm not sure when Christopher Jefferies made his 2nd witness statement... but they have acted incredibly fast...
Did CJ make his statement after they had released the post mortem results... I would imagine that was more than likely... But I cannot be sure..
What other evidence had they collated to arrest CJ in the first place???
Again Colin Port
The facts that on 31 December police successfully applied to
magistrates for a 72 hour extension to question Mr Jefferies further
and that he was released on police bail the following day, 1st January
2011, would I believe both have come from the police.
If they had successfully applied for a 72 hour extension... then why did they release him the next day ????
This is Colin Port confirming the above information is correct
This is correct. A statement was released to the media on 31
December confirming that the police had been granted more time to
question a 65 year old man.
Within the leveson inquiry Colin Port like to confirm whether a statement is true or not....
So back to releasing CJ..... They cannot have had a match on the DNA sample that Dr Vincent Tabak provided on the 31st December 2010 .. if we are to believe that the sample on Joanna Yeates took weeks to enhance...
So what possible reason would they feel.. after applying for a 72 hour extension that they should release CJ so promptly the next day ???
It's not because they felt he was Innocent... they kept him on Police bail until March 2011...
Well again ...Lyndsey Lennen says 48 hrs to turn around all the DNA... suspects, Joanna Yeates etc... And I am believing this more and more.... even more than before if thats possible...
It makes the Interview in Holland seems all the more suspicious than before after understanding they had applied for the 72 hour extension on CJ... Then sent him on his merry way the day after...(IMO)....
So... he was arrested on the 30th December 2010... they held him for 24 hr... the applied for a further 72 hour extension.. bring the detention time to the maximum 96 hours...
The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.
They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.
But if you think 72 hours... you would probably count it from him being arrested on the 30th January 2011...
When in fact the 72 hours start from the 31st January 2011...
So when it's reported in the papers .. they get the information around midnight...(IMO).. because the minutes they go to press.. the release date in the paper becomes the 2nd January 2011.... when in actual fact CJ was released on the 1st January 2011.. That info has come from the mouth/hand of Colin Port!!
And here we have been hoodwinked again.....
Mark Townsend
@townsendmark
Sunday 2 January 2011 00.39 GMT
From the Guardian... Time 39 minutes past midnight...
Here's one report bang on Midnight!!
Joanna murder: landlord released on police bail
Christopher Jefferies released as victim's family expresses confidence that police will find her killer
By Andrew McCorkell Sunday 2 January 2011 00:00 GMT
The article goes on to say.....
The retired schoolteacher arrested in connection with the murder of Joanna Yeates was let go last night after being questioned by police for three days. Christopher Jefferies, 65, was released on police bail, pending further inquiries, more than 60 hours after his arrest on Thursday morning at his flat in the Clifton area of Bristol.
What is more than 60 hours after his arrest ??
Everyone is used to a 72 hour detention.. but maybe not everyone would realise they had the power to hold him for 96 hours... And when everyone reads the papers in the morning they believe that CJ was released on the 2nd January 2010
I wonder why they would want people to think that ?? I always got confused on the date he was released because I looked at the date of the papers articles...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/joanna-murder-landlord-released-on-police-bail-2174155.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/01/chris-jefferies-released-on-bail
https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-held-in-custody
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Witness-Statement-of-DCI-Phillip-Jones.pdf
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
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This report became slightly more helpful in a way I did not expect....
AN EX-HEADMASTER of the college where Chris Jefferies taught English leapt to his defence yesterday as he faces his fourth day in custody on suspicion of murdering landscape architect Joanna Yeates.
By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 2, 2011
“I can quite believe that under cross examination he would give confusing answers because he is a bit of a nutty professor, you might say, always wanting to qualify any statements he makes for fear of getting it wrong,” he said.
And there goes your answer for the possible reason that they did not call CJ as a witness in court..... He might have put them correct about a few thing!!!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/220620/Jefferies-not-a-killer-says-former-head
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I'm not sure when Christopher Jefferies made his 2nd witness statement... but they have acted incredibly fast...
Did CJ make his statement after they had released the post mortem results... I would imagine that was more than likely... But I cannot be sure..
This is good.
CJ telephoned the police with the essence of his 2nd witness statement early on the evening of the Tuesday, shortly after Joanna's parents had made their first tearful TV appeal. At breakfast time next day (22nd Dec.) an unnamed detective called on him to take this statement on paper. This was well before her body was found.
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This is good.
CJ telephoned the police with the essence of his 2nd witness statement early on the evening of the Tuesday, shortly after Joanna's parents had made their first tearful TV appeal. At breakfast time next day (22nd Dec.) an unnamed detective called on him to take this statement on paper. This was well before her body was found.
So what reason did they have to ARREST him in the First place???? They knew he had access to all the Flats and that he also had his second witness statement before she was found...
So it took them 2 to 3 days after determining her cause of death to decide to arrest him without anymore evidence than they had by the 22nd of December 2010..
Must have been that little CCTV of a car going over Clifton suspension bridge.... But even that wouldn't really be enough!!!
That must be DC Karen Thomas... I say that because the searches of Dr Vincent Tabak are incorrect in my opinion and she hadn't visited Dr Vincent Tabak... They all had been visited early.... She wasn't getting a second witness statement of Dr Vincent tabak at this time..
Tabak left work at 5.06pm \on 22 Dec 2010
and at home he Googled
‘Los Angeles murder case’
At Line 305 of the prosecution chart
PC Karen Thomas went to 44 Canynge Road to search
Why would she be searching Tabak's house on the 22nd December ??? I thought that this must be CJ....!!!
Also... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't finish work till after 6:00pm..
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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So what reason did they have to ARREST him in the First place???? They knew he had access to all the Flats and that he also had his second witness statement before she was found...
So it took them 2 to 3 days after determining her cause of death to decide to arrest him without anymore evidence than they had by the 22nd of December 2010..
Must have been that little CCTV of a car going over Clifton suspension bridge.... But even that wouldn't really be enough!!!
That must be DC Karen Thomas... I say that because the searches of Dr Vincent Tabak are incorrect in my opinion and she hadn't visited Dr Vincent Tabak... They all had been visited early.... She wasn't getting a second witness statement of Dr Vincent tabak at this time..
Why would she be searching Tabak's house on the 22nd December ??? I thought that this must be CJ....!!!
Also... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't finish work till after 6:00pm..
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
The public has never been told the grounds on which CJ was arrested. I personally think that the media ought to demand it, both from himself and from the police, since he has enjoyed so much publicity. But that is baying for the moon. As you yourself finally seem to have acknowledged, however, his 2nd witness statement is a ticking bomb shrouded in secrecy that would expose the entire case for what it is. I personally think that the involvement of CJ was expressly intended to silence him and prevent his 2nd witness statement from ever becoming public.
But apart from that, you have put your finger on the search of VT's and TM's flat. The jury heard VT warning TM in an e-mail on Thursday 23rd Dec that their flat was going to be searched "in case there was a body in one of the drawers". It always puzzled me how they could both spend the day at work, then be present for a visit from a search team, then drive to Cambridge in time for dinner with the Morsons. But obviously, they were told that the search, courtesy of the landlord's keys, would take place AFTER VT wearing his black coat, and TM wearing her bobble hat, had left for Cambridge, with the Dell laptop. There is no knowing what DC Thomas might have found rummaging in their drawers, since nothing was ever reported as having been found.
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The public has never been told the grounds on which CJ was arrested. I personally think that the media ought to demand it, both from himself and from the police, since he has enjoyed so much publicity. But that is baying for the moon. As you yourself finally seem to have acknowledged, however, his 2nd witness statement is a ticking bomb shrouded in secrecy that would expose the entire case for what it is. I personally think that the involvement of CJ was expressly intended to silence him and prevent his 2nd witness statement from ever becoming public.
But apart from that, you have put your finger on the search of VT's and TM's flat. The jury heard VT warning TM in an e-mail on Thursday 23rd Dec that their flat was going to be searched "in case there was a body in one of the drawers". It always puzzled me how they could both spend the day at work, then be present for a visit from a search team, then drive to Cambridge in time for dinner with the Morsons. But obviously, they were told that the search, courtesy of the landlord's keys, would take place AFTER VT wearing his black coat, and TM wearing her bobble hat, had left for Cambridge, with the Dell laptop. There is no knowing what DC Thomas might have found rummaging in their drawers, since nothing was ever reported as having been found.
You might find that the police arrested CJ because of several factors all coming together. First he was in the vicinity, second, he had access to the flat and lastly if anything was admitted to the police whilst the suspect was not under caution then the evidence is invalid. Have a look at what happened to Steve Fulcher, a well respected copper who made a procedural error that cost him his whole career. They were just being over careful not to fall foul of PACE.
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You might find that the police arrested CJ because of several factors all coming together. First he was in the vicinity, second, he had access to the flat and lastly if anything was admitted to the police whilst the suspect was not under caution then the evidence is invalid. Have a look at what happened to Steve Fulcher, a well respected copper who made a procedural error that cost him his whole career. They were just being over careful not to fall foul of PACE.
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The full content of Christopher Jefferies's 2nd witness statement has never been made public. This means that it MUST contain evidence that both he and the police want to hide. Your suggestion that this might include an admission, or hint, of some illegal act that he had committed, had never crossed my mind. This cannot be ruled out, though most of us believe him to be squeaky clean.
Your comparison with the case of Christopher Halliwell disheartens me, as I don't think there is any legitimate comparison to be made! I do not see any officer with Steve Fulcher's integrity on the list of those participating in Operation Braid. Fulcher was in a catch-22 dilemma, and the full facts of the Halliwell case have emerged. This doesn't mean that the provision of PACE are necessarily bad - for every unspeakable criminal like Halliwell, there are hundreds of suspects who need the protection that PACE gives.
Normally, the public would not be entitled to know the reasons why a person is legitimately made a suspect initially but subsequently fully exonerated by the police without being charged. However, the exceptional circumstance of Christopher Jefferies's arrest and its aftermath do entitle the public to know the facts. I also know that this is not going to happen, because the public can never be told the real reason why the landlord was arrested.
The forensic scientists knew very well, as soon as he was released on bail, that the police had a hidden agenda, because, unlike the general public, they knew that they had found no DNA or other forensic evidence to justify his arrest. They must also have worked out the reasons for his arrest that you have listed. There are good grounds to believe that they at once put pressure on the police to their own commercial advantage.
EDIT: Or did the scientists find CJ's DNA where it shouldn't have been, but knew that the police could not reveal this because they had not cautioned him when he had offered them his 2nd witness statement? We cannot know.
Some of us are confident that DC Karen Thomas violated PACE by her failure to caution VT at Schiphol. Was it her intention to evade the provisions of PACE by interviewing him outside the UK's jurisdiction? As far as I know, the obligation to caution a suspect has become a European Human Rights requirement.
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Normally, the public would not be entitled to know the reasons why a person is legitimately made a suspect initially but subsequently fully exonerated by the police without being charged. However, the exceptional circumstance of Christopher Jefferies's arrest and its aftermath do entitle the public to know the facts. I also know that this is not going to happen, because the public can never be told the real reason why the landlord was arrested.
The question should be put to the Police... Did they ever enter Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat whilst he was away from it and before he was arrested ??
Seeing as Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak were not at their Flat from the 23rd December 2010....
(IMO).. I think it's feasible that they entered all of the flats owned by CJ before they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak...
What Police Force gets the Neighbours to move whilst they are conducting a Murder Enquiry??
Why should the Police make it difficult For Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson to go about there lawful business??
The forensic officers were going all around the building ..Instead of using CJ entrance to his Flat and Joanna Yeats "Private Entrance to her Flat!
The Occupants of Flat 2 should have had clear access to there Flat made available to them.. whilst the Police carried out there business...
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I found this image of the Police conducting enquiries on Longwood Lane at night time...
It's a confusing image to me.... The image date is 7th January 2011.. And it depicts the Police stopping motorists on Longwood Lane...
My confusion with the image is where on Longwood Lane can cars be at so many different angles ???
You have 2 black cars facing forward.. with a silver car Horizontal to them... the only thing I can imagine that they are is from staff leaving The Quarry...
The more confusing part is you can see the fence in the background... I keep trying to work out where it could possibly be ....
Bt in the first image the first car you see is horizontal in direction then the 2 black cars face forward .. followed by the silver car horizontal...
Can anyone tell me where this is supposed to be ? Is it the quarry car park?? I can see 5 cars clumped together in the first Image... No where that I'm aware of on longwood lane could you get that many cars together all facing different directions!!
But the Police never mentioned interviewing anyone from the quarry!
In the first image ... what is the Young Man Gesticulating about?? Everyone else are still in their cars !!
In the second image he looks like he's talking to the woman in the grey car as if they know each other (IMO).. Are they the employees of the quarry??
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/the-police-investigation-into-the-murder-of-jo-yeates-continues-107916904#reward-poster-is-displayed-close-to-shops-that-were-visited-by-joanna-picture-id107932324
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Another image I have stumbled across has a car parked outside CJ's house.. slightly going down the side of the building...
The image is dated 31st December 2010..
It cannot be any of CJ's cars as they removed them the day before... And Dr Vincent Tabak was in Holland... Did he actually go in his car ????
10:00PM GMT 30 Dec 2010
The police focus remained on Mr Jefferies on Thursday as forensic experts took his two cars – a grey Volvo S40 and a silver Chrysler Neon – for analysis.
I don't know how Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson travelled ...
(A): To Cambridge
(B): From Cambridge to Holland
(C): From Holland to Bristol...
This is bringing back an old memory.. I remember trying to find the image years ago... But I'm sure it was to do with Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak being at the railway station going to Cambridge ... But I had problems locating it years ago.. ... So it's a difficult one...
Why when they are on Holiday would they travel by car which would take them hours?? The more logical form of transport would be a train to Cambridge .. then a flight to Holland... (IMO)....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8232573/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Christopher-Jefferies-helped-fix-car-for-boyfriends-trip-away.html
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An article in the :World Architecture News
Joanna Yeates, Bristol, United Kingdom
Tuesday 04 Jan 2011
Mystery deepens and killer remains at large
The UK's media was dominated over the Christmas holidays by the tragic death of 25 year old BDP landscape architect, Joanna Yeates whose body was found in a frozen ditch near her Bristol home on Christmas day.
Jo was employed by BDP, in the Clifton area of Bristol, as part of a team designing landscapes for a new hospital in the Southmead area of the city. She enjoyed the outdoor life, rowing, surfing and snowboarding. Keith Pavey, director of BDP's Bristol studio, said she had had a great future ahead of her and was a popular member of staff. "She was a very professional designer," he said. "She worked very hard and was a good team player. She got on with everybody and was very well liked."
The unfolding story, starting with her disappearance on 19th December disclosed more details each day culminating in the arrest of her landlord, 65 year old Chris Jefferies on the 30th December, only to take another surprise turn when he was released on bail a few days later on January 1st.
http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/project/2011/15574/wan-editorial/joanna-yeates-in-bristol.html
I found the comments a bit strange...
11/01/11 Edward L. Soenke, Des Moines, Iowa I am shocked and devastated by Joanna Yeates tragic passing. I worked for BDP in the mid 1960s under David Rock and Bill Jack and lived on the Maida Vale Canal. Since that time, The Design Partnership (Des Moines, Iowa, USA) has developed projects in Europe and across the Former Soviet Union. In those latter endeavors we worked with investigators that worked "undercover" for us in various ventures. We would be glad to put any authorities involved in the search for the perpetrators in touch with this private investigation team as they - as least in our experience - can find anyone. Feel free to contact me at TDPUSA12@aol.com. Edward L. Soenke, FCSI, AIA, NCARB, NIBS
Why is this man shocked an devastated??? did he know her ???
The other comment :
05/01/11 Elizabeth Fontana, New York City.... A tragic loss - deepest condolences to the family and Mr. Reardon. This is totally senseless as all of these type of crimes are. To see a beautiful and talented young woman's life ended in such a horrible way. I pray that they catch whoever did this.
Rest in peach Joanna. Heaven has a beautiful new angel.
I just thought it a bit odd a Murder enquiry featuring in World Architecture News
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There is no evidence that VT used a suitcase or a cycle bag to transport Joanna's body-----other than what he might have said in court. I suppose he must have owned a suitcase, since most of us do, but there is no evidence that he owned a cycle bag.
I, for one, don't believe most of what VT said in court!
Tanja could have told the court whether or not a suitcase or a cycle bag was missing, but she did not testify. I still wonder why not.
There are only two scenarios whereby I might possibly believe that VT killed Joanna: if he had been drunk or stoned (doubtful, as he was driving his car that night), or if he and Joanna had known each other prior to her murder (no evidence). Therefore, I stand by my view that he is innocent.
As for him framing CJ----what a load of rubbish! AND, years were added to his sentence for this.
We know why and how he killed her from his own testimony.
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We know why and how he killed her from his own testimony.
We have his testimony, yes, but is it true?
There must be a number of people who knew VT who have stumbled across this forum. I wonder why it is that nobody ever admits to having known him as a relative, friend, neighbour or work colleague, and then goes on to tell people like me that we are wasting our time: they knew the bloke, he was the type to commit a murder, he was odd, they were not surprised when he was arrested, they had seen him looking at porn at work, he behaved weirdly towards female colleagues and they were wary of him, etc etc
We never do hear anything like this, do we? In fact, nobody ever says anything at all to this effect. If VT really was a shady sort of character, why hasn't somebody posted something to that effect on here? Plenty of people must have known him, and since he doesn't have access to social media in prison, he isn't going to read anything written about him, and he's hardly going to sue for libel!
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We have his testimony, yes, but is it true?
There must be a number of people who knew VT who have stumbled across this forum. I wonder why it is that nobody ever admits to having known him as a relative, friend, neighbour or work colleague, and then goes on to tell people like me that we are wasting our time: they knew the bloke, he was the type to commit a murder, he was odd, they were not surprised when he was arrested, they had seen him looking at porn at work, he behaved weirdly towards female colleagues and they were wary of him, etc etc
We never do hear anything like this, do we? In fact, nobody ever says anything at all to this effect. If VT really was a shady sort of character, why hasn't somebody posted something to that effect on here? Plenty of people must have known him, and since he doesn't have access to social media in prison, he isn't going to read anything written about him, and he's hardly going to sue for libel!
It's probably a case of he admitted it so now looked upon as a thoroughly disgusting individual whom nobody wants to have anything to do with. You must admit he is all of that if he is truly guilty.
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It's probably a case of he admitted it so now looked upon as a thoroughly disgusting individual whom nobody wants to have anything to do with. You must admit he is all of that if he is truly guilty.
Sure, but if he is that disgusting individual, one would think that people who know this would be only too keen to put "misguided" people such as myself right !!
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Sure, but if he is that disgusting individual, one would think that people who know this would be only too keen to put "misguided" people such as myself right !!
I don't think people are interested to that extent. He admitted his guilt, was tried, convicted and sentenced.
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I don't think people are interested to that extent. He admitted his guilt, was tried, convicted and sentenced.
I agree that the general public probably isn't interested. Most people have probably forgotten the case altogether. However, anyone who believes VT to be guilty not because he pleaded guilty, but because they knew him and had always thought him creepy and suspect, would be disgusted at people like me , and would certainly be shouting us down----in my opinion, anyway.
But nobody has-----nobody who knew him, anyway.
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I found this report on the 8th January 2011 Joanna Yeates mum had given an interview..
She never had two boyfriends at the same time. She had a moral conscience. When she broke up with boyfriends, they always stayed friends,’ she says, adding with a sorrowful smile: ‘She also liked to test her boyfriends and would always challenge them to an arm wrestle. It was a sort of initiation.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html#ixzz4hBMbZB32
It reminded me of when I suggested that it could have be a game gone wrong whether it was male or female...
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I was looking at the Joanna Yeates word press and the photographs we are all used to viewing... And one stood out to me...
The background looks like someone has painted a bridge behind it.. Yet the sky looks real.... It's just a little bit strange....
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg404305#msg404305
I was trying to establish when the Post Mortem had been Completed... and I was positive it was early... which couldn't happen if her body was frozen...
Joanna Yeates Parents Identified the body... and this was on the 27th December 2010... 2:37pm
Does this mean they did this after the autopsy... I am under the impression it does.... So we now have even less time for the autopsy of a FROZEN BODY to be conducted....
Dr Delaney first see's Joanna Yeates at 6:00pm on the 25th December 2010 so the body to defrost fully and all the samples taken plus a full Autopsy who be completed in 44.4 hours...
This should Not be possible.... (IMO)
I have attached a screen shot of a Tweet made by Avon and Somerset Police.. The date of the tweet is 27th December 2010: 2:27pm
It could have been earlier that they Formally Identified her... that just the time of the tweet...
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#helpfindjo Police name woman found in Failand - police are satisfied that the body is architect Joanna Yeates. http://bit.ly/hTGzXF 5:53 AM - 26 Dec 2010
How come the Avon and Somerset Police tweet this after the Clifton People ?? look at the time...
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Police confirm sad news that body found yesterday is Jo Yeates who died in suspicious circumstances: http://tinyurl.com/23juzmp #helpfindjo 4:15 AM - 26 Dec 2010
So as early as 4:15am.... Joanna Yeates was Identified and "Suspicious Circumstances" are being mentioned... How is that even possible... The body hasn't had time to thaw...
The more times I can shave time off how long they had for her body to thaw fully... The less likely that she was actually frozen... So when was she put on Longwood Lane... because I DO NOT BELIEVE it was Friday 17th December 2010
So at 4:15 she had thawed enough to tell that there were suspicious circumstances and Identify her... So I think this lends to Lyndsey Lennen having samples as early as the 25/26 th December .. If they had to put her through the National data base as part of the identification process.. Then it only figures that Lyndsey Lennen had her samples before the Police say they are satisfied that it is Joanna Yeates...
This is a full day before the parents formally identify her according to the Police...
Lyndsey Lennen could only get the samples from Joanna Yeates if she is fully thawed.... But what of Rigor Mortis??
10 and 1/2 hours after she is in the Mortuary she is Identified by the Police.... And they have tweeted this... Isn't a formal identification supposed to be made by the family... which is done the day after....
So... I'm saying this Autopsy was completed in 44 hours at the most and it could even be less...
I do not believe that Joanna Yeates body was frozen at all... (IMO)...
And if she wasn't frozen she wasn't on Longwood Lane for 8 days .... (IMO)
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I've just found an earlier report that the body was identified as Joanna Yeates by another tweeter:
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Body Found Is Missing Joanna Yeates - Deepest condolences to all the family #helpfindjo
3:20 AM - 26 Dec 2010
How would this guy know this for sure at 3:20am ???
Found him on linkedin.. attached what his profession was around the time ..
EDIT.... This guy worked for Webweavers.... I was just looking at their portfolio and they created "Sarah's Law website...
Did they have any connection to the "Joanna Yeates Case"???
If he does have a connection to the case... That would shave another Hour off the time for her to be thawing...!
I wonder if he has a connection to Joanna Yeates... he is very active on tweeter in the early stages of the missing person enquiry..
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I am sure a lot of people were assuming the body was that of Joanna as soon as they heard that one had been found: the media, the tweeters, the posters on forums, all those who read or listen to the news, even if they don't use the internet. Her disappearance had been very widely reported, and the body was found in the part of the country where Joanna had been living. Nobody else had been reported missing with such wide coverage, even though I understand that there were other people who went missing during that week.
They were not waiting for official confirmation------although they should have been.
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Also, people are going to assume "suspicious circumstances" when a body is found dumped somewhere, particularly when it is the body of a young person who is not likely to have died from "natural causes".
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I am sure a lot of people were assuming the body was that of Joanna as soon as they heard that one had been found: the media, the tweeters, the posters on forums, all those who read or listen to the news, even if they don't use the internet. Her disappearance had been very widely reported, and the body was found in the part of the country where Joanna had been living. Nobody else had been reported missing with such wide coverage, even though I understand that there were other people who went missing during that week.
They were not waiting for official confirmation------although they should have been.
Yes... But the Police still confirmed it within a couple of hours...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg406482#msg406482
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I was looking at the Joanna Yeates word press and the photographs we are all used to viewing... And one stood out to me...
The background looks like someone has painted a bridge behind it.. Yet the sky looks real.... It's just a little bit strange....
It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.
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It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.
Ok... thanks for clearing that up 8)-)))
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It's a stone archway in a wall, with a customised wooden trellis fastened to it for plants to climb up. It's probably in the grounds of a hotel used for wedding receptions.
Yes, I reckoned the photo was taken at a wedding.
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I knew that the "Post Mortem Had started on the 26th December 2010...
It shouldn't have been possible....
A spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police said: "While a formal identification procedure is yet to be completed, police are satisfied that the body is that of 25-year-old landscape architect Joanna Yeates, who went missing during the weekend before Christmas."
He added: "A post-mortem examination has been taking place in Bristol today.
"However, because of the extreme freezing conditions in which Joanna's body was found, it is unlikely that any findings from this will be known until tomorrow at the earliest.
So how Frozen was Joanna Yeates.... I really don't believe she was at all... (IMO)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12080254
Edit:.... Think about this... She needs to defrost and the her body would be in full Rigor Mortis... if she did indeed die on the 17th December 2010
I cannot see how they can start an Autopsy until the body is in a condition to do so....
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Specialist fire crews were called to the road where the snow-covered body of a young woman was found on Saturday morning.
Ms Yeates was captured on CCTV while shopping shortly after leaving a pub on 17 December
In a delicate operation, investigators have tried to retrieve the body - which has not been identified - without damaging any evidence at the scene, said BBC reporter Richard Greenaway.
So they needed to retrieve the body with "Specialist Fire Crews"?
The family of a missing Bristol landscape architect are awaiting the results of a post mortem examination after the body of a woman was found.
In the next breadth...
Miss Yeates, 25, was last seen on 17 December, when she is thought to have returned to the flat she shared with her boyfriend in the Clifton area.
The post-mortem examination is expected to take place on Boxing Day.
So I think this was completed a lot sooner than they lead us to believe...
Our reporter said six scenes of crime officers had been examining the road, which is near Long Ashton Golf Club, on the edge of Bristol.
I believe this report reveals so much more than was probably intended....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12079502
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Police Continued a Forensic Search of the Landlords Flat, which is above The Basement Flat Miss yeates shared with her boyfriend
This is a transcript from the video.... And possible quite an important little video clip...
Again visual footage draws your eye to the SHARED Front door of Canygne Road and that gives the impression that CJ lives on the opposite side of the building to Joanna Yeates.... I personally always thought he did..
Because... we then have:
Geoffrey Hardyman, who lives in the flat on the top floor of 44 Canynge Road, said he was ill with a cold on the night of December 17 last year.
He said that even though he had gone to bed at 11pm - after Miss Yeates was killed by Tabak - he heard nothing of the events inside her ground floor flat.
OMG.... I was always under the impression that he lived directly above Joanna Yeates, I hadn't taken the information in correctly... He's a small player in this event... But his statement has been made in court... WHY??
Geoffrey Hardyman full of cold, blocked nose ,blocked ears , tucked up in bed is absolutley no use to anyone as a WITNESS!!! But as a distraction he is useful....
I'm thinking the use of the media has been extremely well executed.. (IMO)
Leonora.... The 2nd witness testemony is important... But I believe it might not be to do with who CJ saw at the gate.
Joanna Yeates was seen at the Hophouse Pub on CCTV at 8:45pm she has a 5 minutes walk.. she stops and makes pleasantries with the Priest... That must be getting to 8:55 pm....
The prosecution in their court statements say they believe that Joanna Yeates was getting comfortable for the evening.... So the earliest time she could have been killed becomes later....
CJ only says he saw someone at the gate... he doesn't say in which direction they are going.... Are they arriving ??
Back to CJ and which Flat he lives in.... "The One Directly above Joanna Yeates"......
So she may have been leaving or arriving with someone she knew... But CJ is directly above... any NOISE and Screams.. should have been heard by CJ.... not Geoffrey Hardyman.
The 2nd witness statement would have the correct time he arrived home... I believe he originally said he didn't hear anything unusual.... Well.. if Joanna Yeates was in a fight for her life and Screaming so loudly... ..CJ Must have heard that.. and if he didn't she wasn't in her Flat when she was killed... She probably left... Or she wasn't killed on the 17th December 2010...
8:55pm... She has to change her clothes still... there are so many action that have to take place before she "Apparently Opens The Door"... to Dr Vincent Tabak..... he can't have forced his way in with her at her doorstep.... she wouldn't have changed her clothes... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't say anything about the clothes she was wearing or whether he redressed her...
But maybe someone else redressed her?? But probably not...
The time is getting nearer to 9:05pm... Is that why the Prosecution KNOW that Joanna Yeates was getting comfy that evening... Because she changed her clothes to Flower Patterned Pink Top with Blue Jeans from the Plain Top and Black/Grey Jeans she is seen wearing in the CCTV Footage...
The neighbours across The Roads testimony is useless (IMO)... It's CJ's testimony that is the Important one... CJ did see someone at the gate... It doesn't matter in some way that if could have been Joanna Yeates... But that someone was probably GOING to the Flat.... Maybe "Kingdom's " statement is more Important too.... His hearing "Screams".. Mid Morning on The 18th December 2010....
Another thing I have noticed is how the Police Cars BLOCK the driveway, making it impossible for Dr Vincent Tabak to return to his Flat in Peace.... But the media make out that Dr Vincent Tabak was hiding from the Flat... The Gate is closed... which Tennats can't come and go freely ???
Thought part of Police Procedure was to be sympathetic to the community.. Another thing I have noticed is there is NO POLICE TAPE.. around the area of CJ Entrance to his Flat...
There were apparent blood stains on her flower patterned pink top but no signs of injuries to her genitalia, Dr Delaney said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-neighbour-1085088
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/police-in-bristol-have-renewed-their-call-for-help-from-news-footage/107853537
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Before he was detained he had apparently told police he saw three people leaving Jo’s flat on the night she disappeared. But within hours of his version of events being made public, he appeared less certain about what had happened.
‘It is a serious distortion of what I said to the police and I have no further comment to make as that, no doubt, will be distorted,’ he said.
This bit stuck out: But within hours of his version of events being made public,
Reminded me of DC Karen Thomas and the Crime watch Program when the Presenter says On New Years Eve they sent a team out to meet him at a hotel in Amsterdam... But his version of events seemed confused
when referring to Dr Vincent Tabak...
Again... the media's use here casts doubt on the validity of Both CJ and Dr Vincent Tabak's statements not being accurate...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343360/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Chris-Jefferies-freed-bail-2-days.html#ixzz4hKIQcExq
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OMG.... I was always under the impression that he lived directly above Joanna Yeates, I hadn't taken the information in correctly... He's a small player in this event... But his statement has been made in court... WHY??
Geoffrey Hardyman full of cold, blocked nose ,blocked ears , tucked up in bed is absolutley no use to anyone as a WITNESS!!! But as a distraction he is useful....
I'm thinking the use of the media has been extremely well executed.. (IMO)
Leonora.... The 2nd witness testemony is important... But I believe it might not be to do with who CJ saw at the gate.
Joanna Yeates was seen at the Hophouse Pub on CCTV at 8:45pm she has a 5 minutes walk.. she stops and makes pleasantries with the Priest... That must be getting to 8:55 pm....
Although you make some very good points in this post - especially the reason you give why Geoffrey Hardyman's testimony was heard in court - I am on the verge of giving up in despair. You name me specifically, yet you haven't paid any attention AT ALL to my repeated explanations of why the importance of CJ's 2nd witness statement cannot be understated. I keep on trying to emphasise that its importance lies in observations that we know nothing about. The persons seen on the path HAVE TO BE just the tip of the iceberg. They alone are enough for you to DEMAND that the police explain what they did about these persons. But it was because of the rest of the iceberg that CJ was arrested. I see no point in speculating about the nature of that iceberg as long as you completely ignore what I post.
Actually, Geoffrey Hardyman was adamant that he would have heard screams and noise if there had been any, despite being bedridden. This of course should have been tested by Mr Clegg, both at the scene and in court.
You post very confusingly here, because one minute you are putting together arguments that are intended to lead to the truth, and the next minute you are basing your arguments on the sequence of events described by Vincent Tabak, which neither you nor anyone else believes to be correct. You know that we don't actually know whether Joanna was killed on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, nor how many times she changed her clothes, nor what she had to eat and drink, nor when. You know that we don't know whether there were any screams or not. You know that we don't know where she was killed, nor whether there was a serious struggle in the flat, or something much less serious that simply resulted in washing-up being left undone.
For some reason, most other people believe they know all these things, yet they also believe Vincent Tabak is a liar.
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Although you make some very good points in this post - especially the reason you give why Geoffrey Hardyman's testimony was heard in court - I am on the verge of giving up in despair. You name me specifically, yet you haven't paid any attention AT ALL to my repeated explanations of why the importance of CJ's 2nd witness statement cannot be understated. I keep on trying to emphasise that its importance lies in observations that we know nothing about. The persons seen on the path HAVE TO BE just the tip of the iceberg. They alone are enough for you to DEMAND that the police explain what they did about these persons. But it was because of the rest of the iceberg that CJ was arrested. I see no point in speculating about the nature of that iceberg as long as you completely ignore what I post.
Actually, Geoffrey Hardyman was adamant that he would have heard screams and noise if there had been any, despite being bedridden. This of course should have been tested by Mr Clegg, both at the scene and in court.
You post very confusingly here, because one minute you are putting together arguments that are intended to lead to the truth, and the next minute you are basing your arguments on the sequence of events described by Vincent Tabak, which neither you nor anyone else believes to be correct. You know that we don't actually know whether Joanna was killed on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, nor how many times she changed her clothes, nor what she had to eat and drink, nor when. You know that we don't know whether there were any screams or not. You know that we don't know where she was killed, nor whether there was a serious struggle in the flat, or something much less serious that simply resulted in washing-up being left undone.
