UK and North American politics. => A look at US politics following Donald Trump's inauguration as President. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 05:21:17 AM
Title: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 05:21:17 AM
Watching the leftist media go into total meltdown at the prospect of President Trump......Fecking Awesome!!!
America just gave the biggest "F*ck You" ever to the mainstream political establishment.
Yeah bitches, yeah, suck on his wall.
Trump Trump Trump Trump!!!
You are clearly fond of sociopaths Spam.
I hope you enjoy the results of one as president of the 'free world'.
The man who intends to bring work back to the USA, but who outsourced production from his companies to other countries.
It really has become a case of spot the mo#on, whether that be his supporters or the man himself.
IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: jixy on November 09, 2016, 08:07:01 AM
sad day 8)><(
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 08:09:28 AM
I am delighted. But don't ask me why because I haven't got a clue. The thing is that being a Republican he will have The Senate on his side. That should be interesting.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 08:14:28 AM
I am delighted. But don't ask me why because I haven't got a clue. The thing is that being a Republican he will have The Senate on his side. That should be interesting.
Maybe not. Most of fellow Republicans cannot stand him or want his policies.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: jixy on November 09, 2016, 08:21:48 AM
It will definitely be interesting Eleanor but glad you are delighted 8(0(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 08:26:29 AM
Maybe not. Most of fellow Republicans cannot stand him or want his policies.
That should make for some sort of balance then, although I don't really understand how these things work. I have a life long mental block about the difference between Democrat and Republican. Perhaps someone could tell me again. It might sink in one day.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 08:27:45 AM
It will definitely be interesting Eleanor but glad you are delighted 8(0(*
Thanks, Jixy. Actually, I wasn't very impressed to begin with, but he sort of grew on me, especially after The Dirty Tricks Brigade got going, and he was a bit less awful. I now think that there is a kind man in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
That should make for some sort of balance then, although I don't really understand how these things work. I have a life long mental block about the difference between Democrat and Republican. Perhaps someone could tell me again. It might sink in one day.
The Republicans now control both the Senate and House of Representatives Eleanor, and with that there will be effectively no opposition from the Democrats.
Personally, and I won't be alone in this, I blame Clinton for her arrogance in standing. She was to use the idiom, spoiled goods, and America will suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 08:34:06 AM
The Republicans now control both the Senate and House of Representatives Eleanor, and with that there will be effectively no opposition from the Democrats.
Personally, and I won't be alone in this, I blame Clinton for her arrogance in standing. She was to use the idiom, spoiled goods, and America will suffer the consequences.
That's a bit like how I feel, Stephen. But which one of them is left and which is right?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 09, 2016, 08:43:32 AM
America has followed the UK and has its. INDEPENDENCE DAY!. 8@??)(
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 08:45:13 AM
Yes, NATO is possibly now doomed, which should make us all feel much safer in our beds I'm sure, especially with the imminent destruction of the EU too. Happy days.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 09:09:09 AM
So was Trump right - the election was rigged? He was adamant that it was, so....?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 09, 2016, 09:10:24 AM
Okay. Enough of the insults. I will be deleting. At least we have something to talk about.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 09:11:01 AM
Yes, NATO is possibly now doomed, which should make us all feel much safer in our beds I'm sure, especially with the imminent destruction of the EU too. Happy days.
Indeed Alfie, what more could we ask for.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 09:14:00 AM
Yes, NATO is possibly now doomed, which should make us all feel much safer in our beds I'm sure, especially with the imminent destruction of the EU too. Happy days.
I somehow doubt the red army will be pouring into Europe as we speak.
It isn't 1950 anymore.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on November 09, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
'They will use Trump as a breeding ground to recruit more'
Hillary, through her actions as secretary of state, in Iraq, Libya, in Syria... actually helped create ISIS..........&...... she's funded by ISIS backers, who recruit the Jihadis.......
.......But Trump, who has nothing to do with any of it,...... it's somehow his fault.
Brilliant!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 09:45:58 AM
I somehow doubt the red army will be pouring into Europe as we speak.
It isn't 1950 anymore.
Of course not! Trump isn't in the White House yet. But if Russia did decide to pour into Europe who is going to prevent it now? Not Trump that's for sure.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
'They will use Trump as a breeding ground to recruit more'
Hillary, through her actions as secretary of state, in Iraq, Libya, in Syria... actually helped create ISIS..........&...... she's funded by ISIS backers, who recruit the Jihadis.......
.......But Trump, who has nothing to do with any of it,...... it's somehow his fault.
Brilliant!!
Try again Spam, it's ISIL.
The Americans helped finance them as they did the Taliban and other groups, and Trump will be every bit as bad,l if not worse.
If you can't see that, you never will.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 09:55:09 AM
Trump has business interests in the middle east (& a golf course in Scotland) ergo.... he is an ISIS recruiter.
......right'o.
Do you think Trump's attitude towards Muslims in his own country is likely to foster good, positive relations with American-born Muslims? He won't be able to round them all up and put them in concentration camps straight away, it will take time - meanwhile...?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Trump's speech this morning was rank full of hypocrisy, after the campaign he ran.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
Do you think Trump's attitude towards Muslims in his own country is likely to foster good, positive relations with American-born Muslims? He won't be able to round them all up and put them in concentration camps straight away, it will take time - meanwhile...?
What has he said exactly, about the muslims in the country?
...and....Godwins Law.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
What has he said exactly, about the muslims in the country?
...and....Godwins Law.
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/15/top-republicans-pretend-donald-trump-didnt-just-say-u-s-muslims-shield-terrorists/ Godwin's Law can go do one btw. There were concentration camps in the US well before Nazis used them.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Godwin's Law can go do one btw. There were concentration camps in the US well before Nazis used them.
....Muslims “have to work with us. They know what’s going on. They know that [the Orlando shooter] was bad. They knew the people in San Bernardino were bad. But you know what? They didn’t turn them in.”
Gosh, how inflammatory!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 10:33:59 AM
....Muslims “have to work with us. They know what’s going on. They know that [the Orlando shooter] was bad. They knew the people in San Bernardino were bad. But you know what? They didn’t turn them in.”
Gosh, how inflammatory!!
Quite. Trump is Islamophobic, no doubt about it. Now tell me how that sort of an attitude, a belief that the Muslim community is the USA harbours and protects terrorists is going to lead to an outbreak of peace and love amongst the Muslim community and a reduction in the threat of home-grown ISIS-inspired / led terrorism.
Quite. Trump is Islamophobic, no doubt about it. Now tell me how that sort of an attitude, a belief that the Muslim community is the USA harbours and protects terrorists is going to lead to an outbreak of peace and love amongst the Muslim community and a reduction in the threat of home-grown ISIS-inspired / led terrorism.
We know that you share Trump's attitude towards Muslims but you haven't really addressed the point Stephen made earlier that Trump's victory will provide fertile ground for Isis recruitment. Over to you.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 09, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
Hillary... You're fired!! @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 09, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
We know that you share Trump's attitude towards Muslims but you haven't really addressed the point Stephen made earlier that Trump's victory will provide fertile ground for Isis recruitment. Over to you.
Muslims can't hack a bit of criticism without turning terrorsist, so we must always be nice about them.....
F*ck dat sh*t political correctness just got it's ass handed to it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 11:32:43 AM
Muslims can't hack a bit of criticism without turning terrorsist, so we must always be nice about them.....
F*ck dat sh*t political correctness just got it's ass handed to it.
So, that's the best you can come up with? Such lucid insight is a joy to behold. Thanks for sharing and for addressing my question so pertinently, you truly are a child of Trump. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
Let's face it Angelo, you really do make a terrible mod with goading comments like that. Shame on you.
Maybe he shares Trump's beliefs, and I mean that in a broad sense.
..and that is extremely sad.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 09, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
Following on from Donald Trump's promise that if elected he would instruct his Attorney General to prosecute Hillary Clinton, a spokesman for the President Elect has just announced that a Special Prosecutor could be tasked with the job.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 01:08:46 PM
Following on from Donald Trump's promise that if elected he would instruct his Attorney General to prosecute Hillary Clinton, a spokesman for the President Elect has just announced that a Special Prosecutor could be tasked with the job.
Trump himself, has court appearances pending, including of course, the one involving the Trump University'.
Then of course, he has nothing to worry about,does he.
Should make for interesting times ahead as the US President faces rape, fraud and conspiracy charges. Still, he's a popular guy if last nights vote is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
Should make for interesting times ahead as the US President faces rape, fraud and conspiracy charges. Still, he's a popular guy if last nights vote is anything to go by.
...and there is so much more.
A member of the Republican Party appeared on BBC this morning at approx 10.30 am.
He stated quite openly, ' a Trump presidency would be bad for America, and a disaster for the world '.
P.S. There is a link available to show the full extent of his activities................
Read at your peril.
The rape charge has been dropped apparently, after the woman involved claimed, she has received threats. More of that in the following link.
Following on from Donald Trump's promise that if elected he would instruct his Attorney General to prosecute Hillary Clinton, a spokesman for the President Elect has just announced that a Special Prosecutor could be tasked with the job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z4Humb7ARc
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 02:52:49 PM
Just like Brexit, time for change, time to take back our country from those who would destroy it.
So America is your country is it? Interesting. Who is destroying America currently then?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 09, 2016, 02:55:44 PM
W'spam may have already posted this link. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video Listen to all of it and understand what he is saying; what's not to like about it ? Additionally: He wants to control illegal immigration into the USA; He wants the USA to be less divided. He wants the USA to be less of a world policeman. He wants to stop throwing money at NATO. [NATO ceased to have a real function after the Berlin wall came down and Gorbachev had his days with glasnost and perestroika] He wants to stop wasting money on climate change. He wants to talk to Putin rather than lob one in on The Kremlin. He wants a bit of protectionism for American jobs. For an American citizen what's not to like about it ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 02:55:51 PM
Americans love junk food, guns and Mickey Mouse - and your point is...?
I wonder how loved he will be in 4 years time when he has driven his beloved country deep into recession...? &%+((£
Alf's prediction. Alf's MO. Using a statement, the outcome of which cannot possibly be known, in the future tense to start a pointless debate. "Only asking questions" my arse.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
On 30th July this year I wrote:
Sadly millions of dumbass americans share Spam's views to a tee, so that's why it will be President Trump in the White House by the end of the year.
I was right. I usually am (apart from the being in the White House bit - that happens in January). 8(>((
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
W'spam may have already posted this link. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video Listen to all of it and understand what he is saying; what's not to like about it ? Additionally: He wants to control illegal immigration into the USA; He wants the USA to be less divided. He wants the USA to be less of a world policeman. He wants to stop throwing money at NATO. [NATO ceased to have a real function after the Berlin wall came down and Gorbachev had his days with glasnost and perestroika] He wants to stop wasting money on climate change. He wants to talk to Putin rather than lob one in on The Kremlin. He wants a bit of protectionism for American jobs. For an American citizen what's not to like about it ?
The concept of mutually exclusive events would apply on some on that list.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 03:24:51 PM
W'spam may have already posted this link. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video Listen to all of it and understand what he is saying; what's not to like about it ? Additionally: He wants to control illegal immigration into the USA; He wants the USA to be less divided. He wants the USA to be less of a world policeman. He wants to stop throwing money at NATO. [NATO ceased to have a real function after the Berlin wall came down and Gorbachev had his days with glasnost and perestroika] He wants to stop wasting money on climate change. He wants to talk to Putin rather than lob one in on The Kremlin. He wants a bit of protectionism for American jobs. For an American citizen what's not to like about it ?
..............Make new trade deals.
.........reopen the coal mines, the steel industry.
.....take better care of veterans.
...Build new schools, hospitals, highways.
He's been saying the right things the whole time.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 03:25:04 PM
Trump is essentially a moron who would never had a chance if another democrat had won.
Now the monkeys who voted for him, quick evolution joke there, will have to deal with the consequences.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
.........reopen the coal mines, the steel industry.
.....take better care of veterans.
...Build new schools, hospitals, highways.
He's been saying the right things the whole time.
He's also lowering taxes for all, substantially, whilst pledging to build all this new infrastructure whilst also pledging to undertake a repatriation programme which will cost hundreds of billions, oh and a wall which will cost more hundreds of billions, plus he's going to slap huge tariffs on imports and pull out of the WTO and we don't think he's going to plunge his country into deeper debt and depression? OK, if you say so! Let's see how popular he is in 4 years time. He will have to make good on a HUGE number of these costly promises in a short space of time, either that of bank on doing away with the democratic process altogether by the time 4 years is up.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 03:32:15 PM
Nazi Germany was debt free & prosperous, once the jew bankers were thrown out.
Maybe America will be great again, when the mexicans go home.
Once upon a time in Spamland, there were some very naughty people who didn't believe all the verbal garbage coming from an over-inflated orange skinned sociopath whose name means fart.
Fortunately, those people can see what a wind up merchant Spamland is, for if he really believed those things, and dared say them in public, he would be arrested on a charge of incitement for racial hatred.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
Trump could enslave the Mexican illegals instead of sending them home and get them to build the wall and the roads at gunpoint. Work them into the ground then there will be no need to repatriate them anyway. I'm sure Spam would wholeheartedly endorse such a solution. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 03:54:09 PM
Trump could enslave the Mexican illegals instead of sending them home and get them to build the wall and the roads at gunpoint. Work them into the ground then there will be no need to repatriate them anyway. I'm sure Spam would wholeheartedly endorse such a solution. 8((()*/
Think of all those jobs a wall would create in four years. Consultants estimate it will cost at least $10 billion to cover nearly 2000 miles. Would a crocodile filled canal do the same job yet add well needed irrigation?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 04:20:31 PM
I am just giving my opinion of people who clearly don't possess an uncle of common sense or logic.
Actually I've been insulting monkeys . Sorry monkeys, you are smarter than that. 8((()*/
Like me, you mean. I'm a monkey because I would have voted for Trump if I had a vote. But the last time I looked America was still a Democracy. And Trump won by a good margin.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 09, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
Like me, you mean. I'm a monkey because I would have voted for Trump if I had a vote. But the last time I looked America was still a Democracy. And Trump won by a good margin.
He's a racist Eleanor. Surely you have grasped that by know, and you have never come across as that.
Have you checked out his history ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 04:52:49 PM
Unfortunately, I have encountered people who think that way.
They do not think rationally. They merely follow their brainwashed doctrine.
I have absolutely no problem with foreigners, all the different race, religion, colour & creed...., provided they all stay in their own countries where they belong.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
I have absolutely no problem with foreigners, all the different race, religion, colour & creed...., provided they all stay in their own countries where they belong.
We all belong on one planet.
Has that escaped your attention and it is accepted theory that the human race originated in Africa, unless you're a creationist of course, or the equivalent.
You can book a ticket there Spam. Pick a country.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
The Daily Telegraph sums it up. Clinton was a catastrophic candidate.
Even Sanders would have wiped the floor with Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 05:27:46 PM
Has that escaped your attention and it is accepted theory that the human race originated in Africa, unless you're a creationist of course, or the equivalent.
You can book a ticket there Spam. Pick a country.
No, I don't believe the THEORY that the human race originated in Africa. And No, I am not a Creationist.
Neither do I believe that anyone has a right to go to another country and kill it's citizens just because they don't agree about Religion.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 05:53:38 PM
No, I don't believe the THEORY that the human race originated in Africa. And No, I am not a Creationist.
Neither do I believe that anyone has a right to go to another country and kill it's citizens just because they don't agree about Religion.
What of America's interference of other countries ?
So where do you think the human race originated Eleanor ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
Excellent comment from a Times reader below:
"I'm not sure politics can ever recover from the fact that you can say; Mexicans are rapists and we will blanket ban people of a certain faith from entering the country, and still be elected to the highest office in the WORLD.
If the electorate thinks that such things need not bar one from office then we really are only ever 1 election away from fascism and all that travels with it".
Yup.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
Incidentally, whose going to vote for Jeremy and his campaign for nuclear disarmament now I wonder...? &%+((£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2016, 06:02:40 PM
"I'm not sure politics can ever recover from the fact that you can say; Mexicans are rapists and we will blanket ban people of a certain faith from entering the country, and still be elected to the highest office in the WORLD.
If the electorate thinks that such things need not bar one from office then we really are only ever 1 election away from fascism and all that travels with it".
Yup.
Except that he was talking about ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants & proposed a temporary ban on Muslims coming into the country.
But leftist idiots like to ignore the facts.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 09, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
I don't see the problem with that, it's law abiding afterall.
Many of these illegals have scant regard for law and order so what Farage achieved in the UK and what Trump has now achieved in the USA are intrinsically linked.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 09, 2016, 06:10:17 PM
Has that escaped your attention and it is accepted theory that the human race originated in Africa, unless you're a creationist of course, or the equivalent.
You can book a ticket there Spam. Pick a country.
One size fits all doesn't work otherwise the whole of Europe might as well open up its doors to every poor sod in Africa and Asia and everywhere in between.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 09, 2016, 06:15:37 PM
Many of these illegals have scant regard for law and order so what Farage achieved in the UK and what Trump has now achieved in the USA are intrinsically linked.
Some facts:
all foreign born ethnicities, including blacks, have lower crime rates than the average for US natives.
One size fits all doesn't work otherwise the whole of Europe might as well open up its doors to every poor sod in Africa and Asia and everywhere in between.
That was never going to happen.
So don't try that old cliche.
I've heard that one from police officers on many occasions. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 06:39:25 PM
So Clinton actually got more votes in America than Trump.
So why aren't the brexiteers commenting on that I wonder. &%+((£
'Despite losing the race to Trump, Clinton won the national popular vote and amassed 59,059,121 votes compared to her rival's 58,935,231.'
Think of all those jobs a wall would create in four years. Consultants estimate it will cost at least $10 billion to cover nearly 2000 miles. Would a crocodile filled canal do the same job yet add well needed irrigation?
He could use the crocogators he finds when he drains the swamp so it would that much cheaper.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 07:58:36 PM
I see that Israeli government officials like the result.
Namely because it will end the two state solution.
Prognosis, this will invite even more extreme reaction in the jihadists.
So, utterly predictable.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: misty on November 09, 2016, 08:39:37 PM
Mrs Merkel is none too pleased, it seems. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-merkel-germany-donald-trump-us-election-warning_uk_582313c5e4b020461a1e8713
Still, at least Assad can sleep easily tonight. I keep hoping the next time I open my eyes 2016 will just have been a horrible nightmare. The Americans have proved they are even more stupid than the British when it comes to politics.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2016, 09:10:39 PM
Mrs Merkel is none too pleased, it seems. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-merkel-germany-donald-trump-us-election-warning_uk_582313c5e4b020461a1e8713
Still, at least Assad can sleep easily tonight. I keep hoping the next time I open my eyes 2016 will just have been a horrible nightmare. The Americans have proved they are even more stupid than the British when it comes to politics.
We agree again Misty.
8((()*/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Of course these would be recorded figures not actual crimes committed figures. The comparisons are flawed as people of any race can commit crimes and not be caught.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 09, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Mrs Merkel is none too pleased, it seems. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/angela-merkel-germany-donald-trump-us-election-warning_uk_582313c5e4b020461a1e8713
Still, at least Assad can sleep easily tonight. I keep hoping the next time I open my eyes 2016 will just have been a horrible nightmare. The Americans have proved they are even more stupid than the British when it comes to politics.
And why shouldn't the people of Syria feel safe to sleep tonight?. Assad is a b........, however he is the elected b........ President of Syria- he chose Iran over the Saudis to let them build a pipeline. The Saudis take the huff -ISIS is born finacially supported by the USA and Saudis... mmmmmm. OK so lets go back to WTF has this got to do with the USA anyway OR the UK for that matter. Those 'child refugees' Have nothing to do with fleeing war- saudis and USA governement are to blame for them being created. I hope Trump will join forces with Russia to kill off ISIS. And all those lose cannons fleeing to UK from Iraq, Africa can just stay and fight for their culture and not bring it here for us to put up with it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: misty on November 09, 2016, 10:37:56 PM
That's another part of the nightmare, Stephen. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: mercury on November 09, 2016, 10:58:18 PM
Oh! Feels like a deja vu with brexit, outrageous campaign and lies told on both sides Well hes there now People must get positive and ride it out Nothings written in stone one way or the other Lets hope he uses his great power in positive ways Never know , might surprise us as he seems to be a bit of a chameleon/man of two faces, unpredictable
He won for two reasons, a better speaker and people rouser than Clinton, and the tapping into all the reasons many are disgruntled about and offering different solutions (even if those solutions seem mad) Theres more, but Im so glad the circus is over
Ps for what its worth hilary recieved more votes but not in the right places
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 06:58:13 AM
Sadly millions of dumbass americans share Spam's views to a tee, so that's why it will be President Trump in the White House by the end of the year.
I was right. I usually am (apart from the being in the White House bit - that happens in January). 8(>((
The Simpsons were there in March 2000 "Bart to the Future". http://time.com/4564238/the-all-seeing-simpsons-predicted-donald-trumps-presidency-in-2000/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Trump is facing multiple law suits.
Being President Elect will not inhibit action
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2016, 12:16:17 PM
I see the peace loving democrat supporters have hit the streets to violently protest against democracy.
I've heard that one from police officers on many occasions. 8)-)))
You bet ya that aint gonna happen and that is why the people have defied the establishments, the media and the elitist political dons on both sides of the Atlantic to make sure it doesn't. Muslims should stay in Arabia where Sharia Law is on the rise and where robbers still have their hands cut off and women stoned for adultery. We have no need to import their uncivilised practises into any western civilisation.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 12:32:28 PM
You bet ya that aint gonna happen and that is why the people have defied the establishments, the media and the elitist political dons on both sides of the Atlantic to make sure it doesn't.
You mean the 25.5% who voted for Trump or the 25.6% who didn't vote for Trump. There's also the 46% of Americans who didn't vote.
Nice.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
If you mean the morons outside Trump Plaza in New York then they should round them all up and send them to Saudi where they might appreciate democracy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 12:43:08 PM
Oh by the way Spam. On LBC the other day, James O'Brien mentioned that some Trump supported were claiming that Hilary Clinton was behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I will give the link to that shortly.
I
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
If you mean the morons outside Trump Plaza in New York then they should round them all up and send them to Saudi where they might appreciate democracy.
Absoloutely, send them Hillary's women & gays, they'll be safe & looked after there.
Not like in the US, where President Trump will have them covered in Burkahs or executed.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 10, 2016, 12:45:25 PM
I hope Trump tightens up the penalties for this sort of behaviour, these people are neanderthals. And before any bleedin hearts start to defend them...don't bother!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2016, 12:46:06 PM
If you mean the morons outside Trump Plaza in New York then they should round them all up and send them to Saudi where they might appreciate democracy.
Or send them to Syria and Iran, and then they could tell the people over there all about how they should be behaving in a Democracy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2016, 12:46:17 PM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2016, 02:42:42 PM
Personally, apart from the odd, minor blip, I think it has been a jolly good debate all round.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Anti Trump protester, people have to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lVb3Wj2hPE
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 10, 2016, 05:43:24 PM
Who thinks that if Trump had lost, his supporters would have simply acquiesced and gone home quietly? Personally I think there may have been as much if not far more trouble on the streets, so in a way I think it's a blessing in the short term that Trump won. It would probably be all out civil war in the States by now had he not.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 10, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
Trump's own words, from some of his rallies. He seems to enjoy a good ol' punch up, especially when it's his "passionate" supporters delivering it.
"if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
"Get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do I’ll defend you in court." "Are Trump rallies the most fun?" he then asked the crowd. "We’re having a good time."
He then recalled an incident at a New Hampshire rally where a protester started "swinging and punching." Trump said some people in the audience "took him out."
"It was really amazing to watch," he said.
"See, in the good old days this didn’t use to happen, because they used to treat them very rough. We’ve become very weak."
In November, a Trump supporter "punched and attempted to choke" a protester at a rally in Birmingham, Alabama (according to the Washington Post); Trump said afterward that "maybe he deserved to get roughed up."