For some reason, most other people believe they know all these things, yet they also believe Vincent Tabak is a liar.
leonora... I'm not dismissing what you say and I whole heartedly agree that the 2nd Witness Statemnet of CJ will reveal, what took place that evening.... I was Just pointing out other factors that the 2nd witness statement would also reveal.... Of Course CJ saw People at the Gate..... That goes without saying..... ?{)(**
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Late on 23rd December 2010, an unnamed spokesman told the news media that the police did not suspect Joanna Yeates's boyfriend Greg Reardon of any involvement in her disappearance. During his first press conference on 28th December 2010, DCI Phil Jones was asked by a reporter if Greg Reardon were a suspect. He answered "No, he is a witness".
For obvious, logical, circumstantial, contextual reasons, the boyfriend ought to have been a prime suspect, even if the police didn't say so publicly, until other, more plausible suspects were discovered. Before you say, "the police probably checked his alibi", let me remind you that until Vincent Tabak told the jury that he killed Joanna Yeates on the Friday evening, no one knew when she was killed. By his own account, Greg Reardon had no alibi for nearly seven hours, between getting home from Sheffield and the arrival of WPC Anneleise Jackson in response to his 999 call.
At that stage, the police couldn't possibly know that he didn't do it, as their suspicion of the landlord was "a mistake", and Vincent Tabak didn't even become a suspect "officially" until the Schiphol interview.
So why did the police take these unusual steps of publicly eliminating Greg Reardon so early on? Was it because:
(1) They were flat-footed bumblers who also desparately needed to make an arrest to keep the press of their backs?
(2) They already knew that Joanna was dead and who the real killer was?
(3) They wanted to lull Greg Reardon into a false sense of security?
(4) They wanted to signal to the real killer that he couldn't relax?
(5) They wanted to reinforce the public image of a loving couple with no skeletons in their cupboards?
Because I am Leonora, I don't believe the police were bumbling, nor, unlike some, do I believe Christopher Jefferies had done anything to be ashamed of. As a suspect, the landlord left much to be desired.
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3:08PM GMT 22 Dec 2010
Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen leaving a pub in Bristol at 8pm on Friday after drinks with colleagues. She went shopping at a Tesco store before going home but has not been seen or heard from since.
Miss Yeates, known as Jo, was reported missing by her boyfriend Greg Reardon when he returned to the flat they shared in the Clifton area on Sunday night.
It's the paper saying that she has not been heard from... But one thing DCI Mark Saunder mention was the "Items she purchased " from Tesco's..
We believe she mad a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street at around 8:40pm
See... "Some Items"...... What else did she buy from Tesco's ????
I don't understand if DCI Mark Saunders says as early as The 22nd December 2010 that she was in Tesco's... why are all the advertising of her disappearance plastered with the time of 8:30 pm as her last know whereabouts ???
3:08PM GMT 22 Dec 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8219528/Family-appeal-for-missing-Bristol-woman.html
EDIT..... As we know Police keep things back in an Inquiry.... have the Knowledge of other Items that Joanna Yeates Purchased yet the Public don't know about????
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I keep trying to track down some of the Interviews that Rebecca Scott gave to the Press and how in accurate they appear to be....
”Jo and Greg were spending Christmas at her parents.
”We were also finalising New Year’s Eve plans – we were going up to Edinburgh as a few of us wanted to go.
”Then I had a message from the police on my phone on Sunday saying Jo was missing.
”There doesn’t seem to be anything missing from the house at all – even her coat and keys are there. I know Jo, and she takes these kind of things with her.
How could she recieved a message on her phone from the Police on The Sunday Night when Greg hadn't reported her missing until the early hours of Monday Morning????
Rebecca, studying PhD in marine biology at Swansea University, added: ”All the police’s normal missing persons scenarios have come to a dead end. She’s just not the sort of person to go missing.
Jo is not one to hide her feelings – if there’s something bothering her, she will say. Jo is really outgoing. She was a very, very popular girl and she’s done very well for herself.
There is always conflicting information in this case.... Doesn;'t matter who it comes from...
http://swns.com/news/last-person-to-speak-to-joanna-yeates-tells-of-missing-bristol-womans-christmas-plans-12636/
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I didn't know this is where the "Green Fleece was in the flat..
"Joanna went into her flat. She took off her coat, she took off her green fleece that she was wearing under her coat and put it on a chair, she took off her boots and she went into the kitchen.
How did they Know she took off her boots??
She told Rebecca from Swansea, who gave evidence the other day, that she was bored and explored the possibility of travelling to Swansea to see her. The weather ruled it out.
"She texted three other friends, all in an effort to have some company.
"So she said she was bored to Rebecca and she was looking for company, as those text messages so clearly tell us.
... How does Clegg know all this ???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8836324/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-after-she-invited-him-in-for-a-drink.html
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I'll attach a tweet by image....
It definetly didn't snow on Friday 17th December 2010 on Canygne Road... I'm positive... I remeber Dr Vincent tabak Talking about taking photo's...
But he never mentions when Clegg speaks to him that he slipped in The Snow when collecting his Car... But he tells the prosecution that...
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Tabak_Cross-Examination?Page=0
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I didn't know this is where the "Green Fleece was in the flat..
How did they Know she took off her boots??
... How does Clegg know all this ???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8836324/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-after-she-invited-him-in-for-a-drink.html
Most of what Clegg states about Joanna's actions fits in well with the accepted facts. Obviously she took her boots off once indoors.
I am delighted that you have at last pounced on the green fleece, however. No one else in court, or outside, referred to Joanna having a green fleece. However, in the videos, you can see she has something bright green on underneath her cream coat. It is either the green lining of the coat, or a separate green fleece. Mr. Clegg was just teasing the Prosecution for not bothering to clarify this point. If it were a separate fleece, it is possible that Mr Clegg knew that she had not in fact been wearing it that day, and that the videos were all taken on another occasion, and the timestamps tampered with.
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If it's any help, I have a winter coat very much like Joanna's, and it has a detachable fleece! Not green though---
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If it's any help, I have a winter coat very much like Joanna's, and it has a detachable fleece! Not green though---
it was the first time I knew where the fleece was in the house.... Dr Vincent Tabak didn't put it there ....
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Was looking at an Image from the 31st December 2010 of 44 Canygne Road.... Apart from one light in one window... The whole building is in darkness...
Have all the tenants moved out by this Time ??
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As far as I am aware his Flat is above Joanna Yeates Flat.....
It appears that someone is making these flats appear occupied (IMO)..
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How many flats are there in that building??? There are Four Floors..
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There is only one big mystery here, and that is why the police didn't suggest waiting to see if Joanna turned up at work the next day. Instead, they sent officers out to Canynge Rd and roused the neighbours in the middle of the night. As far as we know, the police set up "Operation Braid" as soon as they arrived for work on Monday morning. This included setting up a website faster than you can say "Jack Robinson".
This may be due to the fact that Joanna's godfather DS Peter Yeates pulled some strings, or it may be because the police already know something about Joanna's fate that we can only guess at.
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Another report I find interesting is:
The Avon Fire Service helped police remove the body, which was clothed and covered in snow, from the scene in order to preserve the site for a thorough forensic examination.
Why has there always been these articles about Joanna yeates being "Clothed"... whether "Fully Clothed " or not??
Why do they need to mention it so early on???
Another report talks about "The Mince Pies" that Joanna had printed "The Recipe " for and put it in her "Diary"..
But you click the link and it's been removed ??
Breaking News
12:20pm UK, Tuesday December 28, 2010
Joanna Yeates Was Strangled, Police Confirm
"Mrs Yeates, 58, said her daughter had been busily preparing for Christmas and had been planning to make mince pies at the weekend, printing out a recipe from the internet and tucking it into her diary.
She said: "She had a new flat and new things and wanted it to be special for Christmas. She wanted to finish Christmas shopping and do some baking for Tuesday, when friends were due to come round for a Christmas party.""
Which friends were due to come round?????
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/LET-COME/article-3038837-detail/article.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-police-satisfied-body-271510
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/joanna-yeates.html
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Wouldn't this statement warrant some action??
Police are now trying to determine how long the body was on the verge.
A woman from a nearby village has reportedly said she was driving with her two daughters late on Christmas Eve when they saw a man run across the road and jump over a stile.
She said: "It was dark and it was very odd."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8226684/Missing-architect-body-showed-no-signs-of-injury.html
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Here'a a list of news Articles around the time of Joanna Yeates Case....
NEWS UPDATES DECEMBER 2010
Police satisfied woman's body found on snowy verge is missing landscape architect
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....l#ixzz19EJzy6UQ
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c....-of-injury.html
her body was fully clothed and there were no obvious injuries.
One theory is that Miss Yeates was abducted, knocked unconscious and then died of hypothermia after being pushed out of a car and into the snow.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News....t_Was_Strangled
Breaking News
12:20pm UK, Tuesday December 28, 2010
Joanna Yeates Was Strangled, Police Confirm
"Mrs Yeates, 58, said her daughter had been busily preparing for Christmas and had been planning to make mince pies at the weekend, printing out a recipe from the internet and tucking it into her diary.
She said: "She had a new flat and new things and wanted it to be special for Christmas. She wanted to finish Christmas shopping and do some baking for Tuesday, when friends were due to come round for a Christmas party.""
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/LET-COME/article-3038837-detail/article.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/29/joanna-yeates-sighting-flat-two-people
Joanna Yeates could have left flat with two people
Chris Jefferies, 65, reportedly saw three people leaving her property on December 17 shortly after 9pm - not long after Miss Yeates, 25, arrived home alone - as he parked his car in Canynge Road.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress....31293627946622A
NEWS UPDATE 30 DECEMBER 2010
Joanna Yeates' Landlord Held Over Murder
A 65-year-old man arrested by detectives hunting the killer of Joanna Yeates is her landlord Chris Jefferies, Sky sources say.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News....der%3A_Man_Held
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c....-trip-away.html
Heres a new report saying that the Landlord helped fix the car that the boyfriend Greg Reardon used to go to Sheffield to see his brother.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view....rite-local-pub/
Joanna had dinner about 12.30 with her boyfriend at a local pub 7 hours before he was due to visit his brother.
NEWS UPDATE JANUARY 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103905
This quote is interesting... Joanna had dinner about 12.30 with her boyfriend at a local pub 7 hours before he was due to visit his brother.
There are more... at http://empathysinsights.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/joanna-yeates.html
But alot of the links don't work anymore ??
Edit.... I'll just add this one because it describes "The Sock detail"
She may have been abducted - or strangled there by a killer who carried her body away before dumping it in a snowbound lane.
The shoes and coat were found at Jo's flat in Clifton, Bristol.
But the two-tone grey sock, which has pale detail on the toes and shin, is missing - and could have been taken by a "trophy" killer as a grisly keepsake of his crime.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress....91294197569189A
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The grim discovery was made at 9am by a couple walking their dogs in the Failand area of north Somerset. An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said: "We are satisfied the body is Joanna Yeates, but this is pending the results of a post-mortem which is not expected for at least 24 hours due to the nature of how she was found in such extreme conditions."
What does "The Nature of how she was found" mean ??
Is this refering to the dog walkers???
Is the "Nature of how she was found" a problematic place to reach...??
http://www.scotsman.com/news/joanna-yeates-police-inquiry-stalls-for-24-hours-because-body-too-frozen-1-1523123
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They were left baffled after finding no sign of injury on her frozen corpse and now fear she was not dead when ditched by the side of a golf course on Christmas Eve, with temperatures at -9C.
So at -9C.... Why did Andrew Mott need to stop a body from "Thawing"...
This article has a list of CCTV I need to check....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-may-have-frozen-to-death-after-271727
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This Pizza and note business,.. just keeps going round and round...
Written on lined A5 paper and ripped from a notepad, the letter included a pizza label - but not that of the Tesco pizza purchased by Miss Yeates.
Bristol Ram landlord Alex Major said: "I can confirm we received a letter via the post on Monday 27, the first Monday after Christmas.
"There was a pizza label inside, but it wasn't a Tesco label."
The letter had a made-up address and telephone number written on it but had not been signed by the sender. It made reference to different pizza toppings and stated Miss Yeates' name, but did not make direct reference to her murder.
I started to think what this note must have looked like and visually A5 paper comes from something the size of an exercise book...
Could be a Note pad.... Could be from a filofax...Could be a Diary....
I'm actually surprised it didn't come to court..... And more made of it.... But I need to scrutinise the Article....
In January 2011, at Line 10 of the prosecution chart
Tabak Googled news about Joanna Yeates and a label and letter sent to a public house.
Why is this Article in the paper?? We are given too much information to be honest... This is a murder inquiry how do the Police Know whether or NOT it is relevant??? They have "NOT" Arrested and Charged anyone in relation to Joanna Yeates "Murder" by the 14:21, 10 JAN 2011 as the Article is timed....
How can the landlord confirm he received the letter by post..... I was looking at that statement the other day and it bugged me... As far as I am aware.... There would not have been any post on Monday 27th December as.. Boxing day fell on The Sunday 26th December, which would make the following day a Bank Holiday...
Now part of this Article is written as if the information has come from "The Landlord" himself... The quote i have done appears to come from the Landlord... Infact the whole Article seems to have come from Information the Landlord has stated...
Gets me questioning...
The letter had a made-up address and telephone number written on it but had not been signed by the sender. It made reference to different pizza toppings and stated Miss Yeates' name, but did not make direct reference to her murder.
How could he possibly know it had a made- up address and telephone number unless he had "Checked" what that address was and tried to ring the telephone number... Also if it didn't make "Direct" reference to her "Murder".. what "Indirect" reference to her "Murder" was contained within the Note??
It made reference to "Pizza Toppings".... Is this a shopping list??
Police took the letter away to be analysed.
An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said: "We take any reports of information in relation to this inquiry seriously. "Any leads that are provided from the public will be followed up."
So I believe my first quote I've used is The Landlords statement.... Because the Police say that they take any reports seriously.... So they wouldn't even divulge that they have recieved this NOTE ..(IMO)
When I read note pad... I thought a lot smaller but it isn't... A5 is a fair size.... plenty can be written on it...
Why would the person who wrote this note/letter put a fake address and phone number on it??
I'm now envisaging that it is written in the style of a formal letter... with the "Address and Phone Number" to the top right hand side of the paper...
Somebody has obviously gone to the trouble to "Post" this letter... surely the stamp would have DNA on it??
What did 'The Envelope" look like that this "Note/Letter and label" came in?? I say this because it only say:
Police took the letter away to be analysed.
'Where's The Envelope"?? I'm now thinking... did they not take the label as well?? Because you just assume they must... Don't make it correct..
Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have googled "Letter" sent to "Pub" now if it's a letter the construction of the text would be that as in a formal letter... But if it's a note... then the idea that a list of "Pizza" topping where written upon it would add to that.... How was this 'Letter/Note constructed ??
There is so much information that could be gleened from the way in which this 'Letter/Note is constructed, that to dismiss it out of hand before they have "Charged anyone with Murder" seems ridiculous....
Did this letter/note have spelling errors?? I know I mis-spell all the time... what was the phrasing on this Note/letter?? Was this Note/Letter written in Capitals???
The same applies to "The Label...... Was this "Label" ripped from a "Pizza " box?? Or was this "Label" carefully cut with a pair of scissors?? Whether you rip or cut.... it can tell a lot about the person who sent this "Letter /Note to 'the Bristol Ram"... Or did someone use a knife to hack at the "Label"?? There are obviously varying ways in which this Label could be detached from the box.....
Next question.... If "The Label" wasn't from "Tesco's how would he know ????
What supermarket branding was on this label??? If "NO" Supermarket Branding... how on earth do you know every "Pizza" and labelling that appears on a "Tesco's Pizza range of varying types.. to be able to say 'That it wasn't" from "Tesco's "??
That could only be possible if you are a "Pizza freak" and constantly purchase "Pizza" from various outlets, to be able to distinguish between one label and another...(IMO)..
If the branding wasn't visible... and the "Police" had mislead what"Actual" Pizza Flavour was purchased by "Joanna Yeates"....As demonstrated by Gareth Bevan.... Then how could anyone know if the "Pizza" label was not "Correct"??
This is very puzzling.....!!
At 4.10 (pm) Tabak searched on Wikipedia for the words
‘Detention of a suspect’
‘letter and label sent to a public house’
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-sick-pranksters-173859
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I'm trying to find proof that I believe some of the photo's that appear in the press relating to The Joaana Yeates case have been tampered with.. In my opinion...
With me never really being able to identify the colour of Dr Vincent Tabak's eyes ... I was looking for written detail... alas i didn't find it....
But I believe I have found one better ....
I have attached an image of Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja competing in "The Stroud Run 2009"
There are other images of them running and I'll come back to them...
On the image of the Stroud run October 2009 we can clearly identify there running Numbers...
Dr Vincent Tabak being Number 785
Tanja Morson being Number 783
I thought I'd have a look at their times and see how fit they may be... Firstly... which suprised me was that there times were identical.... both finishing at a time of exactly....
Tanja Morsons: Gun Time = 02:34:31 Chip Time = 02:32:18
Dr Vincent Tabak: Gun Time =02:34:31 Chip time = 02:32:18
To have a Chip time you need I believe is : Many races feature a timing technology in which all participants run with a computer chip attached to their running shoe.
But that is not the most interesting part of this information on the PDF.....
Dr Vincent Tabaks Number on The Photograph is ... 785
Dr Vincent tabak's Official Race Number is.......... 784
Tanaj Morson's Number on Photograph is ... 783
Tanja Morson's Offical Race Number is ... 783
The person with the "Official Rave Number of ..... 785 Is "Danielle Holden" Again I believe that this Photo of Dr Vincent Tabak has been tampered with and we are probably drifting into "Nested Loops territory.. (IMO)..
There are other pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak running... and he has a completely different number on altogether don't know which race it's supposed to be ....
The last image is of them taking part in a 10k run supposed together ... I think Dr Vincent tabak has been added to this photo..
Every Race Event that Tanja Morson has attended since 2006 Dr Vincent tabak does not appear on them... Tanja Morson always wears her 'West Bury Harriers shirt as they are Official races that she attends.....
Here are a list of events Tanja Morson has raced since 2006
http://www.thornburyrunningclub.co.uk/?page_id=1742
http://www.thornburyrunningclub.co.uk/?page_id=1742
http://www.cirencester-ac.org.uk/results/wb10k/2008-1.htm
http://www.runlog.co.uk/shaunc/results/ironwood2009.pdf
I'm aware they didn't get together as a couple for a while.. But I'm trying to establish... these running pictures ...
Are actually of a couple who run together .... somethings not quite true in relation to these pictures...
It is not until this RACE... That Dr Vincent Tabak's Name appears along side Tanja Morson
http://www.stroudathleticclub.co.uk/Content/Results/stroud_half_marathon/stroudhalf2009.pdf
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/police-charge-vincent-tabak-with-jo-yeates-murder-108259204#vincent-tabak-runs-with-his-girlfriend-tanja-morson-in-the-stroud-picture-id108259311
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Continuing with these Running photos....
I will deal with each image at a time... Will make my posts clearer I hope.....
The image I have attached to me appears to be two seperate people running on a road... Together ????
I will explain why I don't believe this image....
This Event is suposed to be in June 2010... I can find an image of Tanja running on her own in this event which I will also add a link to... I cannot find any written documentation on this event... I don't know where it is...
Image 2 is from the link.... And Dr Vincent Tabak isn't right next to her !!
First link: http://londonnewspictures.photoshelter.com/image/I0000AV4X9GNbhy8
Notice the difference between the two pictures... I believe they are what would be a standard race image when you enter an event... there's always at least one image unless you win which tends to be taken at the half way stage of the race...
I have added a third image of both images side by side...... you can see Tanja Morson has the same expression on her face in both images... the only problem is The man posing as Dr Vincent Tabak has been added ... you can clearly see this ..... And there is a blurred out dark object behind the man .... posing as Dr Vincent Tabak pretending to run with Tanaj Morson... (IMO)...
Fourth image show a black square on Tanaj Morsons left shoulder... which doesn't appear in her Official Photo that was taken in June 2010
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-suspect-vincent-105911
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"Between" 16th and 26th December is obviously not intended to include either of the mentioned dates, as we all know full well that Joanna was alive on the 16th, and dead on the 26th.
"Between" 16th and 19th December indicates that the police thought Joanna died on the 17th or 18th.
Why this was than changed to go right up to the 25th, is a mystery, I agree! Somebody, somewhere, must have thought it very possible that she died later than the 18th. But who????
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"Between" 16th and 26th December is obviously not intended to include either of the mentioned dates, as we all know full well that Joanna was alive on the 16th, and dead on the 26th.
"Between" 16th and 19th December indicates that the police thought Joanna died on the 17th or 18th.
Why this was than changed to go right up to the 25th, is a mystery, I agree! Somebody, somewhere, must have thought it very possible that she died later than the 18th. But who????
But My question is why originally in January 2011... was it between the 16th December and the 26th December 2010... and could it be because of that was the date the "Post Mortem" was carried out?
I didn't think it was possible to change the date of a charge like that... Is it normal???
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BDP... Reports....
JO YEATES
24/12/2010
Our thoughts are with the family and friends and colleagues of Jo Yeates, landscape architect in our Bristol studio, whose disappearance and tragic death over the Christmas period remain a mystery.
STATEMENT FROM KEITH PAVEY, HEAD OF BDP’S BRISTOL STUDIO
"We are struggling to come to terms with the tragic and untimely death of our colleague Jo Yeates. She was a very popular member of staff and a talented and committed professional with a rewarding career in front of her. She will be sorely missed and our heartfelt thoughts go out to her parents, Teresa and David, and to her long-term partner Greg, who is an architect with BDP, also in Bristol. We are currently considering the most appropriate way of remembering Jo and will issue a further statement in due course."
How did they know this on the 24th December 2010???
This is extremely strange... The Article Date is the 24th December 2010 which they cannot change just as my post date will be... 5th June 2017 ...
So how Did BDP.... manage to write an Article on there own website.. The Day before she was "Officially Found"????
http://www.bdp.com/en/latest/news/2010/Jo-Yeates/
I'm surprised that they didn't have an employee photograph of Joanna yeates .. But not as surprised as I am about them knowing she was dead the day before.....
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Why are there no lawyers out there looking at this case ?? Everything about it screams.. Totally wrong... nothing adds up whatsoever ... Nothing makes sense whatsoever... I spoke to the "Dutchie' this weekend he's as baffled as me... he can't understand why the Dutch embassy haven't got involved ....
I wonder if the Dutch Embassy are fully aware as to what has taken place?? If the are under the Impression that with having The Complex Crime Unit Involved and other charges held on file that they cannot do anything for Dr Vincent Tabak.... Well I hope someone from The Dutch Embassy reads this subject on this forum... and someone starts making some noise ... and sooner rather than later ...(IMO)...
After Vincent Tabak's lawyers abandoned any attempt to apply for bail, one of Noel O'Gara's associates wrote a forthright letter to the consular staff at the Royal Netherlands Embassy, telling them it was their job to provide the accused with a more competent lawyer. I never saw any response from them.
I am confident that the diplomats knew a lot more about this case than we can ever hope to know.
I'm glad you have talked about the case to someone with Dutch connections, as I rarely seem to meet any.
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After Vincent Tabak's lawyers abandoned any attempt to apply for bail, one of Noel O'Gara's associates wrote a forthright letter to the consular staff at the Royal Netherlands Embassy, telling them it was their job to provide the accused with a more competent lawyer. I never saw any response from them.
I am confident that the diplomats knew a lot more about this case than we can ever hope to know.
I'm glad you have talked about the case to someone with Dutch connections, as I rarely seem to meet any.
Being a Dutchman.. he will have Dutch connections 8)--))
Who's Peter Randall? while I'm at it ?? Name rings a bell
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Pavey said: “It is now over seven weeks since Jo was so tragically taken from us and it is still difficult to come to terms with her untimely and unnecessary death.
What an odd statement???
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/bdp-colleagues-launch-tributes-to-joanna-yeates/5012783.article
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I wouldn't take too much notice of the fact that BDP dated their article 24th December. That was their last working day before Christmas. The article would have been one of the first things they published on returning to work after Christmas, and I expect they just forgot to adjust the date. Just my opinion, anyway, but I cannot see how anyone from BDP would be involved in knowing Joanna was dead before anyone else did.
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Continuing with these Running photos....
I will deal with each image at a time... Will make my posts clearer I hope.....
The image I have attached to me appears to be two seperate people running on a road... Together ????
I will explain why I don't believe this image....
This Event is suposed to be in June 2010... I can find an image of Tanja running on her own in this event which I will also add a link to... I cannot find any written documentation on this event... I don't know where it is...
Image 2 is from the link.... And Dr Vincent Tabak isn't right next to her !!
First link: http://londonnewspictures.photoshelter.com/image/I0000AV4X9GNbhy8
Notice the difference between the two pictures... I believe they are what would be a standard race image when you enter an event... there's always at least one image unless you win which tends to be taken at the half way stage of the race...
I have added a third image of both images side by side...... you can see Tanja Morson has the same expression on her face in both images... the only problem is The man posing as Dr Vincent Tabak has been added ... you can clearly see this ..... And there is a blurred out dark object behind the man .... posing as Dr Vincent Tabak pretending to run with Tanaj Morson... (IMO)...
Fourth image show a black square on Tanaj Morsons left shoulder... which doesn't appear in her Official Photo that was taken in June 2010
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-suspect-vincent-105911
This mark is the equivalent of a cartographers error. The owner of the photo may have placed the mark in order to be able to spot the photo as his/hers if it is reproduced anywhere else without permission when a fee may be chargeable. Not unusual for photographers to use this and similar methods to facilitate instant recognition.
And for those of you wondering what a cartographers error is, if you take a map painstakingly created by a cartographer (map drawing man) you will find deliberate errors incorporated so the cartographer can spot that a map is actually reproduced from his own hard work. You can see things like extra bends in rivers, contour lines that show a shape different to an actual hill, bits cut out of woodland etc etc.
AH
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Regarding the "Pizza and The Note".... I have attached an article from "The Press Reader" which says That "The Landlord recieved The Pizza and Note" on the 27th December 2010...
I remeber Colin Port talking about going back for the CCTV footage and not gaining access... And having to return to collect the CCTV Unit itself...
Now when he states in his written statement that the 'Landlord" wasn't there... he omitted a couple of details...
MAINLY..........
Mr Colin Port
If I look at the chronology, on 22 December, we visited the place. We took away a short period of CCTV. We then widened the parameters regarding that and we went back. We looked at the piece of equipment. Because we needed to have a bigger download, we needed to take it away. We were satisfied that the particular piece of equipment that was there was robust and would stay the course so we then went back on the 4th. On the 27th, the place was closed, I think, or during the week of the 27th the place was closed. On the 4th, a technician went back, seized the whole unit and there was a reporter there. So what we would say and what we are saying is we seized the CCTV and it wasn't because the Daily Mirror had raised it with us.
So according to "Colin Port"... "The Ram was closed" during the week of "The 27th December 2010...
There are lots to contemplate with this statement....
(A): When did the Landlord of "The Ram" inform the Police of the "Pizza and Note"??
(B): Why did they not track him down immediateley to see this Pizza and Note"
(C): Knowing that 'The Ram was closed the week of 27th December 2010.. did that not raise suspicions ??
(D): Was Dr Vincent tabak refering to "The Landlord of "The Ram"??
(E): Was this the reason the Police "Flew to Holland"??
Why was the Ram closed on "The 27th December 2010" or During The week of The 27th December 2010" as Colin Port has stated ???
The 27th December is a significant Date.... That was the day they confirmed that Joanna Yeates had been "Murdered"... why were they not getting more information on anyone linked to "The Ram"... ???
If it took them till The 4th January 2011... to go back to "The Ram"... that in itself indicats that it was closed for about a week.... Because we have 2 important pieces of evidence to collect... Firstly The CCTV Unit.... And more importantly "The Pizza and Note..." so why was this pub closed for about a week at the most "Busiest Time " of The Year ????
http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-27-march-2012/mr-colin-port
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Quite possible that the Ram was closed Christmas week------as I do know it closes on Sundays!
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Monday 31 Jan 2011 1:07 pm
Ms Yeates’ Dutch neighbour Vincent Tabak has been charged with her murder, and is due to stand trial in October of this year, with the start provisionally set for the 4th of the month.
Mr Tabak has already appeared at Bristol Crown Court to hear the charges against him and a case management hearing is due to take place on May 4th.
Is it usual to know so much information so early on about when and where court dates are set??
http://metro.co.uk/2011/01/31/joanna-yeates-new-photos-released-as-vincent-tabak-trial-set-for-october-634616/
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Monday 31 Jan 2011 1:07 pm
http://metro.co.uk/2011/01/31/joanna-yeates-new-photos-released-as-vincent-tabak-trial-set-for-october-634616/
The declared purpose of the hearing on 31st January 2011 at Bristol Crown Court was to agree on a timetable for the case. The judge was Mr Colman Treacy - who expected to hear the case himself - as he
Is it usual to know so much information so early on about when and where court dates are set??
"pencilled in the date of 4th October for the trial".
The date of the plea and case management hearing was set for 4th May 2011 IN THIS COURT. As we all know, this hearing was moved to 5th May in a sinister court at the Old Bailey, before a DIFFERENT JUDGE. I feel 100% confident that we can conclude that Vincent Tabak had REFUSED to plead guilty of manslaughter, as Paul Cook had evidently tried to persuade him to do after his appearance before the Magistrate.
"I am going to tell you something that will shock you", he told Peter Brotherton. "You tell me and we will see", came the answer.
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25 December 2010
From the section Bristol
In a delicate operation that could take all day, investigators are trying to retrieve the body - which has not been identified - without damaging any evidence at the scene, said BBC reporter Richard Greenaway.
Why was this "Delicate Operation" going to take all day to retrieve Joanna Yeates ????
Andrew Mott and Martin Faithful both described trying to stop the body from Thawing... We know she wasn't stuck to the Frozen Ground on the Grass Verge... Andrew Mott in his testomony describes The Two as In seperate..
Mott says the body and ground were frozen. Defence asks about a broom handle used to help feed straps under the body.
2 minutes ago
Yet he states the obvious... And doesn't say that Joanna Yeates was frozen to the Ground!!! as we were all lead to believe...
The only reason it could take all day is AGAIN.... Her body was in a different Location to what they lead us to believe !!!
This article is dated 25th December 2010..!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12079050
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Continuing with these Running photos....
The image I have attached to me appears to be two seperate people running on a road... Together ????
I will explain why I don't believe this image....
This Event is suposed to be in June 2010... I can find an image of Tanja running on her own in this event which I will also add a link to... I cannot find any written documentation on this event... I don't know where it is...
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8056.0;attach=9094;image)
I agree, the photo certainly appears to be an amateurish attempt at photoshopping for some reason?
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I agree, the photo certainly appears to be an amateurish attempt at photoshopping for some reason?
Yes... they are... and what is the reason???
And why has nobody ever said anything about these photographs before..
Someone within the "Police" I believe had to "KNOW" about these images being changed... The papers themselves should have said something...
What did the Papers KNOW, not to question the validity of these images ??? Why didn't the Media act like "Journalists" and Investigate these "Images" that are clearly "Photoshopped" (IMO)..
With these "Pseudo" images across the tabloids didn't "One" "Solitary" "Investigative Journalist" ever stop and think that something untoward was going on???
Why did the "Whole British Media" happily go along in "Printing" these "Pseudo" Images without even a buy or leave as to "Who" and "Why" they had come into "Possesion" of "Pseudo Images featuring what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak "???
Instead they "Splashed" them across every tabloid in the Country to gain popularity with the general public wanting to read the latest Gossip" these papers had to offer... (IMO)...
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Yes... they are... and what is the reason???
And why has nobody ever said anything about these photographs before..
Someone within the "Police" I believe had to "KNOW" about these images being changed... The papers themselves should have said something...
What did the Papers KNOW, not to question the validity of these images ??? Why didn't the Media act like "Journalists" and Investigate these "Images" that are clearly "Photoshopped" (IMO)..
With these "Pseudo" images across the tabloids didn't "One" "Solitary" "Investigative Journalist" ever stop and think that something untoward was going on???
Why did the "Whole British Media" happily go along in "Printing" these "Pseudo" Images without even a buy or leave as to "Who" and "Why" they had come into "Possesion" of "Pseudo Images featuring what is supposed to be Dr Vincent Tabak "???
Instead they "Splashed" them across every tabloid in the Country to gain popularity with the general public wanting to read the latest Gossip" these papers had to offer... (IMO)...
That's unfortunately what some journalists get up to as well as tapping phones and entrapment etc etc. That was why we supposedly had the Leveson Inquiry into the conduct of certain professional journalists. And now the Tory government is backsliding on its commitment to those whose lives have been plagued by rogue journalists.
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Bargain Booze.... This is Interesting..... Two extracts from Two different papers... same story...
Robin Paine, who was working in the off-licence the night Miss Yeates was last seen alive, said detectives told her she had bought a small bottle of cider from the shop.
She said: ''I don't remember serving her and it was the Friday night before Christmas, between 8pm and 9pm and it is very, very busy. It's awful really, and unimaginable that someone can just disappear like that. It's really upsetting and I feel very, very sorry for the family.''
Why would detectives tell "Robin Paine" that Joanna Yeates had bought "A small bottle of Cider" ??
Robin Paine, who was working in the off-licence the night Miss Yeates was last seen alive, said detectives told her she had bought a small bottle of cider from the shop.
"I don't remember serving her and it was the Friday night before Christmas, between 8pm and 9pm and it is very, very busy," Ms Paine said.
"It was the night before all the students went home for Christmas and it was non-stop all night serving people. I spoke to the detectives and I said I didn't remember serving her. They came and took away the CCTV because they said she had been in here. The police think she bought a small bottle of cider - I just don't remember."