Who thinks that if Trump had lost, his supporters would have simply acquiesced and gone home quietly? Personally I think there may have been as much if not far more trouble on the streets, so in a way I think it's a blessing in the short term that Trump won. It would probably be all out civil war in the States by now had he not.
Me, I do.
You can think what you like about what might have happened.
But what actually has happened.... is Hillary supporters protesting democracy, the very thing they claim to support.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2016, 06:20:01 PM
You can think what you like about what might have happened.
But what actually has happened.... is Hillary supporters protesting democracy, the very thing they claim to support.
Protesting is a democratic right. They're just making their feelings felt about Trump, they're not calling for the election result to be overturned, so what's undemocratic about that? I thought you advocated freedom of speech and all that?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 06:48:22 PM
Protesting is a democratic right. They're just making their feelings felt about Trump, there not calling for the election result to be overturned, so what's undemocratic about that? I thought you advocated freedom of speech and all that?
As long as it suits his agenda.
By the logic of the brexiteers, they should be out complaining on behalf of Clinton, as she won more votes.
I've already seen though, that won't happen.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 10, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
What's hypocritical about it? In a democratic society we have the right to protest. Millions of people think Trump is a danger to their country, they have the right to get together, speak up and say so. Maybe under Trump that right will be revoked. Who knows? Of course they don't have the right to riot and commit acts of violence, but I don't believe they are ALL doing so.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
What's hypocritical about it? In a democratic society we have the right to protest. Millions of people think Trump is a danger to their country, they have the right to get together, speak up and say so. Maybe under Trump that right will be revoked. Who knows? Of course they don't have the right to riot and commit acts of violence, but I don't believe they are ALL doing so.
But a few too many.
However, tis lovely to think we don't all agree about everything.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2016, 07:28:43 PM
Who thinks that if Trump had lost, his supporters would have simply acquiesced and gone home quietly? Personally I think there may have been as much if not far more trouble on the streets, so in a way I think it's a blessing in the short term that Trump won. It would probably be all out civil war in the States by now had he not.
He didn't lose he won so your speculation is pointless.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
' A GAY man has claimed Donald Trump supporters smashed a bottle over his head in a homophobic attack on election night.
Chris Ball was left soaked in his own blood after the blow knocked him to the ground and caused him to smack his face on the pavement. '
How did the guy with the bottle know the other guy was gay? I think I can see it one guy in a leather hat and chains the other shaved bald head and Doc Martins.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 10, 2016, 07:36:26 PM
Day 1 in Donald Trump Land
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 07:40:54 PM
Meanwhile he has several appearances in court to look forward to. 8((()*/
Will Trump set a new record? "To date, no U.S. President has been removed from office by impeachment and conviction".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 10, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
There can always be a first.
Meanwhile, he could well be encountering substantial quantities of Sodium Stearate if the trials don't go well. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: mercury on November 10, 2016, 11:14:26 PM
Obamas sorted him out He called Obama a good man and wishes he spends a lot of time with him. which means his rabble rousing was just rabble rousing, strange situation
all over social media theres talk about stocking up on contraception..???? I knew Trump was a prolifer (alledgedly) but now seems hes as catholic as the Pope
None of the things he threatened to do are ever going to happen Thats asking for assassination and he aint that dumb
Just to add
I do think he is culpable 100 per cent for any violence/deaths as a direct result of his words
Incitement to hatred or violence Just like the ragtags in the uk of late criticising the high court judges verdict on brexit process
As to him personally, in president position, he will lose the clown act totally and take in what he has taken on
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
Obamas sorted him out He called Obama a good man and wishes he spends a lot of time with him. which means his rabble rousing was just rabble rousing, strange situation
all over social media theres talk about stocking up on contraception..???? I knew Trump was a prolifer (alledgedly) but now seems hes as catholic as the Pope
None of the things he threatened to do are ever going to happen Thats asking for assassination and he aint that dumb
Just to add
I do think he is culpable 100 per cent for any violence/deaths as a direct result of his words
Incitement to hatred or violence Just like the ragtags in the uk of late criticising the high court judges verdict on brexit process
As to him personally, in president position, he will lose the clown act totally and take in what he has taken on
What has he said exactly that incites violence & hatred?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 11, 2016, 08:20:58 AM
What has he said exactly that incites violence & hatred?
how about
"if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 11, 2016, 08:39:34 AM
"if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
Tip of the Iceberg.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2016, 09:18:10 AM
I have to say that the exchange rate on my Basic State Pension has recovered somewhat. I will likely only lose 50 Euros this month, as opposed to the 100 Euros I lost last month. So thank you, Mr Trump.
PS. Even 50 Euros loss is catastrophic. !00 Euros was not funny at all.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
"if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
Wow, how incredibly hateful.
It's not quite 'I hate N.....s' ....really is it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 09:46:01 AM
Clearly Trumps comments about throwing tomatoes are ultimately responsible for the current level of rioting....
I have to say that the exchange rate on my Basic State Pension has recovered somewhat. I will likely only lose 50 Euros this month, as opposed to the 100 Euros I lost last month. So thank you, Mr Trump.
PS. Even 50 Euros loss is catastrophic. !00 Euros was not funny at all.
Just the beginning Eleanor.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 09:54:33 AM
Haven't you heard what Trump said about certain people being sent back to Africa ? 8**8:/:
Everything in context.....Black Lives Matter had been tearing up the country, rioting, all year, promoting their racist ideology....
When asked what he would do about the protests and the issue of racially-motivated violence, Trump simply stated....
“there’s no such thing as racism anymore. We’ve had a black president so it’s not a question anymore. Are they saying black lives should matter more than white lives or Asian lives? If black lives matter, then go back to Africa? We’ll see how much they matter there.”
Spot on.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 11, 2016, 09:57:03 AM
Everything in context.....Black Lives Matter had been tearing up the country all year with their racist slogan....
When asked what he would do about the protests and the issue of racially-motivated violence, Trump simply stated....
“there’s no such thing as racism anymore. We’ve had a black president so it’s not a question anymore. Are they saying black lives should matter more than white lives or Asian lives? If black lives matter, then go back to Africa? We’ll see how much they matter there.”
Spot on.
...and if you believe that, you're a Martian.
Ku Klux Klan plans North Carolina 'victory' rally for Donald Trump - after group's former leader claimed they played 'huge role' in election win
Ku Klux Klan planning victory march for Donald Trump in North Carolina
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Plans were revealed on white nationalist group's website on Thursday
It comes after a former KKK grand wizard claimed credit for Trump's win
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Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 10:10:14 AM
Come on peace loving anti Trump folk here...stephens given up & Alfie thinks it's tomatoes....
Give me some examples of Trumps retoric or his planned policies that are so inciteful that they justify the current level of protest & rioting.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 11:20:41 AM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 11:35:50 AM
Black Girl Attacks White Girl at School for Supporting Trump.
“This girl comes up to me and she said, ‘Do you hate Mexicans?’ and I was like, ‘no,’ and she said, ‘You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,’
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55836
I don't remember Trump saying he hated Mexicans, he only spoke of deporting illegal Mexican immigrants & building a wall to keep the illegals out.
The MSM, with their deliberate bias & political agenda, constantly misrepresented Trumps comments throughout the campaign, & the left leaning idiots of America have been brainwashed by it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 11, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
you asked for examples of Trumps incitement to violence, I gave one. You didn't specify violence against a specific ethnic group. Shifting goalposts much?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2016, 01:27:56 PM
Well the situation is this: The lying cheating misoginist showman with the funny hair is President Elect of The United States. He reached that position by the American version of a process referred to as democracy. That's the situation has to be dealt with. Moan whinge play your face as much as you like but for the next four years that's it. The choice is deal with him or stick your head up your backside and pretend he's not really Mr President. Which would we prefer our PM did? As for the riots what you were really looking at was a bunch of folk rioting against democracy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 11, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
That is your opinion Alice.
It doesn't have to be agreed with.
Do you remember what Trump promised like a small child, if he didn't win the election ?
Toys out of the pram. definitely a description applicable to Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
My Basic State Pension can only improve, in that case. However, my only real concern has been for Britain. Brexit knocked the heart out of my Pension, but I would still have voted for it, knowing that it would. If I had had a vote, of course.
The Pound has been a joke for many a long year, and believe me, I have taken some knock backs over the last ten years.
But I am a bit flummoxed by for why the election of Donald Trump should have given a boost to what was always a hideously poor British Pension. That I worked for.
Try living on 500 Pounds a month. Fortunately I love my life in France enough to ride it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 11, 2016, 01:46:33 PM
Can we please be vaguely pleasant to each other? This is the best Debate that this forum has had in many a long time.
Insults are really not necessary. There isn't a single member here that isn't capable of choosing their words.
Please do so. I don't want to be deleting.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 01:48:22 PM
you asked for examples of Trumps incitement to violence, I gave one. You didn't specify violence against a specific ethnic group. Shifting goalposts much?
The example you gave was of Trump suggesting fighting back against the anti-Trump protesters, who were regularly attacking Trump supporters at Trump rallies.... (anti Trump protesters who were as it happens, funded & provoked.... by the Democrats...see wiki leaks)
Trump supporters weren't attacking Clinton supporters at her rallies......
Undercover Footage Shows Clinton Operatives Admit To Inciting "Anarchy" At Trump Rallies.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2016, 03:21:15 PM
One interesting, if that's the right word, point is that the race was always Clinton's to lose. She managed to do "a Jim Peter's" * ; now why do we think that was ?
*Those not old enough to remember see 1954 Empire Games marathon.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 04:04:40 PM
The example you gave was of Trump suggesting fighting back against the anti-Trump protesters, who were regularly attacking Trump supporters at Trump rallies.... (anti Trump protesters who were as it happens, funded & provoked.... by the Democrats...see wiki leaks)
Trump supporters weren't attacking Clinton supporters at her rallies......
Undercover Footage Shows Clinton Operatives Admit To Inciting "Anarchy" At Trump Rallies.
err, he suggested knocking out someone for throwing a tomato. You may think that's proportionate and rational but that's because you're a WUM.
Err, hello!....the democrats, them tolerant peaceful liberals like yourself, were paying people to disrupt his rallies throughout the campaign,..... using violence.
He suggested fighting back,...... who's worse......must be Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
Why Trump won, from a liberal comedians perspective....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 05:46:28 PM
The Telegraph’s train columnist Monisha Rajesh expressed a desire that Donald Trump be assassinated in a tweet Nov. 8.
A Financial Times writer Mark C.O’Flaherty tweeted at Rajesh, “I have no words…always wondered when a Nazi-scale atrocity would next arise. here it is…Here it is…”
Rajesh replied, “it’s about time for a presidential assassination.”
err, he suggested knocking out someone for throwing a tomato. You may think that's proportionate and rational.
Let's have a competition about how to respond to a criminal act.
Battery (throwing an object such as a tomato or egg which strikes someone) ? Well remember your Prezzer, who had an egg lobbed at him by a "mullet", responded with rather a good left to the mullet's jaw and was following up with a right.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 11, 2016, 06:01:15 PM
Let's have a competition about how to respond to a criminal act.
Battery (throwing an object such as a tomato or egg which strikes someone) ? Well remember your Prezzer, who had an egg lobbed at him by a "mullet", responded with rather a good left to the mullet's jaw and was following up with a right.
Hahahaha that was classic....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqfuUiBpXs
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
Err, hello!....the democrats, them tolerant peaceful liberals like yourself, were paying people to disrupt his rallies throughout the campaign,..... using violence.
He suggested fighting back,...... who's worse......must be Trump.
Trump is worse obviously. Presidential candidates should not be so bloody childish.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 11, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Let's have a competition about how to respond to a criminal act.
Battery (throwing an object such as a tomato or egg which strikes someone) ? Well remember your Prezzer, who had an egg lobbed at him by a "mullet", responded with rather a good left to the mullet's jaw and was following up with a right.
MY Prezzer? What are you on about? Oh, I get it - deflection. Trump implores his supporters to knock out anyone seen chucking a tomato his way and because Prescott thumped someone who chucked an egg his way and because he's a lefty that means I'm a hypocrite, so let's shift focus onto someone else and not the point we were discussing vis-a-vis Trump's incitement to violence. Right, nice piece of twisting going on there.
FYI I am not an admirer of Prescott, or of his thuggish behaviour (though at least he fought his own aggressor rather than inciting others to do his dirty work for him, unlike your Christ and Saviour The Donald), nor FYI have I ever voted for Labour in my life.
Twist as much as you want, you ASKED for an example of Trump inciting violence and I GAVE you a crystal clear example of it. At least have the good grace to acknowledge it without going off on some irrelevant tangent in an attempt to deflect - this thread is about Trump and what he has said and done and not Prescott, or any other politician for that matter. Just because other politicians are stupid, mendacious, violent, lascivious etc, does not mean it's perfectly OK for The President Elect of the USA to be all those things, does it?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 08:30:04 AM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2016, 08:45:59 AM
That is quite interesting, Stephen. But then The Oval Office needs a make over. It has been quite some time.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 08:52:17 AM
Into a Casino.
Meanwhile , more climb downs by Trump.
He will keep 'part' of Obama's healthcare.
What price his pledges ?
So yes, just another politician who breaks their word.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
What exactly was Obama's health care? I've never been able to quite fathom that. Not that I have anything against Health Care. Although I've been paying Insurance for that for years. And I wouldn't swap that for The National Health Service. It pays them to keep you alive here.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 10:44:41 AM
What exactly was Obama's health care? I've never been able to quite fathom that. Not that I have anything against Health Care. Although I've been paying Insurance for that for years. And I wouldn't swap that for The National Health Service. It pays them to keep you alive here.
The healthcare system Eleanor was intended to provide for people who couldn't afford health insurance in the States, where many people were unable able to get medical aid when needed.
Personally, I have little regard for Obama, as he has continued largely to push the Bush line in foreign affairs, but when he tried to apply beneficial policies in America, he was blocked at every turn by the Republicans.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
The healthcare system Eleanor was intended to provide for people who couldn't afford health insurance in the States, where many people were unable able to get medical aid when needed.
Personally, I have little regard for Obama, as he has continued largely to push the Bush line in foreign affairs, but when he tried to apply beneficial policies in America, he was blocked at every turn by the Republicans.
Thanks, Stephen.
Ah, well, Trump shouldn't have that problem, being a Republican himself. Gosh, haven't I done well. I now have some small conception of what is going on in American Politics after many years of having absolutely no idea. Although I still don't know which one is more to the Left.
In France, if you are poor then you get the best of Health Care anyway. Mine failed to be entirely Free because I own my own house, although I am not sure why that should matter since the house earns me nothing, and my income is pathetic to say the least. But I do get other periphery benefits that I don't even have to ask for. They come by virtue of my Tax Return.
But America doesn't actually leave people dying, does it? I really don't know. Or is it just about dignity. I don't have any dignity when it comes to need, although I still don't claim some things that I could get. But then I don't have any real needs.
Trump is The President Elect, and he can't be any worse than Obama. Such a disappointment he turned out to be.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 11:11:26 AM
Ah, well, Trump shouldn't have that problem, being a Republican himself. Gosh, haven't I done well. I now have some small conception of what is going on in American Politics after many years of having absolutely no idea. Although I still don't know which one is more to the Left.
In France, if you are poor then you get the best of Health Care anyway. Mine failed to be entirely Free because I own my own house, although I am not sure why that should matter since the house earns me nothing, and my income is pathetic to say the least. But I do get other periphery benefits that I don't even have to ask for. They come by virtue of my Tax Return.
But America doesn't actually leave people dying, does it? I really don't know. Or is it just about dignity. I don't have any dignity when it comes to need, although I still don't claim some things that I could get. But then I don't have any real needs.
Trump is The President Elect, and he can't be any worse than Obama. Such a disappointment he turned out to be.
But this doesn't answer my question. Are they left to die? I don't think so. And if they are then this problem spans many generations of both Republicans and Democrats.
There are two sorts of Health Problems. The essential and the non essential. I could get a Bunion operation here if I wanted to. Sorry, I can't think of anything more boring. And I don't allow it to bother me anyway.
As for Cancer, you can stuff it. I'm not having that. And I am certainly not having my body bombarded with treatment that is likely worse than the disease itself.
I simply do not believe that America leaves it's poor to die unaided. And nor will Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 12:03:36 PM
But this doesn't answer my question. Are they left to die? I don't think so. And if they are then this problem spans many generations of both Republicans and Democrats.
There are two sorts of Health Problems. The essential and the non essential. I could get a Bunion operation here if I wanted to. Sorry, I can't think of anything more boring. And I don't allow it to bother me anyway.
As for Cancer, you can stuff it. I'm not having that. And I am certainly not having my body bombarded with treatment that is likely worse than the disease itself.
I simply do not believe that America leaves it's poor to die unaided. And nor will Donald Trump.
I suggest you research that.
I will layer after work.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 12, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
MY Prezzer? What are you on about? Oh, I get it - deflection. Trump implores his supporters to knock out anyone seen chucking a tomato his way and because Prescott thumped someone who chucked an egg his way and because he's a lefty that means I'm a hypocrite, so let's shift focus onto someone else and not the point we were discussing vis-a-vis Trump's incitement to violence. Right, nice piece of twisting going on there.
FYI I am not an admirer of Prescott, or of his thuggish behaviour (though at least he fought his own aggressor rather than inciting others to do his dirty work for him, unlike your Christ and Saviour The Donald), nor FYI have I ever voted for Labour in my life.
Twist as much as you want, you ASKED for an example of Trump inciting violence and I GAVE you a crystal clear example of it. At least have the good grace to acknowledge it without going off on some irrelevant tangent in an attempt to deflect - this thread is about Trump and what he has said and done and not Prescott, or any other politician for that matter. Just because other politicians are stupid, mendacious, violent, lascivious etc, does not mean it's perfectly OK for The President Elect of the USA to be all those things, does it?
I asked for no so such thing. Throwing a tomato at someone is the crime of battery which you seem OK with but not OK with being decked for doing so. We understand you do not like Donald Trump but he is President Elect of The United States of America a situation over which you have no control. It's immaterial whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 12, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
I have to say that the exchange rate on my Basic State Pension has recovered somewhat. I will likely only lose 50 Euros this month, as opposed to the 100 Euros I lost last month. So thank you, Mr Trump.
PS. Even 50 Euros loss is catastrophic. !00 Euros was not funny at all.
It can't be easy Eleanor as thousands of retired Brits living abroad have found out. Having a foot in both camps I don't know whether to laugh or to cry sometimes. At least the pound has gone up from €1.11 to €1.16 as you report given recent events.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 12, 2016, 01:50:13 PM
I asked for no so such thing. Throwing a tomato at someone is the crime of battery which you seem OK with but not OK with being decked for doing so. We understand you do not like Donald Trump but he is President Elect of The United States of America a situation over which you have no control. It's immaterial whether you like it or not.
My apologies. I read your post on my phone whilst on a train. It was Spam who asked for the example, and who brought up John Prescott. If I'd realized at the time it was you I wouldn't have bothered responding.
But whilst we're here and before I put you back on ignore, you have accused me of being ok with tomato throwing. Perhaps you could give me the cite where I said that sort of behaviour was OK? Also, whilst we're at it, do you think being pelted with a tomato is in the same league as being knocked out by a thrown punch? Is a knock out punch the correct response to "battery" by tomato in your estimation? Was Trump correct to call for his supporters to knock out tomato throwers? I don't like Donald Trump and I don't care whether it's immaterial to you, him or the rest of the world that I don't like him. If I want to express my views on the subject I will, and if you don't like them I suggest you stop reading them, but then where would the sport be in that, eh Alice?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 12, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
The English KKK nailed a burning door to Charing Cross.... &%+((£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 02:35:36 PM
My apologies. I read your post on my phone whilst on a train and responded believing it was by the other WUM on the board. It was Spam who asked for the example, and who brought up John Prescott. If I'd realized at the time it was you I wouldn't have bothered responding.
But whilst we're here and before I put you back on ignore, you have accused me of being ok with tomato throwing. Perhaps you could give me the cite where I said that sort of behaviour was OK? Also, whilst we're at it, do you think being pelted with a tomato is in the same league as being knocked out by a thrown punch? Is a knock out punch the correct response to "battery" by tomato in your estimation? Was Trump correct to call for his supporters to knock out tomato throwers? I don't like Donald Trump and I don't care whether it's immaterial to you, him or the rest of the world that I don't like him. If I want to express my views on the subject I will, and if you don't like them I suggest you stop reading them, but then where would the sport be in that, eh Alice?
They are, all three, criminal acts. Battery, assault and incitement. I don't support crime nor do I believe in sliding scales for law breaking. That leads to some law breaking being considered accceptable => anarchy. So the chucker (A.N. Other), the puncher (I. More) and the inciter (D. J. Trump) are all much of a muchness in this analogy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 12, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Unconfirmed reports that freelance journalist Monisha Rajesh who works for The Telegraph, The Guardian, Time and The Huffington Post has been arrested in the US over her disgraceful tweet suggesting that Donald Trump should be assassinated.
Seems her employers are swiftly disassociating themselves from her comments.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 12, 2016, 04:35:22 PM
Butt Hurt Leftists Are Trying to Cancel the Election Result
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlt_fXJC8K0
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 12, 2016, 05:03:14 PM
CNN (Clinton News Network) caught faking news at Trump protest.
https://youtu.be/Zk02GZxbJvs?t=183
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 12, 2016, 05:20:07 PM
MSM Bias.
Compilation of CNN & MSNBC cutting interviews & just plain lying, during the presidential campaign, to protect Hillary Clinton & their political agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYRN8Clddw
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
Sir John Sawers, head of MI6 from 2009-14, said that in the worst case there would be conflict between the US and Russia or the US and China, and there was more chance of a nuclear war. “We’re getting back into a world which is quite dangerous,” Sir John told BBC Radio 4’s World At One.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 05:25:36 PM
It is quite amazing to watch Trump supporters typing B.S. in support of him, when the truth of what the man I'd, and his actions in the last few days are easy to access via the internet.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 12, 2016, 05:27:06 PM
Sir John Sawers, head of MI6 from 2009-14, said that in the worst case there would be conflict between the US and Russia or the US and China, and there was more chance of a nuclear war. “We’re getting back into a world which is quite dangerous,” Sir John told BBC Radio 4’s World At One.
Every major conflict from the past has started in the same way and the world is heading down that road right now.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Every major conflict from the past has started in the same way and the world is heading down that road right now.
Indeed and unfortunately, we are.
That allied with the new wave of extremists gaming power by people becoming disaffected with the political 'elite' has added to the mayhem, and it isn't over yet.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 12, 2016, 05:30:56 PM
Sir John Sawers, head of MI6 from 2009-14, said that in the worst case there would be conflict between the US and Russia or the US and China, and there was more chance of a nuclear war. “We’re getting back into a world which is quite dangerous,” Sir John told BBC Radio 4’s World At One.
Hillary Clinton was literally on the war path with Russia via her no fly zone plan in Syria.....
But naturally, Trump, with his talk of better relations, is far more likely to instigate WW3.
Yeah, makes sense.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
Hillary Clinton was literally on the war path with Russia via her no fly zone plan in Syria.....
But naturally, Trump, with his talk of better relations, is far more likely to instigate WW3.
Yeah, makes sense.
Yeah, just like it makes sense that you know more about shit than the ex-head of MI6.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
Sir John Sawyers:
'I don't think Donald Trump quite yet knows what the pressures will be on him when he becomes president,'
'We've seen that when he feels slighted, when he feels criticised, he reacts quite fiercely.
'If you translate that into global affairs it could have consequences which are dangerous for everyone.'
“Generally the worst case scenario is that after a honeymoon period with Vladimir Putin and Xi Jingping that the relationship between America and other great powers turns more confrontational - either because Moscow or Beijing misread a situation or that a Trump administration overreacts to something.