"How would the Police Know that "Joanna Yeates " had been in 'Bargain Booze ??? They came and took away the CCTV because they said she had been in here.
Did she have a Reciept for "Bargain Booze "???? It suggests that... especially as they say she bought a "Small" bottle of Cider!!!!
When did they "CIDER" become "Two" bottles ??????
"It was the night before all the students went home for Christmas and it was non-stop all night serving people. I spoke to the detectives and I said I didn't remember serving her. They came and took away the CCTV because they said she had been in here. The police think she bought a small bottle of cider - I just don't remember."
What Night Do Students ALL go home ??????
That is weird !!!! .... Did she go into "Bargain Booze on the 16th December 2010???? I never understood why her the date of death was between ... the 16th December 2010 and 19th December 2010 !!!
The night "Before" student break up is "Thursday"... Not much is probably happening the last day of college..(IMO)..
I've attached an image of Bristol term time .. for this year... Last Friday a week or so in December is when they break up
I'm sure most would Go Home on the "Friday" when term time was over (IMO)...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/220068/CCTV-shows-Joanna-in-off-licence
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8759689.Joanna_Yeates_was_seen_leaving_flat_with_two_people/?ref=rss
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Why was the Flat at Canygne Road so tidy???
Who Tidied this Flat up???
7:30PM GMT 25 Dec 2010
Mr Yeates said last night that from the moment he saw his daughter's flat, he believed she had been abducted.
"We had grave concerns based on what was in the flat. We knew she had not gone of her own volition. We came to the conclusion that it was very unlikely that she would have been found alive.
"The state of the flat indicated that she'd been abducted. Jo and Greg were quite untidy and we knew she was planning on tidying up on Saturday.
"On top of that she did not respond to Greg's texts that night and they were both devoted to each other.
"Once we knew she was taken we felt that, because of the cold, she wouldn't have stood a chance."
Don't Think Dr Vincent Tabak went around tidying up!!!
This is quite Interesting actually.... If the flat is found 'TIDY"... then there are two answers to that (IMO)....
(A): She was alive on Saturday 18th December 2010...
(B): Someone other than the Yeates ... who knew Joanna Yeates she was planning to tidy the Flat up on Saturday!!....
So which one is it???
I'm sure Dr Vincent Tabak wouldn't have been privvy to that information !!!!! (IMO)...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/8225131/Despair-of-Joanna-Yeatess-father-as-body-is-found.html
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We have had different reports about the earrings that Joanna Yeates was wearing on Friday 17th December 2010..
I believe that she changed her earrings as well as her clothes:
The attack may have started in the hallway, which was found in a chaotic state. It could have continued in the bedroom: one of the earrings Yeates is thought to have been wearing was discovered beneath the duvet.
So both "Earring" are in the Flat......
Mr Reardon said that he found a pair of his girlfriend's earrings in the bedroom.
One was in the bed and the other earring was on the floor under some clothes.
So why when Dr Delaney examins her is one of her "Studs" in place ??
Her eyes were closed and one of her earring studs was in place. Red bruise marks were shown on her neck and chin.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/killer-weeps-over-images-of-joanna-yeates-body-2370602.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boyfriends-panic-over-missing-joanna-yeates-2371910.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-case-vincent-tabak
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I have previously read the report about her ear studs being in place.
Is there any evidence that she wore her amethyst earrings at all that day? She might just have left them on her bedside table, and they "found their way"into her bed and on to the floor when somebody either fought with her, or faked the scene to look as if someone had fought with her.
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I found this website.. "Police Oracal".. Which is a Police News and general website... 'm not a member so cannot access the stories properly..
But... I found an Article date 17/1/2011 which "The Sun online" had talked about a search for the "Sock"..
The interesting thing is the image... which is really tiny.. but it has two area marked on it...
(A): Where the body is found... "Which is actually Marked in the "QUARRY"
(B): where they were looking for the sock...
The reason I found it Interesting was they article by "The Sun" has disappeared off line... And it actually being on 'The Police Oracle " website.. So at this time... They were obviously happy for everyone to see that she was found "OVER" "The Wall"...
When did it become "The Grass Verge"???
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This was an earlier report about the case.... But a much latter report on the subject matter.... It is the report in relation to the Two IKEA Drivers....
The mystery of how The Sun managed to obtain its two exclusive stories was first aired on BBC Bristol's current affairs strand Points West on 25 January this year.
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The programme's home affairs correspondent, Steve Brodie, interviewed the two Ikea drivers, James Crozier and James Alexander.
Alexander said on camera: "When we first heard we had to speak to the cops - it was fine. When the press got in contact, it escalated into something - i wouldn't say paranoia but it put you on edge... I didn't go home - and stayed at girlfriend's house. It was horrible."
Crozier expressed amazement that the paper had his address. He said: "We went to see two senior detectives and told them the papers had our names and addresses. We were told they were under the impression they had been eavesdropped."
Does anyone remember seeing this Interview on TV???
The leaked information also baffled Ann Reddrop, head of the Crown Prosecution Service's complex casework unit in the south west region.
Well that has to be the statement of the century (IMO)....
If by the 17th January 2011 the News that the IKEA drivers were being questioned doesn't it mean that there movements and DNA needed to be tested ....
By JOHN COLES and ALEX PEAKE
17th January 2011, 12:00 am
TWO IKEA delivery men are set to be quizzed by cops investigating the murder
of Joanna Yeates, it was revealed yesterday.
As we can see they were set to be questioned.... 3 days before they arrest Dr Vincent Tabak.... This is why Ann Reddrop is surprised that the info is leaked.... It wouldn't fit in with her "PLANNED ARREST" of Dr Vincent Tabak..... Maybe there was someone in the Avon and Somerset Police department who was NOT happy with the way the investigation was going and spilled a few beans ...
It is not until the "Leveson Inquiry" is about to start that the report on the two Ikea drivers time of Interview changes ....
In fact, the drivers had already been interviewed as a matter of routine simply because they happened to have delivered goods to Yeates's flat some five weeks before she disappeared. Police had asked them to provide DNA samples.
Less than 48 hours after they had spoken to police, they were approached by reporters working for The Sun
So there DNA was also taken.... apparently...
It is not until 'The Leveson Inquiry" we learn that apparently it was "Greg" who told the Police about the Ikea drivers ...
Mr Colin Port
I think I can add that the allegation was that this information was only known to the police. There was information that was known to the police but it was also known to others, and if you look at the article, it says that police must have found a receipt or something in the house. Well, we didn't find a receipt. We got that information from Joanna's boyfriend and there were a number of other firms that we went to over the weekend, but it was only Ikea that became the source of a newspaper article. Despite what some have said, that did not come from the police.
It would be really useful if someone could find this TV interview with the IKEA DRIVERS....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/312830/joanna-ikea-pair-in-police-quiz/
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/mar/16/sun-joanna-yeates
http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-27-march-2012/mr-colin-port
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Found it.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8CJfgP8aU&list=PLAF81808321C944F5&index=4
watch it disappear......
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This Picture is odd.... where is it supposed to be on Longwood Lane exactly???
And who are the two civilian looking people stood there ????
There are NO trees like that where Joanna Yeates Body was supposed to have been located ....
The trees on the images where Joanna Yeates is located are very thin in comparison to the first picture..
Where abouts on Longwood Lane is that area taped off??? What piece of evidence was apparently there as it could NOT have been Joanna Yeates ???
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Question:.... How is that woman allowed to place flowers anywhere near the scene of Joanna Yeates final disposal place ???
You can clearly see the Police Vehicle there and a "Forensic" Tent in the background....
So I'll ask again.... How did that woman manage to lay FLOWERS on "Longwood Lane " ????
Another interesting point is when you go to view the page this picture came from the page no longer exists... in fact... any images that Almay did about Joanna Yeates are no longer available to view on their website.... very odd.... Very odd indeed !!
why is no-one telling her to go... why is it a "Photo" opportunity...... If you seem to have forgotten.......... "IT'S A CRIME SCENE !!!!!!!
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In this photo.. the road is blocked off..... and flowers are already there where the woman in the above post lays them....
This picture you could quite easily believe that flowers were handed to Police to put there...
But not the image of the woman placing "SAID FLOWERS"......
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These early photo's are a little strange...
(A): First image taken on 25th December 2010 Longwood Lane....
Notice the snow around the junction entrance of Longwood Lane on the verges ....
(B): Second image 26th December 2010... snow disappearing fast??
What was the day that they allowed the woman to place flowers ?????
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12079050
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341676/Missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates-We-assume-shes-dead--lives-gone-say-parents.html
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg414017#msg414017
I wanted to know where that was on Longwood lane and I believe I have located it....
It is the "Entrance" to the Quarry....
Image one... Is the image of two random people looking over some "Police Tape"...
Image Two... Is the Correct angle of the image... The Police tape goes across Longwood Lane... And the lady in the purple coat hasn't moved much...
Images three... Is two images together... which depict where the lady is standing in relation to the Forensic Tent at the entrance of the Quarry on Longwood Lane....
So what is under the "Forensic" Tent ?????
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I believe I have discovered why "Joanna Yeates was off work for 4 days prior to the 17th December 2010...
She wasn't ill if the information I have discovered is accurate..... She had taken a planned break from work I believe...
Joanna spoke her final words to her father a fortnight before Christmas, phoning to ask what he would like as a gift. A hooded training top for the gym would do nicely, he told her.
She last saw her mother around the same time, when Mrs Yeates travelled to Bristol to watch filming of the TV show Deal Or No Deal, and stayed at the Clifton flat.
A Fortnight before Christmas is around the 18th December 2010 if you are saying Christmas Day... But I think I can be more accurate than that...
Mon-3-May: Thu-25-Nov, Fri-26-Nov, Sun-28-Nov
Tue-4-May: Mon-29-Nov, Tue-30-Nov, Wed-1-Dec, Thu-2-Dec
Wed-5-May: Fri-3-Dec, Sun-5-Dec, Mon-6-Dec, Tue-7-Dec
Thu-6-May: Wed-8-Dec, Thu-9-Dec, Fri-10-Dec, Sun-12-Dec
Fri-7-May: Mon-13-Dec, Tue-14-Dec, Wed-15-Dec
These are the scheduling for deal or no deal 2010.... So about a fortnight before Christmas would Make it from "Monday 13th December 2010 to Wednesday 15th December 2010..
Makes it the week that Theresa Yeates stayed with her daughter Joanna Yeates at her Flat in Canygne Road... And the reason Joanna Yeates was away from work for 4 days ..(IMO)..
Also understanding why Mrs Yeates was so sure her daughter had been abducted, because maybe there were things still around the flat that were there when she had stayed....
Brings to mind something else Mrs Yeates said in an Interview about the washing up still being in the sink... Had that been there since she had last been there days earlier ...... Maybe it was too tidy??
How many days did Mrs Yeates stay at the flat... ??
Did she leave on the 16th December 2010? And Joanna Yeates returned to work on the 17th December 2010???
Is this the reason that Joanna Yeates Death is recorded between the 16th December 2010 and the 25th December 2010... because Mrs Yeates could verify that she last saw her daughter then ????
Maybe Joanna Yeates printed her mince pie recipe off whilst her mum visited??
And when Mrs Yeates text Joanna Yeates that weekend... she probably wasn't too worried as she had just recently seen her daughter and maybe the message was quite Innocuous and didn't need a response ....
http://www.dond.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21502&view=previous
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html#ixzz4lJTH6A57
EDIT.... I've made a complete Error with the dates... So I apologise for my inaccuracy... But will leave the post...
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A fortnight before Christmas is 11th December, the recording referred to would have been on 10th or 12th December 2010. I don't believe Joanna was off work for more than one day (Thursday 16th December 2010). I don't think you can deduce that Mrs Yeates stayed in Clifton for such a long time, but your arguments would still be valid.
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A fortnight before Christmas is 11th December, the recording referred to would have been on 10th or 12th December 2010. I don't believe Joanna was off work for more than one day (Thursday 16th December 2010). I don't think you can deduce that Mrs Yeates stayed in Clifton for such a long time, but your arguments would still be valid.
Thanks for that clarification leonora... you are correct... a fortnight before is at that time and Deal or No deal was recording at that time... which would be around the 12th December 2010...
I retract my inaccuracy....
I until today... alway thought that Joanna mum had stayed with her for a fortnight... can't remember where I saw that info.... So it's irrelevant if I cannot substanciate it....
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Found it.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8CJfgP8aU&list=PLAF81808321C944F5&index=4
watch it disappear......
AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/
NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org
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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/
NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org
Hi Robo and welcome... don't worry about when you arrive all contributions welcome ...
I will look... at your book... And I agree... about the charge... The whole case is mental... makes No sense whatso ever.... I get sent to distraction the more I look at this case....Dr Vincent Tabak has been treated unfairly... anyone who, has legal status must be able to see that...
please tell us more ....
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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/
NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org
Sally Ramage Papers have been a god send...... I hope she doesn't mind that I quote from them regularly... This Case is wrong on all levels... And I have no knowledge of the law... But anyone can see that using simple logic and common sense... please stay with us Robo and Contribute as much as you can 8)-)))
Edit.....Well as we know it's impossible to "Murder" someone over 3 days.... Have you talked to anyone about This particular point of the amount of Days Dr Vincent Tabak took to Murder Joanna Yeates ??
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AM VERY SORRY TO DIP IN SO LATE IN THE CENVERSATION BUT I DID WRITE A BOOK ABOUT R V VINCENT TABAK - which is free to download from www.philpapers.org/
NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THE THE CHARGE AND THE CONVICTION WHERE THAT HE MURDERED HER BETWEEN FRIDAY EVENING TO SUNDAY EVENING. THAT WAS THE CHARGE. THAT WA THE CONVICTION. SALLY RAMAGE at PhilPapers.org
I had to come back to this .... because I originally remember the charge being between the 16th and 26th December 2010
The clerk then read out the murder charge, which is alleged to have taken place between December 16 and December 26.
Then this peeked my interest...
Tabak then sat down and prosecutor Ann Reddrop stood up.
"My application today is to send this defendant to the Crown Court and the timetable so far sets out a preliminary hearing next Monday, which is January 31," she told the magistrates.
"There is a slot available tomorrow, should the defendant wish to apply for bail, as you now appreciate you are not able to deal with that matter.
"So my application today is to remand this defendant in custody and for him next to appear next Monday, if not sooner."
The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.
How would they be ready to Plan a case management hearing for 'April 29th 2011" when they had no evidence whatsoever against Dr Vincent Tabak.... he hadn't spoken at this point.... No bail had been applied for... Wouldn't this information be bashed out at a different time in court ????
Say at least after the Defendant had applied for Bail.... Or the defendants Lawyers had seen all the evidence ????
How did Ann Reddropp fix the Plea and management case hearing so soon ??? when nothing was determined as to Dr Vincent tabak's Guilt??? Nothing was determined as to how Joanna Yeates had died supposidly at the hands of Dr Vincent Tabak....
Edit....
He was remanded in custody for a week to appear next at Bristol Crown Court on the murder charge.
Again... No explanation about his Bail... So from that quote i take it his "Bail Hearing' should have been at "Bristol Crown court".... Again I ask... Why/HOW can they set a date for A Plea And management Case hearing at A Magistrates Court
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
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Did Ann Reddrop fill out one of these forms ??
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/docs/2011/crim-pr-form-part3-pcmh-revised-aug-2011.pdf
Ann Redropp had how long to decide and apply for "A Plea and Case management Hearing"... ?? They had only brought Dr Vincent Tabak to Court to officially charge him... Yet Ann Reddropp has "The Plea and Case management hearing forms".... In The Bag.... How is that possible ???
"So my application today is to remand this defendant in custody and for him next to appear next Monday, if not sooner."
The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
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Lets not forget... when changed to The Old Bailey... It was to be for.... 'For Mention" hearing....
Is this the reason that the changes happened ... Dr Vincent Tabak refused to talk... therefore "NO" Plea and management Case hearing could be held ??
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Lets really think about this:....
Dr Vincent Tabak is arrested on Thursday 20th January 2011
Dr Vincent Tabak is charged on Saturday the 22nd January 2011
That leaves Sunday the 23rd January 2011 for Dr Vincent Tabak to twiddle his Thumbs and for Ann Reddropp to make an application for A plea and Management Hearing to be heard on the 29th April 2011 before
Dr Vincent Tabak makes his first appearance in court on Monday 24th January 2011 to hear Ann Reddropp say she has already planned his 'Plea and Management Case hearing... for 29th April 2011...
How is that possible????
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
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I'll keep asking..... what did they do to The Placid Dutchman???? Ann Reddrop freely admits they planned Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest... what else did Ann Reddrop Head of the Complex Crime Unit Plan ???
How would Ann Reddrop know by Monday 24th January 2011 that Dr Vincent Tabak was going to be charged with the Murder of Joanna yeates... to be so prepared we have the date of the 29th April 2011 for A Plea and Case management hearing??
This has to be applied well before Dr Vincent Tabak appears in court... And I'm sure they are not working the weekend to process such forms....
So what made her so confident that she could say in court that there was going to be A Plea And management Case Hearing on the 29th April 2011
Edit.... Shouldn't it be The Magistrates job just decide on Bail?? Rather than imposing dates as to when "The Plea and Case Management hearing should be ???
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Another thing to check
Also present in the dock was a female interpreter, who swore an oath before Tabak was brought into court.
Did everyone see this interpreter??
Maybe there is information somewhere as to the name of this Interpreter having sworn on oath!!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
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I now think the question is:
What special dispensations are given to The Complex Crime Unit in regards to dealing with cases, that differ from your run of the Mill Crime ???
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Lets just educate ourselves.....
1. What magistrates do
Magistrates are volunteers who hear cases in courts in their community.
Each case is usually heard by 3 magistrates, including a magistrate who is trained to act as a chairperson.
What was that???? Volunteers??
So how does a Volunteer decide on whether a Plea And case management hearing will take place??
OMG.... I knew I should have turned left to the NVQ's.... I could have been a Magistrate ....
2. Can you be a magistrate?
You need to give up some of your spare time and not everyone can serve as a magistrate.
Qualifications
You don’t need formal qualifications or legal training to become a magistrate.
You will get full training for the role, and a legal adviser in court will help you with questions about the law.
Who advised The Magistrate on The Plea and Case Management Hearing ??
https://www.gov.uk/become-magistrate/can-you-be-a-magistrate
https://www.gov.uk/become-magistrate/what-magistrates-do
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This is bugging me .... How can it already be "FIXED" for the 29th April 2011.. when it is Dr vincent tabak's first appearance in court????
The court was told that a date for the plea and case management hearing has been fixed for April 29.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
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Also.... If A Plea management Case Hearing date is Fixed..... Shouldn't The Judge who deals with the case already be fixed too??
DESIGNATION OF THE TRIAL JUDGE
(i) The assignment of a judge
In any complex case which is expected to last more than four weeks, the trial judge will be assigned under the direction of the Presiding Judges at the earliest possible moment.
Thereafter the assigned judge should manage that case “from cradle to grave”; it is essential that the same judge manages the case from the time of his assignment and that arrangements are made for him to be able to do so. It is recognised that in certain court centres with a large turnover of heavy cases (e.g. Southwark) this objective is more difficult to achieve. But in those court centres there are teams of specialist judges, who are more readily able to handle cases which the assigned judge cannot continue with because of unexpected events; even at such courts, there must be no exception to the principle that one judge must handle all the pre-trial hearings until the case is assigned to another judge.
But Dr Vincent tabak did NOT have the same Judge from Cradle to Grave !!!!!
So which Judge heard all the "Pre Trial Hearing"??? Before we get the Introduction of Judge Field ????
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/pd-protocol/pd_protocol
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Also.... If A Plea management Case Hearing date is Fixed..... Shouldn't The Judge who deals with the case already be fixed too??
But Dr Vincent tabak did NOT have the same Judge from Cradle to Grave !!!!!
So which Judge heard all the "Pre Trial Hearing"??? Before we get the Introduction of Judge Field ????
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/pd-protocol/pd_protocol
The judge at the first two Crown Court hearings was Colman Treacy. Two other judges presided over two hearings in September.
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The judge at the first two Crown Court hearings was Colman Treacy. Two other judges presided over two hearings in September.
How does that even work leonora???? Doesn't the team of Judges preside before the final Judge is allocated to the case ????
But in those court centres there are teams of specialist judges, who are more readily able to handle cases which the assigned judge cannot continue with because of unexpected events; even at such courts, there must be no exception to the principle that one judge must handle all the pre-trial hearings until the case is assigned to another judge.
Not after the defendant apparently Pled Guilty
leonora help me here..... What the beep beep beep.... Happened To Dr Vincent Tabak...
Every procedure seems to have been flouted ..... (IMO).... This gets worse the more I look at it... It is horrendous..
I in no way believe that Dr Vincent Tabak offered a voluntary plea of Guilty to Manslaughter knowing what I have thus found out....
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/pd-protocol/pd_protocol
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Another thing to check
Did everyone see this interpreter??
Maybe there is information somewhere as to the name of this Interpreter having sworn on oath!!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-vincent-tabak-in-court-174288
The interpreter may have been so excited that she tripped on the steps up to the dock and uttered some expletives that were transmitted by the sound system. However, it is more probable that she was asked to take an oath that she would interpret truthfully and without embroidering. She was probably a certificated interpreter authorised to interpret in legal proceedings and translate documents for use in court, so her fees were probably paid in gold & silver rather than in base metal.
The proceedings of the magistrates court would probably have recorded the name of the interpreter.
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This case is "MENTAL"...... My heads about to explode !!!!
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Someone say something about 'The Plea And Case Management Hearing" being given a date at a Magistrates Court... Please....
There plenty of you looking at this thread today.... Please speak....
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The judge at the first two Crown Court hearings was Colman Treacy. Two other judges presided over two hearings in September.
Well leonora.....
The Big Fat Question is???
What was this case really about... to have so many people involved in what really was "A Simple Murder Case.... And NOT The Complex Crime Ann Reddrop has us believe by her involvement in this case... What were they trying to HIDE??????
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The first hearing for the giving of initial directions
* At the first opportunity the assigned judge should hold a short hearing to give initial directions. The directions on
this occasion might well include:
* That there should be a full case management hearing on, or commencing on, a specified future date by which
time the parties will be properly prepared for a meaningful hearing and the defence will have full instructions.
* That the prosecution should provide an outline written statement of the prosecution case at least one week in
advance of that case management hearing, outlining in simple terms:
* The key facts on which it relies.
* The key evidence by which the prosecution seeks to prove the facts.
* The statement must be sufficient to permit the judge to understand the case and for the defence to appreciate
the basic elements of its case against each defendant. The prosecution may be invited to highlight the key points
of the case orally at the case management hearing by way of a short mini-opening. The outline statement should
not be considered binding, but it will serve the essential purpose in telling the judge, and everyone else, what the
case is really about and identifying the key issues.
* That a core reading list and core bundle for the case management hearing should be delivered at least one week
in advance.
Preliminary directions about disclosure: see paragraph 4.
So if they followed protocol.... No Mention of a Plea And management Hearing should have been mentioned at A Magistrates Court....
They would need a preliminary Hearing with The Judge of The Case to even put forward anything about A Plea And Case management Hearing....
If Ann Reddrop said in court that the date had been fixed for 29th April 2011 for A Plea and Case Management Hearing... Which Judge did she speak to????
Which Judge even got A look at this Case in 2 days ????
Ann explain to me please how this works ?????
Is this the more likely reason that Paul Cook did A runner ????? (IMO)....
Dr Vincent Tabak has only been charged on the Saturday 22nd January 2011... This is 2 days later ???? How does that work????
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/pd-protocol/pd_protocol
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Someone say something about 'The Plea And Case Management Hearing" being given a date at a Magistrates Court... Please....
There plenty of you looking at this thread today.... Please speak....
Like the prisoner charged with an offence, we have the right to remain silent!
I imagine that Anne Reddrop, in her role as public prosecutor, had the authority to propose a timetable, so that the defence could object to it in the magistrates court. What is more important is that the court should have had the authority to listen to a bail application. If the magistrate was not authorised to do this, then Vincent Tabak should have been brought at once before a court that did have the necessary authority to grant bail. We know that Ann Reddrop did have evidence that Joanna's death was murder, and that the evidence she claimed to have pointing to Vincent Tabak as the perpetrator was as derisory as that against Christopher Jefferies had been. This evidence should have been heard in a court competent to decide to release him on bail until such time as he decided to plead guilty, or more substantial evidence was found, or the CPS decided to drop the charge.
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Like the prisoner charged with an offence, we have the right to remain silent!
I imagine that Anne Reddrop, in her role as public prosecutor, had the authority to propose a timetable, so that the defence could object to it in the magistrates court. What is more important is that the court should have had the authority to listen to a bail application. If the magistrate was not authorised to do this, then Vincent Tabak should have been brought at once before a court that did have the necessary authority to grant bail. We know that Ann Reddrop did have evidence that Joanna's death was murder, and that the evidence she claimed to have pointing to Vincent Tabak as the perpetrator was as derisory as that against Christopher Jefferies had been. This evidence should have been heard in a court competent to decide to release him on bail until such time as he decided to plead guilty, or more substantial evidence was found, or the CPS decided to drop the charge.
I Imagine that Ann Reddrop had NO EVIDENCE AGAINST DR VINCENT TABAK WHATSOEVER,.. when he appeared in court on the 24th January 2011...
It takes until they have the charade that is 'The Old Bailey Hearing in special court room 2... To get a Plea... Then they cobble a case together with "The Searches" from the Internet which have no value whatsoever....
Ok... If Ann's only Evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak... Is A Partial DNA sample..... and what ??? to get to charge ????
They cannot possibly have Translated Dr Vincent Tabak's Laptops by now..... Remember they would have needed a warrant to get access to Buro Happold laptops... Do you think Buro Happold immediatly gave them access to their computers on them arresting Dr Vincent Tabak??
I would say NO.... They'd already messed up with the landlord... So where did Ann get her Information against Dr Vincent Tabak on the 24th January 2011... To even state there would be a Plea and Management Hearing... on the 29th April 2011
A Plea to what exactly ANN!!!!
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Ok.... How does the song go.....
It's Just A little Bit of History repeating....
Now Ann....
Question....... did you think you could use the same trick again????? Well let me put this quote of yours to you first... Then I'll ask...
"The irony is that four of the defendants used the internet to pursue their criminal behaviour - but the police and I have used the internet to develop the cases against them."
The words of crown prosecutor Ann Reddrop, who was speaking outside Winchester Crown Court
Now Ann.... Don't be shy now..... Is this what you did to Dr Vincent Tabak ???? Answers on a postcard will not surfice I'm afraid.... I'd like a TV Interview please ....
The Irony is Ann "I" used The Internet to uncover what went on and the appauling treatment of Dr Vincent Tabak....(IMO)..
Was this a tried and tested theory when you came to Dr Vincent Tabak Ann???
Did you Know that you could use the Internet in such a way that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't stand a chance as you Manipulated The Law (IMO) .. to bring him to trial and have him jailed ?.... This is of course my opinion Ann...
Did you clap like a seal with glee when you decided to use "The Searches" Ann??
I can hear the noises right now..... Do you want a Kipper Ann??? Or would an Ormer do you Ann??? They are extremely delicious.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11569283
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Ok.... How does the song go.....
It's Just A little Bit of History repeating....
Now Ann....
Question....... did you think you could use the same trick again????? Well let me put this quote of yours to you first... Then I'll ask...
Now Ann.... Don't be shy now..... Is this what you did to Dr Vincent Tabak ???? Answers on a postcard will not surfice I'm afraid.... I'd like a TV Interview please ....
The Irony is Ann "I" used The Internet to uncover what went on and the appauling treatment of Dr Vincent Tabak....(IMO)..
Was this a tried and tested theory when you came to Dr Vincent Tabak Ann???
Did you Know that you could use the Internet in such a way that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't stand a chance as you Manipulated The Law (IMO) .. to bring him to trial and have him jailed ?.... This is of course my opinion Ann...
Did you clap like a seal with glee when you decided to use "The Searches" Ann??
I can hear the noises right now..... Do you want a Kipper Ann??? Or would an Ormer do you Ann??? They are extremely delicious.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11569283
Ok Ann..... When you went to Bristol magistrates Court Did you have sufficient Evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak??
Was this case against Dr Vincent Tabak made purely on "The Searches Ann??
When did you decide that you could use the INTERNET against Dr Vincent Tabak as you had done in your previous BIG Case ????
How much assistance did Avon and Somerset Police give ANN ???
Lets go back to the beinging Ann....
When you said I believe.... That it was late December 2010 That you were approached by The CPS... which lead to the planned arrest of Dr Vincent Tabak.....
You couldn't have searched Dr Vincent Tabak's computer by this time Ann.... Because apparentley according to the 566 timelines from the 1300 page document that The Prosecution brought to trial... Dr Vincent Tabak was using his laptop up and until about 1 week before his arrest......
So.... Was it the searches... which I for one moment do not believe belong to Dr Vincent Tabak.... Was it the searches that you thought would do the trick.... because lets face it Ann... You brought NO EVIDENCE to trial to substanciate that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates .....
You had.... "The Manslaughter Plea" from the other odd hearing at court room 2 of The Old Bailey.. which is for special cases Ann... Not only that you managed to get it listed twice for two different types of hearings at 2 different court rooms on the same day at the same time at The Old Bailey.....
And Ann... lets not forget this "Manslaughter Plea".... A manslaughter Plea that wasn't entered into as being either 'Voluntary" or "Involuntary"... But that wasn't until May 2011.......
Now.... That has to be an achievement in itself.... (IMO).....
So someone help here before I start banging my head against the wall..... How is this all possible ??????
Edit.... Oh yes Ann I forgot to ask..... Was it Direct Intent or Oblique Intent on Dr Vincent Tabak Intention to kill Joanna Yeates ..... ??
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I Imagine that Ann Reddrop had NO EVIDENCE AGAINST DR VINCENT TABAK WHATSOEVER,.. when he appeared in court on the 24th January 2011...
It takes until they have the charade that is 'The Old Bailey Hearing in special court room 2... To get a Plea... Then they cobble a case together with "The Searches" from the Internet which have no value whatsoever....
Ok... If Ann's only Evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak... Is A Partial DNA sample..... and what ??? to get to charge ????
They cannot possibly have Translated Dr Vincent Tabak's Laptops by now..... Remember they would have needed a warrant to get access to Buro Happold laptops... Do you think Buro Happold immediatly gave them access to their computers on them arresting Dr Vincent Tabak??
I would say NO.... They'd already messed up with the landlord... So where did Ann get her Information against Dr Vincent Tabak on the 24th January 2011... To even state there would be a Plea and Management Hearing... on the 29th April 2011
A Plea to what exactly ANN!!!!
The police must have produced some evidence on which to charge Vincent Tabak and bring him before the magistrate - evidence which his own solicitor couldn't reject straightaway. We know what that evidence must have been:
1. The DNA on the body.
2. The fibres on the body - which in principle could have been matched to his black coat after he had been arrested and his lodgings ransacked.
3. The blood stains on the Renault Megane - which in principle could have been detected after he had been arrested and the vehicle examined by forensic scientists.
4. Various video clips from CCTV that were also shown at the trial.
The police wouldn't have used the tip-off from the crying girl, as she didn't exist, so that would have breached his human rights. They probably wouldn't even have attempted to produce any results from his laptop at that stage.
The police WOULD have pointed out that he was at the alleged scene without an alibi at the time they would claim the crime was committed.
We know that Mr Clegg could have demolished all this evidence in court if he had chosen to, and the mystery of the century is why he chose not to, and why his client endorsed him.
Why did Paul Cook do a runner? We can only speculate. My guesses are (1) evidence emerged that Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates had been romantically involved, and/or (2) Paul Cook was told to persuade his client to plead guilty.
I agree that Ann Reddrop was out of order in proposing a timetable for the plea & case management hearing in a court without the authority to consider it. Why did Paul Cook not tell her so?
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The police must have produced some evidence on which to charge Vincent Tabak and bring him before the magistrate - evidence which his own solicitor couldn't reject straightaway. We know what that evidence must have been:
1. The DNA on the body.
2. The fibres on the body - which in principle could have been matched to his black coat after he had been arrested and his lodgings ransacked.
3. The blood stains on the Renault Megane - which in principle could have been detected after he had been arrested and the vehicle examined by forensic scientists.
4. Various video clips from CCTV that were also shown at the trial.
The police wouldn't have used the tip-off from the crying girl, as she didn't exist, so that would have breached his human rights. They probably wouldn't even have attempted to produce any results from his laptop at that stage.
The police WOULD have pointed out that he was at the alleged scene without an alibi at the time they would claim the crime was committed.
We know that Mr Clegg could have demolished all this evidence in court if he had chosen to, and the mystery of the century is why he chose not to, and why his client endorsed him.
Why did Paul Cook do a runner? We can only speculate. My guesses are (1) evidence emerged that Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates had been romantically involved, and/or (2) Paul Cook was told to persuade his client to plead guilty.
I agree that Ann Reddrop was out of order in proposing a timetable for the plea & case management hearing in a court without the authority to consider it. Why did Paul Cook not tell her so?
The Elephants at it again......
They would not of had any of the above before they came to arrest him originally......
No Blood Stain In No Car that they hadn't tested !!!
No Fibres From No Coat That they hadn't tested
Partial DNA
No CCTV of Dr Vincent Tabak shopping.... How at this point would they be sure he had killed her on Friday 17th December 2010... If they hadn't already searched his laptop and phone records or even emails to place him at certain locations???? To know that apparently he had looked up Longwood Lane before the day she was found....
What on Earth did they arrest him on?????????
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"All this" is what the police and Ann Reddrop would have had by the time they all trouped into Bristol Mags. They wouldn't even have had to work during the weekend, and they'd have got the CCTV footage from Asda by then too, as he had told them about that excursion at Schiphol.