“There are always going to be regional conflicts that have to be dealt with. But the one thing the world cannot afford is a conflict between America and Russia or America and China. That’s the biggest thing that has to be managed.”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 12, 2016, 06:04:31 PM
Every major conflict from the past has started in the same way and the world is heading down that road right now.
Since the Second World War there have been four... I think? Korea: Syngman Rhee reckoned he was going to invade North Korea. Next thing he knew a ruck of North Korean tanks were sitting in his front garden. Well the N. Koreans probably thought he was being serious rather than trapping off. Then it degenerated into a proxy war between USSR and USA(UN) with Douglas MacArthur wanting to nuke the north. VietNam: Started when the French thought they were going to move back into their old colonial powers in Indo China after the Jpas were evited in 1945/6. Ho stuck it up the French at Dien Bien Phu but the elections promised at the Geneva Accords were never held and the USA with its Domino Theory in full sway supported a couple of bandits running the show in the south. Remember the self immolation of a buddhist monk in protest ? Ultimately Ho stuck it up the yanks in 1974 at the end of a sort of proxy war where the yanks fought but the USSR pumped in materiel through China. Middle East: Which bit? Israel v Arabs ?. Well being neighbours with a bunch who have vowed to drive you into the sea can't be easy and concentrates the mind. The bit where we supported Iraq when it was fighting Iran or the mess that has now been created ?. Balkans: As soon as Tito turned his toes up and his boot heel came off the neck of the trouble makers ...bang we left the 20th century as we had entered it....approximatively There is a bit of common thread running through there though.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 06:42:05 PM
One presidential candidate had an anti russian stance, the other was open to better relations.
The one that wants better relations is more likely to start war......
Great argument, you win.
One presidential candidate had a rational and even temperament, the other behaved like a spoilt child having a tantrum. The one with the temperament issues is more likely to start war.
Great argument. Sir John Sawyers wins.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Since the Second World War there have been four... I think? Korea: Syngman Rhee reckoned he was going to invade North Korea. Next thing he knew a ruck of North Korean tanks were sitting in his front garden. Well the N. Koreans probably thought he was being serious rather than trapping off. Then it degenerated into a proxy war between USSR and USA(UN) with Douglas MacArthur wanting to nuke the north. VietNam: Started when the French thought they were going to move back into their old colonial powers in Indo China after the Jpas were evited in 1945/6. Ho stuck it up the French at Dien Bien Phu but the elections promised at the Geneva Accords were never held and the USA with its Domino Theory in full sway supported a couple of bandits running the show in the south. Remember the self immolation of a buddhist monk in protest ? Ultimately Ho stuck it up the yanks in 1974 at the end of a sort of proxy war where the yanks fought but the USSR pumped in materiel through China. Middle East: Which bit? Israel v Arabs ?. Well being neighbours with a bunch who have vowed to drive you into the sea can't be easy and concentrates the mind. The bit where we supported Iraq when it was fighting Iran or the mess that has now been created ?. Balkans: As soon as Tito turned his toes up and his boot heel came off the neck of the trouble makers ...bang we left the 20th century as we had entered it....approximatively There is a bit of common thread running through there though.
'Middle East: Which bit? Israel v Arabs ?. Well being neighbours with a bunch who have vowed to drive you into the sea can't be easy and concentrates the mind.'
Have you forgotten that Israel holds a Nuclear arsenal reputed to be in the region of 80+ warheads, supplied by the Americans, and the Israelis refuse anyone to inspect any of their nuclear facilities.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 12, 2016, 06:51:40 PM
More from people who know what they're talking about, but no doubt Wonderfulspam knows better:
During the campaign, 10 former US nuclear launch officers, who once manned missile silos and held the keys necessary to execute a launch order, signed a letter saying Trump should not have his “finger on the button” because of his temperament.
One of those former officers, Bruce Blair, said that if US early warning radar showed the country was under attack by nuclear missiles, there would be time for a president to receive a briefing that could be as short as 30 seconds and the commander-in-chief would then have between three and 12 minutes to make up his mind. He would have to take into account that the early warning system had been wrong before and could be vulnerable to ever more sophisticated hacking.
“I think [Trump] lacks knowledge of the world, and knowledge of nuclear weapons and the consequences of their use. He’s not competent. He lashes out at the smallest provocation and he divides the world into winners and losers,” Blair said. “He’s a bully and I wouldn’t have confidence that he would be reasoned and restrained in a crisis.”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 06:55:41 PM
More from people who know what they're talking about, but no doubt Wonderfulspam knows better:
During the campaign, 10 former US nuclear launch officers, who once manned missile silos and held the keys necessary to execute a launch order, signed a letter saying Trump should not have his “finger on the button” because of his temperament.
One of those former officers, Bruce Blair, said that if US early warning radar showed the country was under attack by nuclear missiles, there would be time for a president to receive a briefing that could be as short as 30 seconds and the commander-in-chief would then have between three and 12 minutes to make up his mind. He would have to take into account that the early warning system had been wrong before and could be vulnerable to ever more sophisticated hacking.
“I think [Trump] lacks knowledge of the world, and knowledge of nuclear weapons and the consequences of their use. He’s not competent. He lashes out at the smallest provocation and he divides the world into winners and losers,” Blair said. “He’s a bully and I wouldn’t have confidence that he would be reasoned and restrained in a crisis.”
Absolutely right.
Trump is also an ignoramus, and his knowledge of any science would be outshone by a 5 year old.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 08:14:59 PM
Now for those who claim Trump is a great business man........................
'Middle East: Which bit? Israel v Arabs ?. Well being neighbours with a bunch who have vowed to drive you into the sea can't be easy and concentrates the mind.'
Have you forgotten that Israel holds a Nuclear arsenal reputed to be in the region of 80+ warheads, supplied by the Americans, and the Israelis refuse anyone to inspect any of their nuclear facilities.
No. But then I am naive enough to believe that the late Chuck Sweeney will always be what he is now, in accordance with his own desires. So far so good.
"And then finally, there is evidence in the documents that one of the big considerations -- Paul Nitze particularly on the Policy Planning Staff was thinking along this line - what if you use the bomb and nothing happens? Then you have not only failed in the immediate context of the Korean War, but you've called into question the entire credibility of the bomb on a worldwide basis. So what Nitze was grasping toward when he was thinking along these lines in 1952 and 1953, is the paradox that the only way that you can make the atomic bomb credible is precisely by not using it, by keeping it out there as a kind of mysterious, awesome force - that to use it would actually be to cheapen it somehow".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
No. But then I am naive enough to believe that the late Chuck Sweeney will always be what he is now, in accordance with his own desires. So far so good.
"And then finally, there is evidence in the documents that one of the big considerations -- Paul Nitze particularly on the Policy Planning Staff was thinking along this line - what if you use the bomb and nothing happens? Then you have not only failed in the immediate context of the Korean War, but you've called into question the entire credibility of the bomb on a worldwide basis. So what Nitze was grasping toward when he was thinking along these lines in 1952 and 1953, is the paradox that the only way that you can make the atomic bomb credible is precisely by not using it, by keeping it out there as a kind of mysterious, awesome force - that to use it would actually be to cheapen it somehow".
A brief reminder.
Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent if those behind the buttons are too scared to push them. We now have a child in a man's body who is known for his tantrums in 'charge' of the second largest nuclear arsenal.
Let's hope when he has a tantrum after taking office, if he gets that far, that someone will do the world a favour. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 12, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
Nuclear weapons are only a deterrent if those behind the buttons are too scared to push them. We now have a child in a man's body who is known for his tantrums in 'charge' of the second largest nuclear arsenal.
Let's hope when he has a tantrum after taking office, if he gets that far, that someone will do the world a favour. 8)-)))
So who in your book is favourite to have one lobbed in on them by the geezer with desert disease and the funny haircut ?
Whether he is good bad or indifferent he has congress and the house of representatives to keep him on track. The power to declare war rests with congress not the president although that can be circumvented to an extent, see Korea and VietNam. The process for launching a nuclear strike is a bit more complex than "'ere I didn't like that tweet you sent about me you s.o.b ; Do y'all like mushrooms ? then cop this one"... boom. It involves the Secretary of Defense who has to approve the order.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 12, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
So who in your book is favourite to have one lobbed in on them by the geezer with desert disease and the funny haircut ?
Whether he is good bad or indifferent he has congress and the house of representatives to keep him on track. The power to declare war rests with congress not the president although that can be circumvented to an extent, see Korea and VietNam. The process for launching a nuclear strike is a bit more complex than "'ere I didn't like that tweet you sent about me you s.o.b ; Do y'all like mushrooms ? then cop this one"... boom. It involves the Secretary of Defense who has to approve the order.
I am well aware of that.
However, you miss the point. Trump will surround himself with cronies who do his bidding.
You near to study this man-child, to understand the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 12, 2016, 11:24:49 PM
What has he said exactly that incites violence & hatred?
When a leader endorses the populations grievances and prejudices and therefore fires then up its called incitement especially when they dont offer peaceful solutions But offer more petrol for the fire
But no worries hes been calmed down by obama and the facts are he cant create any laws nhe facts are he has withdrawn on many issues
So its better now but we have so many riots against him....hs own fault
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2016, 03:52:42 AM
Set your alarm clock. On 20 January 2017, Donald Trump will take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the most stunning real-estate acquisition in the history of the modern world. In the time of transition between then and now, the apprentice president will be taught how to use the nuclear codes. He will also participate in a simulated crisis, a war game designed to better his understanding of how the White House deals with the unexpected.
For a trumpfounded world, as for many in his own country, his election is the Black Swan event of a generation. A serial bankrupt will be at the wheel of the world’s largest economy. A man with no experience of elected office will preside over a government machine with 2.8 million civilian employees and 1.5 million military personnel. A man who will be pursued into the White House by a pack of lawsuits will be in charge of the FBI. A man repeatedly described as unfit for the office by senior members of his own party will be the commander-in-chief with his finger on the trigger of more than 4,000 nuclear warheads. A man who knows little about the rest of the world will become the most powerful person on the planet. Two-thirds of Americans told pollsters that he lacks the temperament to be president, but he is going to be put in the high seat anyway.
One way to deal with a shock of such magnitude is to try to reduce it to more digestible proportions by telling yourself that it will not be as terrible as first feared. This is how some of the humiliated political establishment in the US are trying to cope with their nightmare. Some here and elsewhere in Europe are also trying to process their horror by telling themselves that he can be controlled. They endeavour to normalise the idea of President Trump by telling us that a man who bid for power by trampling over democratic norms will be constrained by the traditional boundaries once he has office. On this comforting account of the future, the Terrifying Trump of the campaign trail will morph into Tamed Trump. The most optimistic types even conjecture that he might evolve into a version of Ronald Reagan, highly scary to much of the planet when first elected, but a president who ultimately ushered the world towards a peaceful conclusion to the cold war.
Well, being an optimist by disposition, I would like to think that the rosy view is correct, because if he unleashes a fraction of the things he has threatened, he will be calamitous for America and the planet. But there are multiple grounds for scepticism about the sanguine view of President Trump. To believe he will turn into some sort of benign figure repeats the mistake constantly made as he marched on power. Some of those saying that he will be caged by office are the same people who said that no candidate could ever secure the White House by disparaging and demonising so many segments of the electorate. Yet get there he has. Orthodoxy contended that no candidate could prevail by trampling on so many democratic norms, among them threatening to lock up his opponent if he won and refusing to concede defeat if he lost. Yet prevail he did. Having secured the White House by shredding so many conventions, it takes one hell of a leap of faith to believe that he will now be controlled by the traditional rules
Another reason to be doubtful of the Tamed Trump thesis is the nature of his mandate. He has made the ritual noises of conciliation that follow every election by saying he will seek to govern for “all Americans”, but those hoary cliches sound especially empty coming from his lips. He did not gain ascendancy on a promise of unity and compromise, but by running on a platform of resentment, rage and bigotry. He was the most polarising presidential candidate of my lifetime.
He is already an epically divisive president before he has even take the inaugural oath. This will be compounded because the “Trump triumph” is a building without concrete foundations. He lost the popular vote, only gaining the White House thanks to the eccentricities of the American electoral system. Just one in four Americans voted to put him there, which is worth bearing in mind whenever you hear anyone calling this a “revolution” or a “popular insurgency”.
What Teddy Roosevelt dubbed “the bully pulpit” of the presidency can give its holder enormous sway over the emotions of that nation. At times of crisis, a president can cool passions or inflame them, stoke divisions or try to bridge them. I think we already have clues aplenty about what President Trump will do with the bully pulpit. There are compelling reasons to be fearful about how a man of his temperament will respond when he fails to make good on his many undeliverable promises. His impulse will be to try to displace the blame by unleashing the demagogic furies against minorities and foreigners.
His election presents the most serious challenge to the international order that has prevailed since 1945 Some of his more prominent supporters have been telling the world that it can relax because his wilder statements and more outlandish pledges were not meant to be taken seriously. It was just “campaign shtick”, a comic routine. You know he is a liar; take comfort in that. He has indeed flipped and flopped over a host of issues, but on some themes he has been as constant as the northern star. He lies a lot, but he does not lie all the time. There are critical policy areas in which he should be taken both literally and seriously. He is an economic nationalist. He has been clear and consistent about that and over many years. When he told America that it had been “raped” by cheap imports from China, he believed it – and so did his voters. That was key to his victories in the rust belt states in the midwest.
Some Brexiters are getting excited by the idea that he will fast-track a sweetheart trade deal for Britain. They should have a cold shower. A Trump presidency will not be friendly to the free trade on which so much of global prosperity now depends. There is a real and serious danger of a slide into protectionism or, worse, a full-scale tariff war of the sort that was so ruinous in the 1930s. Believe him when he says he will put “America first”. He may have stolen the slogan from previous iterations of American nativism and isolationism, but he has made it his own and made it resonant with voters weary of foreign entanglements, foreign workers and foreigners in general. His election presents the most serious challenge to the international order that has prevailed since 1945. “The leader of the free world” has often played the role imperfectly, but the lazy assumption of the rest of the world’s democracies, especially those in Europe, has been that it could always be relied on to be there. We now see how complacent that was.
He is not the first American to say that its allies have been freeloading. Europeans have for too long relied on the US to be the guarantor of their security without asking themselves how long an increasingly resentful America would be willing to pick up a disproportionate amount of the bill. What is scarily novel about him is that he is the first incoming American president to have declared, in language noted in Moscow and Beijing, that his commitment to Nato and the security pacts with Japan and South Korea is ambiguous.
President Trump will be an especially bracing experience for a Britain that is already in the processing of severing itself from its other historic alliance with the EU. Successive British prime ministers have flattered themselves and their citizens with the idea that this country has a unique bond with the US that awards it privileged access to the Oval Office and amplified influence on the world stage. Any signs to the contrary have been a cause of alarm. When Barack Obama was elected president, it was reported as a great slight that he had a longer first phone call with Nicolas Sarkozy, then the French president, than he did with Gordon Brown. Theresa May was put on hold until Donald Trump had talked to nine other leaders before she finally got to exchange banalities about “the special relationship”. Downing Street has no links to the next American president or his inner circle. Neither does anyone else in Europe.
British ministers are deriving comfort from the idea that he is essentially a deal-maker, a man who once said: “Everything is negotiable.” Where they find reassurance, I see cause for great alarm in an entirely transactional, values-free American foreign policy that no longer feels any moral responsibility to champion liberty, human rights and the rule of law. Just hear the delight being expressed by autocrats the world over.
The gravest threat to the planet is a conflict between major powers. We were already in the throes of a turbulent transition from American dominance into a multi-polar world. Even the most level-headed leadership would struggle to manage that massive geopolitical adjustment. That is why the temperament of Donald Trump, a thin-skinned narcissist prone to react to the slightest provocation by lashing out, so terrifies so many.
By all means hope for the best. It will make it easier to sleep at night. The sensible will prepare for the worst. •
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 13, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
I lost interest after: "A serial bankrupt will be at the wheel of the world’s largest economy. A man with no experience of elected office will preside over a government machine with 2.8 million civilian employees and 1.5 million military personnel". It is inaccurate wrt to the bankruptcy bit because Trump as an individual has never been bankrupt and it shows a lack of understanding of what Trump's companies did within the US bancruptcy laws; in essence to retain control and restructure at someone elses expense. Immoral yes, illegal no, crafty yes... &%+((£ He remains the hundred a diddlyth richest bloke in The States so to suggest he has no business acumen is stretching a point. Richard Nixon was serial liar as was Hillary Clinton. Eisenhower lied to Kruschev about the Gary Powers incident resulting in Nikita stomping out of a summit meeting, so nothing new there
In four years time Trump will either stand down, seek re-election or the prophesised armageddon will have occurred. The danger I see is similar the one Syngman Rhee had in Korea in 1950. Some nutter will believe what Trump says, if he doesn't tone it down*, or worse what the MSM say he says, and as a consequence lob one in on him as a pre-emptive strike. Current warfare waged by the Yanks is no place for nuclear strikes it would be the wrong taxdiscs when iron bombs are good enough. Nuclear is mostly for destroying cities.
* read Kilcullen to find out what George W Bush was really like when there no cameras or reporters about. That may give a clue.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
I lost interest after: "A serial bankrupt will be at the wheel of the world’s largest economy. A man with no experience of elected office will preside over a government machine with 2.8 million civilian employees and 1.5 million military personnel". It is inaccurate wrt to the bankruptcy bit because Trump as an individual has never been bankrupt and it shows a lack of understanding of what Trump's companies did within the US bancruptcy laws; in essence to retain control and restructure at someone elses expense. Immoral yes, illegal no, crafty yes... &%+((£ He remains the hundred a diddlyth richest bloke in The States so to suggest he has no business acumen is stretching a point. Richard Nixon was serial liar as was Hillary Clinton. Eisenhower lied to Kruschev about the Gary Powers incident resulting in Nikita stomping out of a summit meeting, so nothing new there
In four years time Trump will either stand down, seek re-election or the prophesised armageddon will have occurred. The danger I see is similar the one Syngman Rhee had in Korea in 1950. Some nutter will believe what Trump says, if he doesn't tone it down*, or worse what the MSM say he says, and as a consequence lob one in on him as a pre-emptive strike. Current warfare waged by the Yanks is no place for nuclear strikes it would be the wrong taxdiscs when iron bombs are good enough. Nuclear is mostly for destroying cities.
* read Kilcullen to find out what George W Bush was really like when there no cameras or reporters about. That may give a clue.
That's your trouble Alice as regards Trump
You stay on the surface and don't dig deep.
I hope you don't believe that Trump has a rational mentality.
He has no morals and is a sociopath.
As to George W. Bush................92.
I'll let you work that one for yourself.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 13, 2016, 02:31:42 PM
This will disappoint Angelo - the wall and the waterboarding promises were just campaign talk apparently -
"Senior advisers to Trump have indicated that even his most startling promise, to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants and make Mexico pay for it, had been campaign rhetoric rather than reality.
“He’ll spend a lot of time controlling the border,” said Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives tipped as a possible secretary of state.
“He may not spend very much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it, but it was a great campaign device.”
Mike Rogers, in line to become Trump’s CIA chief, dismissed a pledge by Trump to bring back waterboarding of terrorist suspects — widely condemned as a form of torture — as “campaign talk”.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 13, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
Oh dear.
Right-wing blogs reacted with anger and disbelief at what they saw as signs that Trump was backtracking on some of his most voluble election promises.
“Trump isn’t even president yet and he’s already waffling on a full repeal of Obamacare,” wrote The Right Scoop. “What a principle-less chump!” The Anti Media blog condemned Trump’s “flip-flop”, asking: “Which of his campaign promises will be the next to go?”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 13, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
I hope you don't believe that Trump has a rational mentality.
He has no morals and is a sociopath.
As to George W. Bush................92.
I'll let you work that one for yourself.
There is no need to dig deep*. Two things make people bent; having a billion and wanting a billion. QED on "bent status". Most who reach the top in whatever line are probably megalomaniacs and will likely have sociopathic tendencies as well. QED on that. He made promises during the run up to election that he will not be able to keep. So do most politicians. QED He makes inappropriate remarks about women. The Kennedy clan would **** anything that moved. QED He is a bit childish with smutty schoolboy humour. Show me a bloke over 13 who will still not twitch a grin at Uranus, Huddersfield and rissole. QED He plays his face a bit (West Midlands version not Urban Slang). There are no surprises there so what I am trying to work out is why people are going apoplectic about a bloke who is merely the amalgam of many who went before him. So you don't want an irrational, lying, conniving, cheating geezer with his hand on the button. Try Richard Nixon, all of those and more and a Republican to boot yet he managed to extricate the US from VietNam without lobbing in nukes on Charlie, the Chinese or the Russians.
* if I do want to dig deep where would I do that? I guess there are some authoritative books on him somewhere. The MSM and wiki will be gold mines full of pyrites that's for sure.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 13, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
So Googling "Authoritative Books on Donald Trump" I found this in critics notebook by Michiko Kakutani , I apoolgise for the cut and paste 8(>((
"Books about Mr. Trump tend to fall into two categories. There are funny ones that focus on Trump the Celebrity of the 1980s and ’90s — a cartoony avatar of greed and wretched excess and what Garry Trudeau (“Yuge! 30 Years of Doonesbury on Trump”) calls “big, honking hubris.” And there are serious biographies that try to shed light on Mr. Trump’s life and complex, highly opaque business dealings as a real estate magnate, which are vital to understanding the judgment, decision-making abilities and financial entanglements he would bring to the Oval Office. Because of Mr. Trump’s lack of transparency surrounding his business interests (he has even declined to disclose his tax returns) and because of his loose handling of facts and love of hyperbole, serious books are obligated to spend a lot of time sifting through business and court documents. (USA Today recently reported that there are “about 3,500 legal actions involving Trump, including 1,900 where he or his companies were a plaintiff and about 1,300 in which he was the defendant.”) And they must also fact-check his assertions (PolitiFact rates 35 percent of his statements False, and 18 percent “Pants on Fire” Lies).
Perhaps because they were written rapidly as Mr. Trump’s presidential candidacy gained traction, the latest of these books rarely step back to analyze in detail the larger implications and repercussions of the Trump phenomenon. Nor do they really map the landscape in which he has risen to popularity and is himself reshaping through his carelessness with facts, polarizing remarks and disregard for political rules".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2016, 06:52:39 PM
So Googling "Authoritative Books on Donald Trump" I found this in critics notebook by Michiko Kakutani , I apoolgise for the cut and paste 8(>((
"Books about Mr. Trump tend to fall into two categories. There are funny ones that focus on Trump the Celebrity of the 1980s and ’90s — a cartoony avatar of greed and wretched excess and what Garry Trudeau (“Yuge! 30 Years of Doonesbury on Trump”) calls “big, honking hubris.” And there are serious biographies that try to shed light on Mr. Trump’s life and complex, highly opaque business dealings as a real estate magnate, which are vital to understanding the judgment, decision-making abilities and financial entanglements he would bring to the Oval Office. Because of Mr. Trump’s lack of transparency surrounding his business interests (he has even declined to disclose his tax returns) and because of his loose handling of facts and love of hyperbole, serious books are obligated to spend a lot of time sifting through business and court documents. (USA Today recently reported that there are “about 3,500 legal actions involving Trump, including 1,900 where he or his companies were a plaintiff and about 1,300 in which he was the defendant.”) And they must also fact-check his assertions (PolitiFact rates 35 percent of his statements False, and 18 percent “Pants on Fire” Lies).
Perhaps because they were written rapidly as Mr. Trump’s presidential candidacy gained traction, the latest of these books rarely step back to analyze in detail the larger implications and repercussions of the Trump phenomenon. Nor do they really map the landscape in which he has risen to popularity and is himself reshaping through his carelessness with facts, polarizing remarks and disregard for political rules".
Why not comment on Andrew Rawnsley's analysis of Trump.
He is an experienced political commentator and does know what he is talking about.
As to Nixon, Kennedy and co., done and dusted.