We know it is all fake, though I have been thinking that perhaps the pizza was introduced for no other reason than to justify the alleged online searches for rubbish collection dates - but that the undisclosed objects were not pizza cartons, as we fondly believed, but used condoms. Where do you discard your used condoms? Not in the WC, I hope? Did our serial killer pretend to be a dustman, and collect the rubbish from 44 Canynge Road to retrieve used condoms from it, before committing murdering his victim? Did Detective Superintendant Mark Saunder and DC Gareth Bevan suspect this?
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From Channel 4 News..
A 32 year old man suspected of murdering the bristol arcitect Joanna Yeates is being questioned by Police for a third day. It's thought the man being held is Vincent Tabak who lived in the flat next door to miss Yeates...
Live now to our correspondant darshna soni.. "Darshna:"
(Darshna speaks): Well we're expecting an announcement on this story from Avon and Somerset Police, very very shortly krishnan. We understand that detectives have less than an hour left to question Vincent Tabak, and so we are expecting to hear from the very very shortly..
They are using the time that they do have left not just to question their suspect but also to continue gathering evidence. So throughout today we have seen officers here at the flat he lived next door to Joanna Yeates, we,ve seen officers going in and out collecting evidence. Today we saw Forensic teams in there they were coming out of the flat with big bags of belongings , they were carrying items from the flat in big brown bags, putting them into a car and taking them away.
(Krishna) Vincent Tabak's family have been speaking today..
(Darshna) Yes that's right, he is originally from Holland and he has siblings who still live there and his sister and his brother have been speaking to reporters there, and they told reporters that they believe, he is innocent, they say that he is a hard working Intelligent young man , we know that he as a PHD, is very well thought of in his field of work.
And his family have been defending him, they haven't wanted to come on camera, but they have spoken to reporters. Mr Tabak also has a number of friends here in Bristol and Bath where he settled 3 years ago. His friends have also rallyed round him, they have not wished to have come on camera, but they have also spoken of an Intelligent highly regarded young man. Who they say is very well liked by his colleagues.
Now he lived here in this flat next door to Joanna Yeates who went missing the week before christmas.. Her body was found on Christmas Day 3 miles from here . Mr Tabak's flat as I say is still being searched. We understand that his girlfriend who he lived with has also been speaking to Avon and Somerset Police. But that is routine in and investigation like this , you would expect that.
Now as I say we believe they have less than an hour left to question there suspect, so we should be getting an announcement very very shortly.
(Krishna) Darshna Soni in Bristol
Oh I love a transcript.... Stops those little clips disappearing.... (IMO)...
This report is confusing and Interesting all in the same breath... I'm like WOW... she gives us information she doesn't realise... But it's extremely helpful....
The extension that Avon and Somerset Police must have had was only 36 hours..... !!! I say this by simple calculations...
Channel 4 News airs at around 7:00pm
The report is on Saturday the 22nd January 2011.... 36 hours before that is 7:00am on Thursday 20th January 2011... This is massively important .... (IMO)...
2. How long you can be held in custody
The police can hold you for up to 24 hours before they have to charge you with a crime or release you.
They can apply to hold you for up to 36 or 96 hours if you’re suspected of a serious crime, eg murder.
You can be held without charge for up to 14 days If you’re arrested under the Terrorism Act.
It would go with my theory that they originally charged him under "Joint Enterprise" or "Secondary Party"... My reason for this would be that they could have applied for an extension of 96 hours if it was 'Murder" !!! So why didn't they get that extention????
"They can still confidentley tell the press that they have "Charged Dr Vincent Tabak with Murder, they wouldn't be telling an untruth... By leaving out the possibility that it was 'Joint Enterprise" or " Secondary Party"...
At the time of the report... they are still scrabbling around for evidence... 'The Laptops have "NOT" come into play by this point ....(IMO)...
They literally have an hour left to charge with what evidence???? The supposed partial DNA... And the Dr Vincent Tabak knowing that the car changed position.... (I am NOT BLAMING CJ) you need to remember what the Police had been saying at the time !!!! And I believe that Dr Vincent Tabak had also assited in moving CJ's car off the drive...
So... what was Dr Vincent Tabak Originally Charged under !!!!! Or should I emphasise was it as a Second Party to a Crime!! Therefore not allowing Avon and Somerset Police to apply for a 96 hour extension For Murder !!!!
Remember what the reporter repeats ... Now as I say we believe they have less than an hour left to question there suspect, so we should be getting an announcement very very shortly.
(Krishna) Darshna Soni in Bristol
So a 36 hour extension it is then..... !!!!
NB:... Custody could mean from the moment he's in hand cuffs or Police staiton.. that's were the hour is.... (IMO)..
Edit.... How many hours did they originally hold CJ for .... I'm sure it's around 60 but I can't find my old post... (Again... I am not implying anything about CJ... Only the Polices behaviour towards him)...
https://www.channel4.com/news/yeates-murder-police-hold-neighbour-for-questioning
https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights/how-long-you-can-be-held-in-custody
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Just an understanding of A defendant and their comprehension of 'Joint Enterprise"..
“I hadn’t heard of joint enterprise at all before, even at the trial I didn’t believe that you could get put in prison for a crime if you didn’t do it,” Conteh says. When he arrived in prison he started asking around about the law. “A lot of people in here were done under joint enterprise,” he explains, glancing round the room, “it seems like a really corrupt system.”
Did they use the Joint Enterprise Law to confuse a Dutch National ????
https://www.opendemocracy.net/shinealight/maeve-mcclenaghan/guilty-of-choosing-wrong-friends-relentless-injustice-of-joint-enterpr
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg416977#msg416977
ok... when do they actually charge him ?????
Detectives had until late last night to charge or release Mr Tabak or to apply for an extension to his custody. If they used their full 96 hours permitted in law to question him, he would have to be charged or released by early tomorrow morning.
We believe we know they didn't apply for a 96 hour extension... That quote is reported at 9:00pm 22nd January 2011...
So at what time did Dr Vincent Tabak actually get charged with Murder????
Avon and Somerset Police said Dutch national Vincent Tabak, 32, who was arrested on Thursday, will appear at Bristol Magistrates' Court on Monday.
Now this report on the 22nd January 2011 doesn't actually say that Dr Vincent Tabak has been charged with murder...!!
Now I found that report from a tweet which was posted at Richard Irons
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BBC News - Police charge Vincent Tabak with Jo Yeates murder http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12257299
1:57 PM - 22 Jan 2011
We know he wasn't charged that early on in the day... so... when was he charged ??? This dude who posts joined in January 2011.....I checked him out for time accuracy and in 2010 he lived in Nottingham and still does, he worked for Romax Technology.... so it has to be British time he's tweeting...(Just like to cover my bases).. ... ... Anyway.... moving on....
I cannot seem to find the exact hour Dr Vincent Tabak was charged on Saturday the 22nd January 2011....
It's not until the 23rd January that the papers report that he was charged on the Saturday night....
Detectives questioned the former PhD student for three days before announcing he had been charged with her murder on Saturday night.
From the same paper..... Vincent Tabak, 32, a Dutch national, who lived next door to Miss Yeates in the Clifton area of Bristol, will appear before the city’s Magistrates Court on Monday charged with murdering the 25-year-old landscape architect.
Now I have a question..... How could the BBC news report some hours earlier being at 1:57pm according to British Man's tweet and link.... That Dr Vincent Tabak was going to appear at Bristol Magistrates court on Monday the 24th January 2011.... Not only that but they report at 1:57pm ... that he has been charged ....
A man has been charged with murdering landscape architect Jo Yeates.
If the tweet hadn't linked and given us a time we would only know the date ..... But we have the tweet... at 1:57pm on Saturday 22nd January 2011...
Thing with tweets... you cannot change them... so the tweet time has to be accurate....
Again my question is... At what time on Saturday the 22nd January 2011... did they charge Dr Vincent tabak, with Murder???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8277113/Joanna-Yeates-parents-want-to-see-suspect-Vincent-Tabak.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12257299
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8276162/Jo-Yeates-did-not-know-Vincent-Tabak-says-her-father.html
https://twitter.com/rirons11
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I'm going to put the whole article here as it may disappear but also for ease of access for future reference; And there are plenty of interesting points there to read...
There are plenty of questions to be asked from this Article ... Not least The Private CCTV Footage.. But we also have , the talk of the Christmas Tree.. Greg and Joanna first Holiday... His Graduation from manchester Uni and plenty more.. I hope people don't mind... I think leonora may find the CCTV interesting...
December 23 2010, 10:43am,
The Times
Detectives scour CCTV for missing architect clues
Detectives probing the disappearance of the architect Joanna Yeates have obtained private CCTV footage of activity in her street on the night she went missing. Meanwhile, her parents prepared to make a fresh appeal for information today.
Miss Yeates, 25, went missing after a Christmas drink with colleagues in Bristol city centre pub last Friday.
Her boyfriend, Greg Reardon, also an architect, reported her missing on Sunday after returning to their Clifton flat to find it empty, although Miss Yeates had left behind her keys, purse and coat.
Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “We had someone contact us who had some private CCTV which actually shows Canynge Road [where the flat is located] and the thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
“We’d really like to get hold of any of those people because if anyone was in that street ... even if you didn’t think you saw anything ... please contact us as we’d really like to speak to you. You might be able to help us.
Detectives probing the disappearance of the architect Joanna Yeates have obtained private CCTV footage of activity in her street on the night she went missing. Meanwhile, her parents prepared to make a fresh appeal for information today.
Miss Yeates, 25, went missing after a Christmas drink with colleagues in Bristol city centre pub last Friday.
Her boyfriend, Greg Reardon, also an architect, reported her missing on Sunday after returning to their Clifton flat to find it empty, although Miss Yeates had left behind her keys, purse and coat.
Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “We had someone contact us who had some private CCTV which actually shows Canynge Road [where the flat is located] and the thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
“We’d really like to get hold of any of those people because if anyone was in that street ... even if you didn’t think you saw anything ... please contact us as we’d really like to speak to you. You might be able to help us.
Detectives probing the disappearance of the architect Joanna Yeates have obtained private CCTV footage of activity in her street on the night she went missing. Meanwhile, her parents prepared to make a fresh appeal for information today.
Miss Yeates, 25, went missing after a Christmas drink with colleagues in Bristol city centre pub last Friday.
Her boyfriend, Greg Reardon, also an architect, reported her missing on Sunday after returning to their Clifton flat to find it empty, although Miss Yeates had left behind her keys, purse and coat.
Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “We had someone contact us who had some private CCTV which actually shows Canynge Road [where the flat is located] and the thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
“We’d really like to get hold of any of those people because if anyone was in that street ... even if you didn’t think you saw anything ... please contact us as we’d really like to speak to you. You might be able to help us.resumed today.
Miss Yeates grew up in Romsey, Hampshire, and studied art, biology and geography at college in Winchester. She graduated from the University of Gloucestershire with a 2:1.
She went on to gain a masters in garden design at Bristol University, a course which Mr Reardon said she “absolutely blitzed and got a distinction”. She was described as an outdoor sports enthusiast who enjoyed biking, surfing and rowing.
Mr Reardon, a graduate of Manchester School of Architecture, said: “We were both really happy in our jobs, we worked together and that’s how we met. Things were set for us.
“A big moment in our relationship was early on when the two of us went to the Isle of Wight music festival. It went so well that we knew it was something special.
“This summer we borrowed Jo’s mum’s campervan and went on a week-long tour of Cornwall. We are both really into surfing and had an absolutely amazing holiday. We visited the Eden Project and spent most days surfing on the beaches together.“She was really looking forward to Christmas. We had put up a tree and she was due to bake some mince pies.
“I’m constantly on the internet trying to raise awareness on Facebook and some of her friends from back home in Hampshire have even come up to Bristol to put up missing posters.
“Jo was a very conscientious worker, she takes a lot of pride in her work. She’s a really, really friendly girl, who makes friends with everyone.”
Her father added: ““The last time I saw her was at her postgraduate course ceremony in November. She didn’t have a ceremony when she graduated from university so I was overwhelmed when I finally got to see her in her hat and gown. I tried to tell her how proud I was but the words got choked up.
“She means the world to us. She’s a very special girl and we’ve been distraught ever since she went missing. Time has no meaning and we just want our girl back.”
Her mother, Theresa, 58, a Waitrose supermarket cashier, said: “The last time I saw Jo was a couple of weeks ago when I went up to Bristol to watch the filming of Deal or No Deal.
“We were looking forward to having her and Greg home for Christmas and their presents are still sitting under the tree. We just want her home. We just feel numb. The only thing we notice is when night turns into day.”
After Christmas the couple were planning to celebrate Hogmanay in Scotland with friends.
Rebecca Scott, Miss Yeates’s colleague and friend, is believed to be the last person to have spoken to her. “We spoke for about 15 minutes, and she was totally normal,” she said.
“All the police’s normal missing persons scenarios have come to a dead end. She’s just not the sort of person to go missing.
“Jo is not one to hide her feelings. If there’s something bothering her, she will say. Jo is really outgoing. She was a very, very popular girl and she’s done very well for herself.”
Police have asked that anyone with information about Miss Yeates’s whereabouts should contact the Operation Braid incident room on 0845 456 7000 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/detectives-scour-cctv-for-missing-architect-clues-r2j57r8l633
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I believe the man who had the CCTV was called Mr Kingman, or Professor Kingman. He lives a few doors down from no 44.
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Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “We had someone contact us who had some private CCTV which actually shows Canynge Road [where the flat is located] and the thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
This is really important... It would show CJ arriving home.. Maybe it would show who left from her little Gate... It is obviously an extremely busy night...
But The Police as far as I am aware did not locate all of the individuals whom where in the footage... and never appealed for anyone who was on Canygne Road on that evening to come forward... apart from in this article which is really half hearted and doesn't make sense ...
Firstly he says : Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders said: “We had someone contact us who had some private CCTV which actually shows Canynge Road [where the flat is located] and the thing for me is that you can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
Then....
“We’d really like to get hold of any of those people because if anyone was in that street ... even if you didn’t think you saw anything ... please contact us as we’d really like to speak to you. You might be able to help us.resumed today.
This is the only time I know that they have appealed for people in Canygne Road... Notice he also wants to know about The Friday night Saturday Morning.....
You have video I presume of the whole of that weekend up and including or surpassing When her Boyfriend reports her "MISSING....... So why at this early stage is DS Mark Saunders already concentrating on Friday Night and The early hours of Saturday Morning... when she was at this point supposed to be a "MISSING" Person....
There are huge issues with this CCTV footage never seeing the light of day... and even later reports saying that the footage was deleted by the owner.....
Going back to the second witness statement... They must have noticed people maybe leaving 44 Canygne Road.. even if the do not see the little gate... They would see people walking... They would see CJ arriving home... they also would know whether or not CJ left in the earlier hours of Saturday morning as they had tried to suggest when they arrested him... That whole charade of who was around the area in the weekend they would and should have had some kind of idea...
I do say this must be near Joanna Yeates Flat.... because of there insistance to mention Friday Night and early hours of Saturday Morning as if they saw something on that video..... Maybe they can see Joanna Yeates ..... leaving or someone arriving at her Flat... But it's rather perculiar they at this early stage of the game are talking about late Friday Night and early Saturday Morning,... If they didn't already know something...
CJ's second witness statement... He could clearly see who was at the gate... Maybe the video image just showed figures... Arggg my mind works overtime .... I'll come back to CJ..
Colin Port never mention's this CCTV footage at The Leveson Enquiry :
22/12/10: CCTV was recovered from a number of premises along Ms
Yeates’ route home. A short time period was prioritised to enable all the
footage of her route to be secured quickly. This proved to be the relevant
evidence in the investigation
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So They have secured this CCTV footage .... According to Colin Port.... by the 22nd December 2010... and this article I'm referring too being the 23rd December 2010...
411111: The investigation team reported on the full movements of Ms
Yeates as seen on CCTV from the Ram Public House to the last sighting at
the Hop House CCTV. They commented that a woman and child were visible
behind Ms Yeates on the Caf~ Nero footage but by the time she was seen on
the Hop House camera, Ms Yeates was ahead of the adult and child,
He Offically tells the Leveson Inquiry that The Hopwood House is the last place that Joanna Yeates was seen....
Now we can come to various conclusions.... And one striking conclusion I can come to is that she never got home .. Or they never saw her on this CCTV.. making CJ's statement very important.... maybe he did say he saw Joanna Yeates... and they may have wondered how as they hadn't seen her on the CCTV....
The one CCTV Footage no-one has yet mentioned is Buses.... Dr Vincent Tabak may have even caught a bus... He may have even got a bus to ASDA.... No-one knows because there is no definate CCTV Footage of the car he and Tanja used ...
Which brings me back to the car share... Tanja may have car shared and actually driven her car and picked people up.... Maybe the car was never at home on that night... We don't actually know how Tanja gets from home to the party......
You see that's another reason that this CCTV Footage is massively important... It would show Dr Vincent Tabak's car coming and going..... Any of the CCTV Footage that times his travels could be on a Bus..... I know there''s the supposed picture of him in Park street... But the Car and the Reg are difficult to see....
I never understood why Dr Vincent Tabaks Car would be parked on the road if the flats have a designated parking space......
It would make sense him possibly passing Joanna Yeates Flat if the little gate was nearer to the bus stop... I have just left the little gate and walked down Canygne Road till I arrived at Clifton Down where upon my arrival I saw a bus stop.... not only that a concrete Grit container for anyone needing the use of salt on such an icy night as they claimed it was ........
Now another little point about the little gate is how it was accessed.... Mrs Yeates in a program had said she meet a couple on the sunday night walking diagionally across the grass... she never said which way but i'm assuming it's from the little gate to their side of the building... which may have been a short cut both he and Tanja used ... Especially as the could access clifton Downs quicker...
We have Never Seen images of Tanja Morson's car outside Canygne Road... not even on early reports... We have two images... "Park Street" and the car in some kind of Police Container ... telling us that it's Dr vicent tabak's Car....
Back to ASDA..... The approx time of 10:13pm that Clegg says... Is an accurate time not an approx time ...(IMO)... The image they have of Dr Vincent Tabak is either on ASDA's CCTV or on a Buses CCTV camera's to get that time...
Is this also the reason we never see any footage of the ASDA Car Park and maybe why he texts Tanja outside Asda waiting for the next bus... It's possible... It has never been even looked at.....
The man has hours to waste ... Even when he went to meet Tanja he could have got a taxi to meet her ... which could have him leaving his house at 1:38am on Saturday 18th December 2010...
With the tricks that have been pulled in this case... anything is possible.... And nothing would surprise me anymore to be honest ....
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122184118/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
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I believe the man who had the CCTV was called Mr Kingman, or Professor Kingman. He lives a few doors down from no 44.
Yes... I remember his name being mentioned ... But I'm sure he blabbers away saying that they footage had not been saved or he didn't see it...something along those lines.... Which could be quite true... Meaning the Footage that DS Mark Saunders refers to is other footage possibly .....
Yesterday Sir John, 71, a former vice-chancellor of the University of Bristol, confirmed he had handed CCTV tapes to the police.
He said: I have given everything I have, all the tapes I had, over to police from my CCTV. I cant comment on what was on them.
Asked whether he had looked through the footage and seen Jo or anyone else passing by on the evening of December 17, he said: No, I didn't look back through them. I gave them to police and its up to them what they do with it.
Two street lamps light the corner in the evening a large one on a traffic island a few paces from the house and a smaller light at the side of the house. Officers in the investigation, named Operation Braid, have decided not to show any of the tapes to the public. A spokesman said: We are unable to comment on this CCTV footage and there are no plans for its release.
It had been hoped the 32 cameras on Clifton Suspension Bridge would throw light on the killer or his car registration.
But the firm which operates the bridge said the images would be too dim as their quality became very poor at night.
The final CCTV shots of Jo shown to the public are of her {popping into a Waitrose store on her way home. Jo's body was found dumped on Christmas Day. She had been strangled. Police wont say if they believe she was killed in the flat or elsewhere. They have not revealed the results of DNA tests on a half-drunk bottle of cider found in the flat.
So they know what exactly is on the Footage... they are just not releasing it... Not only that Colin Port says at "The Leveson Inquiry"...That the last image of Joanna Yeates that is seen on CCTV Footage is the Hophouse Pub... meaning that she never arrived home at Canygne Road on Friday the 17th December 2010..(IMO)
So she must have meet someone who she knew ... who returned her property back to the house .... Colin Port is hardly going to put himself in such a position as to tell an UNTRUE To The Leveson Inquiry is he ????
The investigation team reported on the full movements of Ms
Yeates as seen on CCTV from the Ram Public House to the last sighting at
the Hop House CCTV. They commented that a woman and child were visible
behind Ms Yeates on the Cafe Nero footage but by the time she was seen on
the Hop House camera, Ms Yeates was ahead of the adult and child,
By the 22nd December 2010 they have secured all CCTV on Joanna Yeates journey home... So Again I know I'm repeating myself.... Joanna Yeates must NOT have been on that residents CCTV Footage.... If Colin Port has told The Leveson Inquiry everything about Joanna Yeates last movements... And if he says The Hophouse Pub is the last sighting... then were did she go.......
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122184118/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dramatic-new-cctv-evidence-which-could-1694967.amp
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Somebody please tell me where are the pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak's car being removed from Aberdeen Road.. You are not telling me that no journalists were aware that this arrest was happening.... So where are the photo's of the recovery truck removing Dr Vincent Tabak's Car from anywhere ?????
When they arrest CJ... we see that they remove 2 cars... we even get to see what cars and jeeps that Peter Stanley the next door neighbour owns...
Yet... We never see Dr Vincent Tabak's car being removed... or any pictures of the car Joanna Yeates was said to have owned either.....
The 2 most important cars in the case and nothing on one of them and 2 pathetic photo's of the other one.... No image to put Dr Vincent Tabak's car at ASDA Car Park..... No day light image on any other day of Dr Vincent Tabak behind the wheel of this illusive car.....
No image of him and Tanja in the Car..... They ate burgers in the car on the way home... But was that a Taxi????
The bike riding is possible of course... but I think that the story is needed to give us The Bike Cover (IMO)... The way in which he was supposed to have transported Joanna Yeates to avoid contamination....
Give me some concrete pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak driving THAT car.... because whether he says on the stand or not makes no difference... I believe thats a story.... So where is The Renault Megane Reg Number: RY51 RDU parked in ASDA... on any road near Longwood Lane....On any road in Bedminster... On any road going to The Airport..... On any road in Bristol on Friday 17th December 2010...
Is the car a story too????? I have looked up that reg... only info I have ever managed to find is that it was Registered between 2001/2002 and that it had 2 owners... for all anyone knows that REG could have been a right off long ago...!!! So many magic tricks have been used in this case that idea wouldn't surprise me in the slightest....
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The Hophouse Pub being the last sighting? What about the priest who saw someone he later thought must have been Joanna? Seeing that he didn't know her, he can't have been sure that the person he saw was her, and yet he was one of the few people who actually testified in person---------------.
Why call a witness who cannot have been sure that Joanna was the person he saw, and not call people such as the Birches , who would have important evidence?
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We have never seen any picture of Jo's car, as far as I remember.
I do remember seeing CCTV footage of Vincent and Tanja with their burgers, but this is no longer online. I'm not even sure they were in a vehicle at the time.
The footage of Vincent in Tanja's car, driving along Park street is still online, but I cannot make out any registration number from it, not can I identify who is inside it. All you can tell from that footage is that it was dark! Someone who knows Park street well might be able to tell that it is Park street (I cant), but I cannot see how anyone can tell who was driving.
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We have never seen any picture of Jo's car, as far as I remember.
I do remember seeing CCTV footage of Vincent and Tanja with their burgers, but this is no longer online. I'm not even sure they were in a vehicle at the time.
The footage of Vincent in Tanja's car, driving along Park street is still online, but I cannot make out any registration number from it, not can I identify who is inside it. All you can tell from that footage is that it was dark! Someone who knows Park street well might be able to tell that it is Park street (I cant), but I cannot see how anyone can tell who was driving.
Yes the Park street Image is Park Street... I've been up and down it on Google.... I'd love to see the picture with the burgers.. I bet they are walking... Or at a stand.... Honestly you would have thought the prosecution would be in their element showing Dr Vincent Tabak driving around Bristol and Bedminster via ASDA..trying to dump the body of Joanna Yeates.... But alas no..... Not a sausage ....
Their like..... "Stand back... Nothing to see here "!!... which using Ann Reddrop's own words "I find frankly weird"....!!!!
I've tried everything with the car on Park Street to make out that Reg... The fact that when you search for Reg Number :RY51 RDU virtually every Car search place comes back with a negative... not even "Pay us and we will give you the history"...
There's something off about a car that was involved in such an massive case that there are NO... CCTV Footage of it's Journey on That evening or any other.....
There another point that bothers me about this case ... I always have the feeling that they are having a bit of a giggle or know something that they are not letting us know ...... DCI Jones smirks a lot .... (IMO)..So does DC Karen Thomas in her interview... they look they they are trying to stop themselves (IMO)...
But... Maybe the searches tell us more than we realise .... And it's their little joke.... We already know untruths have been told...
On 23 Dec 2010 at 4.00 pm
Tabak searched the Dutch Wikipedia for the words
‘extradition’
‘Yeates’
‘missing persons’
‘% of grey cars in UK’
‘Renault Megan cars in UK’
Both those searches do Not Exist on wiki.... are they telling us that this car doesn't exist???? images attached are of WIKI search done on both English Wiki and the Dutch Wiki as the trial transcript says he searched......
When you search wiki it ask if you want to create this page.... It doesn't exist and never existed... And as I have said before... why would the Dutch wiki give a flying Fig about the % of Grey Cars in the UK or The amount of Renault Meganes in the UK....
Basically at the end of the day.... Where are the Pictures of the Renault Megane that Dr Vincent Tabak was supposed to have driven ....
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
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Blue-eyed Jo, who is a size 8 to 10 and 5ft 4ins tall, was wearing dark grey skinny jeans and a pale top when she went for drinks with a group of work friends at The Ram pub in Park Street, Bristol.
Well the top is not described as pink in this very very early report on 21st December 2010
Officers searching her flat for clues to her disappearance found the receipt from Tesco, which gave the time of 8.40pm.
So it's the receipt that gives the time... So how long to get home ???
Joanna, who recently cut her hair into a short blond crop, had no plans for the weekend when she vanished.
No Plans for the weekend ??? when did that change ??
Who is "VIC"? ... In the comments it says
Vic says:
December 21, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Please RT. This is bro-in-law’s fiancee who’s gone missing in Bristol
reply
http://swns.com/news/parents-of-missing-25-year-old-bristol-woman-launch-plea-for-help-12546/#comments
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Who is "VIC"? ... In the comments it says
"Please RT. This is bro-in-law’s fiancee who’s gone missing in Bristol"
http://swns.com/news/parents-of-missing-25-year-old-bristol-woman-launch-plea-for-help-12546/#comments
The significance and mystery of this comment is difficult to miss. If it were genuine, then it was presumably posted by the wife of Greg Reardon's half-brother Francis. Her name is Helen Reardon, and she is the mother of the twins born in September 2010, Beth and Alice, who we are told were baptised that weekend. Her maiden name was Holmes.
Although Greg's mother, Mrs Lydia Reardon, mentioned that he expected to marry Joanna Yeates, no one else ever described her as his "fiancée" in public. Is it possible that she was engaged to someone else, or had allowed someone else to believe this?
Why has no one thought this seemingly private message worthy of being deleted?
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This is on the 24th December 2010
"The forensic recovery has come to a conclusion inside the house and detectives continue to do a CCTV trawl of the area."
So if it came to a conclusion why did they do More Forensics in The Flat???.... But it says house... Where they recovering items from the House before they even found Joanna Yeates ???
I have attached an image of the same Forensic Officer... One has the date... is the 4th January 2011
The other image shows the same Forensic Officer carrying a guitar... But The female Forensic Officer looks to be coming from the rear of the building....
Where are these items coming from ????
If they had concluded Forensics on Joanna Yeates flat????
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/24/ukcrime
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Examining more closely the image of the Forensic Officer and the Female Forensic Officer directly behind him....
It looks like she is carrying an item of Black Clothing.... Is it a Coat????
I've attached image and circled it...... So are these item from Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat ????
Even if it isn't Dr Vincent Tabak's coat... why is an item not bagged and tagged ?????
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Adding further still to my suspicions that it is a Black Coat...
The Images is from the 4th January 2011... These images I am attaching are from getty.. the others weren't...
I have zoomed in and circled what appears to be a button on said black item .....
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What is the same Forensic Officer doing at the other side of the building ????
Shouldn't be at two different locations.... thought they kept each location seperate ????
Another forensic Officer on other side of building has Black Item in her hand ????
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Somebody please tell me where are the pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak's car being removed from Aberdeen Road.. You are not telling me that no journalists were aware that this arrest was happening.... So where are the photo's of the recovery truck removing Dr Vincent Tabak's Car from anywhere ?????
When they arrest CJ... we see that they remove 2 cars... we even get to see what cars and jeeps that Peter Stanley the next door neighbour owns...
Yet... We never see Dr Vincent Tabak's car being removed... or any pictures of the car Joanna Yeates was said to have owned either.....
The 2 most important cars in the case and nothing on one of them and 2 pathetic photo's of the other one.... No image to put Dr Vincent Tabak's car at ASDA Car Park..... No day light image on any other day of Dr Vincent Tabak behind the wheel of this illusive car.....
No image of him and Tanja in the Car..... They ate burgers in the car on the way home... But was that a Taxi????
The bike riding is possible of course... but I think that the story is needed to give us The Bike Cover (IMO)... The way in which he was supposed to have transported Joanna Yeates to avoid contamination....
Give me some concrete pictures of Dr Vincent Tabak driving THAT car.... because whether he says on the stand or not makes no difference... I believe thats a story.... So where is The Renault Megane Reg Number: RY51 RDU parked in ASDA... on any road near Longwood Lane....On any road in Bedminster... On any road going to The Airport..... On any road in Bristol on Friday 17th December 2010...
Is the car a story too????? I have looked up that reg... only info I have ever managed to find is that it was Registered between 2001/2002 and that it had 2 owners... for all anyone knows that REG could have been a right off long ago...!!! So many magic tricks have been used in this case that idea wouldn't surprise me in the slightest....
This is very important. Yes it has to be a story, since none of the Prosecution witnesses actually testified that this was the car registered to Tanja Morson. Lindsay Lennen did testify that blood and DNA were found in the car used by Vincent Tabak, but she didn't state that she herself was able to link the car in which these forensic results had been found to the defendant. Tanja Morson could have testified to say, Yes, that is the car, but she didn't. (She didn't even testify that she went to a works party that evening, nor that Dyson held a party for their staff that evening.) Even a clerk from the DVLA could have testified to that effect, but so great was the CPS's contempt for the intelligence of the jury that they didn't bother to pay the clerk's train fare from Swansea. Presumably they had spent all the budget on packing cases.
I am tempted to suggest that Tanja actually drove a Dyson Dinky, or possibly the Peugeot being hoisted up by police allegedly to investigate the drain underneath. I suspect that the real killer tipped the police off that the blood and DNA they wanted could be found in a certain Renault Megane whose owner just happened to have a solid alibi for the entire period.
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These images of the man with the sock..... Now it's a crime scene... No-one is supposed to be on the property..
(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sock-man1.jpg)
Happily walking with the Policeman from the main house..... I have a theory....
The only people who were ever allowed on the premises at 44, Canygne Road were the residents....
So is our old man who handed in the sock possibly... Geoffrey Hardyman or is it Geoffrey Peter Rendell?? Remember this is the 5th January 2011 and earlier I believe that Geoffrey Peter Rendll was away ... So is this an image of Geoffrey Hardyman... The very same Geoffrey Hardyman who told the newspapers he was ill in bed... The very same Geoffrey Hardyman who gave a witness statement in court, which was no use to man nor beast!! Or had Geoffrey Peter Rendell returned to the premises??
Another point... Where was Maria Esther Clark??? We never see her.... We've never seen her.. As I have said her name maybe on the door but did she live there??
And if she didn't live there were there others that lived in the flat?? If image 3 isn't Dr Vincent Tabak... then is it possibly some other tenants... We have to consider that the media only ever go on about CJ's tenants... well was there other tenants in the house ??
And was Dr Vincent Tabak CJ's tenant??? He may have rented the house, but was he CJ's Tenant?? Everything is worth questioning about this property I believe ....
If I am having trouble establishing the layout of this property and questioning whether Dr Vincent Tabak lived around the back of the building... You then have 4 options:..
(A): Dr Vincent Tabak lived at the back of the building
(B): Dr Vincent Tabak had another entrance to his Flat from inside the main house
(C): Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't CJ's tenant
(D): CJ doesn't own the flat at the back of the building!!
(D): would make more sense in away.... CJ gives the Police the keys to the flats that he owns... And we see the police in and out of the main building all the time... But we never see them at the back of the building doing their Forensics....
So my question is... Did CJ own the Flat at the back of the building?? And I'm not sure he did....
I'll reply to how i think he possibly didn't in my next post....
Back to the Old Man at 44 Canygne Road..
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/video/exterior-shots-man-handing-a-police-officer-grey-sock-man-news-footage/456732193
We have the video of him popping the sock into an Evidence bag.... Now why allow him to do that??? Then we have the photographs of him actually on the drive....
Well the only reason I believe it to be possible is like I have said ... He's a resident....
Image 1:... Is Man who handed Grey sock
Image 2:... Denise spence entering 44 Canygne Road.. (owner of a flat there)
So if we have these people allowed on the land of Canygne Road... Then I will still say that Image 3... Is Dr Vincent Tabak returning to pick his things up.... Or another tenant altogether ...