The perceived impression you and others gives Alice, is that there is nothing wrong with Trump and he is just the same as any other politician.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 13, 2016, 07:33:07 PM
Why not comment on Andrew Rawnsley's analysis of Trump.
He is an experienced political commentator and does know what he is talking about.
As to Nixon, Kennedy and co., done and dusted.
The perceived impression you and others gives Alice, is that there is nothing wrong with Trump and he is just the same as any other politician.
He's like no other politician I have encountered in modern times (well apart from maybe Nick Griffin) It's precisely because he's not like any other politician that he got elected.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 13, 2016, 08:08:51 PM
Why not comment on Andrew Rawnsley's analysis of Trump.
He is an experienced political commentator and does know what he is talking about.
As to Nixon, Kennedy and co., done and dusted.
The perceived impression you and others gives Alice, is that there is nothing wrong with Trump and he is just the same as any other politician.
I commented on Rawnsley's appraisal. As his bit about bankruptcy is demonstrably inaccurate why should I assume the rest is any less inaccurate?. [ propoganda trick: the appeal to authority]. For all he [Rawnsley] is a respected political commentator how is he as a clairvoyant? I did not say there was nothing wrong with Trump. He should not have met Mr Farage ahead of the legitimate leader of the UK government for example. The man was elected president of The United States of America in accordance with US electoral rules. Get used to the idea. It seems to me that there are some very conservative folk about who can't bear a deviation from their own preconceived ideas of "the norm" and will find any excuse to pillory the person who is, passing off previous historical similarities as irrelevant in their zealotry.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2016, 08:22:35 PM
I commented on Rawnsley's appraisal. As his bit about bankruptcy is demonstrably inaccurate why should I assume the rest is any less inaccurate?. [ propoganda trick: the appeal to authority]. For all he [Rawnsley] is a respected political commentator how is he as a clairvoyant? I did not say there was nothing wrong with Trump. He should not have met Mr Farage ahead of the legitimate leader of the UK government for example. The man was elected president of The United States of America in accordance with US electoral rules. Get used to the idea. It seems to me that there are some very conservative folk about who can't bear a deviation from their own preconceived ideas of "the norm" and will find any excuse to pillory the person who is, passing off previous historical similarities as irrelevant in their zealotry.
Personally I see zealotry and bigotry in every aspect of Trump's behaviour and from his devoted followers.
Perhaps you can provide cites where Rawnsley is incorrect.
The man has escaped his financial responsibilities 4 times in filing for chapter 11 in the failed businesses and failure to pay taxes. He has a long record of failing to pay for work done by many former employees.
I look forward to the fourtcoming trials including ones for fraud. He has escaped justice before, but he won't escape the consequences of his actions forever.
He has now announced he intends to rapidly remove 2 to 3 million illegal immigrants from America and has reaffirmed his intention to build the wall on the Mexican border. A true recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 13, 2016, 10:30:41 PM
Personally I see zealotry and bigotry in every aspect of Trump's behaviour and from his devoted followers.
Perhaps you can provide cites where Rawnsley is incorrect.
The man has escaped his financial responsibilities 4 times in filing for chapter 11 in the failed businesses and failure to pay taxes. He has a long record of failing to pay for work done by many former employees.
I look forward to the fourtcoming trials including ones for fraud. He has escaped justice before, but he won't escape the consequences of his actions forever.
He has now announced he intends to rapidly remove 2 to 3 million illegal immigrants from America and has reaffirmed his intention to build the wall on the Mexican border. A true recipe for disaster.
Six times
He said Trump was a serial bankrupt or words to that effect. Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy.
"One of the first issues with public perception of the "Trump bankruptcy" trope is that many people don't fully understand the nature of the bankruptcy process, or the distinctions between personal and corporate bankruptcies. Many people tend to view all bankruptcies as something like the denouement of a game of Monopoly: "Ha-ha, you ran out of money! Game over. You lose!"
Donald Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, but he has sought bankruptcy protection for businesses controlled by him several times — as he (or whoever populates his Twitter account) is fond of pointing out"
That should suffice but there are others; even some on Wiki 8(0(*. But to use your argument most of it is over 20 years ago so is water under the bridge.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2016, 10:34:56 PM
"One of the first issues with public perception of the "Trump bankruptcy" trope is that many people don't fully understand the nature of the bankruptcy process, or the distinctions between personal and corporate bankruptcies. Many people tend to view all bankruptcies as something like the denouement of a game of Monopoly: "Ha-ha, you ran out of money! Game over. You lose!"
Donald Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, but he has sought bankruptcy protection for businesses controlled by him several times — as he (or whoever populates his Twitter account) is fond of pointing out"
That should suffice but there are others; even some on Wiki 8(0(*. But to use your argument most of it is over 20 years ago so is water under the bridge.
I do know it wasn't personal bankruptcies. Doh.
...and of course he has used these bankruptcies not to pay tax, which the stupid people who voted for him did. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: sadie on November 13, 2016, 11:05:52 PM
"One of the first issues with public perception of the "Trump bankruptcy" trope is that many people don't fully understand the nature of the bankruptcy process, or the distinctions between personal and corporate bankruptcies. Many people tend to view all bankruptcies as something like the denouement of a game of Monopoly: "Ha-ha, you ran out of money! Game over. You lose!"
Donald Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, but he has sought bankruptcy protection for businesses controlled by him several times — as he (or whoever populates his Twitter account) is fond of pointing out"
That should suffice but there are others; even some on Wiki 8(0(*. But to use your argument most of it is over 20 years ago so is water under the bridge.
Six times a bankrupt! .... says it all.
Doesn't matter how long ago his bankruptcies occurred, he repeatedly did it ... and fiddled his tax and employees. The man is morally devoid.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
People are acting like Trump is going to reintroduce slavery, persecute women & execute blacks & gays..... ........like he's muslim or something.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 14, 2016, 09:26:54 AM
I see the wall is back on the cards, though downgraded to a fence in some parts. Also 2 million detentions and / or deportations of criminal gang members - sounds like there will be lots of new prisons built and possibly war on the streets in some cities as law enforcement attempts to round up these 2 million criminals. Oh well, God loves a trier...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 14, 2016, 09:30:50 AM
People are acting like Trump is going to reintroduce slavery, persecute women & execute blacks & gays..... ........like he's muslim or something.
Actually that's what I've always found paradoxical about the Far Right and their Islamophobia. They actually do have so much in common with Muslims - an emphasis on family and tradition, a solid belief in old school religious values and "eye-for-an-eye" retribution, women's place in the home, Sub-Saharan Africans as sub-humans ripe for exploitation, gays as unnatural and against God etc. Really they should make excellent bed-follows!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 09:32:42 AM
I see the wall is back on the cards, though downgraded to a fence in some parts. Also 2 million detentions and / or deportations of criminal gang members - sounds like there will be lots of new prisons built and possibly war on the streets in some cities as law enforcement attempts to round up these 2 million criminals. Oh well, God loves a trier...
Why not just let them all stay, grant them US citizenship.....do away with borders & the rule of law.
P.S......Bill Clinton deported 12million illegals during his tenure.....the racist.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 14, 2016, 09:56:21 AM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 10:14:59 AM
Doesn't matter how long ago his bankruptcies occurred, he repeatedly did it ... and fiddled his tax and employees. The man is morally devoid.
It doesn't matter what you or I think of him the American people voted for him, in accordance with their system, as their President warts and all. Live with it or jump off a cliff.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 10:18:38 AM
I see the wall is back on the cards, though downgraded to a fence in some parts. Also 2 million detentions and / or deportations of criminal gang members - sounds like there will be lots of new prisons built and possibly war on the streets in some cities as law enforcement attempts to round up these 2 million criminals. Oh well, God loves a trier...
The parts that are already there no doubt.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 14, 2016, 10:25:06 AM
I'm afraid that is all I see in your posts in regard to Trump.
Nothing of consequence.
You still have yet to explain how he is so much different from so many who have gone before that you are so incensed he President Elect. You actually sound like the "Amaral is the devil incarnate crowd".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
I have observed reactions to both Brexit and Trump on various media.
What comes through most of all in peoples comments, is the belief in soundbites and complete ignorance of the world around them.
It is rather like the opinion on capital punishment. If there was a referendum, there would undoubtedly be a majority in favour, as 'polls' have shown. Yet when asked, what is someone was innocent and convicted of a murder, would capital punishment be OK, they still answer yes, or haven't considered that possibility, let alone if someone they knew was in that predicament.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 10:33:21 AM
You still have yet to explain how he is so much different from so many who have gone before that you are so incensed he President Elect. You actually sound like the "Amaral is the devil incarnate crowd".
Did you even read the link I provided the other day as regards Trump.
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
Can we have an impartial cite for that quote, in context and the person quoted given a name please.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 14, 2016, 12:08:10 PM
This man's clearly a psychopath or a troll (or both). So all those who voted for a candidate other than Trump are also psychopaths or trolls or both, is that the extent of your reasoning?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
This man's clearly a psychopath or a troll (or both). So all those who voted for a candidate other than Trump are also psychopaths or trolls or both, is that the extent of your reasoning?
It does seem that Trump supporters, believe in his soundbites and no view of reality other than the garbage he speaks.
Likewise, there is a rather large number of Trump supporters who are clearly and utterly doolally, yet they ignore them.
There is a parallel of course with the McCann case, where I have seen nutters on both sides of the fence, yet here some people won't accept that applies to this situation, i.e. they only believe they are the ones opposing Trump, no matter that they have already been shown that is blatantly not true.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 12:38:38 PM
This man's clearly a psychopath or a troll (or both). So all those who voted for a candidate other than Trump are also psychopaths or trolls or both, is that the extent of your reasoning?
Did I say that?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
Xi & Trump express ‘mutual respect’ in 1st phone call, agree to meet soon.
How is China going to react to Trump when he slaps a 45% import tariff on all goods from China, do you think they will be pleased?
No, I can't imagine there will be sensible negotiations on the matter of trade, Trump will probably get angry, push the button & destroy us all, because of the price of steel.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 14, 2016, 12:55:59 PM
Protester’s ‘Rape Melania’ sign draws strong rebuke, sparking Twitter trend
This will disappoint Angelo - the wall and the waterboarding promises were just campaign talk apparently -
"Senior advisers to Trump have indicated that even his most startling promise, to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants and make Mexico pay for it, had been campaign rhetoric rather than reality.
“He’ll spend a lot of time controlling the border,” said Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives tipped as a possible secretary of state.
“He may not spend very much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it, but it was a great campaign device.”
Mike Rogers, in line to become Trump’s CIA chief, dismissed a pledge by Trump to bring back waterboarding of terrorist suspects — widely condemned as a form of torture — as “campaign talk”.
Border security between the US and Mexico was always going to get beefed up regardless of whether it is a wall where appropriate or a new fence or whatever. Gingrich is trying to look important in Trump's shadow.
I see the wall is back on the cards, though downgraded to a fence in some parts. Also 2 million detentions and / or deportations of criminal gang members - sounds like there will be lots of new prisons built and possibly war on the streets in some cities as law enforcement attempts to round up these 2 million criminals. Oh well, God loves a trier...
Hurrah!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 01:39:19 PM
Border security between the US and Mexico was always going to get beefed up regardless of whether it is a wall where appropriate or a new fence or whatever. Gingrich is trying to look important in Trump's shadow.
Hurrah!!
...and what of the Oceans around Mexico and America's coasts ?
How exactly will Trump make Mexico pay for the wall ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 14, 2016, 01:45:15 PM
It's what businessmen do all the time, threatened 45% and then 25% doesn't feel so bad.
Even 25% tariff on Chinese goods would be a monumental blow to both China and to US business and the poor folk of the USA.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 14, 2016, 02:13:32 PM
Of all Trump's election promises which ones do his supporters here think he will definitely stick to? After all, you believe him to be a man of principal who will make America great again so let's list here all the things you believe he will definitely pursue once he is in office.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 02:14:16 PM
Now I RECOMMEND you take some time and study Trump's background.
and if you can't see how dangerous this man is, you never will, now he is in a position of real power.
Imagine Sarah Palin as his Secretary of Defence......
Is she eligible?
"The Secretary of Defense (SecDef) is the leader and chief executive officer of the Department of Defense, an Executive Department of the Government of the United States of America. The Secretary of Defense's power over the United States military is second only to that of the President. This position corresponds to what is generally known as a Defense Minister in many other countries.The Secretary of Defense is appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, and is by custom a member of the Cabinet and by law a member of the National Security Council."
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 14, 2016, 07:43:09 PM
"The Secretary of Defense (SecDef) is the leader and chief executive officer of the Department of Defense, an Executive Department of the Government of the United States of America. The Secretary of Defense's power over the United States military is second only to that of the President. This position corresponds to what is generally known as a Defense Minister in many other countries.The Secretary of Defense is appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, and is by custom a member of the Cabinet and by law a member of the National Security Council."
Well, why not.
She's another right winger, just like Trump.
Besides that, what qualifications does trump have ?
perhaps, a B.Sc. in B.S. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 14, 2016, 10:38:59 PM
A quote from King Lear seems singly appropriate as regards Trump and those who believe in him.
'Tis the time's plague when madmen lead the blind'
into wars, which kill innocent, men ,women, and children and leave millions homeless and starving and without fresh water...lets hear it for the clintons, bushes, obamahs who are not rascist at all, they kill anyone who disagrees with them and their policy!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 02:40:04 AM
into wars, which kill innocent, men ,women, and children and leave millions homeless and starving and without fresh water...lets hear it for the clintons, bushes, obamahs who are not rascist at all, they kill anyone who disagrees with them and their policy!
Would that be in the same way as Trump is appointing white supremicists to his presidential team ?
As to wars, why are you singling out America ?
They are hardly unique. Look at the history of this country.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
Some are unable or unwilling to admit what this could mean.
Unfortunately, for some reason which is quite unfathomable given history, some people think the sun shines out of Trump's R'se.
And so the only democratic course of action is to sit back quietly, shut our mouths and let the White Supremacists take over. We all know how that tends to play out...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
And so the only democratic course of action is to sit back quietly, shut our mouths and let the White Supremacists take over. We all know how that tends to play out...
Indeed we do Alfie.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 15, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
Of all Trump's election promises which ones do his supporters here think he will definitely stick to? After all, you believe him to be a man of principal who will make America great again so let's list here all the things you believe he will definitely pursue once he is in office.
I think his pledge to built a wall. He has already clarified that this 'wall' could take several forms. I also believe his threat to expel illegals will materialize. Just yesterday I noted a question being asked on a radio programme about expelling Irish people who are in the US illegally. The answer came back that hard working people who have contributed to the US economy will not be deported since Trump has pledged to go after illegals who are gangsters and criminals.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 15, 2016, 11:36:38 AM
And so the only democratic course of action is to sit back quietly, shut our mouths and let the White Supremacists take over. We all know how that tends to play out...
Take to streets with M16s and Marlins why don't you? or better yet in Hummers bristling 50 calibres. While your at it hang a few "good ol' boys" from the poplars. I'll provide your air fare and kevalr jacket Alfie.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 11:39:30 AM
I think his pledge to built a wall. He has already clarified that this 'wall' could take several forms. I also believe his threat to expel illegals will materialize. Just yesterday I noted a question being asked on a radio programme about expelling Irish people who are in the US illegally. The answer came back that hard working people who have contributed to the US economy will not be deported since Trump has pledged to go after illegals who are gangsters and criminals.
You should remember John, Trump is under investigation for criminal activities, including fraud.
He is also trying to delay court cases until after he is sworn in. I can't imagine why. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
Take to streets with M16s and Marlins why don't you? or better yet in Hummers bristling 50 calibres. While your at it hang a few "good ol' boys" from the poplars. I'll provide your air fare and kevalr jacket Alfie.
What a prattish comment.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 15, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
I think his pledge to built a wall. He has already clarified that this 'wall' could take several forms. I also believe his threat to expel illegals will materialize. Just yesterday I noted a question being asked on a radio programme about expelling Irish people who are in the US illegally. The answer came back that hard working people who have contributed to the US economy will not be deported since Trump has pledged to go after illegals who are gangsters and criminals.
Sorry, was he saying that illegal Irish migrants will not be deported? What about hardworking any other nationality that's there illegally?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 11:51:13 AM
Sorry, was he saying that illegal Irish migrants will not be deported? What about hardworking any other nationality that's there illegally?
The jist of it appears to be that hard working people of any nationality who have contributed to society will not be expelled. It seems we now have two categories of illegal immigrants in America, the good ones and the bad ones.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 12:41:39 PM
The jist of it appears to be that hard working people of any nationality who have contributed to society will not be expelled. It seems we now have two categories of illegal immigrants in America, the good ones and the bad ones.
OK, so it's only the ones who have committed and been found guilty of crimes that will be deported? Or those ones together with any that look a bit iffy?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Who knows what might happen. If White Supremacists are to be in positions of power what might it mean for non-whites in the USA do you think?
Do you think blacks will be taking to the streets, rioting & looting ?.......FYI.... they've been doing that already for the past year BLM, despite the presidents skin colour,... can't imagine why the white majority voted against the violence.
Did anyone see Beyonce, the democrat celebrity figure head, dressed in a black panther outfit at the superbowl?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 01:35:10 PM
Do you think blacks will be taking to the streets, rioting & looting ?.......FYI.... they've been doing that already for the past year BLM, despite the presidents skin colour,... can't imagine why the white majority voted against the violence.
Did anyone see Beyonce, the democrat celebrity figure head, dressed in a black panther outfit at the superbowl...... race baiting bitch.
Well done for completely avoiding my question.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 15, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
Do you think blacks will be taking to the streets, rioting & looting ?.......FYI.... they've been doing that already for the past year BLM, despite the presidents skin colour,... can't imagine why the white majority voted against the violence.
Did anyone see Beyonce, the democrat celebrity figure head, dressed in a black panther outfit at the superbowl?
Yes, very ugly.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 01:46:41 PM
Obama, along with Hillary, Sanders & the MSM, have fueled the racial divide by supporting Black Lives Matter, ...despite this hate groups open calls for death to cops & whites.
They want dead pigs, chant 'no justice, no peace' ..... advocating violence, yet despite this, Obama invited their leaders to the Whitehouse, thus legitimizing a hate movement.
But Trump he's the bad one isn't he.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 01:48:32 PM
Obama, along with Hillary, Sanders & the MSM, have fueled the racial divide by supporting Black Lives Matter, ...despite this hate groups open calls for death to cops & whites.
They want dead pigs, chant 'no justice, no peace' ..... advocating violence, yet despite this, Obama invited their leaders to the Whitehouse, thus legitimizing a hate movement.
But Trump he's the bad one isn't he.
Some cites for the leaders of Black Lives Matter calling for violence towards and death of policemen please. Whilst we're at it, how many black panthers / BLM advocates did Obama appoint to positions of high office during his presidency?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
Some cites for the leaders of Black Lives Matter calling for violence towards and death of policemen please. Whilst we're at it, how many black panthers / BLM advocates did Obama appoint to positions of high office during his presidency?
DeRay Mckesson: All Actions of Black Lives Matter Rioters Are Justified.
They don't need to, the BLM mob have been doing it to themselves already.
Could you at least try and address the question? What does a rise in White Supremacist views, and endorsement of those views by the highest office in the land mean for non-white Americans? Would you expect an increase in equality as a result?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 02:04:34 PM
Could you at least try and address the question? What does a rise in White Supremacist views, and endorsement of those views by the highest office in the land mean for non-white Americans? Would you expect an increase in equality as a result?
The biggest killers of young black men in America are..........?
Hint, it isn't the KKK.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
Homicide statisitcs prove that blacks are more likely to be killed by their own' brothers in da hood' than they are to be killed by the KKK.
They have more to fear from their own, than anyone else.
Facts are racist.
It's a completely bogus argument and once again you have evaded my question. Will a USA with White Supremacists in positions of power lead to more or less equality for blacks and other ethnic minorities, in your view?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
It's a completely bogus argument and once again you have evaded my question. Will a USA with White Supremacists in positions of power lead to more or less equality for blacks and other ethnic minorities, in your view?
No, it's really not, it's just that it's one you can't win.
......and nothing will change, I don't think segregation will be re-introduced, do you?
I'll hazard a guess & say that there will still be black athletes, celebrities, rappers & crack dealers, alive & well come 2020.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
I see in the Sun newspaper an example of a Homo Moronicus Trumpius supporter, attacking someone who dare stage a non violent demonstration against the Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 15, 2016, 04:57:56 PM
No, it's really not, it's just that it's one you can't win.
......and nothing will change, I don't think segregation will be re-introduced, do you?
I'll hazard a guess & say that there will still be black athletes, celebrities, rappers & crack dealers, alive & well come 2020.
It is a completely bogus argument. For starters I wasn't talking about the KKK murdering people or suggesting that the entire population of blacks would be wiped out by 2020, I asked how black lives would be impacted by White Supremacists in the White House. Secondly your argument is akin to this - more children die of diarrhoea than malaria, therefore malaria is no big threat. Or - hippos kill more people than lions therefore lions are less of a threat to people. It's a bogus argument and irrelevant to the discussion.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 15, 2016, 05:24:25 PM
It is a completely bogus argument. For starters I wasn't talking about the KKK murdering people or suggesting that the entire population of blacks would be wiped out by 2020, I asked how black lives would be impacted by White Supremacists in the White House. Secondly your argument is akin to this - more children die of diarrhoea than malaria, therefore malaria is no big threat. Or - hippos kill more people than lions therefore lions are less of a threat to people. It's a bogus argument and irrelevant to the discussion.
It's policy that matters......& it sounds terrifying.
Just lowering myself to the general level displayed on this thread so far. You ain't going to shift him by writing stuff on here. You can't vote him out because a) you can't vote in The States and b) that is not up for grabs for another 4 years anyway........ your move.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
Just lowering myself to the general level displayed on this thread so far. You ain't going to shift him by writing stuff on here. You can't vote him out because a) you can't vote in The States and b) that is not up for grabs for another 4 years anyway........ your move.
Did I say it would shift him ?
You give your opinion, I give mine.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2016, 09:35:38 AM
From an article by lecturer David Tollerton, in today's Guardian opining on potential victims of a Trump presidency:
"Yet, as I sit with a stack of essays in front of me, the victim whose pain I feel for most immediately is the practice of logical, reasoned argument itself.
Statements issued by the Trump campaign saw no need to uphold any requirements to make sense or be based on evidence. Consider the assertions of widespread voter-fraud (in the case of Clinton victory), claims of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New York, the idea to extract Middle Eastern oil as recompense for US military costs, the theory that climate change was secretly invented by the Chinese for economic gain, or that Mexico would willingly pay for a border wall.
Such statements, and an array of others, were credible within the campaign’s own inner logic because the criteria for credibility did not include a basis in reality or even coherence. Under the banner “Make America Great Again” the type of argumentation I have been demanding of my students became defunct".
Well looking at the news reels of the protests and protesters there seems to be a common thread running through. They look a bit like some of the anti VietNam war protests but without Hanoi Jane [Jane Fonda].
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2016, 05:01:37 PM
Is that just another way of saying Trump is full of shit? Because I was only referencing a policy he said he planned to put in place, you referred to my comment as evidence that the level of debate on this forum was somewhat beneath you, laughable in fact. Perhaps it is Trump then who is laughable.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 16, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
Is that just another way of saying Trump is full of shit? Because I was only referencing a policy he said he planned to put in place, you referred to my comment as evidence that the level of debate on those forum was somewhat beneath you, laughable in fact. Perhaps it is Trump then who is laughable.