And of course Image 4 is CJ:.... We have nearly accounted for all of the residents at 44 Canygne Road... And I believe it is extremely important that we do...
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Well, they had all that tarpaulin up at the back of the building, so something was going on there. We have never been told exactly what.
I am not sure about this, but I think CJ did hold spare keys to all the flats, as he managed the building-------but I could be wrong.
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Don't you think that the tarpaulin could have been put up to stop the press intrusion? The press was everywhere.
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Don't you think that the tarpaulin could have been put up to stop the press intrusion? The press was everywhere.
You could be right, I suppose. Who knows?
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Nine, I have seen this man in the Village so my guess would be that he is a resident, all are owner occupiers. Either Randle or Hardyman, the other two being women.
Clark has no 44 listed as a correspondence address, but again my guess would be that she lives/lived there.
Image 3 looks like police to me, dark hair and jeans.
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My heads about to explode... But I'm nearly getting there as to who owned the basements flats ... and who owns what today....
I've been sat here for hours trying to work it out... And what you need to know is when the ownership of the properties started...
And i do believe I have found it..... I'll post as soon as I have finished working it all out....
Could turn out to be CJ... is owner of basement Flats... But I am not so sure he owned both....
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My heads about to explode... But I'm nearly getting there as to who owned the basements flats ... and who owns what today....
I've been sat here for hours trying to work it out... And what you need to know is when the ownership of the properties started...
And i do believe I have found it..... I'll post as soon as I have finished working it all out....
Could turn out to be CJ... is owner of basement Flats... But I am not so sure he owned both....
Local knowledge, not just me, knows that Chris Jefferies owned/owns both basement flats plus No.3 by the front door with the bay window.
Why does this matter? Chris Jefferies no longer lives at no.44 and also no.6 (which he did not own) has since been sold, but none of this matters does it? Or again am I missing something.
Sorry your head is about to explode!!
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How do you know for sure that CJ owned both basement flats and flat 3 by the main door???
What local knowledge may assume and what a resident may know are two different things.....
So who owns the other flats ????
And as for No: 6... do you mean flat 6....
Which flat did CJ live in.... in 2010 Nina??
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Well if you're a local resident you just tend to know little things. Like Mrs Blogs at number ? is disabled and needs help with shopping. Chris Jefferies was eccentric and does own the basements and did live in the main house.
All of the people at number 44 seem to have worked as teachers for Clifton College and the then Clifton Girls High School, now one with the boy's college. Like a lot of owner occupiers they set up a Management Company for no 44. Just key in any of their names and it will tell you this. Plus they all seem to be around the same age late 60's to 80's and all retired teachers. So I would feel safe to assume that each surname owns their flat. Chris Jefferies being the only one to buy the basement flats and to let them out.
Sorry yes I did mean Flat 6. Would still like to know what this has to do with the fact that you think VT has had a raw deal re: trial. Don't see where you're going with this.
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Well if you're a local resident you just tend to know little things. Like Mrs Blogs at number ? is disabled and needs help with shopping. Chris Jefferies was eccentric and does own the basements and did live in the main house.
All of the people at number 44 seem to have worked as teachers for Clifton College and the then Clifton Girls High School, now one with the boy's college. Like a lot of owner occupiers they set up a Management Company for no 44. Just key in any of their names and it will tell you this. Plus they all seem to be around the same age late 60's to 80's and all retired teachers. So I would feel safe to assume that each surname owns their flat. Chris Jefferies being the only one to buy the basement flats and to let them out.
Sorry yes I did mean Flat 6. Would still like to know what this has to do with the fact that you think VT has had a raw deal re: trial. Don't see where you're going with this.
Establishing ownership I believe is Important.... For many reasons.... And as for Surnames on Door Plates... I am not assuming anything from that... And when I have finished working it out i will explain....
You are definatley sure CJ... lived in Flat 6 and didn't own flat 6... because I think I know why and how this all comes together ....
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No Chris Jefferies had nothing to do with Flat 6, it just happens to be above his old flat.
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No Chris Jefferies had nothing to do with Flat 6, it just happens to be above his old flat.
Local knowledge, not just me, knows that Chris Jefferies owned/owns both basement flats plus No.3 by the front door with the bay window.
Why does this matter? Chris Jefferies no longer lives at no.44 and also no.6 (which he did not own) has since been sold, but none of this matters does it? Or again am I missing something.
Sorry your head is about to explode!!
These are two statements from you.......
Did CJ every live in flat 6 ... notice I didn't say own...which your first statement suggests he lived there .... Or are you confused or trying to confuse me... ?
Ok Nina... please tell me who lives in which flat now.... name and number please.... I know CJ isn't living there as you pointed out.... But I would like to know which of the following names are for which flat in the main house: I have made an educated guess... Correct me where I am mistaken..... Because my workings out are still need for Dr Vincent Tabak...
CJ..... 5
Hardyman 7
Rendle 6
Spence 4
Clark 3
Which flat takes up the whole of a floor ??
Or Does one or more of the flats own part of another level??
I am positive that Flat 2 has access out from the main house.... This Point is important.... because I believe that it is Flat 2 and Flat 3 are the crux of what point I will eventually make.....
If you don't mind Nina ...another question.... what number flats are on which level??
Also ... when did the rearranging of the numbers of the flats happen??? Or are the flats actually numbered??? because everyone literally collects their mail from the main entrance...
I believe the numbering of the flats started once, the basement flat was split into 2....
So are the other flats numbered ??? or do they just have the owners name on them or are they named Flat A... etc..
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These are two statements from you.......
Did CJ every live in flat 6 ... notice I didn't say own...which your first statement suggests he lived there .... Or are you confused or trying to confuse me... ?
Ok Nina... please tell me who lives in which flat now.... name and number please.... I know CJ isn't living there as you pointed out.... But I would like to know which of the following names are for which flat in the main house: I have made an educated guess... Correct me where I am mistaken..... Because my workings out are still need for Dr Vincent Tabak...
CJ..... 5
Hardyman 7
Rendle 6
Spence 4
Clark 3
Which flat takes up the whole of a floor ??
Or Does one or more of the flats own part of another level??
I am positive that Flat 2 has access out from the main house.... This Point is important.... because I believe that it is Flat 2 and Flat 3 are the crux of what point I will eventually make.....
If you don't mind Nina ...another question.... what number flats are on which level??
Also ... when did the rearranging of the numbers of the flats happen??? Or are the flats actually numbered??? because everyone literally collects their mail from the main entrance...
I believe the numbering of the flats started once, the basement flat was split into 2....
So are the other flats numbered ??? or do they just have the owners name on them or are they named Flat A... etc..
Chris Jefferies to my knowledge has never lived in any flat but Flat 3. It was only when he inherited from his mother or aunt that he bought the basements as they became available. It was a tad before my time so I don't know whether he bought them together or one at a time.
Chris Jefferies lived in Flat 3 the one with the large bay window by the front door. So logic says that the window to the right of the door is Flat 4. I've always had the impression that the top floor was all one flat. Flat 6 is above Flat 3. Those two have been sold since 2010 but both parties still remain active directors of the management company for no.44.
You can put whatever number or letter on your door so long as the house remains no.44 on the outside. So how it is numbered you can only guess. I'm certainly not walking up and taking a look at the door plate!!
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Chris Jefferies to my knowledge has never lived in any flat but Flat 3. It was only when he inherited from his mother or aunt that he bought the basements as they became available. It was a tad before my time so I don't know whether he bought them together or one at a time.
Chris Jefferies lived in Flat 3 the one with the large bay window by the front door. So logic says that the window to the right of the door is Flat 4. I've always had the impression that the top floor was all one flat. Flat 6 is above Flat 3. Those two have been sold since 2010 but both parties still remain active directors of the management company for no.44.
You can put whatever number or letter on your door so long as the house remains no.44 on the outside. So how it is numbered you can only guess. I'm certainly not walking up and taking a look at the door plate!!
Does The Flat known as Flat 2 at the back of the building have access through the main house.... This will cut out a lot of problems....
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Maria Ester Clark become a Director on the 24th January 2001 on the same day as Flat 3 sells.
This is why I thought that Maria Esther Clark owned flat 3, but when you said CJ owned Flat 3.. I thought there must have been an error somewhere ...
So does CJ just live in Maria Esther Clarks Flat????
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Does The Flat known as Flat 2 at the back of the building have access through the main house.... This will cut out a lot of problems....
No, the front door to Flat 2 is at the back of the building, the same as Flat 1 has its own front door. Access to the front door is for the owners living in the main house. Hope this has cleared things up a bit for you.
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Maria Ester Clark become a Director on the 24th January 2001 on the same day as Flat 3 sells.
This is why I thought that Maria Esther Clark owned flat 3, but when you said CJ owned Flat 3.. I thought there must have been an error somewhere ...
So does CJ just live in Maria Esther Clarks Flat????
Chris Jefferies lived and owned and sold Flat 3 and had nothing to do with Mrs Clark, flatwise, apart from the Management Company.
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You've thrown me a little Nina... So I'll start from the begining so everyone can see who originally lived in the house
1970: CJ
Now the date of Incorporation is 1st August 1990..
I believe lots of people lived in and shared that house... But it's not until 1991 that names appear as directors that I can see... So I'll list those who are directors in 1991
1991: 1st August 1991 Directors
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
CJ
Phillipa Jane Cullen & Oliver James Graham Cullen
Denise Lynnette Spence
Mark Shannon Hazell & Suzanne Hazell
Stephen Richard Johnson
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Now this is why I get confused.... I have 7 lots who could fit in 7 properties... I need to know when The Ground Floor Flat gets split...
On the 11th May 1993 Steven Richard Johnson is no longer listed as a owner/director, but in his place on the 11th May 1993 Clifton College becomes a director... But I do not know if any house sale took place at this time... Or whether it has something to do with the basement flat...
1995:... The Hazell No longer are Directors and Roger Wyatt Wakeham becomes a director...
Mark Shannon Hazell resigns on the 17th November 1995
Roger Wyatt Shannon becomes a Director on the 17th November 1995
A Ground Floor Flat is bought on 17th November 1995
Making me conclude that Roger Wyatt Wakeham buys from Mark Hazzell Shannon on the 17th November 1995
Before I list the directors for 1996... on 8th May 1996 Clifton College Ceased to be a director.. It goes on to say... No New Director Appointed ..(Image 1:)
I feel I need to point out that Companies House Doesn't List who is The Secretary or Directors before 1995...
But a few bits of info I have gleaned....
In 1992 a Director particulars changed... Now this must be when Suzane Hazell leaves 44 Canygne Road which I know is the 1st July 1992... (I'll add images so you can see how)...
There is some Elective Resolution made 2nd March 1993
By the 6th July 1993 A Director resigns and a new Director is appointed
On The 12th November 1993 a Directors particulars Change Could be telling us someone retired..
Again on the 5th August 1994 a Directors particulars change Same again...
Which brings us full circle back to Mark Shannon Hazell and Roger Wyatt Wakeham buying and selling A Ground Floor Flat....
Another thing of note.. Is CJ is often listed twice.. A as A Director and B as A Secretary I can see this from 1995.. But this could have been the case sooner....
Does this mean CJ owned or part owned more than one flat early on??
So the Directors listed for 1996 are:The returns date signed is 1st August 1996
CJ
Oliver James Graham Cullen & Phillipa Jane Cullen
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Denise Lynnette Spence
Roger Wyatt Wakeham
Then we have the Sale of A Ground Floor Flat, 44, Canynge Road, Bristol, BS8 3LQ 30th September 1996 £61,500
This then brings you to who the Directors are in 1997...
Directors for 1997 as of 1st August 1997
CJ
Oliver james Cullen & Phillipa Jane Cullen
Denise Lynette Spence
Geoffrey Hardyman
Geofrey Vernon Rendle
Roger Wyatt Wakeham
So in my mind... Roger Wyatt Wakeham must have split the ground floor flat into 2 as he is still a director...and one of the above bought it... which one I am not sure...
Roger Wyatt Wakeham bought the Ground Floor Flat on 17th November 1995.. £ 73,500
AGround Floor Flat is sold on 30th September 1996 for £ 61,500 Who buys it???
If the Directors are the same in 1997 as 1996.... I'm stumped who bought the flat
1998: The Directors listed for 1st August 1998 are:
CJ
Geoffrey Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Roger Wyatt Wakeham
Oliver James Graham Cullen & Phillipa Jane Cullen
Denise Lynette Spence
Now on the 23rd February 1999 Flat 3 is sold for £143,000 .. Then a week later on the:....
5th March 1999 A Ground Floor Flat is sold for £97,500
But we also have a new director appointed on 23rd February 1999 Nicholas Anthony Baldwin (Property Consultant Of Rosewood Construction LTD)
Roger Wyatt Wakeham.. Is listed as Not being an Official Director on 1st March 1999
And it's on the 29th November 1998 that... MarK Cullen & Pippa Cullen cease to be directors
So we have our Directors for 1st August 1999 are:
CJ
Denise Lynnette Spence
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Nicholas Anthony Baldwin ( Rosewood Construction Bristol LTD)
So now we have 5 Directors....
In 9th August 2000 the directors are listed as:
CJ
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Denise Lynette Spence
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Nicholas Anthony Baldwin
When Flat 3 Sells on 24th February 2001 There is a change in Directorship;
Nicholas Anthony Baldwin resigns and Maria Esther Clark becomes a Director
Directors in 24th August 2001
CJ
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Denise Lynette Spence
Maria Esther Clark
This is whats been cabbaging my head all day.... It's with the sale of Flat 3 that a New Director happens.. But I do not think that they own Flat 3... So what am I missing????
CJ must buy the majority share of Flat 3... But theres apart of it that belongs to what??
In 1999 Flat 3 and A Ground Floor Flat are sold in a week of each other.... But Nicholas Baldwin appears as Director when Flat 3 is sold...
And when Flat 3 is sold in 2001 Maria Esther Clark become a Director..... So if Nina says CJ owns flat 3... what am I missing????? Does Maria Esther Clark actually own a property??? Why is she a Director???
It's sending me mad.... Who else owns more than one flat??
2002 CJ retires
Then nothing happens until 3rd August 2010 when Something to do with Directors Particulars Changing and this is for ...
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Denise Lynn Spence.
CJ
Marie Esther Clark
But I don't know what it is.. because they are still listed as Directors on 6th August 2015
What changed on 3rd August 2010??? (More to the point... who actually lived in the building then???)
And if we have the same directors in 2015 .......what am I missing???
Image 2 shows sales from 1995 to 2001 of the flats....
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02526918/filing-history
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Chris Jefferies lived and owned and sold Flat 3 and had nothing to do with Mrs Clark, flatwise, apart from the Management Company.
So when did he sell flat 3???
Did he live in it in 2010 ???
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...2002 CJ retires
Then nothing happens until 3rd August 2010 when Something to do with Directors Particulars Changing and this is for ...
Geoffrey Vernon Hardyman
Geoffrey Peter Rendle
Denise Lynn Spence.
CJ
Marie Esther Clark
But I don't know what it is.. because they are still listed as Directors on 6th August 2015
What changed on 3rd August 2010??? (More to the point... who actually lived in the building then???)
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Nothing happened between 2002 and August 2010. Then something happened behind closed doors. Something nasty in the woodshed? Because, just 4½ months later, Joanna Yeates was murdered. Coincidence, or cause and effect?
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Nine you need to stop investigating people who have lived at no.44, what do they have to do with the murder of Joanna Yeates, nothing IMO.
I thought that this was all about the murder of Joanna and that VT was innocent, not about people who have lived at the address and then putting the data you have found online. These people and their flats have nothing to do with the murder IMO and you are invading their privacy.
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Nine you need to stop investigating people who have lived at no.44, what do they have to do with the murder of Joanna Yeates, nothing IMO.
I thought that this was all about the murder of Joanna and that VT was innocent, not about people who have lived at the address and then putting the data you have found online. These people and their flats have nothing to do with the murder IMO and you are invading their privacy.
I am trying to establish whether or not all of the Flats in 44, Canygne Road are 'occupied" by the people who own them firstly...
Whilst establishing the possibility that someone may or may not have stayed at Canygne Road over that time period who doesn't officially live at the residents...
Because we always have the names on the door... Yet other than Dr Vincent Tabak and Greg Reardon.... Nobody from that residence appeared at trial....
Geoffrey Hardyman didn't appear... his statement was read out....
We have videoed evidence from ITN that Denise Spence was there ... where are her statements and observations....???
And by establishing how the house works... I can therefore submit it is possible for other people who were in or around the residence at the time to give 'Evidence".... (IMO)...
I'm sorry if you see it as an invasion of "Privacy"... All the information I have put forward is available at 'Companies House and elsewhere on the net....
I do "NOT" know who bought which house"... Maybe someone else can deduce who did....
Unless I have the paperwork in front of me saying... This Individual bought this house on this certain day... I do not know who bought which Flat in the property...
And with that cannot agree with you that CJ definatley owned Flat 1 ... Flat 2 and Flat 3..... Unless you have seen evidence of this... I have to try and work out what happened at that residence over that period of time... And how that residence may be layed out...
I keep saying... Does Flat 2 at the back of the building have access to the main house within the building????
That question I believe is extremely important personally....
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I am trying to establish whether or not all of the Flats in 44, Canygne Road are 'occupied" by the people who own them firstly...
Whilst establishing the possibility that someone may or may not have stayed at Canygne Road over that time period who doesn't officially live at the residents...
Because we always have the names on the door... Yet other than Dr Vincent Tabak and Greg Reardon.... Nobody from that residence appeared at trial....
Geoffrey Hardyman didn't appear... his statement was read out....
We have videoed evidence from ITN that Denise Spence was there ... where are her statements and observations....???
And by establishing how the house works... I can therefore submit it is possible for other people who were in or around the residence at the time to give 'Evidence".... (IMO)...
I'm sorry if you see it as an invasion of "Privacy"... All the information I have put forward is available at 'Companies House and elsewhere on the net....
I do "NOT" know who bought which house"... Maybe someone else can deduce who did....
Unless I have the paperwork in front of me saying... This Individual bought this house on this certain day... I do not know who bought which Flat in the property...
And with that cannot agree with you that CJ definatley owned Flat 1 ... Flat 2 and Flat 3..... Unless you have seen evidence of this... I have to try and work out what happened at that residence over that period of time... And how that residence may be layed out...
I keep saying... Does Flat 2 at the back of the building have access to the main house within the building????
That question I believe is extremely important personally....
Okay Nine, of course I cannot prove that Chris Jefferies purchased flats 1,2 & 3, thank heavens some things are still private.
What you have to realise about these types of houses is that the basements were originally places for the kitchen & laundry, the main house being owned and occupied by one family. Usually money made from tobacco and slaves in Bristol, but rich they were. In the 20-21st century these spaces were usually very gradually done up and sold. I'm living in one myself, a basement, lucky me I have the garden!
So there would be no interior door from either basement flat to the main house. Absolutely no need. Coal was usually kept in an outhouse.
I know that all or most of the things you have put online is already online, but how would you feel if it was you? Just the mere fact that someone has been following your paper trail and putting it online and discussing it, would make me very mad and upset. Perhaps you could keep some of your findings offline and just give us the deduction. That's not going to work is it!!
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Okay Nine, of course I cannot prove that Chris Jefferies purchased flats 1,2 & 3, thank heavens some things are still private.
What you have to realise about these types of houses is that the basements were originally places for the kitchen & laundry, the main house being owned and occupied by one family. Usually money made from tobacco and slaves in Bristol, but rich they were. In the 20-21st century these spaces were usually very gradually done up and sold. I'm living in one myself, a basement, lucky me I have the garden!
So there would be no interior door from either basement flat to the main house. Absolutely no need. Coal was usually kept in an outhouse.
I know that all or most of the things you have put online is already online, but how would you feel if it was you? Just the mere fact that someone has been following your paper trail and putting it online and discussing it, would make me very mad and upset. Perhaps you could keep some of your findings offline and just give us the deduction. That's not going to work is it!!
People are obviously in agreement with you Nina.... So I will stick to my original statement...
Oh... What do I know.... I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall...
All is fair in LOVE AND WAR... But not in "JUSTICE" it appears to me.... I am just a citizen who believes a Placid Dutchman is Innocent... And feel that his rights were violated.... And The Evidence doesn't add up...
But I can waffle on until the cows come home...
No-one as far as I can tell is going to do anything about this... And seeing as I don't live next to the farm anymore I don't think they will know where to find me.... And I've probably bent everyones ears enough by now...
I don't know what more I can add... Unless I find something new ...
And God help anyone who finds themselves the subject of A Miscarriage of Justice
Edit... Just want to say... let "John" remove that offending post anything else he deems I have been inappropriate with... "Lord have Mercy".... I Bid You Good Night !
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Nine..again isn't out of order by lining a few ducks up. It is important to have some feel for who may or may not have been present at 44 Canynge Rd at the point the attack took place on Yeates. However, there is only an assumption that a Yeates actually made it back inside her flat. This is where my question lies. Would she have been inclined to open the door to her flat to a stranger, in the dark, when she was alone?
I don't think so.
This leads me back to my inquiry quite nicely. once the killer had Yeates's keys all he had to do was drop some things back, misleading trail complete.
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Nine..again isn't out of order by lining a few ducks up. It is important to have some feel for who may or may not have been present at 44 Canynge Rd at the point the attack took place on Yeates. However, there is only an assumption that a Yeates actually made it back inside her flat. This is where my question lies. Would she have been inclined to open the door to her flat to a stranger, in the dark, when she was alone?
I don't think so.
This leads me back to my inquiry quite nicely. once the killer had Yeates's keys all he had to do was drop some things back, misleading trail complete.
We have VT's word that Joanna made it back to her flat.
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We have VT's word that Joanna made it back to her flat.
"No answer came the loud reply"
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"No answer came the loud reply"
Sorry, been offline for a few hours. If you want to take that line then we also have VTs word that he caused her death so you're wasting your time on here.
AH
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We have VT's word that Joanna made it back to her flat.
How do we know he wasn't lying?
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How do we know he wasn't lying?
Well we don't, unless we were there that night. I can't get over how you all say VT is innocent but call him a liar.
A lot of what VT has said has rung true to me, and I do tend to believe him on some things.
We obviously will never know but I believe him when he says he was in her flat with her.
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Well we don't, unless we were there that night. I can't get over how you all say VT is innocent but call him a liar.
A lot of what VT has said has rung true to me, and I do tend to believe him on some things.
We obviously will never know but I believe him when he says he was in her flat with her.
As you say, we can't know for sure.
If he is innocent of killing Jo, then he certainly lied in court (which, of course, is a crime in itself). If he's guilty, I still can't believe his version of events, which don't ring true to me at all. I doubt they did to the jury either, or they would have found him guilty of manslaughter.
No evidence was produced to place VT in Jo's flat, nor her in his, apart from his own testimony. Not even his fingerprints on the front door that he allegedly made such a fuss about.
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Ok... I'm busy today... But I believe I have found somethings of interest.. that would be difficult to dispute...
This Case is off''' FULL STOP.... Something was definatley going on... well before they charged Dr Vincent Tabak....
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Ok... I'm busy today... But I believe I have found somethings of interest.. that would be difficult to dispute...
This Case is off''' FULL STOP.... Something was definatley going on... well before they charged Dr Vincent Tabak....
I am struggling to understand some of your thinking on this case Nine. I agree there are many unanswered questions and some which are troubling but to his credit Tabak did admit what he did to Joanna. In those circumstances it is extremely difficult to see a situation whereby this case could be classed as a miscarriage of justice. Or have I missed something?
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I hadn't realised that Ann Redropp ..head of The Complex Crime Unit was at The early Police Conferences along side DCI Phil Jones and DI Joe Goff.... They kept that quiet.... Don't have a date...
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/c1b9929a3b0141228fed9e5d6bd46d75/joanna-yeates-murder-g4mgnb.jpg)
Think it may be after the trial.... I only thought that they spoke to the media outside the court house ....
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I hadn't realised that Ann Redropp ..head of The Complex Crime Unit was at The early Police Conferences along side DCI Phil Jones and DI Joe Goff.... They kept that quiet.... Don't have a date...
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/c1b9929a3b0141228fed9e5d6bd46d75/joanna-yeates-murder-g4mgnb.jpg)
Think it may be after the trial.... I only thought that they spoke to the media outside the court house ....
Given that this photograph shows them wearing poppies, are you sure this photograph relates to Yeates? November 11 been and gone!!
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Given that this photograph shows them wearing poppies, are you sure this photograph relates to Yeates? November 11 been and gone!!
Interesting point that AH.... But poppy day was only weeks away .... The more Interesting thing is why no-one has commented on any thing else.... over 300 reads on my posts last night.... And you are talking poppies....
My God.... !!
Edit,... It obviously has some other significance..... Just tell me.... Please ....
Double Edit.... Has that got anything to do with the message I sent last night...????
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Interesting point that AH.... But poppy day was only weeks away .... The more Interesting thing is why no-one has commented on any thing else.... over 300 reads on my posts last night.... And you are talking poppies....
My God.... !!
Edit,... It obviously has some other significance..... Just tell me.... Please ....
Double Edit.... Has that got anything to do with the message I sent last night...????
There are some who rush in where angels fear to tread.
You made a valid observation about the decamping of Vincent Tabak, and, presumably, Tanja Morson, to 37 Aberdeen Road, seems to have shown a lack of resepct for his and her private life, in breach of Article 8 of the European Human Rights Convention. Apart from Christopher Jefferies, who was still a suspect, and Greg Reardon, whose flat was presumably deemed to be a crime scene, no one else from 44 Canynge Road seems to have been obliged to find somewhere else to live.
However, we don't know this for certain. Would it have been made public if they had? It is obvious that an awful lot was going on that has never been made public, some of which would probably alter our perception of the case entirely. It seems quite probable that Vincent Tabak already knew he was a suspect, and the police had already decided that his flat too was a crime scene, as indeed it would have been if he really had moved Joanna's body into his own flat.
Apart from that Article 8 is more honoured in the breach than the observance nowadays, thanks to all the anti-terror and anti-whitewashing laws that have been passed, making every man and his dog a potential terror suspect. Not to mention the regulations restricting people's rights to "family reunification".
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Given that this photograph shows them wearing poppies, are you sure this photograph relates to Yeates? November 11 been and gone!!
The trial finished on October 28th, so some people would have been wearing poppies then: November 11th was only a couple of weeks away.
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The Police's case is that Joanna Yeates made it home after she had left 'The Bristol Ram"...
The CCTV that was taken from residents on Canygne Road, didn't apparently show Joanna Yeates.... This CCTV had never been made public...
Colin Port supports the theory that Joanna Yeates did not reach her flat on Friday 17th December 2010
The investigation team reported on the full movements of Ms
Yeates as seen on CCTV from the Ram Public House to the last sighting at
the Hop House CCTV
So where did she go after that ????
DS Mark Saunders says in The Papers and on video about vehicles driving up and down Canygne Road...
Police are also studying private CCTV footage which shows the area around her Canynge Road home.
Det Supt Mark Saunders said: "You can see lots of people walking up and down and vehicles driving up and down on Friday night and the early hours of Saturday morning.
So.... Where was Joanna Yeates on this "PRIVATE" CCTV????
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12061305
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122184118/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witness-Statement-of-Chief-Constable-Colin-Port.pdf
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The Incident Vehicle is parked outside 44, Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010..
DS Mark Saunders is talking to camera, saying
We are all trying to guess as to various scenario's that could have happened ...
The fact That he is outside Canygne Road and an incident vehicle is all ready parked there as ear;y as 22nd December 2010... They already knew something other than Joanna Yeates was a Missing Person.. (IMO)...
What is A Police Support Group Vehicle ???... I thought they were used as escorts ??? Football matches etc... why is there one outside Canygne Road??? For a 'Missing Person"... Did they escort someone from Canygne Road ??? Just seems a bit odd to me ...
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The Incident Vehicle is parked outside 44, Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010..
DS Mark Saunders is talking to camera, saying
The fact That he is outside Canygne Road and an incident vehicle is all ready parked there as ear;y as 22nd December 2010... They already knew something other than Joanna Yeates was a Missing Person.. (IMO)...
What is A Police Support Group Vehicle ???... I thought they were used as escorts ??? Football matches etc... why is there one outside Canygne Road??? For a 'Missing Person"... Did they escort someone from Canygne Road ??? Just seems a bit odd to me ...
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Well done for finding this clip! It is the earliest evidence of such a big police presence at 44 Canynge Road - but not as early as we would like! Were these vehicles present the day before, when the family made their first TV appeal? Were they present on Monday 20th, when the slopes of Avon Gorge were being scoured?
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Well done for finding this clip! It is the earliest evidence of such a big police presence at 44 Canynge Road - but not as early as we would like! Were these vehicles present the day before, when the family made their first TV appeal? Were they present on Monday 20th, when the slopes of Avon Gorge were being scoured?
I have found an image of them searching the gorge... but the Article is dated the 23rd December 2010
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html
leonora.... Was the search earlier ???? On the Monday 20th December 2010??
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I have found an image of them searching the gorge... but the Article is dated the 23rd December 2010
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html
leonora.... Was the search earlier ???? On the Monday 20th December 2010??
The earliest reports state that police were searching the Downs and the Gorge on Wednesday 22nd December 2010. The link you posted to the Daily Mail article includes a photo of 44 Canynge Road with the same mobile incident centre parked outside as in the clip of Mark Saunders - confirming that was indeed where they filmed him.
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Yes they filmed DS Mark Saunders outside 44,Canygne Road on the 22nd December 2010.. The Forensics where also in the house on the 22nd December 2010 ......
But I have just found something else.... It's amazing how timelines change in this case !!!!!
This is a report from ITN News... A short but important clip! 7 seconds long!!
From The Ram pub last Friday night the 25 year old called a friend, they discussed her Christmas and New Year Plans..
So are they referring to Rebecca Scott????
If Not Which other Friend?? If it's Rebecca Scott... What time did Joanna Yeates leave "The Ram Pub"??? because the phone call was supposed to have taken place at 8:30pm for approx 15 mins...
Things are not adding up again..... This report is on the 22nd December 2010... It's one of the very early reports into the case ...
When did the timeline start to change ???? Maybe when they realised Dr Vincent Tabak had an alibi ?? The phone call of Rebecca Scotts has changed on more than one occasion... It started off as a 15 minute phone call... and by the time it reached trial it had become quite vague in it duration...
If Joanna Yeates was talking to Rebecca Scott in The Ram Pub at 8:30pm, then it clearly shows that the Tesco video as I have said all along is incorrect....
So at a starting point of 8:30pm... Followed by a 45 minute journey home visiting 3 shops... that makes the time that Joanna Yeates could possibly arrive home is 9:15pm.. So all the scream I never saw as evidence can be immediaetly discounted... And you also have the "Prosecution putting Dr Vincent Tabak in his own Flat for 1 hour before he went to ASDA....
If Dr Vincent Tabak was seen at 10:13pm on Friday 17th December 2010... Means that He could not possibly have gone around to Flat 1 an hour before he left for ASDA.. as Joanna Yeates would not have arrived at this time ...!!! That if she arrived home at all!!!! ....(IMO)
Three Options...
(1): She called Rebecca Scott from The Ram Pub on Friday 22nd December 2010 at 8:30pm....
(2): She did call Rebecca Scott at 8:30pm
(3): She called another person altogether from the Ram Pub on Friday 22nd December 2010 at sometime....
Was there someone else who Joanna Yeates talked too... Or did they forget to tell us the Phone Call was made from The Ram Pub!!!
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Well done for finding this clip! It is the earliest evidence of such a big police presence at 44 Canynge Road - but not as early as we would like! Were these vehicles present the day before, when the family made their first TV appeal? Were they present on Monday 20th, when the slopes of Avon Gorge were being scoured?
I have a clip for the 22nd December 2010 of The Family and Greg Reardon at The Press Conference... For obvious reasons I am not going to put that particular clip on... but it gives you an indication leonora of how EVERYTHING was put into motion straight away.....
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So.... We have in 2 days of each other two Senior Police Officers making appeals in relation to Joanna Yeates... Each of these Officers are part of The Cold Case Team.. Investigating unsolved crimes that may have links...
We have DS Mark Saunders on the 22nd December 2010.. making his appeal... Followed by...
DCI Garth Bevan on the 23rd December 2010 and his Missing Pizza appeal.... "The word wrappings" seems to be important...(IMO)..
Gareth Bevan... quote
Within the flat we can find no evidence of this pizza, or any of the wrappings, and so I would like to make an appeal, firstly for anyone who has any information about where Joanna (was) is now, or any information (about) that can indicate what's happened to her. I'd also like to make an appeal to anyone who knows where this pizza is,or whether any of the wrappings are or where the box is
So DCI Bevan... was that nearly past tense ??
DS Mark Saunders
We are all trying to guess various scenario's of what could have happened.. Erm.. The work that's going on in there at the moment is just looking for evidence that may give us a clue as to where she might have gone, or anyone she might have meet up with or anything like that.
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I remember the early report about the DNA... And the DNA that was found on Joanna Yeates lips....
To find reports in the papers today on this DNA sample on her lip, is virtually impossible... But I managed, And it wasn't easy believe me... They had censored the article.... So I have managed 2 different way in obtaining what it said.... I have attached various images of the said page.... The article is printed 4 days before Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest...
Question does anyone else get the same view as me of this article .. Or am i mistaken that it has been greyed out???
Sunday, January 16, 2011
Jo Yeates: Murder of Joanna being used to collect DNA..using Jo's mother in her grief , a dispicable tactic !!!!!
THE GRIEVING mother of Joanna Yeates last night called for all her daughter’s friends and colleagues to be DNA tested to eliminate them from the murder inquiry.
Teresa Yeates has urged detectives to focus DNA sampling on the small group of people her daughter knew and then to include men in the upmarket district of Clifton in Bristol where Jo lived with her boyfriend Greg Reardon.