Your statement was: Even 25% tariff on Chinese goods would be a monumental blow to both China and to US business and the poor folk of the USA. That is your comment all your own work, voluntarily and FA to do with me and Donald Trump. My point is that had you been aware of all the tariffs over 25% that effect the import of Chines products into the US you should not have made such a gross error. Either you cannot do a simple bit of research into US trade tariffs or you assume the rest of us can't. There is of course a third option which I covered in my previous post. Trump was a guy who successfully ran for arguably the most important office in the world. Like any other person running for such office he bent the truth, told lies, smeared the opposition, made outrageous statements and made promises he will not be able to fulfil. Judge him on what he has achieved by 2020 not by what you, or correspondents who are paid to fill column inches on topical subjects, guess what he may do.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2016, 06:13:06 PM
Your statement was: Even 25% tariff on Chinese goods would be a monumental blow to both China and to US business and the poor folk of the USA. That is your comment all your own work, voluntarily and FA to do with me and Donald Trump. My point is that had you been aware of all the tariffs over 25% that effect the import of Chines products into the US you should not have made such a gross error. Either you cannot do a simple bit of research into US trade tariffs or you assume the rest of us can't. There is of course a third option which I covered in my previous post. Trump was a guy who successfully ran for arguably the most important office in the world. Like any other person running for such office he bent the truth, told lies, smeared the opposition, made outrageous statements and made promises he will not be able to fulfil. Judge him on what he has achieved by 2020 not by what you, or correspondents who are paid to fill column inches on topical subjects, guess what he may do.
I was aware when I wrote what I wrote that there had been tariffs placed on certain Chinese tyre imports (less than 25% I believe). I was also aware that this had not gone down very well with the Chinese (a point I made earlier) nor that it (the tariffs) had had overwhelmingly positive effects on the US economy generally. I wasn't aware that there were already in place tariffs of 25% on ALL Chinese imports into the United States, perhaps you could point me to the relevant cite for this as I can't find one?
It stands to reason that any substantial hike in import tariffs across the board on all imports from China, whether to 25% or 45% is going to have a massive detrimental impact on the economy, certainly in the short term, and by short term I mean for at least the duration of the Donald's term in office.
I do hope this post gives you a good laugh and that you can conjure up an appropriately sneering response before dinner time.
PS: good to see you acknowledge that Trump IS full of shit, and yet he was supposed to be different to other politicians wasn't he?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2016, 06:25:18 PM
Some facts:
Tariffs
First, on tariffs: In general, the president, acting unilaterally via executive action, can only impose tariffs of up to 15% and for 150 days to combat balance of payments deficits. This clause was used by President George W. Bush in 2002 to combat underpriced imports of steel; tariffs were priced at 8-30%. As a result, the U.S. angered trading partners and was held in violation of WTO commitments.
Over the course of our history, tariffs have been primarily been imposed by the Commerce Department or Congress—and under specific conditions, as put forth by the World Trade Organization (WTO). WTO stipulates that tariffs can only be imposed when there is material injury to the domestic industry.
When China and other foreign producers started dumping steel into the U.S. in 2014, the U.S. tried to fight back with anti-dumping tariffs. For its part, the WTO has mainly sided with China in its complaints on U.S. anti-dumping duties. In a report issued by the WTO last month, the WTO, for the most part, finds China to be justified in its grievances regarding U.S. tariffs on various types of steel.
That was a specific case, but that isn’t what Trump is talking about. He wants to impose a blanket 45% tariff across all goods imported from China if the country is unwilling to negotiate better trade terms for the U.S. This is against the spirit and rules of the WTO, and would lead to condemnation by the organization along with other trading partners. This might lead to U.S. withdrawal from the WTO, which Trump has the power to carry out as President.
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Now, tell me again - what is so laughably ridiculous about what I wrote?
"Even 25% tariff on Chinese goods would be a monumental blow to both China and to US business and the poor folk of the USA".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 16, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
Back in 2011 The Donald was calling for a tariff of "only" 25% on all Chinese imports (strange, when Alice tells us that these tariffs are already in place) - and here is the response of CNN Money to such a suggested tariff policy
So when I said ""Even 25% tariff on Chinese goods would be a monumental blow to both China and to US business and the poor folk of the USA" it seems I wasn't talking out of my arse after all. @)(++(*
this guy, an international trade attorney, Cato Institute Adjunct Scholar, political adviser pretty much says EXACTLY what I wrote above, only he gives a more in-depth analysis. http://lincicome.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/unbearable-asininity-and-immorality-of.html
I guess Alice will find his analysis completely ill-informed / laughable as well.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 16, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
Here is an example of Trump's high I.Q. 8**8:/:
Donald Trump claims his wife doesn’t poop or fart @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
The perfect woman, according to Trump, neither defecates nor breaks wind, and Trump claims his then-girlfriend Melania, who’s now his wife, has never done either.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2016, 08:43:08 AM
These Big Cities Refuse To Give Up Illegal ‘Sanctuary’ Status'
The day after Election Day, Seattle’s Mayor Ed Murray pledged that Seattle will remain a sanctuary city for undocumented immigrants, even if that means losing federal funding. That’s a real risk because President-elect Donald Trump, even before he won the presidential election vowed to crack down on cities that shield illegal aliens from federal immigration authorities, promising to block federal taxpayer dollars from going to them.
As my colleague, streiff explained in this piece, Trump’s Contract With the American Voter — his plan for the first hundred days of his presidency — includes canceling all federal funding to sanctuary cities as one of the five things Trump will do on day one of his presidency to restore security and the constitutional rule of law.
Seattle isn’t the only sanctuary city to say it will defy the anticipated federal crackdown on the sanctuary cities. Reuters reports that the mayors Los Angeles and New York also promised their cities would also remain sanctuaries to illegals and said they hoped Trump would not follow through on a campaign promise to withhold federal funds from “sanctuary cities” that shield people who are in the country illegally:
The nation’s two largest cities have sharply limited their cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities seeking to deport undocumented immigrants.
'That is not our job': LA police chief joins mayors of Chicago, New York and Seattle in refusing to help Donald Trump kick out illegal immigrants
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3937430/That-not-job-LAPD-chief-refuses-help-Donald-Trump-kick-illegal-immigrants.html#ixzz4QFnNSDGO Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 17, 2016, 09:02:42 AM
IMO Trump will need to call upon the army or perhaps create a whole new "protection squadron" with the specific aim of hunting down all the undesirables.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2016, 09:42:38 AM
IMO Trump will need to call upon the army or perhaps create a whole new "protection squadron" with the specific aim of hunting down all the undesirables.
Indeed, and possibly a recipe for anarchy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2016, 12:18:21 PM
These Big Cities Refuse To Give Up Illegal ‘Sanctuary’ Status'
The day after Election Day, Seattle’s Mayor Ed Murray pledged that Seattle will remain a sanctuary city for undocumented immigrants, even if that means losing federal funding. That’s a real risk because President-elect Donald Trump, even before he won the presidential election vowed to crack down on cities that shield illegal aliens from federal immigration authorities, promising to block federal taxpayer dollars from going to them.
As my colleague, streiff explained in this piece, Trump’s Contract With the American Voter — his plan for the first hundred days of his presidency — includes canceling all federal funding to sanctuary cities as one of the five things Trump will do on day one of his presidency to restore security and the constitutional rule of law.
Seattle isn’t the only sanctuary city to say it will defy the anticipated federal crackdown on the sanctuary cities. Reuters reports that the mayors Los Angeles and New York also promised their cities would also remain sanctuaries to illegals and said they hoped Trump would not follow through on a campaign promise to withhold federal funds from “sanctuary cities” that shield people who are in the country illegally:
The nation’s two largest cities have sharply limited their cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities seeking to deport undocumented immigrants.
'That is not our job': LA police chief joins mayors of Chicago, New York and Seattle in refusing to help Donald Trump kick out illegal immigrants
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3937430/That-not-job-LAPD-chief-refuses-help-Donald-Trump-kick-illegal-immigrants.html#ixzz4QFnNSDGO Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Is shielding or incitement to shield illegal immigrants not a federal offence. Mayor Ed Murray best watch out, he could end up sharing a cell with Hillary, Soros and a few more criminals.
Come to think of it isn't the new Mayor of London doing the same thing albeit quietly?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
IMO Trump will need to call upon the army or perhaps create a whole new "protection squadron" with the specific aim of hunting down all the undesirables.
Better late than never, maybe Theresa will do the same in places like Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, London and Glasgow? Let's purge the UK of this alien riffraff!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 17, 2016, 01:02:49 PM
I was aware when I wrote what I wrote that there had been tariffs placed on certain Chinese tyre imports (less than 25% I believe). I was also aware that this had not gone down very well with the Chinese (a point I made earlier) nor that it (the tariffs) had had overwhelmingly positive effects on the US economy generally. I wasn't aware that there were already in place tariffs of 25% on ALL Chinese imports into the United States, perhaps you could point me to the relevant cite for this as I can't find one?
It stands to reason that any substantial hike in import tariffs across the board on all imports from China, whether to 25% or 45% is going to have a massive detrimental impact on the economy, certainly in the short term, and by short term I mean for at least the duration of the Donald's term in office.
I do hope this post gives you a good laugh and that you can conjure up an appropriately sneering response before dinner time.
PS: good to see you acknowledge that Trump IS full of shit, and yet he was supposed to be different to other politicians wasn't he?
As usual Alfie you are labouring and posting under several misapprehensions.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Better late than never, maybe Theresa will do the same in places like Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, London and Glasgow? Let's purge the UK of this alien riffraff!!
I've seen a lot of riff raff in this country, and believe you me, I know where I'd stick them. *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
Is shielding or incitement to shield illegal immigrants not a federal offence. Mayor Ed Murray best watch out, he could end up sharing a cell with Hillary, Soros and a few more criminals.
Come to think of it isn't the new Mayor of London doing the same thing albeit quietly?
So what will Trump do, if they don't cooperate ??
Perhaps try to impose martial law.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 17, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Better late than never, maybe Theresa will do the same in places like Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, London and Glasgow? Let's purge the UK of this alien riffraff!!
"Alien Riff Raff" - good name for a band.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 17, 2016, 02:27:26 PM
Is shielding or incitement to shield illegal immigrants not a federal offence. Mayor Ed Murray best watch out, he could end up sharing a cell with Hillary, Soros and a few more criminals.
Come to think of it isn't the new Mayor of London doing the same thing albeit quietly?
Out of interest do you view "alien riff raff" as human beings, or some sort of revolting sub species that needs to be eradicated?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 17, 2016, 06:18:33 PM
Out of interest do you view "alien riff raff" as human beings, or some sort of revolting sub species that needs to be eradicated?
alien riff raff is what I would describe ISIS.ISIL et el, supported and financed by Saudis. Or anyone in general who feel that mutilating childrens genitals without anesthetic, many die from bleeding, forcing children age 6 up wards to marry and have sex with 50/60 yearold husbands, organised crime lords who bring misery in all shape and forms,drugs,sex slaves, workslaves etc... or should we only bang on and on about the black slaves from back in the day 1700's and turn a blind eye to what is going on now? But I do appreciate those types are humans too and should have the freedom of movement to enjoy these beliefs and enterprises...Does this make me a rascist well yes it probably does in some peoples eyes, But I couldn't care less. Kill or be killed.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 17, 2016, 06:21:48 PM
alien riff raff is what I would describe ISIS.ISIL et el, supported and financed by Saudis. Or anyone in general who feel that mutilating childrens genitals without anesthetic, many die from bleeding, forcing children age 6 up wards to marry and have sex with 50/60 yearold husbands, organised crime lords who bring misery in all shape and forms,drugs,sex slaves, workslaves etc... or should we only bang on and on about the black slaves from back in the day 1700's and turn a blind eye to what is going on now? But I do appreciate those types are humans too and should have the freedom of movement to enjoy these beliefs and enterprises...Does this make me a rascist well yes it probably does in some peoples eyes, But I couldn't care less. Kill or be killed.
Erm...OK, thanks for your opinion, but we were talking about the rounding up and deportation of illegal immigrants in America the vast majority of whom are Catholics.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 17, 2016, 06:44:49 PM
Erm...OK, thanks for your opinion, but we were talking about the rounding up and deportation of illegal immigrants in America the vast majority of whom are Catholics.
So why enter illegally? what are they up to? America has every right to remove people they don't want and some do have associaitons with terrorist groups. IRA and there was a relationship with IRA,and Libya during a difficult time.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2016, 07:10:36 PM
alien riff raff is what I would describe ISIS.ISIL et el, supported and financed by Saudis. Or anyone in general who feel that mutilating childrens genitals without anesthetic, many die from bleeding, forcing children age 6 up wards to marry and have sex with 50/60 yearold husbands, organised crime lords who bring misery in all shape and forms,drugs,sex slaves, workslaves etc... or should we only bang on and on about the black slaves from back in the day 1700's and turn a blind eye to what is going on now? But I do appreciate those types are humans too and should have the freedom of movement to enjoy these beliefs and enterprises...Does this make me a rascist well yes it probably does in some peoples eyes, But I couldn't care less. Kill or be killed.
Indeed, financed by Saudis, and we supply weapons which the Saudis use to kill civilians.
As to the rest, be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 17, 2016, 07:11:52 PM
As usual Alice you attack the poster not the post. Of course, if's more comfortable for you I'll put you back on ignore..? Your call.
Saying you are labouring under a misapprehension is hardly an ad hominem. Rather your call I would have said. I think you should do whatever you think is right but it's your decision not mine.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 17, 2016, 07:14:10 PM
Saying you are labouring under a misapprehension is hardly an ad hominem. Rather your call I would have said. I think you should do whatever you think is right but it's your decision not mine.
How about you list all the misapprehensions I am labouring under and I'll take it from there.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 17, 2016, 07:16:35 PM
So why enter illegally? what are they up to? America has every right to remove people they don't want and some do have associaitons with terrorist groups. IRA and there was a relationship with IRA,and Libya during a difficult time.
I'm not sure how many South Americans were associated with the IRA - that was mainly Irish Americans I think you'll find. Not that many illegal Irish in the States now as far as I know. But to answer "what are they up to?" Well funnily enough it might surprise you but many of them are there to work in the low paid jobs that no one else wants to do, a bit like in this country.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2016, 10:02:27 AM
The perfect response to all those Trump fans who say to his critics that we should pipe down, get over it and accept the result, from Eugene Robinson Washington Post:
"The people chose Hillary Clinton. But it’s the electoral vote that counts, not the popular vote, so Donald Trump will be president. And no, I’m not over it.
No one should be over it. No one should pretend that Trump will be a normal president. No one should forget the bigotry and racism of his campaign, the naked appeals to white grievance, the stigmatizing of Mexicans and Muslims. No one should forget the jaw-dropping ignorance he showed about government policy both foreign and domestic. No one should forget the vile misogyny. No one should forget the mendacity, the vulgarity, the ugliness, the insanity. None of this should ever be normalized in our politics.
The big protests that have followed Trump’s election should be no surprise. You can’t spend all those months trashing our nation’s values and then expect everyone to join you in a group hug. Trump made the bed in which he now must lie.
If a normal Republican had been elected, I could say the polite and socially acceptable thing, something like “I didn’t support So-and-So, but he will be my president, too, and I wish him success.” But I cannot wish Trump success in rounding up and deporting millions of people or banning Muslims from entering the country or reinstituting torture as an instrument of U.S. policy. In these and other divisive, cruel, unwise initiatives, I wish him failure.
I do hope he succeeds in avoiding some kind of amateurish foreign policy blunder that puts American lives or vital national interests at risk. And let me be clear that I am not questioning his legitimacy as president. When the results are certified and the electoral college casts its votes, Trump will be the nation’s duly chosen leader, ridiculous though that may be.
But he has not earned our trust or hope. Rather, he has earned the demonstrations that have erupted in cities across the country. He has earned relentless scrutiny by journalists, whom he shamelessly made into scapegoats during the campaign, and he has earned the constant vigilance of the public he now must serve.
We must watch Trump, and judge him, every single inch of the way."
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2016, 10:23:43 AM
alien riff raff is what I would describe ISIS.ISIL et el, supported and financed by Saudis. Or anyone in general who feel that mutilating childrens genitals without anesthetic, many die from bleeding, forcing children age 6 up wards to marry and have sex with 50/60 yearold husbands, organised crime lords who bring misery in all shape and forms,drugs,sex slaves, workslaves etc... or should we only bang on and on about the black slaves from back in the day 1700's and turn a blind eye to what is going on now? But I do appreciate those types are humans too and should have the freedom of movement to enjoy these beliefs and enterprises...Does this make me a rascist well yes it probably does in some peoples eyes, But I couldn't care less. Kill or be killed.
The negro culture as do many others look upon slavery as an integral part of their heritage. The more civilised whites had the sense to take advantage of those beliefs, the white man didn't invent slavery, he merely exploited it to his own financial ends. Slavery is still practised in Africa and in many other countries, in fact wasn't there a case of slavery in the London courts not so long ago involving foreigners?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
So why enter illegally? what are they up to? America has every right to remove people they don't want and some do have associaitons with terrorist groups. IRA and there was a relationship with IRA,and Libya during a difficult time.
Many IRA murderers are still using the USA as a sanctuary from justice, helped by Irish republican sympathisers and anti British elements within American society. Will Trump root out these criminals and send them back to Ireland to face their just desserts?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
Many IRA murderers are still using the USA as a sanctuary from justice, helped by Irish republican sympathisers and anti British elements within American society. Will Trump root out these criminals and send them back to Ireland to face their just desserts?
Only when pigs sprout wings and fly, which considering all the crazy things that have happened this year wouldn't actually surprise me now.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
There are thousands of Irish citizens in the US illegally as they have overstayed their visa.
So, these Irish are top of Trump's "Deportation To Do" list are they?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 11:18:18 AM
"Mr Trump’s victory appears to have taken military planners by surprise, prompting Moscow and Damascus to postpone a long-planned assault on the city while they assess the implications.
Russia and Syria were widely expected to launch an offensive against the rebel stronghold after the US election on November 8, taking advantage of the lame duck period between the departure of the Obama administration and the inauguration of his successor.
Fares Shehabi, an MP for Aleppo, told the Telegraph that it would be “preferable” to wait for president-elect Donald Trump to take office in January before beginning any ground offensive, in the hope of negotiating a political solution with a more sympathetic administration".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 18, 2016, 01:24:08 PM
Trump empowers jewish son in law Jared Kushner...
Mr. Kushner, 35, the husband of Mr Trump’s eldest daughter, Ivanka, and an influential adviser to his father-in-law during the presidential campaign, had been planning to return to his private businesses after Election Day. But on the morning after Mr. Trump won, Mr. Kushner began discussing taking a role in the White House, according to two people briefed on the conversations who requested anonymity to describe Mr. Kushner’s thinking.
Mr. Kushner has already figured prominently in the tumultuous start to the transition. He was involved in the effort to oust Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who as a federal prosecutor jailed Mr. Kushner’s father, Charles B. Kushner (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kushner), more than a decade ago. Trump officials have systematically fired those Mr. Christie had selected for the effort. Transition officials have rejected claims that Mr. Kushner was involved in a payback effort and pointed to Mr. Christie’s troubles after two aides were convicted in the George Washington Bridge traffic scandal in New Jersey. They also suggested that the preliminary transition work had been subpar.
Mr. Trump’s desire to add Mr. Kushner to his administration gives weight to speculation that he intends to run the White House the way he runs his businesses, relying heavily on his children and delegating essential duties to them.
Mr. Kushner, 35, the husband of Mr Trump’s eldest daughter, Ivanka, and an influential adviser to his father-in-law during the presidential campaign, had been planning to return to his private businesses after Election Day. But on the morning after Mr. Trump won, Mr. Kushner began discussing taking a role in the White House, according to two people briefed on the conversations who requested anonymity to describe Mr. Kushner’s thinking.
Mr. Kushner has already figured prominently in the tumultuous start to the transition. He was involved in the effort to oust Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, who as a federal prosecutor jailed Mr. Kushner’s father, Charles B. Kushner, more than a decade ago. Trump officials have systematically fired those Mr. Christie had selected for the effort. Transition officials have rejected claims that Mr. Kushner was involved in a payback effort and pointed to Mr. Christie’s troubles after two aides were convicted in the George Washington Bridge traffic scandal in New Jersey. They also suggested that the preliminary transition work had been subpar.
Mr. Trump’s desire to add Mr. Kushner to his administration gives weight to speculation that he intends to run the White House the way he runs his businesses, relying heavily on his children and delegating essential duties to them.
So yet another sclumbag to add to the list of appointees.
I have had a look at his record.
Mmm.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 01:29:50 PM
So, in reality, could Trump organize a pi## up in a brewery ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 18, 2016, 01:32:33 PM
Ivanka Trump's father in law Charles Kushner (born May 16, 1954) is an American real estate developer, convicted felon, and philanthropist who founded Kushner Companies in 1985. He is the father of Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of and close adviser to President-elect Donald Trump. He has been fined over half a million dollars for violating federal campaign contribution laws, pleaded guilty to/was convicted of 18 felony counts for various crimes, served time in federal prison, and was disbarred from the practice of law in three states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kushner
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 01:45:50 PM
So who elected the son-in-law in the great American Democracy.
%&5%£ %&5%£ £4%4£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 03:15:13 PM
Here's a bone to be chewed http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html?_r=0
The first not to comment on the 1980s racists comments gets a cocunut @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
So it does look like a bag of them in the coming American government.
%&5%£ %&5%£ %&5%£
Have few more bones: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html?_r=0 I see Sarah is on the list for Secretary of The Interior. You have to admit Sessions has class. He now chairs the commitee that black balled him in the 1980s; how much of a result was that and not down to Mr DJT either.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 05:22:22 PM
Points from the last few days: "Trump's education policy will not work". Jeez man that is sad and has to be the death knell for The States. The previous ones, which was implemented by them wot knows a lot more than Mr Trump, have the USA lying 14th in the list of education among "leading" countries. "Andrew Rawnsley reckons it is a disaster to have serial bankrupt in charge of the US economy". The US is already in hock to the tune of $20 trillion. $7 trillion of which was added by the last administration. Could Mr Trump really do worse?. "Donald Trump will slap a 45% trade tariff of China". No he will not because he does not have that power.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 05:22:38 PM
Have few more bones: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html?_r=0 I see Sarah is on the list for Secretary of The Interior. You have to admit Sessions has class. He now chairs the commitee that black balled him in the 1980s; how much of a result was that and not down to Mr DJT either.
So even more people who could not organize a piss up in a brewery, and far to the right of Genghis Khan.
Mind you, the Russians are in favour. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 05:24:17 PM
Points from the last few days: "Trump's education policy will not work". Jeez man that is sad and has to be the death knell for The States. The previous ones, which was implemented by them wot knows a lot more than Mr Trump, have the USA lying 14th in the list of education among "leading" countries. "Andrew Rawnsley reckons it is a disaster to have serial bankrupt in charge of the US economy". The US is already in hock to the tune of $20 trillion. $7 trillion of which was added by the last administration. Could Mr Trump really do worse?. "Donald Trump will slap a 45% trade tariff of China". No he will not because he does not have that power.
Yes, he can do much worse and then he will blame everyone else.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 05:26:14 PM
Radio 4 News has just reported the appointment of three ultra right wing Conservative appointments by Trump.
So utterly predictable.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 05:48:08 PM
Yes, he can do much worse and then he will blame everyone else.
I don't doubt he has the ability to do worse should he choose to but the question is will he do worse?. Crystal balls at the ready....................go
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2016, 05:49:23 PM
It will be interesting to learn how a man who plans to cut everyone's taxes whilst simultaneously putting a spanner in the works of international trade, and spending billions on repatriating illegals and building a wall will reverse the country's massive debt. I'm sure it'll all be accomplished on his first day in office, giving him ample time to pursue other interests over the next four years.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 05:53:12 PM
So even more people who could not organize a piss up in a brewery, and far to the right of Genghis Khan.
Mind you, the Russians are in favour. 8**8:/:
The Mongol Empire lasted two centuries at best. Now them there Ottomans was a bit successful and a bit less than tolerant but paradoxically very just and their empire lasted 6+ centuries. Like longer than anyone elses empire. Discuss...........................
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 05:59:08 PM
The Mongol Empire lasted two centuries at best. Now them there Ottomans was a bit successful and a bit less than tolerant but paradoxically very just and their empire lasted 6+ centuries. Like longer than anyone elses empire. Discuss...........................
Feel free to discuss with yourself,and provide more quotes which I probably won't be reading. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 18, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
One things for certain and that is that the next four years will see changes in the USA.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 06:03:58 PM
One things for certain and that is that the next four years will see changes in the USA.
That is for sure. If you look at the published "picking list" you can make a good stab at his approach. But I feel there is an element of Colonel John T. Hall among us!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 06:36:03 PM
Yes, he can do much worse and then he will blame everyone else.
1.The target is > $32 trillion to be the "worst". or >$27 trillion to be in the top three "worst". 2. We have heard that in another context haven't we Billy?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 06:50:59 PM
Once upon a time in Wonderland. %£5&% %£5&%
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2016, 07:21:06 PM
It will be interesting to learn how a man who plans to cut everyone's taxes whilst simultaneously putting a spanner in the works of international trade, and spending billions on repatriating illegals and building a wall will reverse the country's massive debt. I'm sure it'll all be accomplished on his first day in office, giving him ample time to pursue other interests over the next four years.
If they reined in on NATO spending forcing others to make a more equitable contribution then sliced a hefty chunk off their contribution to the UN climate change thingy, as he is suggesting, then he would have ca $2 trillion to play with over his tenure of office.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2016, 08:21:10 PM
If they reined in on NATO spending forcing others to make a more equitable contribution then sliced a hefty chunk off their contribution to the UN climate change thingy, as he is suggesting, then he would have ca $2 trillion to play with over his tenure of office.
Great.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
Just heard on the radio that Trump wants to imprison vegans.
Apparently he hates them. 8(*( 8(*( *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 18, 2016, 10:31:17 PM
@)(++(*. I heard he's just had to shell out £25m to his victims of fraud, so he doesn't have to appear in court. &%+((£
We overlapped on that Alfie, but he didn't commit fraud did he... %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Yes, he's Forrest Trump. *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 19, 2016, 11:30:04 AM
Trump's victory in the US presidential election has certainly served as a windfall for those people who had outstanding cases against his organisation. Apparently one of the claims was that students at Trumps defunct university were told that students would be taught about The Donald winning formulae. Perish the thought!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 19, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
Trump's victory in the US presidential election has certainly served as a windfall for those people who had outstanding cases against his organisation. Apparently one of the claims was that students at Trumps defunct university were told that students would be taught about The Donald winning formulae. Perish the thought!
As in real estate deals.
Also the name University was dropped as he had no authorisation to use that name from any regulatory body.
So is a plain old fashioned con from start to finish.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 19, 2016, 07:29:12 PM
A Random Rather Than Eclectic Sample From Donald John Trump's Dodgy Dossier:
“End illegal immigration, suspend immigration from terror problem regions and deport all criminal aliens"
“Use Federal Funds to encourage states to make school choice available to all poor students, including through publicly operated charter schools and vouchers that allow families to take public funding to private schools”.
“Move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to the contested city of Jerusalem, breaking with a half-century of U.S. policy that says the future of Jerusalem must be decided in talks between Israel and the Palestinians”.
“Support the continued existence of Israeli settlements built on land claimed as well by Palestinians, a reversal of bipartisan U.S. policy that considers the settlements illegal”.
“Renegotiate” the agreement, which limits Iran’s nuclear program to peaceful activities in return for lifting crippling sanctions”.
“Renegotiate the emissions of gases deal. The Paris Agreement includes a section that makes it difficult for countries to withdraw once the pact takes force. That status was reached Nov. 4 — unusually fast by international standards, in part because of fears of a Trump presidency. A formal withdrawal by the U.S. could not happen before 2020, at the end of Trump’s four-year term. Under current rules, a country can stay in the Paris Agreement but simply ignore its obligations, a path Trump could take”.
“Reconsider the NATO alliance if other member countries don't pay their share of common defence expenditures, 2% of gross domestic product. Only five countries— the United States, Greece, the United Kingdom, Estonia and Poland — meet that benchmark”
“Improve ties with Putin after a frosty relationship with the Obama administration, which imposed sanctions on Russia in 2014 for annexing Ukraine's Crimea province and aiding pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine”.
“He hinted that he might cooperate with Assad and Russia to defeat the Islamic State in Syria by withdrawing support for Syrian rebels battling Assad and working with Russia to fight the Islamic State”.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 19, 2016, 08:06:10 PM
' Donald Trump has insulted numerous individuals, groups, ethnicities, religions and others during the past year of his presidential campaign. Below is a round-up of some of Trump’s most direct insults. '
Let's add vegans to the list as well. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 20, 2016, 03:21:09 AM
It looks like The Donald is going to use his vast wealth to pay everyone off now instead of risk any damaging court battles which might sour or even scuttle his presidency.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 20, 2016, 08:14:12 AM
It looks like The Donald is going to use his vast wealth to pay everyone off now instead of risk any damaging court battles which might sour or even scuttle his presidency.
The Trump is the one responsible for that. The more he has to pay out the better, but I would expect several more parties to take him to court.
Now, wouldn't that be a sight, a President in the dock. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 20, 2016, 05:02:36 PM
Donald John Trump misogynist of the parish had a ????? as his campaign manager?
Appointed with the primary purpose of turning around Trump's appeal (or lack of it) with female voters.
That was a smooth move then; it worked the rust belt women among others voted for him. He's now President Elect. It would be hard to fault the strategy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 20, 2016, 07:33:59 PM
That was a smooth move then; it worked the rust belt women among others voted for him. He's now President Elect. It would be hard to fault the strategy.
If you have watched Blazing Saddles, there is a scene where the new Sheriff, Bart goes to talk to the towns people and receives abuse.
The Waco Kid's words to him after that would tend to be descriptive of the majority who voted for Trump. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 20, 2016, 07:38:51 PM
That was a smooth move then; it worked the rust belt women among others voted for him. He's now President Elect. It would be hard to fault the strategy.
I wasn't aware anyone has criticised him for hiring a woman to improve his chances with 50% of the electorate.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 20, 2016, 08:56:40 PM
I wasn't aware anyone has criticised him for hiring a woman to improve his chances with 50% of the electorate.
We are faced with the paradox of the man portrayed by some as a card carrying misogynist appointing a woman as his campaign leader. Maybe he appointed her because said lady is kin good at what she does and pretty bleedin' bright to boot.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 20, 2016, 09:11:51 PM
We are faced with the paradox of the man portrayed by some as a card carrying misogynist appointing a woman as his campaign leader. Maybe he appointed her because said lady is kin good at what she does and pretty bleedin' bright to boot.
Maybe, and maybe he appointed her because he needed a woman's touch to get more women on side. That doesn't exclude him from accusations of misogyny, nor wipe out all the misgynistic things he has said and done over many years. Why not just accept that he is a misogynist? Nothing wrong with it is there? 8(0(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 20, 2016, 09:32:29 PM
It would seem according to Alice-logic that all the above sexist shite can be forgiven or ignored because he hired a woman to win him the women's vote... *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 21, 2016, 01:08:09 AM
Appointed with the primary purpose of turning around Trump's appeal (or lack of it) with female voters.
Yes, she became campaign manager for Republican Donald Trump's presidential campaign, alongside its CEO Steve Bannon on August 17, 2016. A calculated move indeed.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 12:40:08 PM
It would seem according to Alice-logic that all the above sexist shite can be forgiven or ignored because he hired a woman to win him the women's vote... *&*%£
Did I say that? or is it just another case of you saying someone said something they didn't ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 21, 2016, 04:03:55 PM
Remind me of what your post has to do with mine, as I was commenting on those who voted for Trump.
They by the way are reminiscent of Turkeys voting for Christmas. 8)--))
Probably nothing but I am confused by the attitude of some that because they don't like Trump, for whatever perceived reason, and they consider themselves well educated that any one who voted for Trump must be a f**kwit. If he was voted in by the American system then the f**kwit postulation cannot be sustained as it would defy normal distribution.
I am not that keen on some of his antics myself but strip away the Carny stuff and he has some sound ideas.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
Did I say that? or is it just another case of you saying someone said something they didn't ?
Well do tell us what point you were attempting to make when you wrote:
"Donald John Trump misogynist of the parish had a ????? as his campaign manager?"
and
"We are faced with the paradox of the man portrayed by some as a card carrying misogynist appointing a woman as his campaign leader. Maybe he appointed her because said lady is kin good at what she does and pretty bleedin' bright to boot".
Is the man Trump a misogynist or not in your view?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
Probably nothing but I am confused by the attitude of some that because they don't like Trump, for whatever perceived reason, and they consider themselves well educated that any one who voted for Trump must be a f**kwit. If he was voted in by the American system then the f**kwit postulation cannot be sustained as it would defy normal distribution.
I am not that keen on some of his antics myself but strip away the Carny stuff and he has some sound ideas.
Trump is an anomaly.
You can also obtain skewed 'distributions'.
He, presumably with advice, and his own notions added, appealed to the lowest common denominator in his speeches and targeted groups he knew were vulnerable to the rhetoric, and we have seen that before in history. It's always easier to blame someone else for your woes. The fact that Trump pretended he was interested in the welfare of less well off, was a key ploy and it played to a naive/stupid and gullible audience.
It is also an echo of what happened in Brexit, where the main theme was the perceived threat by immigrants and Trump used that too.
Both Trump and the Brexiteers, played against the rules. it is a shame that first Clinton was chosen, and second both the Democrats and The 'Remainers' should have adopted the same tactics as their opponents. Dirty I know, but sometimes there are no alternatives.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
It would seem according to Alice-logic that all the above sexist shite can be forgiven or ignored because he hired a woman to win him the women's vote... *&*%£
The sexist shite is emanating from you Alfie, by suggesting the only reason she was appointed was on her gender and not on ability. Now who is the misogynist sexist prat? Also to suggest she was appointed to get the women vote is invalid and has no evidence what so ever. Women voted for Trump- get over it. Black Americans also described as ' the lowest common denominator' also voted for Trump as did many celebrities who had no need to get their faces in the media.Middle classes, very wealthy also voted for Trump. Your and Stephens argument just doesn't wash and comes across as racist, sexist,with undertones of self righteous,out of touch liberal ranting.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 05:33:02 PM
The sexist shite is emanating from you Alfie, by suggesting the only reason she was appointed was on her gender and not on ability. Now who is the misogynist sexist prat? Also to suggest she was appointed to get the women vote is invalid and has no evidence what so ever. Women voted for Trump- get over it. Black Americans also described as ' the lowest common denominator' also voted for Trump as did many celebrities who had no need to get their faces in the media.Middle classes, very wealthy also voted for Trump. Your and Stephens argument just doesn't wash and comes across as racist, sexist,with undertones of self righteous,out of touch liberal ranting.
OMG. @)(++(* I've heard it all now. Priceless.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
The sexist shite is emanating from you Alfie, by suggesting the only reason she was appointed was on her gender and not on ability. Now who is the misogynist sexist prat? Also to suggest she was appointed to get the women vote is invalid and has no evidence what so ever. Women voted for Trump- get over it. Black Americans also described as ' the lowest common denominator' also voted for Trump as did many celebrities who had no need to get their faces in the media.Middle classes, very wealthy also voted for Trump. Your and Stephens argument just doesn't wash and comes across as racist, sexist,with undertones of self righteous,out of touch liberal ranting.
"Conway has run her polling firm, The Polling Company/WomanTrend, for more than two decades, advising corporate clients and top Republican officeholders like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who Trump tapped as his running mate. Much of her work has focused on how to reach out to women, and she is the co-author of a 2005 book, What Women Really Want, with Democratic pollster Celinda Lake."
The sexist shite is emanating from you Alfie, by suggesting the only reason she was appointed was on her gender and not on ability. Now who is the misogynist sexist prat? Also to suggest she was appointed to get the women vote is invalid and has no evidence what so ever. Women voted for Trump- get over it. Black Americans also described as ' the lowest common denominator' also voted for Trump as did many celebrities who had no need to get their faces in the media.Middle classes, very wealthy also voted for Trump. Your and Stephens argument just doesn't wash and comes across as racist, sexist,with undertones of self righteous,out of touch liberal ranting.
Unbelievable.
How can you not see Trump for what he is and represents.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 05:52:55 PM
He, presumably with advice, and his own notions added, appealed to the lowest common denominator in his speeches and targeted groups he knew were vulnerable to the rhetoric, and we have seen that before in history. It's always easier to blame someone else for your woes. The fact that Trump pretended he was interested in the welfare of less well off, was a key ploy and it played to a naive/stupid and gullible audience.
It is also an echo of what happened in Brexit, where the main theme was the perceived threat by immigrants and Trump used that too.
Both Trump and the Brexiteers, played against the rules. it is a shame that first Clinton was chosen, and second both the Democrats and The 'Remainers' should have adopted the same tactics as their opponents. Dirty I know, but sometimes there are no alternatives.
'where the main theme was the perceived threat by immigrants'
This is a lie Stephen and also scare mongering in its worst possible form. The people who voted Brexit did so on the affects the EU was having on their daily lives, obviousy a very different daily life from you and remainers. What makes you feel you are the person to decide who comes and goes into our Hospitals, schools, communities, and how dare you insult those who live here in fear of their lives, those who fled tyranny only to meet up with it over here? And how dare you suggest that geldolf and crew know better how to run a country and should have a bigger say that the rest of us what we want just because they are not on a housing list for 9 years , or over crowded flats, schools, bursting at the seems hospitals. The infrastructure and security measures should be in place, so instead of demanding WE accept any body and every body why don't you and your remainers go and have a love in with those whom you feel are being discrimnated against, give up half, your salary, open your own doors. Lead by example per say...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 06:09:01 PM
'where the main theme was the perceived threat by immigrants'
This is a lie Stephen and also scare mongering in its worst possible form. The people who voted Brexit did so on the affects the EU was having on their daily lives, obviousy a very different daily life from you and remainers. What makes you feel you are the person to decide who comes and goes into our Hospitals, schools, communities, and how dare you insult those who live here in fear of their lives, those who fled tyranny only to meet up with it over here? And how dare you suggest that geldolf and crew know better how to run a country and should have a bigger say that the rest of us what we want just because they are not on a housing list for 9 years , or over crowded flats, schools, bursting at the seems hospitals. The infrastructure and security measures should be in place, so instead of demanding WE accept any body and every body why don't you and your remainers go and have a love in with those whom you feel are being discrimnated against, give up half, your salary, open your own doors. Lead by example per say...
The fact is , often the brexit votes were higher in areas with a low number of immigrants.
Second, whether from EU or Non-EU countries, the migrants are net contributors to the Treasury.
Did I mention Geldorf ?
No.
What I see in your reply is a rant, and no more.
It is the same rampant illogic I have seen in many brexit supporters.
You say what right do I have to say how the country should be run. Well clearly as much as you.
I meet and work with people from Europe and further afield, and quite frankly, some are a lot more civilized than some people I have debates with over here, on Brexit and Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2016, 06:21:43 PM
What is it that we don't understand about Brexit Won and Trump Won?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
"Conway has run her polling firm, The Polling Company/WomanTrend, for more than two decades, advising corporate clients and top Republican officeholders like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who Trump tapped as his running mate. Much of her work has focused on how to reach out to women, and she is the co-author of a 2005 book, What Women Really Want, with Democratic pollster Celinda Lake."
Would an apology for the insulting rant really be too much to hope for Miss Taken (appropriate name btw)?
Oh she runs a polling thingy how wrong did they get things? oh don't tell me. They do guessing hahaha.
The thing is you seem to think she was targetted for her gender. it really doesn't matter how many books she writes, how about some stats to back up your claim that she was brought because she was a woman to get women votes. Numbers darling , numbers. So how many women have voted for Trump as a direct result of KellyAnn being the campaign manager? thousands? millions? Yawn... well of course you can't give numbers unless you ask every voting female in America. AND providing they answer truthfully. So, sadly, no apology forthcoming Alfie aw.
My non de plume is Miss Taken IDENTITY... some one trying to convince me I was someone else, oh the very thought of it.
Don't you hate it when you tell people they are on ignore and then start ranting at them again... hahaha
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 06:26:17 PM
What is it that we don't understand about Brexit Won and Trump Won?
We understand it. Doesn't mean we have to now agree with it, or like it. BTW - I've been called a racist, sexist misogynist by MissTaken - I don't think those are fair accusations, I am not Donald Trump FGS!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
We understand it. Doesn't mean we have to now agree with it, or like it. BTW - I've been called a racist, sexist misogynist by MissTaken - I don't think those are fair accusations, I am not Donald Trump FGS!!
I agree that you are not a racist, sexist misogynist.
However, I am looking at the whole thing from a different angle to most of you.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
The fact is , often the brexit votes were higher in areas with a low number of immigrants.
Second, whether from EU or Non-EU countries, the migrants are net contributors to the Treasury.
Did I mention Geldorf ?
No.
What I see in your reply is a rant, and no more.
It is the same rampant illogic I have seen in many brexit supporters.
You say what right do I have to say how the country should be run. Well clearly as much as you.
I meet and work with people from Europe and further afield, and quite frankly, some are a lot more civilized than some people I have debates with over here, on Brexit and Trump.
Stephen stop trying that old word play. Immigrants who come here having already sought employment which does not include tax credits for part time work, can speak English well enough to intigrate, are not an issue so stop confusing it.
It is the illegal immigrants and so called refugees, the criminals, the war lords and Mafia types from all over the EU and beyond who are a burden and fine well you know it, or you should be able to see it. and open door policy breeds contempt for hosts, enacts slavery of different sorts, and leads to war lords controlling areas which In my view is wholly unacceptable, it is not freedom- which are being eroded daily due to one culture issues or another. PS they are not all hard working, part time chip shop worker claiming child benefit and tax credits is hardly a post that coudn't be filled by someone from the local community.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 06:49:15 PM
Stephen stop trying that old word play. Immigrants who come here having already sought employment which does not include tax credits for part time work, can speak English well enough to intigrate, are not an issue so stop confusing it.
It is the illegal immigrants and so called refugees, the criminals, the war lords and Mafia types from all over the EU and beyond who are a burden and fine well you know it, or you should be able to see it. and open door policy breeds contempt for hosts, enacts slavery of different sorts, and leads to war lords controlling areas which In my view is wholly unacceptable, it is not freedom- which are being eroded daily due to one culture issues or another. PS they are not all hard working, part time chip shop worker claiming child benefit and tax credits is hardly a post that coudn't be filled by someone from the local community.
Let's have some facts and figures then.
Then what of the home grown criminals, crime lords, spongers off the state etc. ???
If you actually took the time and ask businesses in this country as to what they want, it's people with skills, and that is why they recruit from abroad, because they can't get them here. Also, too many of the home grown businesses such as plumbers, electricians , etc., have been over charging consumers for years. Then when people come in from Europe who work for less, work harder and don't try to con customers, out comes the brexit whinging.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 06:50:10 PM
Oh she runs a polling thingy how wrong did they get things? oh don't tell me. They do guessing hahaha.
The thing is you seem to think she was targetted for her gender. it really doesn't matter how many books she writes, how about some stats to back up your claim that she was brought because she was a woman to get women votes. Numbers darling , numbers. So how many women have voted for Trump as a direct result of KellyAnn being the campaign manager? thousands? millions? Yawn... well of course you can't give numbers unless you ask every voting female in America. AND providing they answer truthfully. So, sadly, no apology forthcoming Alfie aw.
My non de plume is Miss Taken IDENTITY... some one trying to convince me I was someone else, oh the very thought of it.
Don't you hate it when you tell people they are on ignore and then start ranting at them again... hahaha
It is a known fact that PRIOR to the election, Donald Trump's poll rating with women was poor, and that is why KellyAnne Conway was brought in largely to try and turn that around. It is not sexist, misogynist or racist to say so. Conway is obviously very good at her job and it was an astute move on Trump's part to get her into his team to address his perceived lack of reach out to women voters.
"Lake, her Democratic co-author, says Conway is “a real expert on women voters” who knows how to target key groups who will be receptive to his message. “In our book, we identified religious women, senior survivors, suburban caretakers, and waitress moms, among others, that I would think would be targets for Trump,” Lake told TIME. “She could be a great help to Trump if he listens to her. She has an 11-year-old, so she can use some of the techniques she uses with her.”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 07:05:15 PM
Then what of the home grown criminals, crime lords, spongers off the state etc. ???
If you actually took the time and ask businesses in this country as to what they want, it's people with skills, and that is why they recruit from abroad, because they can't get them here. Al;so, too many of the home grown businesses such as plumbers, electricians , etc., have been over charging consumers for years. Then when people come in from Europe who work for less, work harder and don't try to con customers, out comes the brexit whinging.
The home grown crims and spongers are easy to know and find. we don't need to add to them do we?
Facts and figures... well Stephen there in lies the whole big picture. WE DON'T KNOW who is in this country and what they are up to. IF we had some kind of control- not much to ask- then I could probably tell you. but open door means well too many to count as many don't come in legally anyway.
Stephen you obviously do not know my kind of work or my knowledge on these matters, I can assure you we have a brain drain here,many NHS staff have moved abroad. Do you know how we check if a consultant from Pakistan is really a consultant? or GP, mmmm
And what I can tell you is this in a very small village with 5 outlets for shops there are 3 Chinese take aways and two Indian kebab shops, no pubs at all, no clubs either, they have a lot of different staff.many don't speak English. This village really really needs a post office.... A rise in crime has been recorded- no arrests.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
It is a known fact that PRIOR to the election, Donald Trump's poll rating with women was poor, and that is why KellyAnne Conway was brought in largely to try and turn that around. It is not sexist, misogynist or racist to say so, so please grow up. Conway is obviously very good at her job and it was an astute move on Trump's part to get her into his team to address his perceived lack of reach out to women voters.
"Lake, her Democratic co-author, says Conway is “a real expert on women voters” who knows how to target key groups who will be receptive to his message. “In our book, we identified religious women, senior survivors, suburban caretakers, and waitress moms, among others, that I would think would be targets for Trump,” Lake told TIME. “She could be a great help to Trump if he listens to her. She has an 11-year-old, so she can use some of the techniques she uses with her.”
It is NOT a known fact at all. to have that FACT would require actual knowledge of how women were voting, which they didn't have.They still don't have. This is part of the polling selling pitch. hahaha. Sir we estimate that some women won't vote for you, here is our expert.... some time later oh look women voted for Trump it must be down to KellyAnn... A lot of men also have this type job. You insinuated that she got the job because she was a woman. To make him look like a non mysogynist.
and there is no such person as an expert who never gets things wrong.
And for the record I never supported Trump or Clinton... I said Trump was the best of both 'evils' lol
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 07:14:41 PM
The home grown crims and spongers are easy to know and find. we don't need to add to them do we?
Facts and figures... well Stephen there in lies the whole big picture. WE DON'T KNOW who is in this country and what they are up to. IF we had some kind of control- not much to ask- then I could probably tell you. but open door means well too many to count as many don't come in legally anyway.
Stephen you obviously do not know my kind of work or my knowledge on these matters, I can assure you we have a brain drain here,many NHS staff have moved abroad. Do you know how we check if a consultant from Pakistan is really a consultant? or GP, mmmm
And what I can tell you is this in a very small village with 5 outlets for shops there are 3 Chinese take aways and two Indian kebab shops, no pubs at all, no clubs either, they have a lot of different staff.many don't speak English. This village really really needs a post office.... A rise in crime has been recorded- no arrests.
There insufficient staff to fulfill the NHS needs.
That has been the case for a long time, and it is undeniable that people go abroad, such as Nurses and Doctors, because of better pay and conditions.
Consultant from Pakistan ?
Where does that fit into Brexit exactly ?