Her call comes as a national poll conducted by the Sunday Express shows a majority of people across the UK want all 250,000 men in Bristol to be DNA tested.
Nearly 2,000 people in major towns and cities were asked by OnePoll if all men in Bristol should have DNA testing and 57 per cent said yes.
In Bristol 245 people were interviewed with 54 per cent for and 46 per cent against.
Last week Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East, led the calls for citywide DNA testing but so far murder squad detectives have ruled out a mass DNA trawl of the city. They may change their minds after considering the views of the Yeates family.
It is thought a tiny sample of DNA was found on Jo’s lips. It may have got there when the killer was dumping her body, which was found covered in snow on Christmas Day three miles from her home.
Speaking from her home in Ampfield, near Romsey, Hampshire, Mrs Yeates, 58, said: “To be honest, I don’t think all men in Bristol should be DNA tested. I think it would be pointless. I think there should be DNA testing for people who live in the Clifton area and DNA testing of people Jo was acquainted with.”
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Asked if that should include Jo’s colleagues, she replied: “I don’t see why not. I don’t believe any of her work colleagues were involved in any of this. I haven’t met all of them but that is my gut feeling. It is better to eliminate them.”
It is understood police have been highly selective in who they ask for DNA swabs but they have tested some of her 200 Facebook friends.
Colleagues who were connected to her social networking site, or who had sent her e-mails or texts outside of work, are thought to have been asked to supply swabs.
Dr Carolyn Morton, a principal lecturer in forensic science at the University of West England in Bristol, said it was possible the DNA could have come from anyone Miss Yeates was with on the evening she went missing, including colleagues she could have kissed when she left the pub. She said the police had to find where the saliva came from. So far none of her workmates who joined Jo for Christmas drinks on the day she went missing, Friday, December 17, has been named or has spoken publicly about her.
BDP, the company for which 25-year-old landscape architect Jo worked, is talking to her mother and father David, 63, about a suitable memorial.
A spokeswoman said: “Jo loved flowers, so a beautiful landscaped space would perhaps be the most fitting memorial.”
It is unclear whether Jo’s 27-year-old boyfriend Greg will return to work for BDP in the office he once shared with Jo. He has told friends that even the thought of a brief return to Bristol upsets him.
Mrs Yeates confirmed to the Sunday Express that she would now not be playing the part of her daughter in a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction to be broadcast on January 26.
As she is the same height as her daughter and looks similar, she had been prepared to go through the emotional ordeal.
Last night she said: “They will be getting somebody else for the reconstruction but it is definitely not me, I can confirm that.”
It is thought either an actress or a serving Avon and Somerset female police officer will play the role for the programme which frustrated detectives hope will produce a breakthrough lead.
Police sources say they have found no significant links between Jo’s murder and that of Glenis Carruthers, a young woman strangled in Clifton 37 years ago, after cold case detectives reopened their files last week.
: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/223433/DNA-all-Joannma-Yeates-friends-begs-her-mother/DNA-all-Joannma-Yeates-friends-begs-her-mother#ixzz1BCf45ZTp
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'It is thought a tiny sample of DNA was found on Jo’s lips."
That sentence is important... I remember other Newpaper Articles running this story... Then the story disappeared.... Why was that ????
Did Joanna Yeates have DNA on her lips??? It is more than probable... (IMO)... There was the "Full DNA Profile" that didn't belong to Dr Vincent Tabak... that mysteriously was forgotten about at trial....
Is it because Dr Vincent Tabak mentions in his trial he tried to kiss her the reason the DNA on the lip didn't come into play???? Because it would have shown that Dr Vincent Tabak's DNA was NOT on Joanna Yeates lip...
Is that why the 'Trying to kiss her story comes to court" ??? They know she had DNA on her lip.... It is almost like they try to see how blatant they can be in this whole trial... Without anyone making any type of objection.....
There were definitely more articles in the media on this story... But they appear to have gone... WHY.. If DNA is found on Joanna Yeates Lip did it not come to trial???
Why was this story not Mentioned in the Leveson Inquiry....
Was this the only real area that DNA was actually recovered from Joanna Yeates , and because it didn't match Dr Vincent Tabak... this Information was suppressed ????
Someone has gone to a great deal of trouble to make this Important Piece of Evidence Vanish.. And I mean A lot of trouble....
Because you would have thought that a flat out denial at the time of print would have gone a long way into supportting the fact that this information wasn't true.... But instead.. We have 'Censored Text"... And articles on this Particular piece of Evidence removed from The Internet......
Why would they wanna go and do a thing like that !!!!!!
When you click on the links that the article has got its information from the Information is No longer there:....
Edit.... why did Jo's mum only think people in The Clifton area should be DNA tested ??? And People she was acquainted with ?? Why not some random stranger ??
Speaking from her home in Ampfield, near Romsey, Hampshire, Mrs Yeates, 58, said: “To be honest, I don’t think all men in Bristol should be DNA tested. I think it would be pointless. I think there should be DNA testing for people who live in the Clifton area and DNA testing of people Jo was acquainted with.”
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The links from the Article at Steel magnolias leads me to this page of the Express.... I have attached a screen shot because the headlines talk about coldplay... But Joanna Yeates parents are slap bang, sat there in this article... So it has been changed....
But interestingly enough the Comments are still there relating to the fact that the article did have the information that there was indeed DNA on Joanna Yeate's lip.....
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Noel O'Gara
DNA on lip does not prove murder\r\rFirst they need to eliminate the cat.
DNA may have come from a kiss of a friend, how could anybody deduce that it was planted by a killer?
Also that dna trace may have been there for weeks if not months. The obvious first person to eliminate would be her boyfriend in order to avoid mass testing.
If it is the boyfriend's dna, that proves that he kissed her on the lips. Big deal. It does not record the time of the kiss and dna thirty years old has been used by police to convict people.
DNA is a very dangerous tool which is open to abuse by unscrouplous policemen who need results. You can draw all sort of inferences from it.
Public confidence in it is misplaced.
So indeed there has been censoring of this most Important piece of Evidence..... (IMO)...
Edit.... I would just like to add that, this is the reason that I link, transcribe and screenshot everything.. Because as we know .... Things have a habit of disappearing in this CASE!!
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Hi Newbie here - first post.
Followed this case from the very beginning.
In the first Daily Mail article, which is now no longer on the internet. GR said that that their cat Bernard's litter tray was stinking, but GR made no mention of a messy flat that came later!
In court GR said '"I didn't really think there was a big problem. I thought she may well have gone away visiting friends'.
So flat is in 'a mess' with 'stinky litter tray' but even though GR had not spoken to Jo since the Friday GR didn't think it was a big problem.
'"So I thought she may have been away doing fun things, so not having been able to get hold of her phone ... I wasn't sure." Is this not an odd way of speaking? 'Away doing 'fun things'??
''I went, trying to find out what she was wearing by looking at what was out''. Bizarre language. By looking at what was out GR might discover what Jo was wearing? &%+((£ @)(++(*
'Mr Reardon said that he thought his girlfriend had been locked out of the flat with all her possessions inside'.
Yet another odd statement. If Jo had been locked out, would she not have been able to contact the landlord Chris Jefferies and get back in then?
"I started to ring around her friends and my friends in Bristol to try and find out where she was, if she was with them over the weekend," he told the jury.
"I rang ALL THE PEOPLE SHE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH FRIDAY NIGHT -and any of her friends that I could think of that might have seen her''
No he did not!! The one person who would have been the obvious person to contact > Rebecca, Jo's 'best friend' GR didn't even call !! And that is just incredible in my book!
Not only the fact that he never rang Rebecca, but then went on to claim in court that he had rung all those Jo was in contact with Friday night. &%+((£
It was the police that woke Rebecca up to tell her that Jo was missing in the early hours of Monday 20 December.
Dare I need say that I do not believe that Vincent Tabak murdered Jo Yeates.
Nex GR discovers earrings one in the bed and one on the floor. Why was this even mentioned in court? Jo' was found wearing stud earrings as I recall.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boyfriends-panic-over-missing-joanna-yeates-2371910.html
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'"So I thought she may have been away doing fun things, so not having been able to get hold of her phone ... I wasn't sure." Is this not an odd way of speaking? 'Away doing 'fun things'??
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"I started to ring around her friends and my friends in Bristol to try and find out where she was, if she was with them over the weekend," he told the jury.
"I rang ALL THE PEOPLE SHE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH FRIDAY NIGHT -and any of her friends that I could think of that might have seen her''
No he did not!! The one person who would have been the obvious person to contact > Rebecca, Jo's 'best friend' GR didn't even call !! And that is just incredible in my book!
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Welcome to the biggest mystery since the disappearance of the little princes in the Tower!
Not until nearly 5 hours after he got back to their flat did Greg phone Joanna's parents in Hampshire, who told him to phone the police at once. What was he really up to in those 5 hours?
Why did the police respond to his 999 call so promptly, and rouse the other occupants of the house, all in the dead of night? Normal practice is to advise waiting till morning to see if the missing person turns up at work. Normal practice is to suspect a lover's tiff, a misunderstanding, drunkenness, or infidelity.
That first week was almost like a Punch & Judy show, with Detective Superintendant Mark Saunders - a very experienced member of the serious crime team - asking, "Where is she? This is most unusual" while the audience chorused, "It's the boyfriend!" so loudly that DCI Phil Jones was obliged to declare that Greg Reardon IS NOT A SUSPECT.
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Hi Newbie here - first post.
Followed this case from the very beginning.
In the first Daily Mail article, which is now no longer on the internet. GR said that that their cat Bernard's litter tray was stinking, but GR made no mention of a messy flat that came later!
In court GR said '"I didn't really think there was a big problem. I thought she may well have gone away visiting friends'.
So flat is in 'a mess' with 'stinky litter tray' but even though GR had not spoken to Jo since the Friday GR didn't think it was a big problem.
'"So I thought she may have been away doing fun things, so not having been able to get hold of her phone ... I wasn't sure." Is this not an odd way of speaking? 'Away doing 'fun things'??
''I went, trying to find out what she was wearing by looking at what was out''. Bizarre language. By looking at what was out GR might discover what Jo was wearing? &%+((£ @)(++(*
'Mr Reardon said that he thought his girlfriend had been locked out of the flat with all her possessions inside'.
Yet another odd statement. If Jo had been locked out, would she not have been able to contact the landlord Chris Jefferies and get back in then?
"I started to ring around her friends and my friends in Bristol to try and find out where she was, if she was with them over the weekend," he told the jury.
"I rang ALL THE PEOPLE SHE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH FRIDAY NIGHT -and any of her friends that I could think of that might have seen her''
No he did not!! The one person who would have been the obvious person to contact > Rebecca, Jo's 'best friend' GR didn't even call !! And that is just incredible in my book!
Not only the fact that he never rang Rebecca, but then went on to claim in court that he had rung all those Jo was in contact with Friday night. &%+((£
It was the police that woke Rebecca up to tell her that Jo was missing in the early hours of Monday 20 December.
Dare I need say that I do not believe that Vincent Tabak murdered Jo Yeates.
Nex GR discovers earrings one in the bed and one on the floor. Why was this even mentioned in court? Jo' was found wearing stud earrings as I recall.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boyfriends-panic-over-missing-joanna-yeates-2371910.html
Hi and welcome Francesca.... great to have more on board.... And yes indeed you may say that you do not believe that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates... I have said this loud and clear for a very long time....
The things you have mentioned I do remember being said...... But most of it went out of the window by the time it reached court.... Realistically .. Clegg should have had Greg's original statement sat in front of him if he was any kind of Lawyer....
I do remember him saying he rang around all of her friends, because it surprised me her phone didn't have a lock on it....
Have you been following our thread?? or have you just come across it???
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Welcome Francesca.
I, too, remember reading that Joanna was found with her stud earrings in place. There is no evidence that she was wearing the amethyst earrings on that Friday: she had probably just left them on her dressing table. How one came to be in her bed, and one on the floor is a mystery, as are so many things about this case.
It is possible that Greg did not ring Rebecca because she did not live in Bristol. He knew Joanna had been with certain people in the Ram pub: he probably knew them, as the landlord of the Ram pub did say that he knew both Joanna and her boyfriend. So, he probably wanted to check that she had been with them, and to ask them if she had said anything about what else she had planned to do over the weekend. He wouldn't have expected her to have seen Rebecca that weekend-----IMO.
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How do we know he wasn't lying?
Will you all please think about why a successful young man would `sign away' his life, to spend it in prison with all the perils that must go with that.
What could anyone offer a man or VT to make him say "Yup I'll throw away my life"
There is nothing that I can see that would benefit VT or any innocent party to do that on this murder charge.
Yes I know that you will come back at me with all the usual ways and how people do confess to crimes they didn't commit...... but again I'll remind you all that this is not Guantanamo Bay, it's Avon & Somerset police in Bristol, UK.
At the end of the day VT DID say he had killed Joanna Yeates and if anyone should know it's him.
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Nina the reason I had thought possible before... Was that they confused him with English Law.... And told him he would be charged under Joint Enterprise, for assisting CJ move his car off the Driveway... And after the telephone call to the Police about a car changing position... If as they say he did it because he believed CJ guilty... He therefore, would be seen as an accessory....
If he had to make a choice as to whether to go to trial for Murder and not Manslaughter... Maybe that could be a reason he chose Manslaughter... And once the Manslaughter Plea is entered into... He's scuppered.... The world and their dog knew about The Manslaughter Plea.....
He was never to know that CJ had been released from Bail... If he was told he could be charged with Joint Enterprise... maybe he thought Manslaughter was the cheaper option.....
The don't actually have to charge him under this charge... Just make him believe that we have that Law available in this country..... And as an accessory he in the eyes of the Law would be classed as just as "Responsible".. as CJ....
How is he to know what is really going on in the real world once he is locked up.... No-one did him any favours.. They used plenty of tricks before he was at trial... And during the trial (IMO)...
So who's to say they didn't threaten him that he would be on a Murder Conviction,under " Joint Enterprise" because he had helped move a car.....
Joint Enterprise has been used for years to put Innocent people away....
i'll try think of other options but it's a hard one....
Edit..... Nina i don't believe Dr Vincent Tabak ever admits to killing Joanna Yeates.... He says he is Responsible!!!
Your only other possible option is he is protecting someone.....
If it had been me in VT's position it would have been a first time arrest for me too and to tell you the truth I wouldn't have had a clue as to what was (a) going on and (b) Joint anything's. I wouldn't have known the law and I am a Brit through and through. I expect that VT must have felt the same. Did they do him for Joint whatever?
This is a man who is multilingual, has been working in the uk since 2008, was it? Is obviously very intelligent. You don't send idiots to Arab countries. He would have had to have known a bit about local law there depending on where he was, like don't ask for a drink etc., so I'm sure, that like me he would have known just enough about English law.
I think that you are splitting hairs, what's the difference, in this case, between responsible and killed? He admitted the killing in court and apologised to Mr & Mrs Yeates.
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Nina the reason I had thought possible before... Was that they confused him with English Law.... And told him he would be charged under Joint Enterprise, for assisting CJ move his car off the Driveway... And after the telephone call to the Police about a car changing position... If as they say he did it because he believed CJ guilty... He therefore, would be seen as an accessory....
If he had to make a choice as to whether to go to trial for Murder and not Manslaughter... Maybe that could be a reason he chose Manslaughter... And once the Manslaughter Plea is entered into... He's scuppered.... The world and their dog knew about The Manslaughter Plea.....
He was never to know that CJ had been released from Bail... If he was told he could be charged with Joint Enterprise... maybe he thought Manslaughter was the cheaper option.....
The don't actually have to charge him under this charge... Just make him believe that we have that Law available in this country..... And as an accessory he in the eyes of the Law would be classed as just as "Responsible".. as CJ....
How is he to know what is really going on in the real world once he is locked up.... No-one did him any favours.. They used plenty of tricks before he was at trial... And during the trial (IMO)...
So who's to say they didn't threaten him that he would be on a Murder Conviction,under " Joint Enterprise" because he had helped move a car.....
Joint Enterprise has been used for years to put Innocent people away....
i'll try think of other options but it's a hard one....
Edit..... Nina i don't believe Dr Vincent Tabak ever admits to killing Joanna Yeates.... He says he is Responsible!!!
Your only other possible option is he is protecting someone..... But if that had been the case you would have thought he'd have done that from the begining....
Did the Police let him believe that Tanja had committed this Crime ????
Double Edit... We do not know what Dr Vincent Tabak originally told police when they first went around to Flat 2 when Joanna Yeates was reported Missing.....
Did he hear anything from next door??? Did he hear a scream himself.... Did he hear arguing???? We don't know what he said..... But we do know that the Defence made sure we all knew that he couldn't hear anything because of the way the walls were....
The trouble with that is that the Floor aren't made of stone!!
It seemed strange for Clegg to get Dr Vincent Tabak to mention this detail..... But maybe Dr Vincent Tabak did hear something.....
Then all the Police would need to tell him was that Tanja never went to the party and it was an accident and the girls were fighting/ messing about...... she'd been around next door... And it was her creating an alibi with all the texts and phone calls.....
He was besotted with her.....
It's really difficult to think of anything different than him being under Duress.. to be honest.....
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
Nine, VT also admitted in court that he had set Chris Jefferies up re: the car.
Your Edit: So you do admit that VT killed Joanna Yeates.
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Nine, VT also admitted in court that he had set Chris Jefferies up re: the car.
Your Edit: So you do admit that VT killed Joanna Yeates.
No Nina i don't admit that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates at all.... I was giving you examples of what you had asked for .... Plain and simple......
I as I have said from the begining believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent.... And until someone can prove otherwise, other than that sham of a trial...(IMO).... I will not be changing my mind......
EDIT..... Let me just make it clear also.... I do not think Tanja had anything to do with this either,... before you mis-interpret what i mean..... cheers ....
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No Nina i don't admit that Dr Vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates at all.... I was giving you examples of what you had asked for .... Plain and simple......
I as I have said from the begining believe that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent.... And until someone can prove otherwise, other than that sham of a trial...(IMO).... I will not be changing my mind......
You may see it as splitting hairs... But did he actually say that he killed Joanna yeates ??? Because it makes a great difference (IMO)...
We could have said the same thing about splitting hairs when The Prosecution asked The Jury to write the word definition in their copy of the 1300 page document because it was missed out... Changing the entire ontext of what was supposed to have been searched for .....
What sound more prejudical......
Tabak search 'Sexual Conduct Or
Tabak searched Definition of Sexual Conduct???
So I believe splitting hairs is important..... If Dr Vincent Tabak had done something that say made Tanja jealous... he may have felt "Responsible"....
If believing that by moving the car for CJ.. helped in the disposal of Joanna Yeates ... he may have felt ..."Responsible"....
Show me where he actually says he killed her and I will change my opinion on that nina......
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf
Oh please Nine, just answer my question about the difference between "I killed Jo / I am responsible for her death".
It has nothing to do with the car and you do know that. All VT did was to push the car up the slight incline in the driveway, because of the snow on top of ice making life difficult for all concerned.
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I do not understand what you are trying to draw me into.... I feel i can only Interpret what Dr Vincent Tabak meant when he said he felt responsible.....
As I was not privy to the Interviews he had with the Police or his Defence Council... There is a lot of Information missing......
I believe the information that I have written on this site, gives a good insight into how OFF this case was... And having to revert to tricks to put the Dutchman away.....
If that was not the case then we would have had 'Solid Evidence " presented in court proving what Dr vincent Tabak was saying on the stand was true.....(IMO)....
A debate perhaps? Sigh.
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And I'll ask you again, what reason would VT have to throw away his life?
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Exactly Nina..... why would he go and kill his next door neighbour he didn't know within 3 days of being back in the country......
Doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone as Intelligent as Dr Vincent Tabak would do..... (IMO).....
It is all quite illogical I admit, but he came home from work and killed his neighbour, who he didn't know. But do it he did. He has admitted to this.
You have to remember that not only do most of us have normal logic and hindsight to rely on, VT I suppose had panic and adrenalin to go on.
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It is all quite illogical I admit, but he came home from work and killed his neighbour, who he didn't know. But do it he did. He has admitted to this.
You have to remember that not only do most of us have normal logic and hindsight to rely on, VT I suppose had panic and adrenalin to go on.
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Why do I always have the feeling that I am some kind of experiment?????
How do you mean?
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The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on. However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate section of the thread.
Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title. Thanks!
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The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on. However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate section of the thread.
Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title. Thanks!
Good point mrswah, the reader gets bored quickly if threads become confused. Just to add, my own view is that he pleaded guilty because he was guilty. He probably hoped he would get 6 to 8 years for accidental killing and be out in 3 or 4 years.
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The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on. However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate section of the thread.
Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title. Thanks!
Sorry guys that was my fault i didn't mean to put it there .......
Edit ... John could you just remove those posts that I have indicated are in the wrong place.... thanks.... it will tidy up the thread... thanks again..
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I thought it wise to transcribe this as thing go walkies.....
Please watch the video, to put context to transcript...
Transcript of Rebecca Scott's Interview..............
Everyone that knew Jo, absolutely loved her. She was em, (pause). Just full of life and energy erm, (Pause). she was just really bubbly,the girl has so much life left in her to live really. Erm (pause).. Just has this incredible warmth about her as well..
E.. Even people that didn't really know her but had met her, on a couple of occasions, you know they sort of equally... No not equally..but also devastated as to what's happened to her, she was instantly likeable.
Erm.. (licks lips).. you know ambitious.. young woman that had done very well for herself, and was at a very happy point in her life as well.
(licks lips).. She was very creative.. person.. erm... (licks lips).. she part part of... she loved obviously the sort of outdoors life and she was really into gardening, but she was very arty., and creative so... (pause).. you know she......Landscape.... architect, yer it was the perfect career for her to take...
I've seen Jo and Greg together, er on numerous occasions now. And.....y .. you know it's quite obvious how besotted they were with each other. Erm... you know... Jo's not someone who will move into an apartment with someone and buy a cat with someone , you know.... on a whim, it was, very clear to everyone that knew her.... her and Greg were the real deal...
(licks lips).. She told me that her and Greg were er.. travelling back to her parents house Christmas eve and we'd arranged to meet in the evening.
(Big Pause).. She phoned me on the Friday ... erm.. I travelled home for Christmas on the Sunday..(gulp).. Erm... It was about 4 O'clock in the morning I woke up. Erm.. (licks lips) And saw that there was a message, on my phone from the police... Er... Informing me that she had gone missing...
Er... Obviously they'd seen on the phone that she'd phoned me. And.. obviously wanted me to get in touch... Erm.... I immediately sort of panicked and phoned Jo...
And Greg... Greg answered the phone.... I knew something was wrong... er I think, we all did.
Erm.. (pause)(licks lips) As soon as I found out her possesions were in the flat, you know , that was it.. I knew that hadn't left the house of her own intention.
Erm (Deep Breath)... Then it was just a case really of whether she was aliv (I believe she was about to say alive!)...... still alive.... Whether she was being kept alive by someone or if she was dead really. And erm... (licks lips... looks thoughtful)... I think we all were ver.... In denial about the situation as much as we could be , but i think everybody, deep down everyone knew something was wrong... And sh... We all knew Jo and clearly she hadn't left the house of her own accord.
(Pause) It's been hard ter think about anything else since erm.. (pause) Per particularly those first few weeks... I ..I be lucky if I sort of slept (pause) at all really.... Erm.... Erm I think we were all desperate to do everything we could to get her back and erm... Myself and Emma had gone up to Bristol to erm er hand out posters and flyers erm....... (licks lips) And lots of her work colleagues were doing the same, so we all sort of got in contact, best coordinate, the sort of pulled resources and our time.
My parents knew Jo very well and they loved her to bits, erm.. you know obviously they have been concerned about myself as well. And erm.. they were quite keen to try and have some kind of a christmas, the best we could given the circumstances.
Erm..... (licks and purses lips)..
You know what when obviously when.... the the news was on con constantly... as soon as her body was found (someone speaks to her ) Yer Yer through the telly.
Myself and Emma her other close friends have been in regular contact.. Erm.. we obviously had a lot of mutual friends at home, who.. (pause) you know spent time with before attempting to return back to work.
Erm... But.. everybody's gutted... (Pause) As gutted as I was erm.. (Pause).... i knew she wasn't a A missing person she was... she'd been... she was either being held by someone Or had been murdered so.. (Big intake of breath) It was.... it was a relief... (big Pause) to know that she was ..N N N.... No more harm could have come to her (licks lips).
Erm... Well it should be fairly clear to everyone how desperate her family are, (licks lips)... That justice is...... some, sort of justice can be done.. Erm...... And... obviously if anybody (pause)... that might have information that hasn't yet been in contact with the police. The... I just beg that they might just do that...
Erm... Even if you may not have even seen or...... know anything that you might have noticed a friend or family member acting suspiciously. Erm.. er er .. obviously P Please again report that to the police and erm...
I'm sure if that was your friends lying there that had been found on Christmas day ,you would want others to do the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5Kt94oXos
I wonder what body language experts would make of her shaking her head...
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Two Interesting early BBC Reports ...
Police examine CCTV of missing architect
Police are examining CCTV footage for clues following the disappearance of a woman reported missing from her Bristol home five days ago.
Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen on 17 December after drinks with colleagues in a pub.
Detectives believe she then returned to her flat as receipts from nearby Tesco and Waitrose supermarkets were found there.
The BBC's Andy Moore reports.
23 Dec 2010
From the section UK
Where is the Waitrose receipt??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12065785/police-examine-cctv-of-missing-architect
Mountain Rescue were out on the 22nd December 2010
Forensics Officers have spent a second day at the Flat, looking for clues, we understood that Joanna's Purse keys and phone were all inside
So on the 21st December Forensic Officers were already working inside the flat...
Image 1:... Trying to understand where that fence is the Forensic Officer is walking past??
Image 2: Why on the 22nd December 2010 are the Police stood outside The Bay Window which is supposed
to be Dr Vincent Tabak's flat????
I know some don't think the Bay Window is important... But I do.... 8)--))
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12062830/police-search-cliffs-for-missing-architect
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Reports on the 23rd December 2010 say that the last image of Joanna Yeates captured by CCTV was of her going into Waitrose..
Now they already knew about Tesco.... So when did the order of her shops change ???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12066099/yeates-family-believe-their-daughter-was-abducted
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Reports on the 23rd December 2010 say that the last image of Joanna Yeates captured by CCTV was of her going into Waitrose..
Now they already knew about Tesco.... So when did the order of her shops change ???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12066099/yeates-family-believe-their-daughter-was-abducted
This report has to be wrong: Tesco express is in Clifton village, and Waitrose is further away. She would have gone to Waitrose first. There is CCTV of her in Tesco, and also in Bargain Booze, as well as in Waitrose.
I hadn't heard about a Waitrose receipt before: I'd always understood that she didn't buy anything there.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12062830/police-search-cliffs-for-missing-architect
What made the Search and Rescue start looking for Joanna Yeates at the "Stoke Bishop end of the Avon Gorge to The Observatory...??
Why The Observatory ??
Why Stoke Bishop??
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I found this article about Dr Vincent Tabak's appearance in court on the 20th September 2011
Jo Yeates murder suspect Vincent Tabak appears in court
20 September 2011
The man accused of murdering Bristol landscape architect Jo Yeates has appeared in court.
Vincent Tabak, 33, spoke only to confirm his name at the 27-minute pre-trial hearing at Bristol Crown Court.
Miss Yeates's parents David and Teresa attended the hearing, arriving at the court accompanied by two police officers.
Dutch architect Tabak has admitted the manslaughter of 25-year-old Miss Yeates, but denies murdering her.
The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.
The hearing was held to finalise arrangements for his trial, which is due to begin on 4 October.
The case was adjourned until the trial date and Tabak was remanded in custody.
Tabak lived next to Miss Yeates in the Clifton area of Bristol.
Miss Yeates, who grew up in Ampfield, Hampshire, disappeared on 17 December after going for Christmas drinks with colleagues.
Her snow-covered body was found in Longwood Lane, Failand, by dog walkers on Christmas Day, eight days after she was reported missing.
The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.
Is that how "Murder Charges" are normally entered into?
It doesn't say anything about a signed statement... He just says his name.... I was surprised tha Mr and Mrs Yeates were there again...
What else happened at that 27 minute hearing??? Did they discuss the porn ??? Did the Yeates hear about the Porn???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14990517
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I found this article about Dr Vincent Tabak's appearance in court on the 20th September 2011
The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.
Is that how "Murder Charges" are normally entered into?
It doesn't say anything about a signed statement... He just says his name.... I was surprised tha Mr and Mrs Yeates were there again...
What else happened at that 27 minute hearing??? Did they discuss the porn ??? Did the Yeates hear about the Porn???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14990517
Four security guards escorted Vincent Tabak into the dock of courtroom six at Bristol Crown Court for the pre-trial hearing - his first court appearance in person after his plea to Guilty of Manslaughter had been entered. This hearing had originally been scheduled for July.
The greying 33-year-old defendant wore glasses, a white shirt, blue tie and dark suit for the 30-minute hearing before Judge Martin Picton. The Detective Chief Inspector who led the Avon and Somerset investigation, Phil Jones, sat behind the barristers and immediately in front of the defendant. Vincent Tabak, who sat hunched in the dock, spoke only once. The clerk asked him: “Are you Vincent Tabak?” He replied: “Yes I am.” He was charged with unlawfully killing Joanna Yeates between 16th and 19th December 2010.
Prosecutor Nigel Lickley QC told the court that the trial would include what he called a “digital presentation”, and a site visit by jurors, who would walk the part of the route that Joanna is alleged to have taken on her last Friday evening from the Hophouse pub in Clifton to 44 Canynge Road. He evidently raised 11 points with the defence team, but none of these was disputed.
The defence also agreed to accept the alleged fibre match unconditionally.
Judge Picton had been expecting to see an enhanced defence statement on 19th September 2011. He made an order for it to be submitted by Vincent Tabak’s legal team by 4 p.m. on 23rd September 2011.
This could be one of the occasions when Mr Lickley made a failed application to talk about the porn or the prostitutes. This is believed to be the first time Joanna's parents set eyes on Vincent Tabak in person.
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Four security guards escorted Vincent Tabak into the dock of courtroom six at Bristol Crown Court for the pre-trial hearing - his first court appearance in person after his plea to Guilty of Manslaughter had been entered. This hearing had originally been scheduled for July.
The greying 33-year-old defendant wore glasses, a white shirt, blue tie and dark suit for the 30-minute hearing before Judge Martin Picton. The Detective Chief Inspector who led the Avon and Somerset investigation, Phil Jones, sat behind the barristers and immediately in front of the defendant. Vincent Tabak, who sat hunched in the dock, spoke only once. The clerk asked him: “Are you Vincent Tabak?” He replied: “Yes I am.” He was charged with unlawfully killing Joanna Yeates between 16th and 19th December 2010.
Prosecutor Nigel Lickley QC told the court that the trial would include what he called a “digital presentation”, and a site visit by jurors, who would walk the part of the route that Joanna is alleged to have taken on her last Friday evening from the Hophouse pub in Clifton to 44 Canynge Road. He evidently raised 11 points with the defence team, but none of these was disputed.
The defence also agreed to accept the alleged fibre match unconditionally.
Judge Picton had been expecting to see an enhanced defence statement on 19th September 2011. He made an order for it to be submitted by Vincent Tabak’s legal team by 4 p.m. on 23rd September 2011.
This could be one of the occasions when Mr Lickley made a failed application to talk about the porn or the prostitutes. This is believed to be the first time Joanna's parents set eyes on Vincent Tabak in person.
Why would Mr and Mrs Yeates be there ?? It seems wrong (IMO)... It's a pre trial hearing, anything that is not admissible would probably be argued..
If this was when the porn was introduced, then Mr and Mrs Yeates would have heard all about it... That in itself seems wrong... If something hasn't been proven how can the Yeates family hear about it....??
The prosecution could have said anything at a pre-trial hearing... doesn't make it true....
I thought the whole point of a pre- trial was to argue out what would and would not be admissible in court... whether witness's were incompetent etc...
Mr and Mrs Yeates should NOT have been there.... Is that even legal???
The only reason I can see the Prosecution having Mr and Mrs Yeates there was to convince them that Dr Vincent Tabak was indeed the person who killed there daughter, because they heard about the Porn...
Who's to say that they didn't mention the child porn at this time.... which of course would be inadmissible... but would put into the minds of the Yeates that Dr Vincent Tabak was the monster that killed their lovely daughter....
I thought Pre-Trial hearings went on behind closed doors.... And only the Defendant was present....
leonora... How many times have they flouted the law? Because virtually everything seems to be irregular in this case! (IMO)
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Why would Mr and Mrs Yeates be there ?? It seems wrong (IMO)... It's a pre trial hearing, anything that is not admissible would probably be argued..
If this was when the porn was introduced, then Mr and Mrs Yeates would have heard all about it... That in itself seems wrong... If something hasn't been proven how can the Yeates family hear about it....??
The prosecution could have said anything at a pre-trial hearing... doesn't make it true....
I thought the whole point of a pre- trial was to argue out what would and would not be admissible in court... whether witness's were incompetent etc...
Mr and Mrs Yeates should NOT have been there.... Is that even legal???
The only reason I can see the Prosecution having Mr and Mrs Yeates there was to convince them that Dr Vincent Tabak was indeed the person who killed there daughter, because they heard about the Porn...
Who's to say that they didn't mention the child porn at this time.... which of course would be inadmissible... but would put into the minds of the Yeates that Dr Vincent Tabak was the monster that killed their lovely daughter....
I thought Pre-Trial hearings went on behind closed doors.... And only the Defendant was present....
leonora... How many times have they flouted the law? Because virtually everything seems to be irregular in this case! (IMO)
Whoa, slow down there! The only illegal act as far as I know was denying Vincent Tabak any visitors until after Peter Brotherton had secured those conversations, which were presumably tape-recorded without the prisoner's knowledge. There were six preliminary hearings, all of them public. This is normal practice. Closed hearings are the exception.
However, the Old Bailey plea & case management hearing was closed to the members of the public who most wished to attend, namely those from Bristol. Holding it in London meant that the Bristol journalists left coverage to the national press, who wouldn't have noticed whether it was Vincent Tabak or an imposter on the video screens. It was a big press event because of the plea, so Mr & Mrs Yeates were escorted all the way to London for the occasion. It is very likely that the porn & prostitutes were fed to the press and Joanna's parents on 5 May too.
20th September was also meant to be a big press event, when Vincent Tabak's defence handed over his "enhanced statement" to the Crown. So Mr & Mrs Yeates also had to be escorted from Hampshire to Bristol. But it became a non-event because VT had not signed the statement - either because he was reluctant to go along with the conspiracy, or because of a disagreement about terms between Mr Clegg and Mr Lickley.
It is unlikely that the porn or prostitutes raised their heads again at the 20th September hearing, as the future jury members might have got to hear about them.
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What is it with "ColdPlay" ??? Now I wouldn't have even thought anything about it , But we have this video from 13th October 2011 which mentions "ColdPlay" and we have the Express Article That should have been about The Yeates , but It talks about "ColdPlay", with a picture of Joanna Yeates Parents there.. slap bang in the middle of the article???
They found many of Miss Yeates personal possessions as they were left last December,in the living room there was still Christmas tinsel up. There was er, some unopened crackers in a box. Some wrapping paper with snow men on.
Work files with the name Jo Yeates, handwritten on the spine. DVD's from the comedy series Red Dwarf, stickers from the rock band Cold Play
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-15298038/trial-jury-shown-jo-yeates-flat
Here's the article from the express in case it walks... I have also attached a screenshot of The Page..
COLDPLAY have teamed up with celebrated photographer-turned-filmmaker ANTON CORBIJN to turn an upcoming Spanish concert into a global event.
By JAME MURRAY AND HILARY DOUGLAS
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011
The group will livestream a 26 October (11) concert from Madrid on YouTube.com and they've selected Corbijn to direct the show as part of the online series American Express Unstaged.
The concert will take place two days after the band releases its latest album Mylo Xyloto.
Frontman Chris Martin quips, "Until we can come to a video as good as Single Ladies by Beyonce, we have to rely on just the meat and vegetables of playing songs live, and this is just a nice way of doing it for a few more people at once."
Corbijn, who is best known for his work with Joy Division and Depeche Mode, has directed several Coldplay videos.
The only thing that Coldplay, could have to do with something is a song they wrote called Yellow... yellow seems to be important in this case ..(IMO)
"Yellow" is a song by British rock band Coldplay. The band wrote the song and co-produced it with British record producer Ken Nelson for their debut album, Parachutes (2000). The song's lyrics are a reference to the band's lead singer Chris Martin's unrequited love.
Going back to when i said that there was something handed in by the public.... Was it a poem with Jo's name on it???
The Police originally believed she was stalked and there has always been the possibility that someone was interested in her, even though she was with Greg...
So is the "Coldplay" reference to a person who was possibly stalking Joanna Yeates ??
ANTON CORBIJN :
Anton Johannes Gerrit Corbijn van Willenswaard is a Dutch photographer, music video director, and film director.
Nearly brings me full circle.... Did The Sobbing Girl, mention something about a Dutchman?? Because I'm sure there is more than 1 Dutchman in Bristol... Or was it there little joke to themselves ??
But I think the article may be referring to 3 songs...
Coldplays.... "Viva La Viva"..
Depeche Modes ..... Enjoy the silence
And Beyonce "All The Single Ladies"..
If these songs have meaning... I'm going into the realms of something, that I'm not sure of.....
ANTON CORBIJN: "Coldplay" Viva la Viva"... Has a King surveying kingdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVxpsi1XQ4&list=PLFgquLnL59anqRb7APKdhdfvG-aLfcQT3&index=10
ANTON CORBIJN; "Depeche Modes video. is based on "The Little Prince"..
tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlNLFBsoso
ANTON CORBIJN: has photographed Beyonce .. But The Article refers to "All The Single ladies" (should have put a ring on it)..
And not forgetting "Joy Division"... The film directed by Anton Corbijin: "Control"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c2_B_cWK_M
What is it all saying???
Normally when something like a "Murder" happens , you get them all creeping out of the woodwork...
But I noticed that NO EX BOYFRIENDS of Joanna Yeates came out.... And her mum does say in a videoed intervieew that she had a good relationship with all her EX's..
So.. Is this all referring to an Ex... An Ex in a powerful position... ??
I know we shouldn't speculate.. but... all of the imagery and all of the media articles must mean something (IMO)... Why on earth would you put a "ColdPlay Article with The Greiving Parents Picture of Joanna Yeates ???
And someone losing control....
I believe there are always stories within stories... Is This what the media are saying????
Someone lost control of Joanna Yeates ... Couldn't have her anymore... And she gave them the Kiss Off??
There are so many articles of how Jo and Greg were perfect for each other... Maybe that was there to wind someone up... I don't know ... But I do know (IMO)... That the Express Article is there for a purpose.... whether you all agree with me or not....!
So which King lost his Kingdom???
Which King lost Control??
Which King wouldn't commit to Joanna Yeates ????? Oh yes... lets not forget "The Stickers"!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlNLFBsoso
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leonora.... I remember you wondering when when the Search And Rescue Team were called out... I have found this info on there web page ...
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40 ASC Log No. 0032 (20/12/10). 22/23/24 December 2010. The search and technical rescue team were called to assist the police with an ongoing search for a missing female in Clifton, Bristol. The persons house was very close to the Avon Gorge, so a thorough search of the woods, cliffs and other steep ground was required. The search and rescue team was on call for 72 hours, but unfortunately nothing of significance was found. The search was hampered by heavy snow fall and extremely low temperatures. Ice axes were issued to team members as a safety precaution. The team was stood down on 24th December at 14:00.
So it looks like they were looking straight away..... It states the 20th December 2010 that the request was logged with them... That is the same day as Greg Reardon reported Joanna Yeates "Missing" What were they waiting for to respond 2 days later ???? What did they know ???
What I also do not understand, is why they were told to stand down at 2:00pm on the 24th December 2010??
There seems no logical explanation for this.... (IMO) Did they find Joanna Yeates before the 25th December 2010.. ?? I have always thought that this is a possibility...
There News feed has nothing on the case ......
http://www.assar.org.uk/call-outs/page/9/
http://www.assar.org.uk/as-sar-operation-braid/
http://www.assar.org.uk/news/page/13/
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leonora.... I remember you wondering when when the Search And Rescue Team were called out... I have found this info on there web page ...
So it looks like they were looking straight away..... It states the 20th December 2010 that the request was logged with them... That is the same day as Greg Reardon reported Joanna Yeates "Missing" What were they waiting for to respond 2 days later ???? What did they know ???
What I also do not understand, is why they were told to stand down at 2:00pm on the 24th December 2010??
There seems no logical explanation for this.... (IMO) Did they find Joanna Yeates before the 25th December 2010.. ?? I have always thought that this is a possibility...
There News feed has nothing on the case ......
http://www.assar.org.uk/call-outs/page/9/
http://www.assar.org.uk/as-sar-operation-braid/
http://www.assar.org.uk/news/page/13/
I expect they were knackered and if they hadn’t found anything in the area allocated there would be little point continuing.
AH
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Does anyone remember the telegraph I believe ...doing a reconstruction with a model walking home like Joanna Yeates?? (The images say ... Re-enactment)
I have found these images : They have the woman walking past 37 Canygne Road in the opposite direction Joanna Yeates would have gone ...
Unless... these are saying she left the flat???
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While i am at it... Does anyone know the name of this Police Officer ??
Image attached
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How many cars needed Jump starting on Canygne Road that evening?
Most left the gathering between 11pm and midnight. A man helping to jump-start a woman’s car outside her flat at around 8pm was reported, but is not believed to be significant.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html#ixzz4u4LrlQwV
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11:10, 23 December 2010
‘Then when I arrived home it was obvious our cat had been left on his own and was going mad. I waited up for her until about midnight and then when she didn’t return I started to get really worried.
‘I went through her bag, which she had left on the table and found it had all the stuff she would need to take with her, things like her purse and her keys.
‘I called the police and reported her missing and also phoned her parents.
No where here does Greg mention finding her phone.... But waiting up till midnight.... Did he find her phone or not??
We then have 3 hours of wondering where she is..... without doing anything...
Well... if her purse and keys were in her bag.. she didn't necessarily need them.... she was aware that Greg was due back on the Sunday, so he would let her in...
I don't know what it was that he found.. but he is describing nothing too unusual... She must have had her phone... maybe she didn't answer it....
He came back from a weekend away... she wasn't there... her clothes had changed... He doesn't even mention the coat she wore in this article ... It is the Police who mention the coat....
He doesn't mention calling the friends that she was last in contact with... Or CJ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html
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This has just occurred to me:
We were always told in newspaper reports that Joanna had come home, and drunk a few sips of cider from one of the bottles she had bought in Bargain Booze on Friday 17th December 2010.
Later, Greg said that he finished the bottle on his return from Sheffield.
Therefore, Greg must have finished the bottle before the police became involved , and before Greg realised that Joanna's absence was sinister.
Therefore, how can anyone know for sure that Joanna had opened the bottle of cider? How can we know that it was her who drank from the bottle? Was the bottle tested for DNA? Did Greg merely assume that it was Joanna who had drunk from it?
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This has just occurred to me:
We were always told in newspaper reports that Joanna had come home, and drunk a few sips of cider from one of the bottles she had bought in Bargain Booze on Friday 17th December 2010.
Later, Greg said that he finished the bottle on his return from Sheffield.
Therefore, Greg must have finished the bottle before the police became involved , and before Greg realised that Joanna's absence was sinister.
Therefore, how can anyone know for sure that Joanna had opened the bottle of cider? How can we know that it was her who drank from the bottle? Was the bottle tested for DNA? Did Greg merely assume that it was Joanna who had drunk from it?
I agree mrswah... They should have tested it... But by saying Greg drunk from the bottle they are implying that the DNA on it would be useless...
Originally she had drunk, or someone else had drunk half of this bottle and when it came to court it becomes a sip...
by Anorak | 29th, December 2010
The Sun (front page): “DID JO KNOW HER KILLER?”
Dunno. The Sun says she bough two bottle of cider and a pizza before returning home. One bottle had been opened and half of it drunk. The pizza is missing.
Now why did the Police release this important piece of Evidence ??? I found it most odd... They divulge so much about the case, so early on in the investigation...
By the time we go to trial.. they make it appear that she had a wee sip and didn't have time to drink it, because they are trying to make it appear that she wasn't in the Flat long enough to have drunk any more than that....(IMO)
But what they fail in that exercise as you have pointed out mrswah, is that it might not have been Joanna Yeates who actually opened the cider or drank the cider...
It's like covering their tracks........ (IMO) Because everything in that Flat at that time was potential evidence...
What it makes me think... Is someone within the Police was leaking information to force whoever was in charge to explain away what information that had been given to the media.... Maybe we would never have heard about the Cider being drunk at trial if it hadn't come out in the media beforehand..
DCI Phil Jones says... From The Judge Rinder program at 17:34
There were two bottles of cider, one of which had been opened and a swig had been taken.
Sip ?? Swig?? Half drunk??
They all make us think something completely different... And these 3 descriptions are about time... How much time had passed whilst she was in her flat....
I cannot find when it first said that Greg had drunk out of the bottle of cider, i don't know the date of the report in the media...
These events below are the dates of important things taking place and the dates they are reported in the media......
28th December.. Greg is a witness not a suspect
29th December.. Cider being drunk is revealed
29th December.. CJ rings the Police
29th December.. Blue Door is removed
29th December.. Access panel is removed
29th December.. CCTV Footage of her in Bargain Booze is released
29th December.. New Pictures released, Birthday/ And with Bernard/And the spider picture
29th December.. Police seize Greg Reardons mobile phone and computer
29th December.. First time Temple mead station is mentioned./Police at Kenneth Steele House
29th December...Police say the Joanna Yeates may have known her killer
29th December.. It's revealed how many bottles of Cider she purchased
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12089150
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-investigation-boyfriend-271924
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8230065/Joanna-Yeates-murder-timeline.html
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4htq8y
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Yes, it seems to me that Joanna having drunk some of the cider would imply that she was not at home for long enough to finish it, but, more importantly, that she did get home. This is what, IMO, the police wanted us all to think.
However, this cannot be proved. If Greg did find an open bottle and decided to finish it, as he said, he probably did so well before Joanna's parents arrived, so Greg would have been the only person to have seen this partially drunk bottle. I am NOT suggesting that Greg lied, but I would say that unless traces of both Joanna's and Greg's saliva (and nobody else's)were found on the bottle, we cannot be sure who drank the cider.
Was the bottle ever tested? We have never heard that it was.
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Continuing with reports and what was revealed at what time ...
30th December.. CJ arrested
30th December... Screams heard
30th December... The amounts of money homes cost is mentioned
30th December... CJ's car is seized
30th December... Reports there is 6 Flats in Canygne Road
30th December ...The basement Flat is described as Communal
30th December.. The Party is described as being in a Flat Opposite Joanna Yeates
30th December.. Reported that a man helped jump start a womans car
30th December... Reported that two high-pitched noises could be connected and give a possible time of her attack
30th December.... Police ask party goer to describe what they were wearing??
30th December ... Reports that Police are ripping up Floor Boards
30th December... Geoffrey Hardyman is first mentioned
31st December.. Peter Stanley is first mentioned
31st December.. Peter Stanley is interviewed
31st December.. Peter Stanleys car is driven away
31st December.. Forensics are taken from Peter Stanleys house
31st December.. Peter Stanley tells us he helped start Joanna Yeates car on the night she vanished
31st December.. Police say Peter Stanley is a witness!
31st December.. Glenis Caruthers Case is mentioned
31st December.. reports that Inquiries had spread to the building next door
31st December.. Peter Stanley mention CJ starting the car
31st December.. We see Peter Stanleys Jeep
31st December.. Officer remove items from Peter Stanleys aparment but stress he's a witness
31st December... Forensics had stripped both of the Flats but were still searching the building
31st December... Jumps Leads are mentioned
31st December... Neighbours describe CJ as a pillar of society
31st December.. Peter Stanley is Interviewed as a potential witness
31st December.. Police say no Forensic examination has been carried out at Peter Stanleys...
Why would the Police remove Forensic items from Peter Stanleys if they insist he is a witness... What would be in Peter Stanleys house and 44, Canygne Road that connects the 2 properties??
The only thing that the two properties would have in common (IMO).. Is the Post I can't think of anything else that they would have in common for The Police to take items away and still insist that he is a witness and they didn't Forensically examine his house..
The only other thing they took was Peter Stanleys Car.. Apparently he took it to the Police Station and he was brought back in an unmarked Police Car... What where they looking for with Peter Stanleys Car??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343233/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-Prof-Strange-quizzed-police.html
https://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-murder-landlord-still-being-questioned
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/chris-jefferies-from-pillar-of-the-community-to-suspect-in-joanna-yeates-murder-inquiry-28579110.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12097577
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Was the bottle ever tested? We have never heard that it was.
It should have been tested mrswah... But anything of importance was left out of this case.... (IMO)..
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Can someone tell me the Time it was first reported on the news that Joanna Yeates had been found....
I know it's the 25th December 2010...
But I first thought that it was around 13:00 hrs that sky news did their report.... Was there an earlier report??
Someone confirm please ... I don't want newspaper reports ... I need it to be when it was reported on the TV News.. thank you... It could be significant..
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Joanna Yeates murder: Why haven't cops viewed CCTV near the murder scene?
Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.
Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.
Two cameras at the Redwood Hotel point out to the road which her murderer would almost certainly have driven along.
Management at the hotel - adjacent to Longwood Lane where Jo’s frozen body was found on Christmas Day – claimed detectives hadn’t asked for footage from the cameras.
Duty manager Sue Card said in a statement: “The police did not come here on Christmas Day. The police have not seen any of our CCTV footage and nor have they ever asked to.”
But police are adamant they DID visit the hotel on December 25th and say they were told the cameras weren’t working.
The article goes on to say.....
The apparent confusion over the cameras - which are pointed at the entrance and exit and aimed out towards the road - comes amid criticism in some quarters of the Avon and Somerset force’s investigation into Jo’s death.
Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.
“We were told that a new company had taken over the CCTV and that the cameras were up but not recording. We have been to the hotel during the weeks that Jo was missing and been given lists of people who were at the hotel. We are working through those lists now.”
So what Information had the Police been given when Joanna yeates was still a "Missing Person" for them to go to the Redwood Hotel?
Again....
Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.
If they had reason to go to the Redwood Hotel early on in the Investigation, why wasn't the search in that area... who told them that Joanna Yeates could have been at the Redwood Hotel??
If it was not Joanna yeates that they were looking for on the CCTV it had to be a Car (imo).. It's the only other logical answer, therefore meaning that they had a possible suspect early on in the Investigation...
So who's car were they looking for?? It cannot have been the car that Dr Vincent Tabak drove, or it would have come to trial as evidence ....
What or whom were the Police looking for on the CCTV from the Redwood Hotel whilst Joanna Yeates was still a "Missing Person???? And why The Redwood Hotel?? They must have followed "A" car from A to B to come to that area.... Remember before the CCTV at Clifton Suspension Bridge was suddenly too grainy to see anything, they had Interviewed someone, if my memory serves me correctly.... So I believe they could have quite possibly have followed that cars movements...
It cannot be coincidence that the Police, check the Redwood Hotel CCTV footage whilst Joanna Yeates is still "Missing" and Joanna Yeates is found in that area of Bristol...
What did the Police know that they never divulged.... There has to be a connection to someone in that area, and it wasn't Dr Vincent Tabak...!
“We were told that a new company had taken over the CCTV and that the cameras were up but not recording. We have been to the hotel during the weeks that Jo was missing and been given lists of people who were at the hotel. We are working through those lists now.”
So they also took a list of people who were at the HOTEL! Why???... she was "Missing" and apparently no-one knows her movements.... Yet the Police have Information to the contrary!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/joanna-yeates-murder-why-havent-cops-173802
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From the News footage I have linked..... the description says....
Joanna Yeates murder: Police investigation continues
Joanna Yeates murder: Police investigation continues; ENGLAND: Somerset: Bristol: EXT/NIGHT Blurred shots of people along street (where murdered landscape architect Joanna Yeates was last seen alive)
Now watching the Footage I did notice a "Bench Clothing Sign"...
WestWorld.. a shop who's address is.. 35-37 Park Street, sold "Bench Clothing"
But that clip is not on "Park Street".....
Firstly there is a huge display advert, which touches the ground, that looks more in keeping for a shopping centre...
Secondly... To the left of the lady in red... There appears to be a staircase and a slopped area for bicycles.. (image 3) You can make out the people on the stairs...
Thirdly..... The man smoking walking down the street, above him to the left we can see people high up... They appear to be on a stair case... (image4)
Going back to "Bench" House of Fraser at cabot Circus sell "Bench Clothing" There is also a "Nero cafe" near by....
Colin Port told the Leveson that Joanna Yeates was seen on "Nero Cafe's CCTV... He didn't tell us which one... He let us believe it was the one near The Hop House Pub..... But was it???
Was Joanna Yeates at Cabot Circus?? Is this footage from there ?? I don't know Bristol so I can't say... But I can say the footage is NOT "Park Street"...
So where is all the Footage of Joanna Yeates ??
And is the reason the footage blurred... because it isn't Park Street where she was supposed to be... But a shopping Centre... looking at the images we can see!!!
Had Joanna Yeates been given a lift??
What do we really know about Joanna Yeates Journey that evening???!
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-investigation-continues-england-somerset-bristol-news-footage/655299668
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By DAILY EXPRESS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011
Did Joanna Yeates leaving early give killer a chance?
JO YEATES may have survived if she had stayed celebrating Christmas with her colleagues in a Bristol pub, it emerged yesterday.
Her female friends later took taxis home, but police fear Jo may have met, or been seen by, her killer while walking to her flat. On December 17, the night she vanished, Jo left the Bristol Ram pub at 8pm, while the others stayed on.
Men in the group grew concerned about some of the younger women as the night wore on, and called cabs for them. A source at Jo’s architect company, BDP, said: “No one was particularly concerned about Jo as she called it a night and left just after 8pm, very respectably early for a Christmas night out. Had she stayed put, she would have been included in the cab run which saw the girls safely home.”
Something must have been going on?? Why are the men in the pub concerned for the womans safety?? If there had been some kind of risk in the area, surely Joanna Yeates wouldn't have walked all the way home on her own?
Police are not sure precisely which route Jo took, but the Sunday Express has established that she spent at least 20 minutes in the busy Regent Street area. Now detectives are asking: did she meet her killer in Regent Street or was it there that a stalker targeted her?
Officers are also investigating whether she spent any time at The Clifton in Regent Street, a popular pub 10 minutes from her home.
The Sunday Express can also reveal that Jo walked past a row of taxis in Clifton Down Road, five minutes from The Clifton.
One taxi driver who believes he saw her has contacted the police. A fellow cabbie said: “If she had got a cab from the rank she could well be alive today.”
The taxi driver believes he saw her...Where exactly was this Taxi?? why hasn't that been checked? we don't know what time this is that the taxi driver is talking about.. Did she walk or get a bus along clifton down?? the bus route would stop at the top of Percival Road,.. making screams that are heard on that road more believeable.. Or did she take a detour to meet someone??
Did she meet someone at Clifton Station??
Glenis Caruthers... Don't think it was a complete red herring.. Maybe them mentioning her and Bristol Zoo was more to do with the route that Joanna Yeates took... She appears to be wandering about aimlessly. And they did check CCTV there..
Bristol Zoo has handed over CCTV tapes to detectives from the night Joanna Yeates vanished.
I think we get an alternative route for Joanna Yeates...
Remember when I posted about the images from the media showing a shopping centre.. well maybe there was a reason for that!
Did Joanna Yeates get a bus on to "White Ladies Road to Clifton Down Station , where there would be a Taxi Rank??
Alternative route home...
* Bus on White ladies Road or lift ?
* Go past the shopping centre, maybe goes in
* Arrives at Clifton Down Station
* Doesn't take a Taxi, probably meet someone and got a lift
* Drives back to Canygne Road
* Passes Bristol Zoo
* Didn't arrive home as there is "NO" CCTV of her on Canygne Road
So are we know looking for the CCTV from The train Station to her home?? Colin Port said "The Hop House Pub was the last know CCTV... She could easily have got a lift or a bus from there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz55HmSpvGk
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/223431/Did-Joanna-Yeates-leaving-early-give-killer-a-chance
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Believing that the media knew more than they were saying, this article ,then makes sesne... It was written on the 24th December 2010..
Police searching for missing architect Jo Yeates discover a woman's body
By Daily Mail Reporter
CREATED: 14:38, 24 December 2010
Discovery made about four miles from the missing architect's flat
No official identification made as pathologist is called to the scene
Grim find made early this morning by a couple walking their dog
Joanna Yeates
Missing: Joanna Yeates. The body of a young woman has been found on a snow-covered verge
Police searching for missing Jo Yeates say they have found a woman's body close to a golf course.
No identification has been made on the body which was discovered about four miles from the flat she shared with her boyfriend.
The discovery was made today by a couple walking their dogs in the Failand area of North Somerset, an Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said.
A force spokesman said: 'At 9am this morning a couple walking their dogs found the body of a young woman in a roadside verge in Longwood Lane in the Failand area of North Somerset.
'The area has been cordoned off and Longwood Lane has been closed at both ends by police, pending an examination of the scene by crime scene investigators.
'A pathologist will be attending the scene to examine the body.
Now why would they produce that article. a day before we Officially told she had been found???
They had found her before... !!! Everything in this case is staged!!! (imo)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341452/Jo-Yeates-murder-Police-search-missing-architect-finds-womans-body.html#ixzz55J72EDcE
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Believing that the media knew more than they were saying, this article ,then makes sesne... It was written on the 24th December 2010..
Now why would they produce that article. a day before we Officially told she had been found???
They had found her before... !!! Everything in this case is staged!!! (imo)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341452/Jo-Yeates-murder-Police-search-missing-architect-finds-womans-body.html#ixzz55J72EDcE
Have you forgotten to take your medicine? Of course the article wasn't written on Xmas eve - it was written over an earlier article about the case, and some inebriated sub-editor forgot to reset the date.
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By DAILY EXPRESS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Jan 16, 2011
Something must have been going on?? Why are the men in the pub concerned for the womans safety?? If there had been some kind of risk in the area, surely Joanna Yeates wouldn't have walked all the way home on her own?
The taxi driver believes he saw her...Where exactly was this Taxi?? why hasn't that been checked? we don't know what time this is that the taxi driver is talking about.. Did she walk or get a bus along clifton down?? the bus route would stop at the top of Percival Road,.. making screams that are heard on that road more believeable.. Or did she take a detour to meet someone??
Did she meet someone at Clifton Station??
Glenis Caruthers... Don't think it was a complete red herring.. Maybe them mentioning her and Bristol Zoo was more to do with the route that Joanna Yeates took... She appears to be wandering about aimlessly. And they did check CCTV there..
I think we get an alternative route for Joanna Yeates...
Remember when I posted about the images from the media showing a shopping centre.. well maybe there was a reason for that!
Did Joanna Yeates get a bus on to "White Ladies Road to Clifton Down Station , where there would be a Taxi Rank??
Alternative route home...
* Bus on White ladies Road or lift ?
* Go past the shopping centre, maybe goes in
* Arrives at Clifton Down Station
* Doesn't take a Taxi, probably meet someone and got a lift
* Drives back to Canygne Road
* Passes Bristol Zoo
* Didn't arrive home as there is "NO" CCTV of her on Canygne Road
So are we know looking for the CCTV from The train Station to her home?? Colin Port said "The Hop House Pub was the last know CCTV... She could easily have got a lift or a bus from there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346836/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Bristol-Zoo-CCTV-footage-used-hunt-murderer.html#ixzz55HmSpvGk
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/223431/Did-Joanna-Yeates-leaving-early-give-killer-a-chance
It is all intended to preempt William Clegg's defence - that Joanna would still be alive today IF she had just done this, just done the other, just not done that, etc. The media have been harnessed to perish the thought that Joanna was killed by someone who wanted Joanna dead, and not just any petite blonde who happened to be within strangling distance. Think £40,000 in her bank account. Think devoted boyfriend whose body language signals something different. Think very very very very vague landlord who saw persons on her front path close to the time of her murder.
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Just noticed this leonora...
Field told the panel that if anything "unsettling" happened during the trial they should report it to the usher. He said the prosecution would open the case against Tabak on Monday. On Tuesday they would be taken on a bus from Bristol crown court to "various locations" connected to the case.
The judge released the jury until next week and advised them to put the case "entirely from your mind until Monday morning when you're back in court and the trial will proceed".
Tuesday would be the 11th October 2011 but we are told that the jury visit on the 12th October 2011, So they had 1 whole day in which to change the flat from what the jury apparently saw to when the media went in on their little tour...!!!
We know that the media manipulated what happened at this trial... So did they hold on to report the jury visit... Or did the jury not actually visit the flat??
We have reporting from the trial on Tuesday the 11th October 2011..
Joanna Yeates suffered 43 injuries in a prolonged ‘violent struggle’ as she fought for her life, a jury heard yesterday.
Marks on the 25-year-old’s body were said to be consistent with her being pinned down and strangled with both hands by her 6ft 4in neighbour Vincent Tabak. Tabak admits the manslaughter of Miss Yeates but denies her murder.
Yesterday, on the second day of his murder trial, the jury at Bristol Crown Court heard described in harrowing detail the final moments of the landscape architect’s life.
Why would the day of the Jury visit be changed and not reported that it had been changed??... Was it changed ??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047800/Vincent-Tabak-trial-Joanna-Yeates-suffered-43-injuries-slow-painful-death.html#ixzz55seRDsl1
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/06/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-jury
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/12/joanna-yeates-jury-visit-flat
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@stevenmorris20
Thu 6 Oct 2011 14.20 BST
A jury has been sworn in to hear the trial of Vincent Tabak, the man accused of murdering the Bristol landscape architect Joanna Yeates.
This is one of the earliest report of the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, a jury being sworn in and informed not to research anything to do with the case.
He reminded the jury he had instructed them not to read the reporting of the trial or do any of their own research on it. He has also told them not to view discussions on social network sites about the case. The judge said these instructions were of the "utmost importance" and any breach of his directions could lead to them being in contempt of court.
Now it all sounds like common sense, except you have a jury pool of many people whom have been called to Bristol Crown Court to hear what ever trials are taking place and are sat in a common room waiting to be called to it's many court rooms.. Everyone of those potential jurors where aware that they may be called to be a juror on The Dr Vincent Tabak Trial...
Human nature tells us they would and could have research any material about the case before being called as a juror on that case, and before being sworn in... Some jurors may have already had an opinion of Dr Vincent Tabak and the Murder of Joanna Yeates... They were all local and could not have avoided the massive publicity that had already surrounded the Investigation ...
But.. Before they are sworn in, there are images that are already available about Dr Vincent Tabak... Images that bare such statements as ...
William Clegg QC (C), who is representing Vincent Tabak, arrives at Bristol Crown Court on October 4, 2011 in Bristol, England. The trial of Vincent Tabak, a 33-year-old Dutch engineer accused of murdering landscape architect Jo Yeates began today. Tabak admits the manslaughter of his neighbour Miss Yeates, who was found dead on Christmas Day last year, but denies murdering her.
This being 2 full days before the people whom are sat in a room waiting to see if they would be called to be on the jury of The trial of Dr Vincent Tabak, could easily see read and be influenced by the wording upon such images...
Admits Manslaughter...
Those words could be ringing in a Jurors ears 2 days before they sat down to listen to evidence and make a judgement to his Guilt... That is not the only image... there are 6 in total.. 6 images saying 6 times that Dr vincent Tabak pleaded guilty to manslaughter, before the Jury have been sworn in...
Image 3... Is of DCI Phil Jones... Yet the image refers to him simply as Phil Jones... Question being why is Phil Jones at Bristol Crown Court on the 4th October 2011, when the jury have not been sworn in?? He doesn't give testimony .. So what brought Phil Jones to Bristol Crown Court on the 4th October 2011?? What was discussed on the 4th October 2011 that involved Phil Jones??
I am curious as to why they didn't refer to him as DCI Phil Jones??
Phil Jones arrives at Bristol Crown Court on October 4, 2011 in Bristol, England. The trial of Vincent Tabak, a 33-year-old Dutch engineer accused of murdering landscape architect Jo Yeates began today. Tabak admits the manslaughter of his neighbour Miss Yeates, who was found dead on Christmas Day last year,
Did Phil Jones speak to the judge on the 4th October 2011?? I do not understand why he is there, before the jury are sworn in.....
Six times these images repeat that Dr Vincent Tabak has admitted to The Manslaughter of Joanna Yeates, before the jury is sworn in... 6 times potential juror have the information available to them before they take the oath...
6 Times they are reminded that Dr Vincent Tabak is guilty!! So their minds are already made up before they have even sat down... Their minds are made up before they take the oath... Their minds are made up before they listen to ANY evidence... Because like a lot of jurors.. their minds were already made up before they entered the jury room, because the defendant wouldn't be on the stand if he hadn't done anything..!!
Therefore these 6 images cemented in the minds of the jury before they had taken the oath, that the man that stood before them was already guilty... because they had been told so....!!
Did they even bother really listening to the evidence ?? Did they really evaluate the content of the evidence... Or were they just bored and waiting for it to be over, so they could say in the jury room....
Well.. We knew he was guilty all along!!
The clerk told the jury that Tabak, 33, was charged with murdering Yeates between 16 and 19 December last year. He informed them that the defendant had pleaded not guilty and it was the jury's job to say whether he was guilty or not.
Why would a jury let a man go free when they had it firmly planted in their heads that he had indeed killed Joanna Yeates...And their only option was to find him guilty of Murder or NOT!!...
They are not going to let hm walk out of court a free man!!
The information about The Manslaughter Plea, should never have been told to anyone as he hadn't the option to be found guilty of Manslaughter.. And by informing the world he admitted to Manslaughter... The case was already Prejudiced!!..
That information legally as far as I am aware... Is not allowed to be known, as Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't being tried for Manslaughter.. Either Voluntary or Involuntary...
But just so any potential juror has forgotten what happened on the 5th May 2011... we have information available to the potential jurors that Dr Vincent Tabak had plead guilty to Manslaughter!!
And still... No one will stand up and be counted when it comes to the flagrant breaches of law and tell the public everything that went on in the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak and how his conviction should be thrown out by the Prejudicial reporting that had already taken place 5 months prior to arriving at trial to face a jury charged with The Murder of Joanna Yeates ....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/06/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-jury
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/event/vincent-tabak-trial-begins-for-the-murder-of-joanna-yeates-128104139#phil-jones-arrives-at-bristol-crown-court-on-october-4-2011-in-the-picture-id127960923
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Why would a jury let a man go free when they had it firmly planted in their heads that he had indeed killed Joanna Yeates...And their only option was to find him guilty of Murder or NOT!!...
They are not going to let hm walk out of court a free man!!
I'm no legal expert so this is mainly just applying logic.
Presumably after pleading guilty to manslaughter he was never going to be allowed to walk free. If they had found him not guilty of murder he would still have to face the consequences for manslaughter.
As for the jury being prejudiced by the knowledge that Tabak had admitted to being responsible for Joanna's death, well surely when he took the stand himself and talked about killing her (supposedly unintentionally) he would be providing them with the exact same knowledge that you claim is prejudicial i.e. that he has admitted to be responsible for her death.