As to pubs, people can buy alcohol cheaper from supermarkets, so what is your beef about takeaways then ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 21, 2016, 07:15:01 PM
Well do tell us what point you were attempting to make when you wrote:
"Donald John Trump misogynist of the parish had a ????? as his campaign manager?"
and
"We are faced with the paradox of the man portrayed by some as a card carrying misogynist appointing a woman as his campaign leader. Maybe he appointed her because said lady is kin good at what she does and pretty bleedin' bright to boot".
Is the man Trump a misogynist or not in your view? Or don't you give the matter much care or thought as long as you can continue to make provocative posts without having the Eds to state what you actually think and believe about anything?
Misogynist: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. Were he a true misogynist he would not have countenanced Ms Conway's appointment. Therefore I think he is not a card carrying misogynist. It was bleedin' obvious what I was driving at so why play the dumbass unless it was just to start a flame war?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Misogynist: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. Were he a true misogynist he would not have countenanced Ms Conway's appointment. Therefore I think he is not a card carrying misogynist. It was bleedin' obvious what I was driving at so why play the dumbass unless it was just to start a flame war?
Tell me Alice, why are you defending someone who made sexual references about a 10 year old girl, whom he said he could be dating 10 years hence ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 21, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
What is it that we don't understand about Brexit Won and Trump Won?
It ranks with "did Geoff Hurst's ball cross the line". No matter how clever we get with lasers and slomo modern reruns that ball crossed the line cos the ref said it did and that in the context of the time was all that mattered. So in the context of the time and according to the rules of engagement Brexit Won and Trump Won, as you say.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 07:30:02 PM
Someone better tell Wikipedia that Trump ain't a misogynist (see also)... @)(++(*
Tell me Alice, why are you defending someone who made sexual references about a 10 year old girl, whom he said he could be dating 10 years hence ?
Please show where I have defended that particular circumstance. Please also explain which part of my comment "I am not too keen on some his antics myself" you fail to undestand.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 21, 2016, 07:35:13 PM
Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification.[1][2]
Of course NONE of this applies to St Donald of Trump Tower.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 07:37:15 PM
There insufficient staff to fulfill the NHS needs.
That has been the case for a long time, and it is undeniable that people go abroad, such as Nurses and Doctors, because of better pay and conditions.
Consultant from Pakistan ?
Where does that fit into Brexit exactly ?
As to pubs, people can buy alcohol cheaper from supermarkets, so what is your beef about takeaways then ?
Consultant from Pakistan brings over all his family 20 or so... strict islamic and cultural policy at play for some.
so in a small village who needs 5 take aways with lots of different staff, who don't speak English? remind me again about the plumbers and Electricians becuase most shops are now take aways in rural areas where very little or no customers can be seen to use these outlets. Not all immigrants are Good wholesome plumbers or electricians.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 07:42:22 PM
Consultant from Pakistan brings over all his family 20 or so... strict islamic and cultural policy at play for some.
so in a small village who needs 5 take aways with lots of different staff, who don't speak English? remind me again about the plumbers and Electricians becuase most shops are now take aways in rural areas where very little or no customers can be seen to use these outlets. Not all immigrants are Good wholesome plumbers or electricians.
How many Muslims do you actually know ?
How do you know how strictly they follow Islam at home ?
Some I've met are strict, others aren't.
If the shops you are referring to aren't financially viable, they will close, just like pubs.
Did I say all'good' immigrants are plumbers or electricians ?
I merely gave examples.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 07:56:35 PM
How do you know how strictly they follow Islam at home ?
Some I've met are strict, others aren't.
If the shops you are referring to aren't financially viable, they will close, just like pubs.
Did I say all'good' immigrants are plumbers or electricians ?
I merely gave examples.
You know for someone who asks Alice about Trump saying a 10 year old could be his date in 10 years is strange, because you and Alfie are both in denial about what is really happening to British Born women in this country. You with many thousands of other are in denial about the scale of abuse by men on women and children. You sacrifice them to show you are a libral and love everyone and ignore theor sufffering, says a lot about you and remainers. I find it rather funny you are insinuating I havesomething against muslims on a personal level. I use my voice on many muslim women and childrens behalf. But lets berate trump for being an idiot. At least he hasn#t murdered anyone, raped anyone, sought to encourage FGM and emotional, finacial, and physical abuse to women under the control of their MUSLIM husbands. You know those plumbers and electricians you speak so highly of.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
You know for someone who asks Alice about Trump saying a 10 year old could be his date in 10 years is strange, because you and Alfie are both in denial about what is really happening to British Born women in this country. You with many thousands of other are in denial about the scale of abuse by men on women and children. You sacrifice them to show you are a libral and love everyone and ignore theor sufffering, says a lot about you and remainers. I find it rather funny you are insinuating I havesomething against muslims on a personal level. I use my voice on many muslim women and childrens behalf. But lets berate trump for being an idiot. At least he hasn#t murdered anyone, raped anyone, sought to encourage FGM and emotional, finacial, and physical abuse to women under the control of their MUSLIM husbands. You know those plumbers and electricians you speak so highly of.
You really are talking utter cobblers.
Where am I excusing abuse to women ?
Perhaps you would like to educate us with your wisdom and state how you would stamp it out, and second why are you defending Trump.
By the way not all Muslim women are abused ?
You need to get out and meet people and not make assumptions.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 08:17:17 PM
Perhaps you would like to educate us with your wisdom and state how you would stamp it out, and second why are you defending Trump.
By the way not all Muslim women are abused ?
You need to get out and meet people and not make assumptions.
This is the trouble Stephen I am face to face with the uglier side to 'open door' policy- no plunbers or electricians here. I have never claimed all muslims are victims or perpretarators but feel free to put words into y posts which ft your agenda- there is a serious attempt to inflitrate and conrtol certain parts of the UK ( this is already, happening- but not in front of you- which is great). So my reasons for voting are totally not in keeping with your rehtoric about Nazis and racists being the only people concerned with open door policy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 21, 2016, 08:25:19 PM
This is the trouble Stephen I am face to face with the uglier side to 'open door' policy- no plunbers or electricians here. I have never claimed all muslims are victims or perpretarators but feel free to put words into y posts which ft your agenda- there is a serious attempt to inflitrate and conrtol certain parts of the UK ( this is already, happening- but not in front of you- which is great). So my reasons for voting are totally not in keeping with your rehtoric about Nazis and racists being the only people concerned with open door policy.
When did I mention Nazis ?
It it is you putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 21, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
Perhaps you would like to educate us with your wisdom and state how you would stamp it out, and second why are you defending Trump.
By the way not all Muslim women are abused ?
You need to get out and meet people and not make assumptions.
I have tried as many have to bring these things to the fore front for many years, it is only now these things are being talked about and culture is no longer a reason to ignore such things. Many poeple were witch hunted out of jobs for daring to speak up. so much for freedom of speech.
Can you direct me to posts where I am defending Trump.
Just so happens my Husband is 12 years younger than me but we didn't date when I was 12...does this make me a bad person?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 22, 2016, 08:03:02 AM
I have tried as many have to bring these things to the fore front for many years, it is only now these things are being talked about and culture is no longer a reason to ignore such things. Many poeple were witch hunted out of jobs for daring to speak up. so much for freedom of speech.
Can you direct me to posts where I am defending Trump.
Just so happens my Husband is 12 years younger than me but we didn't date when I was 12...does this make me a bad person?
'Can you direct me to posts where I am defending Trump.
Just so happens my Husband is 12 years younger than me but we didn't date when I was 12...does this make me a bad person? '
You just did defend him in what you said. He said what he did when he was already 50 odd years old about a 10 year old girl. Have you likewise forgotten what hew said about about one of his daughters, let alone what he said about feeling p#ssy when he felt inclined ? 8)-)))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 22, 2016, 09:20:23 AM
'Can you direct me to posts where I am defending Trump.
Just so happens my Husband is 12 years younger than me but we didn't date when I was 12...does this make me a bad person? '
You just did defend him in what you said. He said what he did when he was already 50 odd years old about a 10 year old girl. Have you likewise forgotten what hew said about about one of his daughters, let alone what he said about feeling p#ssy when he felt inclined ? 8)-)))
But of course all of this can be forgiven and forgotten as he hired a woman to help run his campaign a few months before election day.
It seems that some here believe if you are a vile misogynist with a history of abusing women - mentally and even possibly physically - then the act of hiring a woman to work for you acts like some sort of absolution and you are transformed into a non-misogynist.
That doesn't strike me as very rational thinking.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on November 22, 2016, 12:52:51 PM
Nigel Farage wants to be British ambassador to the US but Boris says there are no jobs vacancies. Shame...the poor luvvy needs a job! At least now we know why he went to see Trump last week.
But of course all of this can be forgiven and forgotten as he hired a woman to help run his campaign a few months before election day.
It seems that some here believe if you are a vile misogynist with a history of abusing women - mentally and even possibly physically - then the act of hiring a woman to work for you acts like some sort of absolution and you are transformed into a non-misogynist.
That doesn't strike me as very rational thinking.
Indeed Alfie.
It merely confirms that Trump uses people and we already know he sees women essentially as sex objects .
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 22, 2016, 02:12:46 PM
President-elect Donald Trump makes further backtracks in that it has been announced that Hillary Clinton will not be pursued over the e-mails controversy.
President-elect Donald Trump makes further backtracks in that it has been announced that Hillary Clinton will not be pursued over the e-mails controversy.
Another two months before he even becomes President and his support will be waning if he keeps this up. Could be he is going for the record of the shortest serving President but he will have to go some to beat William Henry Harrison who served as the ninth U.S. president for a brief period of 32 days in 1841.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 22, 2016, 02:36:07 PM
President-elect Donald Trump makes further backtracks in that it has been announced that Hillary Clinton will not be pursued over the e-mails controversy.
Another two months before he even becomes President and his support will be waning if he keeps this up. Could be he is going for the record of the shortest serving President but he will have to go some to beat William Henry Harrison who served as the ninth U.S. president for a brief period of 32 days in 1841.
Mayhap someone will "do a Charlie Guiteau".
Or: apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play ?.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 22, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
President-elect Donald Trump makes further backtracks in that it has been announced that Hillary Clinton will not be pursued over the e-mails controversy.
"Donald Trump has named South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley as US ambassador to the UN, US media report. She is the first non-white female cabinet-level official appointed within the Trump administration. Mrs Haley is the daughter of Indian immigrants and had been a vocal critic of Mr Trump on the campaign trail".
"Born Nimrata "Nikki" Randhawa, Mrs Haley is the first minority and female governor of South Carolina, a deeply conservative state with a long history of racial strife. She took a public stand against resettling Syrian refugees in South Carolina and also opposed President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 23, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
"Donald Trump has named South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley as US ambassador to the UN, US media report. She is the first non-white female cabinet-level official appointed within the Trump administration. Mrs Haley is the daughter of Indian immigrants and had been a vocal critic of Mr Trump on the campaign trail".
"Born Nimrata "Nikki" Randhawa, Mrs Haley is the first minority and female governor of South Carolina, a deeply conservative state with a long history of racial strife. She took a public stand against resettling Syrian refugees in South Carolina and also opposed President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law".
Meanwhile, we have the contrast between white supremacist appointments , essentailly therefore the Nazi supporting KKK and the first non-white appointment.
Now perhaps this was a token appointment designed to appease................... &%+((£ %£&)**# &%&£(+ %£&)**# &%&£(+
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 23, 2016, 10:27:56 PM
'Can you direct me to posts where I am defending Trump.
Just so happens my Husband is 12 years younger than me but we didn't date when I was 12...does this make me a bad person? '
You just did defend him in what you said. He said what he did when he was already 50 odd years old about a 10 year old girl. Have you likewise forgotten what hew said about about one of his daughters, let alone what he said about feeling p#ssy when he felt inclined ? 8)-)))
No, that is not defending him in anyway, by any stretch if the imagination. I was not comparing myself to him, but as I have said about him he is an idiot and being an idiot he would think he would be in with a chance with a 20 year old when he is 60...oh but wait..you have not condemned your 'refugees' who force women into all sorts of things with their misogynistic behaviour/culture. Sorry it is only Trump's misogynistic behaviour you dislike? His racism you hate... being a bit choosy here eh Stephen? His behaviour will matter more when he is Prededent !
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 23, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
Meanwhile, we have the contrast between white supremacist appointments , essentailly therefore the Nazi supporting KKK and the first non-white appointment.
Now perhaps this was a token appointment designed to appease................... &%+((£ %£&)**# &%&£(+ %£&)**# &%&£(+
Oh you don' think.... no! you don't think he brought in a non whitey to be killed by the Nazis... oh...god....no
appeasement? LOL Maybeez he sees potential in the people he choses and wants to unite,bring together different voices, now if true, that would make him a real smart mover on the political scene.
ps I hate a lot of his policies, but I don't live there...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 24, 2016, 08:55:37 AM
Oh you don' think.... no! you don't think he brought in a non whitey to be killed by the Nazis... oh...god....no
appeasement? LOL Maybeez he sees potential in the people he choses and wants to unite,bring together different voices, now if true, that would make him a real smart mover on the political scene.
ps I hate a lot of his policies, but I don't live there...
Smart isn't the word I'd use for Trump.
After all, he is a 'star' of reality TV.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 24, 2016, 08:58:10 AM
No, that is not defending him in anyway, by any stretch if the imagination. I was not comparing myself to him, but as I have said about him he is an idiot and being an idiot he would think he would be in with a chance with a 20 year old when he is 60...oh but wait..you have not condemned your 'refugees' who force women into all sorts of things with their misogynistic behaviour/culture. Sorry it is only Trump's misogynistic behaviour you dislike? His racism you hate... being a bit choosy here eh Stephen? His behaviour will matter more when he is Prededent !
Yet he was already married when he was talking about a 10 year old girl.
When he mentioned grabbing women by the p##sy, he was married to his current wife.
So not only is he a pervert, but a serial cheat as well.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 24, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
No, that is not defending him in anyway, by any stretch if the imagination. I was not comparing myself to him, but as I have said about him he is an idiot and being an idiot he would think he would be in with a chance with a 20 year old when he is 60...oh but wait..you have not condemned your 'refugees' who force women into all sorts of things with their misogynistic behaviour/culture. Sorry it is only Trump's misogynistic behaviour you dislike? His racism you hate... being a bit choosy here eh Stephen? His behaviour will matter more when he is Prededent !
'...you have not condemned your 'refugees' who force women into all sorts of things with their misogynistic behaviour/culture....'
What the hell are you on about ?
'My refugees' ?
What planet are you living on, to say such a thing. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 25, 2016, 11:43:07 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/donald-trump-scotland-wall.html?_r=0 You have to admit Mr Milne has a great sense of style. Along with the lady from Wargrave on Thames who, about 20 years ago, used to fly an oversized Union Jack from her property. Look up Wargrave population as I may be be accused of promoting racism if I spell it out.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 26, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
'...you have not condemned your 'refugees' who force women into all sorts of things with their misogynistic behaviour/culture....'
What the hell are you on about ?
'My refugees' ?
What planet are you living on, to say such a thing. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Stephen you and Alfie have,perhaps not intentionally, accused trump and brexit supporters as being very similar. Now if you are lumpingTrump supporters and brexit supporters as being lesser human beings that your good self, mysoganist,sexitst,racists or supporters of such behaviour then I feel it only fair that you are judged on that same platform. If you support the remain policy you are supporting the 'multicultural UK, which has become very tolerant of the things you claim to detest. You have not said how you feel about the rape and torure of children by refugees, the crime rates, the treatment of women and children which I have explained in some detail, (althoug graphic medical pictures would send anyone straight to a sick bucket). These are the behaviours of mysoganist,sexist,racist Bstrds. Or do you disagree, or not want to comment? then perhaps you should stop slaying people who vote differently from you as mysoganists,sexist,racists, among other things.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on November 26, 2016, 02:18:37 PM
"If Donald Trump wasn't my father I would spray him with mace" - Ivank Trump @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 26, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
Stephen you and Alfie have,perhaps not intentionally, accused trump and brexit supporters as being very similar. Now if you are lumpingTrump supporters and brexit supporters as being lesser human beings that your good self, mysoganist,sexitst,racists or supporters of such behaviour then I feel it only fair that you are judged on that same platform. If you support the remain policy you are supporting the 'multicultural UK, which has become very tolerant of the things you claim to detest. You have not said how you feel about the rape and torure of children by refugees, the crime rates, the treatment of women and children which I have explained in some detail, (althoug graphic medical pictures would send anyone straight to a sick bucket). These are the behaviours of mysoganist,sexist,racist Bstrds. Or do you disagree, or not want to comment? then perhaps you should stop slaying people who vote differently from you as mysoganists,sexist,racists, among other things.
if you think I would support 'rape and torture of children............', then you need your head examined.
You are attempting directly or indirectly to place all immigrants in the same category and that will never wash. So you accusing me ranks of total hypocrisy.
Likewise, I will not be told by anyone that supporting 'remain' links into any of the comments made by you about immigrants.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 26, 2016, 04:28:17 PM
if you think I would support 'rape and torture of children............', then you need your head examined.
You are attempting directly or indirectly to place all immigrants in the same category and that will never wash. So you accusing me ranks of total hypocrisy.
Likewise, I will not be told by anyone that supporting 'remain' links into any of the comments made by you about immigrants.
There is a difference between refugee and immigrant you chose not to seperate them. Many who have come here have brougt those self same triats which you apply to brexit and Trump supporters. Remainers refuse to see this. My arguments is simply this do just open the flood gates to all and sundry. People whould apply properly if they want to come and work/live here. And lets get rid of the criminal elements once and for all.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on November 26, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
There is a difference between refugee and immigrant you chose not to seperate them. Many who have come here have brougt those self same triats which you apply to brexit and Trump supporters. Remainers refuse to see this. My arguments is simply this do just open the flood gates to all and sundry. People whould apply properly if they want to come and work/live here. And lets get rid of the criminal elements once and for all.
So how would you remove all the criminals in this country ?
By magic perhaps. 8(>((
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 05, 2016, 05:58:17 PM
Perhaps you could ask Hairy Spotter and his magic wand. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Naw there would be some gangster government run service to do this kind of work. They do it already... just need to get more efficient and remove the 'right to family life from the wee book' . 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on December 05, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
Naw there would be some gangster government run service to do this kind of work. They do it already... just need to get more efficient and remove the 'right to family life from the wee book' . 8**8:/:
Ain't going to happen.
Unless of course you want to see camps where these people are locked up for 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 05, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
Unless of course you want to see camps where these people are locked up for 24 hours a day.
Provide the infrastructure to accommodate the millions ( and lets not kid ourselves there are millions all from all over the world) 'refugees' and we will negociate...we cannot sustain what we have here stephen You don't seem to want to know that. And that is fine.... for now. So, just as a by question are there any luvvies wanting to say it ike it is ie dear people of the UK put up and shut up be glad of what you have got and share, share , share . Not us we don't share darling hivings no.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on December 05, 2016, 09:51:17 PM
Provide the infrastructure to accommodate the millions ( and lets not kid ourselves there are millions all from all over the world) 'refugees' and we will negociate...we cannot sustain what we have here stephen You don't seem to want to know that. And that is fine.... for now. So, just as a by question are there any luvvies wanting to say it ike it is ie dear people of the UK put up and shut up be glad of what you have got and share, share , share . Not us we don't share darling hivings no.
You are implying that millions upon millions more will come to the UK.
I call that scare mongering.
By the way, do you deny the fact, that whether from the EU or elsewhere, immigrants are net beneficiaries to the UK economy.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 05, 2016, 11:16:20 PM
You are implying that millions upon millions more will come to the UK.
I call that scare mongering.
By the way, do you deny the fact, that whether from the EU or elsewhere, immigrants are net beneficiaries to the UK economy.
I can assure you I am not scare mongering at all. Look at the population of Africa/Aisia. Not all immigrants are net beneficiaries anyone claiming they are, are delusional.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on December 06, 2016, 07:56:00 AM
I can assure you I am not scare mongering at all. Look at the population of Africa/Aisia. Not all immigrants are net beneficiaries anyone claiming they are, are delusional.
You are either being deliberately misleading or at the very least very foolish.
Do you comprehend the word 'net' ?
There are spongers on the state in any country.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2016, 12:41:11 PM
Well here's a turn up for the book.............
' The son of Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser, Michael Flynn, has lost his job in the president-elect’s transition team after he spread a false conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton that led to shots being fired in pizza restaurant.
While working for his father, Michael Flynn Jr tweeted an erroneous theory that Clinton’s allies had been running a paedophile ring in the Comet Ping Pong pizza parlour in Washington.
Even after a man on Sunday fired a rifle in the restaurant, in an incident apparently sparked by the conspiracy theory, Flynn said on Twitter that the fake news would “remain a story” until proven false. '
' The son of Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser, Michael Flynn, has lost his job in the president-elect’s transition team after he spread a false conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton that led to shots being fired in pizza restaurant.
While working for his father, Michael Flynn Jr tweeted an erroneous theory that Clinton’s allies had been running a paedophile ring in the Comet Ping Pong pizza parlour in Washington.
Even after a man on Sunday fired a rifle in the restaurant, in an incident apparently sparked by the conspiracy theory, Flynn said on Twitter that the fake news would “remain a story” until proven false. '
Russia dunnit! Russia dunnit! Russia, Russia, Russia......
That's the MSM mantra.
But, has anyone noticed how...... they give absolutely no proof of this.
Indeed, this week, when federal law makers asked the intelligence agencies to give testimony to congress on the issue.....they refused.
How extraordinary!
It seems we just have to accept that Russia dunnit, because Obama says so.
Apparently, according to beeb news tonight some high ranking geezer in the Democrats HQ clicked on a dodgy email in error and bingo the gremlins or should I say Kremlin is/are in. And the band played Believe It If You Like.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on December 16, 2016, 11:35:25 PM
He is trying to act tough at the end of his presidency.............
A miserable failure.
Not sure that I agree with you on that, Stephen.
Some of the information may be made public (the general gist of the agreement of US agencies concerning Russian involvement already has been), but I would have thought that other aspects can't be, without revealing how exactly they found out.
The alternatives are that this accusation of Russian involvement has been totally invented (by the numerous agencies who apparently normally squabble with each other all the time) or that reality lies somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2016, 11:54:25 PM
Trump won. Hahahhah. I don't really care. I live in France, and I am having a really bad time at the moment with the Exchange Rate. It has knocked shit out of my Pension. But not for the first time.
You just get on and deal with it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: mercury on December 17, 2016, 12:14:02 AM
Trump won. Hahahhah. I don't really care. I live in France, and I am having a really bad time at the moment with the Exchange Rate. It has knocked shit out of my Pension. But not for the first time.
You just get on and deal with it.
Glad to hear that Karma at best
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Eleanor on December 17, 2016, 12:20:52 AM
Some of the information may be made public (the general gist of the agreement of US agencies concerning Russian involvement already has been), but I would have thought that other aspects can't be, without revealing how exactly they found out.
The alternatives are that this accusation of Russian involvement has been totally invented (by the numerous agencies who apparently normally squabble with each other all the time) or that reality lies somewhere in between.
You may be right.
However, the Americans trying to play the innocent doesn't really wash, as they have undeniably tried to interfere in other countries elections/politics, via computer hacking and other means. Namely, if the Russians did it, it wouldn't be unique to them.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
Some of the information may be made public (the general gist of the agreement of US agencies concerning Russian involvement already has been), but I would have thought that other aspects can't be, without revealing how exactly they found out.
The alternatives are that this accusation of Russian involvement has been totally invented (by the numerous agencies who apparently normally squabble with each other all the time) or that reality lies somewhere in between.
Have the CIA found Saddam's weapons of mass destruction yet?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 17, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
US hacking claims: Clinton blames Russia and FBI boss for loss
It seems the Russians, or should I say Putin, has him by the balls.
To be fair, I find it hard to tell in this era of "post-truth" just how much is true.
I wasn't aware of it at the time, but it seems that that a journalist at Mother Jones interviewed the former MI6 chap back in October: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 12, 2017, 07:58:03 AM
To be fair, I find it hard to tell in this era of "post-truth" just how much is true.