I suspect, although once again I am no expert, that in a situation like this when someone's lesser plea is rejected the jury are allowed to know this and being set free was never an option. It's just down to them to decide if it was intentional or not rather than if he is responsible for her death.
I may be wrong though if someone with a greater knowledge of criminal law would like to explain how things work in that situation I'm happy to learn.
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I'm no legal expert so this is mainly just applying logic.
Presumably after pleading guilty to manslaughter he was never going to be allowed to walk free. If they had found him not guilty of murder he would still have to face the consequences for manslaughter.
As for the jury being prejudiced by the knowledge that Tabak had admitted to being responsible for Joanna's death, well surely when he took the stand himself and talked about killing her (supposedly unintentionally) he would be providing them with the exact same knowledge that you claim is prejudicial i.e. that he has admitted to be responsible for her death.
I suspect, although once again I am no expert, that in a situation like this when someone's lesser plea is rejected the jury are allowed to know this and being set free was never an option. It's just down to them to decide if it was intentional or not rather than if he is responsible for her death.
I may be wrong though if someone with a greater knowledge of criminal law would like to explain how things work in that situation I'm happy to learn.
But to me it still doesn't make sense Baz.... Because the "Manslaughter Plea" was never know as to whether it was "Voluntary" or Involuntary" Manslaughter!!
So what happened to the type of Manslaughter plea??
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But to me it still doesn't make sense Baz.... Because the "Manslaughter Plea" was never know as to whether it was "Voluntary" or Involuntary" Manslaughter!!
So what happened to the type of Manslaughter plea??
The question of whether the jury knowing his admission of responsibility for her death was predjudcial was what we were addressing. So which ever he pleaded to (and I don't even know if someone pleads to a specific type of manslaughter) the point remains the same. His own evidence would have given the jury the same information i.e. He has admitted to killing her and so it's clearly not prejudicial.
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Most of what Clegg states about Joanna's actions fits in well with the accepted facts. Obviously she took her boots off once indoors.
I am delighted that you have at last pounced on the green fleece, however. No one else in court, or outside, referred to Joanna having a green fleece. However, in the videos, you can see she has something bright green on underneath her cream coat. It is either the green lining of the coat, or a separate green fleece. Mr. Clegg was just teasing the Prosecution for not bothering to clarify this point. If it were a separate fleece, it is possible that Mr Clegg knew that she had not in fact been wearing it that day, and that the videos were all taken on another occasion, and the timestamps tampered with.
leonora... after recently viewing the video about Rachell Nickell that was on TV in March I have never been able to clarify if 'The Papers" that Clegg refers to are the Case papers... or the Newspapers...
Which brings me back to The Green Fleece.... Did Clegg actually see evidence of this Green Fleece or did he just see it in the media like the rest of us??
The press tell Clegg all sorts... he appears to have a close relationship with them... That is why I am asking if Clegg actually had seen evidence of the Green Fleece or it was just what he had seen on the video of Joanna Yeates...
To me it's perfectly Obvious he just saw the video... Because the Green Fleece as far as i know .... was never entered into evidence at trial and it could quiet easily been found on Longwood lane for all we know !!!!
Edit. What is to say that Dr Vincent Tabak hadn't touched this Green Fleece?? you would want tests done upon it ..... surely!!
But I don't believe that Dr vincent Tabak killed Joanna Yeates so a test would be irrelevant.....
How many pieces of evidence taken from Canygne Road were looked at by the Defence??
Double Edit... I feel I can question the Green fleece.... and how the defence came to know about it's existence.... Simply because The Flat that was Frozen in time did not have a Green Fleece anywhere inside it... There were no images of this Green Fleece brought to trial other than the CCTV Footage... There were no images of the Flat in it's original state brought to trial before the clean up that has obviously taken place... And the only image of an article that is possibly a Green Fleece... Is that in the CCTV Footage of Joanna Yeates... No Timestamp available for these images !!
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Application by Person with Legal Aid
to Change Solicitor
I was wondering what paper trial there should be about how Dr Vincent Tabak had changed Solicitors and why Paul Cook dropped or was given leave of his duties by Dr Vincent Tabak....
I remember Kelcey Halls statement about a Platinum Service.. which would not happen on legal aid.... I believe that it is important to know 'When" the change over too place... And whenand how Dr Vincent Tabak instructed William Clegg to be his new solicitor...
1. Give the information asked for in PART 1 and then send the form to the NEW
solicitors you want to represent you. You can attach extra pages if there is not
enough room but make sure you write your name and case number on the
attached sheets. If you fill out the form on a computer the boxes will expand to fit
your content. If you wish to email the form you can sign it electronically.
2. The new solicitors have to give the information in PART 2 and then send copies to
the court AND to your present solicitors.
3. Your present solicitors have to respond to the application by providing the
information in PART 3 and send a copy to you AND to the court.
4. The court will make a decision and inform the Legal Aid Agency. SOLICITORS
PLEASE NOTE: it is essential that the solicitor’s account number and MAAT
number are on the form or a new representation order cannot be produced.
Did Dr Vincent Tabak sign the waiver...???
Legal Professional Privilege: Conversations and letters between you and your
present solicitors about the case are private between you. This is called “Legal
Professional Privilege”. It means that when your present solicitors are asked about
your reasons for the change they cannot refer to any information that is private
between you unless you give your permission. If you give permission by ticking the
box below that is called “Waiver of Legal Professional Privilege”. This waiver is for
the purposes of this application only.
If you do not give permission then the court may think that your reasons would not
have stood up to examination if you had given permission.
This I believe is mighty important... If Dr Vincent Tabak didn't sign a waiver or even fill out a form, then the information collected by Paul Cook would stay with Paul Cook.... Meaning that William Clegg would have to start the Investigations into Dr Vincent Tabak Case from scratch....
When did Clegg take on Dr Vincent Tabak Case???
Now I find this slightly confusing.... When Clegg took over Dr Vincent Tabaks case wouldn't he apply for a change of date for the trial??
Now we have to add into the mix CJ.... I would say this because even though he was not charged he was still on bail until the 7th March 2011.... Was Clegg already Dr Vincent Tabak's solicitor by that time?? Wouldn't the fact that someone was still on police bail for this crime change the defence tactic as to maybe apportioning blame elsewhere?? (Unsure if that is a tatic that is used)..
I don't understand how Clegg had enough time to prepare Dr Vincent Tabak's Case?? I can only use Colin Stagg as an example and he spent the best part of a year in prison... yet Dr Vincent Tabak was in prison from 22nd January 2011 until the start of trial on 4th October 2011... barely anytime at all if you take into consideration that he changed solicitors also, to have a full Investigation into his case.... (imo)
I keep coming across things that are coincidental.... And need to understand the importance of dates....
* 4th October 2011 was the day after the new legal aid reforms came into place...
How did that effect the defence of Dr Vincent Tabak??? Would he get a full and robust trial?? (Well imo he didn't anyway)
Whilst trying to understand this mine field I have found this table of fees proposal...(image attached)
Description Measures
Overall
Cumulative
Saving
Option 1
Reform fee structures for cases heard in the Crown Court
that were determined in the Magistrates’ Court to be
suitable for summary trial (elected ‘either way’ cases).
Introduce new litigator and advocates fixed fees for either
way cases suitable for summary trial that result in a cracked
trial or a guilty plea; raise Lower and Higher Standard Fees
for either way category 1 cases at the Magistrates’ Court; no
longer pay the committal fees which applies when cases
move from the Magistrates’ Court to the Crown Court.
£25 million
Option 2
Reform fee structures for cases which go straight to the
Crown Court (‘indictable only’ cases) and for either way
cases found by the Magistrates’ Court to be unsuitable for
summary trial (committed ‘either way’ cases).
For litigators (solicitors), the fees for cracked cases would
be reduced by 25% across the whole set of fees. For
advocates, an 11% reduction in the AGFS fee for cases that
crackwould apply and harmonisation of all the Prosecution
Pages of Evidence (PPE) fees paid for all cases with PPE
between 1,000 and 10,000 which crack.
£40 million
Option 3a Align the fees paid for murder and manslaughter to the
same level as those paid in serious sexual cases £15 million
Option 3b
Amalgamate two of the fee groups for cases of dishonesty
to form a single group based on the value of the dishonest
act(s) below £100,000
£4 million
Option 4 Align Magistrates’ court fees in London with other major
urban areas £6 million
Option 5 Reduce ancillary payments to advocates (“bolt on”
payments); £9 million
Option 6 Harmonise payments in Very High Cost Cases (VHCC) for
cases expected to take up to 60 days at trial £3 million
So I believe that a reduction in fees payable would differ once the reforms came into effect... Now I am not sure if there is any relation to The Reforms and The Case... I'm no legal expert... But if these fees and reductions were in effect when Dr Vincent Tabak stood for trial it make the case even more strange... I'm sure the cost was supposed to be great for the trial... But if reforms were in then should it have been?? I don't know
"Cracked Case"... Now thats a new term for me.... And this Case should have been a Cracked case as far as i can understand.....
When criminal trials are "cracked"
Claim...
A "cracked" trial is one that's dropped because a witness doesn't turn up or withdraws their evidence.
There are other reasons for a case being Classed a Cracked case, but I will stick with the witness's as the reason for my explanation....
If vital witness's did not take the stand then why was this not a cracked case???? I can think of 18 reason why this should have been a cracked case in witness's alone......
(1) * CJ
(2) * Tanja Morson
(3) * Nurse Ruth Booth Pearson (examined Dr Vincent Tabak when he was arrested )
(4) * Daniel Birch ( Dog walker who found Joanna Yeates)
(5) * Samuel Huscroft (Friend Joanna Yeates ) (text received from Joanna Yeates )
(6) * Mathew Wood (Chris Yeates Friend... Joanna Yeates (text Received from Joanna Yeates )
(7) * Sarah Maddox (At Dinner Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended )
(8) * PC Steve Archer ( Was there when Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested )
(9) * Mathew Phillips (Heard a shreik... was at party on Canygne Road )
(10)* Louise Althrope (Attended Party with Dr Vincent Tabak)
(11) * Geofrey Hardyman (Tenant of 44 Canygne Road )
(12) * Elizabeth Chandler ( Office Manager at BDP)
(13) * Shrikart Sharma ( Dr Vincent Tabak's Boss )
(14) * Glen O'Hare ( Hosted Part Dr Vincent Tabak attended ).
(15) * Anneleise Jackson, (PC... Greg's Phone Call statement )
(16) * Peter Lindsell ( Friends of Joanna Yeates .. at Bristol Mead Station ( Text received from Joanna Yeates )
(17) * Andrew Lillie (Attended a Dinner Party with Dr Vincent Tabak )
(18)* Linda Marland (Attended Party Dr Vincent Tabak attended ) (party was in a bar in Bristol)
16 of those witness's didn't take the stand but had their evidence read out in court... That hearsay evidence was not challenged but allowed.... Why!!!
The 2 most important witness's were not at trial... that being CJ and Tanja Morson.... Two of the most important witness's to this case and there wasn't even a statement available from either of them.... There lack of testimony should have made this trial a 'cracked Trial... (imo).. Did they both withdraw their statements or not make any in the first place????? either way someone should have said that this case is "Cracked" (imo)...
How did this case go to full trial???
How was that even possible???
We have no evidence... no witness's... no nothing, but an unsubstantiated account by the defendant to the crime with no supporting evidence to validate this claim...... Yet the trial was allowed to continue.... How??
What was this case about?? to show us how corrupt the system is?? Because thats how it appears to me if this case continued without any witness's who could confirm or deny anything about Dr Vincent Tabak and his movement and behaviour over the course of time...
This case should go down in the annals of history as the most unlawful case that has taken place...(imo) I cannot understand how this case managed to go to full trial.... It shouldn't.. yet no-one will say anything about it....
What was this case really about?? The poor demise of Joanna Yeates or An example of British Justice at it's worse??
Why wasn't it deemed a Cracked case in May 2011??
A trial will generally be deemed to have “cracked” where a trial date has been set but the defendant pleads guilty on the day, or the prosecution has no evidence to give.
This means that the case is resolved without a trial. But lawyers, judges and witnesses will have prepared for one and booked in the necessary court time—so it’s not an efficient outcome. Cracked trials are a problem.
Apparently Dr Vincent Tabak plead guilty, the prosecution had No Evidence..... And Dr Vincent tabak wasn't saying anything... So why wasn't it done and dusted then???
We know the prosecution had no evidence..... They didn't produce any witness's that would put Dr Vincent Tabak anywhere... no-one even put him on Canygne Road on Friday 17th December 2010.. No-one placed him on Longwood lane at anytime....
The prosecutions case consisted of searches on a computer... No Forensic Evidence from Joanna yeates Flat or Dr vincent tabak's Flat was entered into evidence, the DNA and the spot of blood could easily be explained away by a Defence council, so that wouldn't or shouldn't stand up in court...
A computer that didn't get analysed by the defence, that had been used by the defendants girlfriend also... A computer that should have been forensically tested independently, same with the Buro Happold Computers.... But the searches in themselves prove nothing as to what Dr Vincent Tabak actually did or did not do.... I will go back to the 2 searches he couldn't have done on the early morning hours of 18th December 2010.. when Dr Vincent Tabak was not at his residence at that time.... But picking up his girlfriend from her party.....
Did Clegg only read what the prosecution stated?? I can only conclude that is what he did.... ~Is that why Sally Ramages papers have incorrect information within them.... Is that the information that was given to Clegg??
I cannot see why someone like Sally Ramage would get information incorrect.... (imo)... But if Clegg didn't give a robust defence and relied only on the information provided by the prosecution and what he read in the press or what the press told him.... Then I can see why there are discrepancies within the pages that Sally Ramage wrote....
Clegg has already told us how he comes to his decisions with his recent Interview with Fiona Bruce... That shocked me entirely.... As he is supposed to gather evidence before making a judgement as to who killed Rachell Nickell....
Did he apply the same to Dr Vincent Tabak??? Did he just read what the papers said and not investigate this case for his client???
At ever turn I believe that Clegg failed his client, yet nothing is done about this case.... We are all lead to believe that the trial that took place was fair and just... But I have a different take on that.... They turned Dr Vincent Tabak into a monster when there was no evidence to support that claim.... A man that I believe is Innocent of the charges and conviction brought against him....
Even if you all believe that he is still guilty... surely you cannot sit back and allow our Justice system to be made a mockery of, when everything points to an Unfair trial and where this case should have been thrown out long before it came to trial in October 2011....
https://fullfact.org/crime/when-criminal-trials-are-cracked/
https://www.insidetime.org/download/publications/legal/legal-aid-criminal-manual-jul-14.pdf
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/criminal/docs/october-2015/rep001-eng.pdf
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This last purchase was timed at 8.37pm, so, assuming she walked directly home, she would have been back no more than ten minutes later.
I have never understood the Tesco's time stamp.... Or the date lacking..... I have mentioned before that I believe
the video has gone through some sort of program.... I've just had a terrible thought..... Ok... lets go back to why it was believed that she hadn't left her home of her own accord.....
Answer: Because her things were left behind.....
People have said before that anyone could return them.... Which is true... We do not know who or what is connected to this.... arggggg.... What time did she really get home.... If someone was trying to make it look like she had been abducted.... Couldn't they have bought the pizza......
The article says that the purchase was timed at 8:37pm... It doesn't say Joanna Yeates purchased the pizza at 8:37pm... Am I just reading into this??? For someone to buy the Pizza, they had to be aware that she was dead (imo)... Therefore they should be on CCTV..... But if thats the case why haven't they been arrested??
I don't go with it being Dr Vincent Tabak.... what is going on!! Then we get this quote...
Did someone lie in wait for her and pounce as she reached the flat — one of six in an imposing, stone-built, Victorian house?
We have 6 Flats that miraculously turn into 7..... Eh??? I said I thought the ground floor flat was one Flat.... And that points me back to believing what I first believed... And with that Dr Vincent Tabak had to live in the main house....
You see I never understood why The Media were taking footage of what should be DrVincent Tabaks Flat around the 22/23rd December 2010.... Well I will stick to my opinion and they weren't.... It was Joanna yeates Flat.....
Is there a door behind the bookcase like I had believed??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345194/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Did-Jo-buy-dinner-killer.html#ixzz5CHdkCzuz
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Transcript of Rebecca Scott's Interview..............
Everyone that knew Jo, absolutely loved her. She was em, (pause). Just full of life and energy erm, (Pause). she was just really bubbly,the girl has so much life left in her to live really. Erm (pause).. Just has this incredible warmth about her as well..
E.. Even people that didn't really know her but had met her, on a couple of occasions, you know they sort of equally... No not equally..but also devastated as to what's happened to her, she was instantly likeable.
Erm.. (licks lips).. you know ambitious.. young woman that had done very well for herself, and was at a very happy point in her life as well.
(licks lips).. She was very creative.. person.. erm... (licks lips).. she part part of... she loved obviously the sort of outdoors life and she was really into gardening, but she was very arty., and creative so... (pause).. you know she......Landscape.... architect, yer it was the perfect career for her to take...
I've seen Jo and Greg together, er on numerous occasions now. And.....y .. you know it's quite obvious how besotted they were with each other. Erm... you know... Jo's not someone who will move into an apartment with someone and buy a cat with someone , you know.... on a whim, it was, very clear to everyone that knew her.... her and Greg were the real deal...
(licks lips).. She told me that her and Greg were er.. travelling back to her parents house Christmas eve and we'd arranged to meet in the evening.
(Big Pause).. She phoned me on the Friday ... erm.. I travelled home for Christmas on the Sunday..(gulp).. Erm... It was about 4 O'clock in the morning I woke up. Erm.. (licks lips) And saw that there was a message, on my phone from the police... Er... Informing me that she had gone missing...
Er... Obviously they'd seen on the phone that she'd phoned me. And.. obviously wanted me to get in touch... Erm.... I immediately sort of panicked and phoned Jo...
And Greg... Greg answered the phone.... I knew something was wrong... er I think, we all did.
Erm.. (pause)(licks lips) As soon as I found out her possesions were in the flat, you know , that was it.. I knew that hadn't left the house of her own intention.
Erm (Deep Breath)... Then it was just a case really of whether she was aliv (I believe she was about to say alive!)...... still alive.... Whether she was being kept alive by someone or if she was dead really. And erm... (licks lips... looks thoughtful)... I think we all were ver.... In denial about the situation as much as we could be , but i think everybody, deep down everyone knew something was wrong... And sh... We all knew Jo and clearly she hadn't left the house of her own accord.
(Pause) It's been hard ter think about anything else since erm.. (pause) Per particularly those first few weeks... I ..I be lucky if I sort of slept (pause) at all really.... Erm.... Erm I think we were all desperate to do everything we could to get her back and erm... Myself and Emma had gone up to Bristol to erm er hand out posters and flyers erm....... (licks lips) And lots of her work colleagues were doing the same, so we all sort of got in contact, best coordinate, the sort of pulled resources and our time.
My parents knew Jo very well and they loved her to bits, erm.. you know obviously they have been concerned about myself as well. And erm.. they were quite keen to try and have some kind of a christmas, the best we could given the circumstances.
Erm..... (licks and purses lips)..
You know what when obviously when.... the the news was on con constantly... as soon as her body was found (someone speaks to her ) Yer Yer through the telly.
Myself and Emma her other close friends have been in regular contact.. Erm.. we obviously had a lot of mutual friends at home, who.. (pause) you know spent time with before attempting to return back to work.
Erm... But.. everybody's gutted... (Pause) As gutted as I was erm.. (Pause).... i knew she wasn't a A missing person she was... she'd been... she was either being held by someone Or had been murdered so.. (Big intake of breath) It was.... it was a relief... (big Pause) to know that she was ..N N N.... No more harm could have come to her (licks lips).
Erm... Well it should be fairly clear to everyone how desperate her family are, (licks lips)... That justice is...... some, sort of justice can be done.. Erm...... And... obviously if anybody (pause)... that might have information that hasn't yet been in contact with the police. The... I just beg that they might just do that...
Erm... Even if you may not have even seen or...... know anything that you might have noticed a friend or family member acting suspiciously. Erm.. er er .. obviously P Please again report that to the police and erm...
I'm sure if that was your friends lying there that had been found on Christmas day ,you would want others to do the same.
I thought I'd remind myself of this............. ummmmmmm.............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5Kt94oXos
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Parents of missing 25-year-old Bristol woman launch plea for help
By - December 21, 2010
The devastated parents of a pretty young architect who mysteriously vanished five days ago today launched a desperate plea for help.
Parents appeal for missing 25-year-old Bristol woman
Blonde Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen leaving a pub in Bristol at 8pm on Friday evening after drinks with colleagues.
She arrived home after picking up shopping at a local Tesco but has not been seen or heard from since.
Joanna – known as Jo to friends – was reported missing by her boyfriend Greg Reardon when he returned to the flat they shared in the upmarket Clifton area on Sunday night.
She has not taken any possessions with her family say her disappearance is totally out of character.
Yesterday her parents David, 63, and Teresa, 58, who live in Southampton, issued a public appeal for her safe return.
They sobbed during a press conference alongside Joanna’s brother Chris and boyfriend Greg.
David said: ”Jo is a vibrant young woman and this is completely out of character for her. We need your help to find her.”
Clutching Teresa’s hand, he sobbed: ”Jo, whatever the reason that you have not been in touch over the last few days we want you to know that we love you dearly.
”Please get in touch as soon as possible. Either to the police or anyone who can confirm you are ok.”
Blue-eyed Jo, who is a size 8 to 10 and 5ft 4ins tall, was wearing dark grey skinny jeans and a pale top when she went for drinks with a group of work friends at The Ram pub in Park Street, Bristol.
She left there alone at 8pm and visited Tesco Express on Regent Street in Clifton, which is less than half-a-mile from her home on Canynge Road.
Officers searching her flat for clues to her disappearance found the receipt from Tesco, which gave the time of 8.40pm.
Parents appeal for missing 25-year-old Bristol woman
Boyfriend Greg raised the alarm when he returned to the flat late on Sunday night after visiting family in Sheffield over the weekend.
Detective Superintendent Mark Saunders, who is leading the investigation for Avon and somerset Police, said Jo’s disappearance was a ”complete mystery”.
He said: ”This is completely out of character for Jo. We are concerned for her welfare and we now need help from the public.
”We have gone through every normal scenario as to where she could be but nothing has turned up so far.
”This is not something she has ever done before. She is a vivacious, sensible, professional woman.”
He added that Jo had been suffering from headaches in the week before her disappearance, but had not checked into any hospital for treatment.
Joanna, who recently cut her hair into a short blond crop, had no plans for the weekend when she vanished.
She failed to show up at the Bristol architect’s firm where she works on Monday morning, which is ”very out of character” for her, according to police.
Officers have found CCTV of Jo leaving The Ram pub – where she was last spotted – at 8pm on Friday night and were looking for any other leads.
Anyone with information is urged to contact police on 0845456 7000 quoting Operation Braid or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
https://stories.swns.com/news/parents-of-missing-25-year-old-bristol-woman-launch-plea-for-help-12546/
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Article from SWNS news....
Yesterday her parents David, 63, and Teresa, 58, who live in Southampton, issued a public appeal for her safe return.
Yesterday.... That would make it the 20th December 2010...!!
But it is not until the 22nd December that we see it reported in the Telegraph.
7:00AM GMT 22 Dec 2010
Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen leaving a pub in Bristol at 8pm on Friday after drinks with colleagues. She went shopping at a Tesco store before going home but has not been seen or heard from since.
Miss Yeates – known as Jo – was reported missing by her boyfriend Greg Reardon when he returned to the flat they shared in the Clifton area on Sunday night.
Her family says she has not taken any possessions with her and her disappearance is out of character.
Her parents David, 63, and Teresa, 58, who live in Southampton, have issued a public appeal for her safe return.
They broke down in tears during a press conference alongside Miss Yeates's brother Chris and Mr Reardon.
Mr Yeates said his daughter was "a vibrant young woman".
"This is completely out of character for her," he said. "We need your help to find her."
Clutching his wife's hand, he said: "Jo, whatever the reason that you have not been in touch over the last few days we want you to know that we love you dearly.
In this article they describe Joanna Yeates top as "Pale"
The blonde, blue-eyed architect, who is 5 ft 4 ins tall, was wearing dark grey skinny jeans and a pale top when she went for drinks with work friends at The Ram pub in Park Street, Bristol.
So what was it:
* Pale
* Pink
* Or Flower patterned pink top
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8218181/Tearful-parents-plead-Help-find-our-daughter.html
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Transcript of video... First TV appeal
(Det Supt Mark Saunders)
Well we've got a professional young lady called Jo Yeates who is an architect, works for a local Office in in Bristol.. erm.. she basically, she's gone missing over the weekendWe know that she went out with some friends on Friday night, they went for some drinks, in The Ram public house on Park Street. She left there about 8 o'clock in the evening..erm.. We believe she made a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street at around 8:40 on Friday and made her way home from there. Um..(smacks lips) And we've seen nothing of her since.. um so we're really concerned for her welfare.. Her family are down from Southampton helping us look for her.
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(Mr Yeates)
Jo.. whatever the reason you haven't been in touch over the last few days.. I want you to know that we love you dearly and are desperate to know that your safe and well, please get in touch as soon as possible, either to the Police or anyone that can confirm your ok.
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( Det Supt Mark Saunders)
They are absolutley distraught, erm they have no idea where she is and just want to try and get her back, her boyfriend went away for the weekend to visit family , up in Sheffield and he was away for the weekend and in fact when he got back from the weekend on Sunday night , er..then reported it to the Police.
Every,.. we have obviously a lot of Missing Person inquiries, erm and this is very very unusual. erm, Every possible normal explanation for someone goes missing is coming up to a dead end .. So em.. we really do not have any idea, she's vivacious ,sensible, professional lady There is no obvious reason at all as to why she has gone missing...we've got no idea as to where she could have gone at all.
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Why typing this I remembered the other transcript from another appeal the family made..... I'll use part of it
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(Reporter)
First of all can you tell me a little bit about Jo describe her to me ...
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(Mr Yeates)
(Big sigh) I think one of the papers used vivacious. and thats a really good description of her, she loved life, she loved doing things with her boyfriend, she liked doing things around the home, she liked making a home, buying things for the home. Erm.. She was a really loving daughter, there was a number of times she did touching things for me which I didn't expect, things she (inaudible) ,she had a lot on and she still did these, maybe small things for her.. (Sigh) used to bring a lump to my throat. I had to stop what I was saying because, she would thought whats wrong with em.. She's .................. Over the last couple of Years probably since she's meet Greg actually ,she's blossomed into a classy lady. She had style... erm.. If I had to pick a daughter , I couldn't pick anybody else. And I miss her terribly. It's breaking me up.
Well one of the papers didn't use vivacious... It was apparently Det Supt Mark Saunders in the first appeal...
Now the question is.... Is this man really Det Supt Mark Saunders?? Or is he from the media?? Was the appeal staged?? I may sound uncaring and I don't mean too, but the case is off the wall...
The second appeal was supposed to be on the 23rd of December I believe..
Looking at my first post on this, the date of the article is 21st December 2010, which would make the date of the appeal the 20th December 2010...
Now she was apparently reported Missing according to the trial, that I believe was NO Trial at all.... She was reported Missing on the 20th December 2010... So in less than a few hours we have a TV appeal for a 25 year old Missing woman, with everyone behaving as if she has already been Murdered.... This is the video that Greg Reardon appears in at the conference....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8219528/Family-appeal-for-missing-Bristol-woman.html
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg456149#msg456149
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8218181/Tearful-parents-plead-Help-find-our-daughter.html
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Transcript of video... First TV appeal
(Det Supt Mark Saunders)
Well we've got a professional young lady called Jo Yeates who is an architect, works for a local Office in in Bristol.. erm.. she basically, she's gone missing over the weekendWe know that she went out with some friends on Friday night, they went for some drinks, in The Ram public house on Park Street. She left there about 8 o'clock in the evening..erm.. We believe she made a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street at around 8:40 on Friday and made her way home from there. Um..(smacks lips) And we've seen nothing of her since.. um so we're really concerned for her welfare.. Her family are down from Southampton helping us look for her.
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Which Tesco's did Joanna Yeates shop at?? What was on her receipt??
I keep wondering about why she went to Bargain Booze... and the only reason would be to by the alcohol she didn't buy at Tesco's... Does Tesco's have a license??
Did or does Tesco's Express have an alcohol license??
Why would DCI Mark Saunders make such a mistake?? Tesco's METRO and Tesco's EXPRESS are to different types of shops...
He states she bought items:
We believe she made a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street
Did she by alcohol from Tesco's?? and which Tesco's did she really go to?? We do not see her enter the store, so how do we know which store it is ??
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8056.msg462679#msg462679
The reconstruction shows the woman playing the part of Joanna Yeates in Tesco's and there are bottles of wine on offer...
Another item I noticed was from the reflection in the mirror was a snowman... There were no snowmen in Tesco's... That image was on the glass on the entrance of waitrose...
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/reconstruction-exterior-shots-actor-of-joanna-yeates-in-news-footage/108145086
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Parents of missing 25-year-old Bristol woman launch plea for help
By - December 21, 2010
The devastated parents of a pretty young architect who mysteriously vanished five days ago today launched a desperate plea for help.
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Yesterday.... That would make it the 20th December 2010...!!
But it is not until the 22nd December that we see it reported in the Telegraph.
In this article they describe Joanna Yeates top as "Pale"
So what was it:
* Pale
* Pink
* Or Flower patterned pink top
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8218181/Tearful-parents-plead-Help-find-our-daughter.html
The video appeal by Joanna's parents was made public some time during the afternoon of Tuesday 21st December 2010. This piece, like others from SWNS, was syndicated to the daily newspapers, which would be printed that night for distribution at breakfast time on the following day. The uncredited journalist therefore referred to "yesterday". You keep on clutching at straws while the great ocean of truth remains hidden from Everyman.
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Is that dross short enough for you??
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Transcript of video... First TV appeal
(Det Supt Mark Saunders)
Well we've got a professional young lady called Jo Yeates who is an architect, works for a local Office in in Bristol.. erm.. she basically, she's gone missing over the weekendWe know that she went out with some friends on Friday night, they went for some drinks, in The Ram public house on Park Street. She left there about 8 o'clock in the evening..erm.. We believe she made a purchase of some items from Tesco Metro on Regent Street at around 8:40 on Friday and made her way home from there. Um..(smacks lips) And we've seen nothing of her since.. um so we're really concerned for her welfare.. Her family are down from Southampton helping us look for her.
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Which Tesco's did Joanna Yeates shop at?? What was on her receipt??
I keep wondering about why she went to Bargain Booze... and the only reason would be to by the alcohol she didn't buy at Tesco's... Does Tesco's have a license??
Did or does Tesco's Express have an alcohol license??
Why would DCI Mark Saunders make such a mistake?? Tesco's METRO and Tesco's EXPRESS are to different types of shops...
He states she bought items:
Did she by alcohol from Tesco's?? and which Tesco's did she really go to?? We do not see her enter the store, so how do we know which store it is ??
The reconstruction shows the woman playing the part of Joanna Yeates in Tesco's and there are bottles of wine on offer...
Another item I noticed was from the reflection in the mirror was a snowman... There were no snowmen in Tesco's... That image was on the glass on the entrance of waitrose...
Joanna went to B/Booze first, as you well know Nine, where she bought two bottles of cider. The Tesco was in Regent St, the layout in the reconstruction which I saw, Crimewatch, was spot on so it was the Tesco Express in Regent St which does have an alcohol licence. I also saw Crimewatch filming the reconstruction. Joanna would have approached Tesco and entered from the left, if you were standing inside Tesco.
I don't know anything about the snowman.
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I want to go with this again..... Mr and Mrs Yeates at the Police Conference...
I think she was abducted after getting home to her flat ... I have no idea of the circumstances of the abduction because of what was left behind
Those are the words David says on the video......... Just in case it goes walkabouts...
Ok... Can't remember if I have said this before.... But the "Missing Sock"...
I believe what is left behind.... "IS THE SOCK"!!!
And what is Missing is the other one too it.....
Might seem a strange conclusion... But what I will say... Is when the Police Conference on the 5th January 2011 takes place DCI Jones holds up the box with the sock on it and it has an evidence label dangling from the back....
Joanna Yeates may have had a sock on when she was found... but i don't believe it is the one that matches that "MANS" "DIRTY" sock.....
Watch from 1:45.. There's a label hanging from it... Looks like an evidence label DCI Jones fumbles with it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSjd-UPHg2A
I have the suspicion that "The Sock" DCI Jones Is Displaying IS "WHAT" has been left behind....
Therefore he is appealing for the sock that makes that a pair... And it is The Sock" That is the evidence and the clue that the killer left at the scene.....
It's not wearing an evidence label for nothing....
The Yeates noticed something.... And I personally believe it is the sock!!! The very same sock DCI Jones has in his hands at the conference!!! That was left inside Joanna yeates home... And she never wore them in the first place...(imo)...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8221701/Parents-of-missing-architect-Joanna-Yeates-fear-she-has-been-abducted.html
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Joanna went to B/Booze first, as you well know Nine, where she bought two bottles of cider. The Tesco was in Regent St, the layout in the reconstruction which I saw, Crimewatch, was spot on so it was the Tesco Express in Regent St which does have an alcohol licence. I also saw Crimewatch filming the reconstruction. Joanna would have approached Tesco and entered from the left, if you were standing inside Tesco.
I don't know anything about the snowman.
Nina... Do you mean you were there when they filmed it??
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Nina... Do you mean you were there when they filmed it??
Yes, I was trying to do my shopping at Tesco and also to go to my bank which was opposite Tesco.
I saw the girl playing Joanna in Tesco going up the right hand side to get her pizza. No one was allowed into Tesco at the time they were filming. Film crews were inside Tesco and filming from outside through the large windows.
I didn't hang around though.