I wasn't aware of it at the time, but it seems that that a journalist at Mother Jones interviewed the former MI6 chap back in October: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
This story gets more complex by the day.
Most countries, have a history of using sexual blackmail in spying, and most men can't see beyond the length of their own appendage.
There are errors in the report. no doubt.
Trump's performance, fopr want of a better term yesterday, highlighted just how he is psychologically unfit for being President.
He has been called a man-child , which is in my view a very accurate description., His hypocrisy, about 'fake news' , knows no bounds. His campaign was full of it, and so is he.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 12, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
To be fair, I find it hard to tell in this era of "post-truth" just how much is true.
I wasn't aware of it at the time, but it seems that that a journalist at Mother Jones interviewed the former MI6 chap back in October: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
It makes sense, provided that: 1.The Russians thought Mr Trump was a realistic candidate for the Presidency or: 2.The Russians were confident of rigging the US Republican Party and Presidential elections to ensure he was. 3. There was a rouble or two to be made out of it regardless.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 13, 2017, 10:18:49 PM
I'm confused. Easily done.
a) What did Trump mean by his electoral promise of "draining the swamp"?
b) How is he intending to achieve whatever that means?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 15, 2017, 09:53:10 AM
I see the MSM is still railing against the president elect.....
FYI... John Lewis commented on Trump, Trump replied in kind....
Now watch the race baiting media stir it up.
Inauguration day will be interesting, watching the peace loving democrats & that peaceful protest movement BLM start a riot, because their vote didn't win.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 15, 2017, 10:10:05 AM
As the Kenyan, Muslim Race Baiter In Chief..... leaves the Whitehouse... with the MSM fawning over him...it's worth remembering that, Black Lives Matter (The cop killing hate movement) didn't even exist prior to his presidency...
Race relations were better, before he stirred it all up.
It's worth remembering also that the biggest killer of Blacks in the U.S isn't white supremacy, it isn't the KKK or Donald Trump supporters....
It's other Blacks.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2017, 08:13:34 AM
Trump's camp made up so many stories in his campaign, it was laughable.
To accuse others of making up news, as he did was pathetic.
he is a child in a old man's body.
I just loved the piles of blank sheets of paper at the conference the other day, they just highlighted him as a man, i.e. a blank slate.
US State Secretary John Kerry questioned Mr Trump's remark.
"I thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president-elect of the United States to be stepping into the politics of other countries in a quite direct manner," he told CNN.
....Yes, you read that right, John Kerry, that same John Kerry who's been involved in attempting to otherthrow the democraticly elected government of Syria for the past 5 years by supporting ISIS....
&%&£(+
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 17, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
US State Secretary John Kerry questioned Mr Trump's remark.
"I thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president-elect of the United States to be stepping into the politics of other countries in a quite direct manner," he told CNN.
....Yes, you read that right, John Kerry, that same John Kerry who's been involved in attempting to otherthrow the democraticly elected government of Syria for the past 5 years by supporting ISIS....
&%&£(+
You can cite his support of ISIL I presume ?
Trump of course weighed in with ''I'll bomb the sh#t out of Isis''
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 17, 2017, 08:47:22 AM
US State Secretary John Kerry questioned Mr Trump's remark.
"I thought, frankly, it was inappropriate for a president-elect of the United States to be stepping into the politics of other countries in a quite direct manner," he told CNN.
....Yes, you read that right, John Kerry, that same John Kerry who's been involved in attempting to otherthrow the democraticly elected government of Syria for the past 5 years by supporting ISIS....
&%&£(+
Erm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 17, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
You really do need to read my comments, and not cherry pick what suits you.
The Americans, Russians, Chinese, British governments and many more, will back those that suit their agenda and political bent.
Just as will Trump.
Did you watch last nights Panorama ?
Don't bother saying it's leftist.
Try to watch the section where it is shown Trump had dealings with the Mafia.
The Russians have him by the gonads.
Likewise, watch Saturday Night's Live most recent opening segment.
BBC Leftist?
No, not at all, I don't doubt for a moment that the anti Brexit, pro Migrant, pro Muslim,pro Obama/Hillary, anti Russian, anti-white male BBC, produced a fair & completely unbiased programme.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 18, 2017, 09:39:59 AM
No, not at all, I don't doubt for a moment that the anti Brexit, pro Migrant, pro Muslim,pro Obama/Hillary, anti Russian, anti-white male BBC, produced a fair & completely unbiased programme.
Get a life Spam.
Trump is a fraud, but he spouts what many stupid and ignorant people would not do themselves.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2017, 12:22:22 PM
Good Stephen, good, ....let the hate flow through you....
I notice you say ...."you're just a racist".... as if coming from some morally superior standpoint....
As if my beliefs & political persuasion are somehow inferior to your own....
Discriminatory, almost......kind of makes you not much better than a racist really doesn't it.
Anyone who thinks women deserve to be raped and Muslims deserve to be rounded up and executed is a morally inferior specimen of humanity, IMO of course.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 18, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Anyone who thinks women deserve to be raped and Muslims deserve to be rounded up and executed is a morally inferior specimen of humanity, IMO of course.
Yes, that is your opinion.
But that doesn't mean it's right .....or that it's of any significance....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 18, 2017, 09:00:35 PM
Under Sharia Law....rape of non muslim women, if captured in battle or bought as slaves.....is legal.
&, in order for a muslim woman to prove rape....there must be 4 male witnesses....
Also.....Apostasy, abandononing Islam...is punishable by death.
So, since Rape & killing are acceptable in Islam, no doubt you consider yourself morally superior to Muslims, in this regard......
Racist.
OK. So you consider yourself to have the same morals as the people you despise - what is it about them that you despise, exactly? It seems you have much more in common with followers of fundamental Islam than you do with Libtards like myself. You should be welcoming them in with open arms!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 19, 2017, 11:42:04 AM
OK. So you consider yourself to have the same morals as the people you despise - what is it about them that you despise, exactly? It seems you have much more in common with followers of fundamental Islam than you do with Libtards like myself. You should be welcoming them in with open arms!
Except that science & evolution disprove the existance of God....
If I like rape & murder....it's because I choose to.....not because that belief set has been dictated to me by an imaginary man in the sky, or a paedophile prophet....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 19, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
Tollerant Liberal.....
Florida man charged with threatening to kill President-elect Trump at his inauguration on Twitter was a close family friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton
Why don't you comment on the violent Trump supporters such as the KKK and other white supremacist organizations ?
Since you believe in evolution, would you care to remind me where the human race evolved ?
Mostly, because the violent Trump supporters, of which you speak, were retaliating ... having been attacked in the first instance by filthy anti-democratic democrats, who tried to shut down freedom of speech at his rallies....
and Africa....
Have you seen how well Zimbabwe has been fairing since they took back the land & sent the white devil home?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 19, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
Mostly, because the violent Trump supporters, of which you speak, were retaliating ... having been attacked in the first instance by filthy anti-democratic democrats, who tried to shut down freedom of speech at his rallies....
and Africa....
Have you seen how well Zimbabwe has been fairing since they took back the land & sent the white devil home?
What a load of rubbish.
Trump's 'politics' is founded on hate and lies.
As to 'racial' hatred, if you prefer that term, it happens in all communities around the world.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 19, 2017, 01:23:40 PM
CNN goad Trump hating liberals into killing him, passing it off as 'news'....
"Disaster could put Obama cabinet member into office"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxIG4dduqy0
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 19, 2017, 01:30:14 PM
Except that science & evolution disprove the existance of God....
If I like rape & murder....it's because I choose to.....not because that belief set has been dictated to me by an imaginary man in the sky, or a paedophile prophet....
Oh, now look who's coming over all superior. Face it Spam, you're no better than the very thing you despise, in fact you're worse as you profess to make the choices you do of your own free will, at least the deluded have an excuse. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 19, 2017, 01:57:12 PM
I doubt it but some of the US "ruling classes" may find life will not be quite the same again.
...and who are in his cabinet ?
Ah yes, the rich ruling elite. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Erngath on January 20, 2017, 05:57:24 PM
I hoped to have some reassurance and hope when he had completed his inauguration speech but it was utterly insular. Doesn't he see that his America first, American jobs first, American goods first will backfire.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 20, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
Well they do have God on their side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfHLYIms97A
..................................If God's on our side He'll stop the next war.
Doesn't need a war, Alice, if people don't ask questions. "One push of the button And a shot the world wide And you never ask questions When God's on your side"
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 20, 2017, 11:47:21 PM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2017, 11:50:31 AM
Dear Putin H8ters....
Anti Russian sentiment = Racism.
Hypocrites.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 21, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
Megyn Kelly leaves Fox for NBC: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/03/why-megyn-kelly-is-leaving-fox-news-for-nbc.html
... And Farage lands a job as a Fox commentator: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/nigel-farage-fox-news-commentator-donald-trump-rupert-murdoch
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 21, 2017, 02:18:03 PM
Megyn Kelly leaves Fox for NBC: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/01/03/why-megyn-kelly-is-leaving-fox-news-for-nbc.html
... And Farage lands a job as a Fox commentator: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/nigel-farage-fox-news-commentator-donald-trump-rupert-murdoch
Interesting; Murdock owns Fox that was a bit opposed to Trump, now Murdoch is trying to cosy up to Trump having backed the wrong horse as it were.Nigel looks like he could wind up in the boondocks.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 21, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
He's a megalomaniac, just like his puppet, and a few others I could mention.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 21, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
And meanwhile the real financiers of terrorism from Bin Laden to Daesh, Saudi Arabia, keep schtum...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Theresa May set to fly out next week to meet Donald Trump
Theresa May will fly out to meet Donald Trump next week in secret plans to make her the first foreign leader to hold talks with the new US President......
Within hours of moving into the White House, Donald Trump has honoured his pledge to return the bust of Winston Churchill to the Oval Office.
The Jacob Epstein sculpture was given to President George W Bush by Tony Blair.
It was displayed in the Oval Office but was removed by President Barack Obama and replaced by a bust of Martin Luther King in 2009.
The former president's decision to send the bust back to the British embassy in Washington was greeted with outrage on both sides of the Atlantic.
Mr Obama sought to deflect the criticism by saying he had a second bust of Churchill which he kept in his private quarters.
“My private office is called the Treaty Room. Right outside the door of the Treaty Room so that I see it every day, including on weekends when I’m going into that office to watch a basketball game, the primary image I see is a bust of Winston Churchill,” he said.
But critics were unconvinced. Boris Johnson, who was London mayor at the time, said the move was a "snub to Britain". He suggested that the decision had been fuelled by what he described as Mr Obama's "ancestral dislike of the British Empire".
Mr Trump, who has a Scottish mother and is regarded as an Anglophile, had hinted that he was ready to return the bust to its pride of place in the Oval Office in a New York Times interview.
The case for returning the Epstein bust to the White House was pressed by Nigel Farage, the former UKIP leader, who forged a close relationship with Mr Trump.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 21, 2017, 05:01:14 PM
Did everyone see the rioting s..m in New York yesterday smashing windows and burning cars? I hope Donald means what he says and gives the police the resources to bring these morons to justice.
Trump supporters under attack: Two arrested in Connecticut for 'beating up a man holding a Trump sign' while New York police hunt suspect who 'choked a subway passenger in MAGA hat'
Did everyone see the rioting s..m in New York yesterday smashing windows and burning cars? I hope Donald means what he says and gives the police the resources to bring these morons to justice.
The New York Police were too soft on those rioters, they should have shot every friggin one of them and not with a taser too. There is only one language that s..m understand.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 21, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
Does that apply to Trump supporters who have committed acts of violence and Trump himself, in his actions.
I see he is calling the media liars again for saying there was a sparse turnout for his inauguration.
He claims 1 and a half million..... *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 21, 2017, 09:45:21 PM
Donald Trump will remain President no matter how many husbands get their tea late this evening.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 21, 2017, 11:06:27 PM
Women out protesting at Trump, outraged by his 'locker room talk' (that happened over 10 years ago)
Sharia Law literally punishes women for being raped, forces them to cover up & treats them like second class citizens, & yet, I've never seen these womens rights activists marching on the Saudi Embassy....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 22, 2017, 06:34:00 AM
Women out protesting at Trump, outraged by his 'locker room talk' (that happened over 10 years ago)
Sharia Law literally punishes women for being raped, forces them to cover up & treats them like second class citizens, & yet, I've never seen these womens rights activists marching on the Saudi Embassy....
You've never seen...,
How would you know ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 22, 2017, 06:58:05 AM
Organizer For DC Women’s March, Linda Sarsour Is Pro Sharia Law with Ties To Hamas
Approximately 200,000 people participated in a ‘Women’s March’ in D.C. on Saturday. One of the organizers of the march, Linda Sarsour is a Pro-Palestine Muslim activist.
She also advocates for Sharia Law in America and has ties to terrorist organization, Hamas.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 22, 2017, 07:06:00 AM
Dear women...
When you've finished the ironing, Can someone explain to me which Trump administration policy you consider a threat to womens rights & civil liberties?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 22, 2017, 08:14:45 AM
Organizer For DC Women’s March, Linda Sarsour Is Pro Sharia Law with Ties To Hamas
Approximately 200,000 people participated in a ‘Women’s March’ in D.C. on Saturday. One of the organizers of the march, Linda Sarsour is a Pro-Palestine Muslim activist.
She also advocates for Sharia Law in America and has ties to terrorist organization, Hamas.
Why haven't you condemned Trump for saying he could go out and kill someone, and still get votes ?
Desperate for what stephen?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 22, 2017, 11:37:18 AM
Trump's tweet when Obama won a second term
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Follow More We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! RETWEETS 29,473 LIKES 16,795
8:29 PM - 6 Nov 2012
@)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 22, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
Not quite.... 'I wanna blow up the Black House'... really, is it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 22, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
Let's get that wall started, the illegals rounded up and America back to work.
We have already seen in just a few short days, that he and his entourage are already in denial, and that will only get worse.
Just look at his history with the so called 'Trump University', and courses in selling 'real estate', and the people conned out of money, court cases still pending, of course. Even the use of the word 'University' had not been legally sanctioned and had to be withdrawn, beofre yet that business collapsed as well.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 23, 2017, 12:00:12 PM
Let's get that wall started, the illegals rounded up and America back to work.
Can I ask upon what do you base your absolute belief in Trump? He has claimed that he will eradicate Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth - how do you think he's going to achieve that, exactly?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 23, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
I just listened to a Trump supporter on a phone in.
He was asked, why don't you believe the shots of live cameras showing a poor turnout for Trump's inauguration ?
Answer, 'I watched it myself on a live feed on the internet, and they (i.e. the media) were lying'.
The same person was asked if he believes Trump never tells lies. He said no.
So he was asked why Trump hasn't published his tax returns, even tough he repeatedly promised he would.
Enough said.
So John, why do you support Trump ?
I can't see for the life of me why you do.
I can't stand Hilary Clinton either.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 23, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
Can I ask upon what do you base your absolute belief in Trump? He has claimed that he will eradicate Islamic terrorism from the face of the earth - how do you think he's going to achieve that, exactly?
By mustering the Urban Saints? [I hope you "did" medieval history and can think laterally otherwise ......]
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 23, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
I just listened to a Trump supporter on a phone in.
He was asked, why don't you believe the shots of live cameras showing a poor turnout for Trump's inauguration ?
Answer, 'I watched it myself on a live feed on the internet, and they (i.e. the media) were lying'.
The same person was asked if he believes Trump never tells lies. He said no.
So he was asked why Trump hasn't published his tax returns, even tough he repeatedly promised he would.
Enough said.
So John, why do you support Trump ?
I can't see for the life of me why you do.
I can't stand Hilary Clinton either.
The media including both Sky and the BBC are very anti in their reporting so Trump is spot on. He is a businessman and will do whatever is necessary from that perspective to make America great again. I thought this mornings interview was refreshing. Its time countries like China and Japan were put in their place where free trade is concerned.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 23, 2017, 04:56:51 PM
The media including both Sky and the BBC are very anti in their reporting so Trump is spot on. He is a businessman and will do whatever is necessary from that perspective to make America great again. I thought this mornings interview was refreshing. Its time countries like China and Japan were put in their place where free trade is concerned.
That is a matter of perspective.
Trump's narcissism and blatant lies will be his undoing.
Made in reality TV and then destroyed on a worldwide stage.
I watched an American farmer being asked why he supported Trump.
He said, 'because he supports the little guy'. *&*%£
Which is why his cabinet is full of rich people. 8)--))
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 23, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
Let's get that wall started, the illegals rounded up and America back to work.
Wall: Who is going to upfront the money for it?
Illegals: - What are the criteria?
- How many are there?
- How much will need to be invested?
- What are the legal issues of those who've been simply working, without creating any trouble, but without official documentation for a number of years?
- How many have done anything more serious than not having official work permits?
- What do you do with children born there?
- What are the legal recourses?
- How long will it take to go through due process in each case?
- Who pays for it?
- What do you do with more serious cases of those who've committed crimes, but whose countries of origin refuse to take them back?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin is currently in a war zone?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin will / or is likely to exact a sentence of a far worse sentence than they would incur in the US?
America back to work: - Doing what, for how much?
I could go on...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 23, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
- What are the legal issues of those who've been simply working, without creating any trouble, but without official documentation for a number of years?
- How many have done anything more serious than not having official work permits?
- What do you do with children born there?
- What are the legal recourses?
- How long will it take to go through due process in each case?
- Who pays for it?
- What do you do with more serious cases of those who've committed crimes, but whose countries of origin refuse to take them back?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin is currently in a war zone?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin will / or is likely to exact a sentence of a far worse sentence than they would incur in the US?
America back to work: - Doing what, for how much?
I could go on...
Excellent post Carana. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 23, 2017, 08:14:34 PM
- What are the legal issues of those who've been simply working, without creating any trouble, but without official documentation for a number of years?
- How many have done anything more serious than not having official work permits?
- What do you do with children born there?
- What are the legal recourses?
- How long will it take to go through due process in each case?
- Who pays for it?
- What do you do with more serious cases of those who've committed crimes, but whose countries of origin refuse to take them back?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin is currently in a war zone?
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin will / or is likely to exact a sentence of a far worse sentence than they would incur in the US?
America back to work: - Doing what, for how much?
I could go on...
Donald is the President, I'm sure he will find a way. It's only a pity we didn't have a Donald here in the UK to sort our country out too!
I see Donald has returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the Oval Office, fair play to him!
Wall: Who is going to upfront the money for it? There are three bloody great deserts which form an effective barrier so it need not be a very big wall. Probably if the Texan Hispanics knocked down and broke up the San Jacinto Monument there would be enough masonry. Then the brickies could be Hispanic I.Is promised US Citizenship in exchange for their labour.
Illegals: - What are the criteria?Someone in the country in violation of the country's immigration laws.
- How many are there? 11 million of whom about 5.5 million are Mexican. http://theweek.com/articles/650402/truth-about-americas-illegal-immigrants
- How much will need to be invested? Good question but you and I will not contribute
- What are the legal issues of those who've been simply working, without creating any trouble, but without official documentation for a number of years? Half pay income tax but technically remain I.Is
- How many have done anything more serious than not having official work permits? Not a lot
- What do you do with children born there? They are US citizens
- What are the legal recourses? Dunno
- How long will it take to go through due process in each case? Dunno
- Who pays for it? The US Taxpayer
- What do you do with more serious cases of those who've committed crimes, but whose countries of origin refuse to take them back? ? If they have a passport for that country it’s difficult to see how that will happen. Australia had no difficulty sending a guy back to Scotland fairly recently.
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin is currently in a war zone? ? Keep them in prison until they have served their time then send them back.
- What do you do with criminals whose country of origin will / or is likely to exact a sentence of a far worse sentence than they would incur in the US? See above
America back to work: - Doing what, for how much? See Black Sabbath or Hayseed Dixie ………War Pigs. If Trump doesn’t shaft the establishment
I could go on...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 23, 2017, 09:01:04 PM
He does indeed. So far, he seems to have managed to offend just about everyone fairly quickly and has sent jitters throughout much of the world.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: misty on January 23, 2017, 11:00:06 PM
The USA is well on the way to becoming the new North Korea, going back to post Depression 1930's isolationism ideology.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 24, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
The US and the UK are both divided up the middle now so interesting times ahead.
Donald has just announced big tax cuts for the middle class and for businesses, I wonder will Theresa follow suit?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 24, 2017, 07:54:04 AM
“I am glad the Trans-Pacific Partnership is dead and gone,”
“For the last 30 years, we have had a series of trade deals — including the North American Free Trade Agreement, permanent normal trade relations with China and others — which have cost us millions of decent-paying jobs and caused a ‘race to the bottom’ which has lowered wages for American workers.
Now is the time to develop a new trade policy that helps working families, not just multinational corporations. If President Trump is serious about a new policy to help American workers, then I would be delighted to work with him.”
Not All Muslims are terrorists,.... but most terrorists are Muslims, or Leftists.
You can of course prove that ?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 25, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
I'd find Trump quite entertaining if he were a charcter in a sitcom. The problem is that it's real life.
He keeps moaning about what he calls "fake news". It's unclear whether showergate ever took place or not, so he may have a point about that. On the other hand, his own record of spouting "alternative facts" is so long that it's hard to remember all of them.
And this from one of the main proponents of the consipiracy theory since 2011 (until just recently) that Obama wasn't born in the US...
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The irony....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 25, 2017, 08:59:41 PM
And Donald has today signed the Executive Order commencing the building of the wall. Who was it who posted not so long ago that it would never happen? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 25, 2017, 09:29:59 PM
And Donald has today signed the Executive Order commencing the building of the wall. Who was it who posted not so long ago that it would never happen? @)(++(*
Not built yet.
It will be interesting to see how he intends to get the Mexicans pay for it.
8(0(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 25, 2017, 09:43:14 PM
It will be interesting to see how he intends to get the Mexicans pay for it.
8(0(*
I reckon he'll threaten to nuke them if they don't cough up, or something equally sensible and proportionate. He'll probably tweet the threat to the Mexican president at 2am.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 25, 2017, 09:58:07 PM
I reckon he'll threaten to nuke them if they don't cough up, or something equally sensible and proportionate. He'll probably tweet the threat to the Mexican president at 2am.
Perhaps the Mexicans can fire a Habanero up his derriere.
That would bring tears to his eyes. *&*%£
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 26, 2017, 12:16:21 AM
And Donald has today signed the Executive Order commencing the building of the wall. Who was it who posted not so long ago that it would never happen? @)(++(*
You may not be interested, John, but there would appear to be a few problems... http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-wall-mexico-challenges/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 26, 2017, 12:28:11 AM
You may not be interested, John, but there would appear to be a few problems... http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-wall-mexico-challenges/
Nah...it'll be worth it in the end. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on January 26, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
I'd find Trump quite entertaining if he were a charcter in a sitcom. The problem is that it's real life.
He keeps moaning about what he calls "fake news". It's unclear whether showergate ever took place or not, so he may have a point about that. On the other hand, his own record of spouting "alternative facts" is so long that it's hard to remember all of them.
And this from one of the main proponents of the consipiracy theory since 2011 (until just recently) that Obama wasn't born in the US...
Do you have any idea how countries like America and the UK depend on cheap labour.
As you will find out in due course Trump's actions will effectively result in America cutting it's own throat.
Do you seriously believe the drug traffickers or peopke smugglers will be put off by a wall.
Perhaps Trump will build a wall around the coasts as well. @)(++(* @)(++(*
The majority of illegals and criminals cross an open border between Mexico and the US. The wall or fence together with the other additional resources being put in place will make that much more difficult. I though you knew that?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 26, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
The majority of illegals and criminals cross an open border between Mexico and the US. The wall or fence together with the other additional resources being put in place will make that much more difficult. I though you knew that?
Drugs and trafficking is big business, don't kid yourself otherwise.
After all, drugs do sell in the States, don't they.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 26, 2017, 11:55:18 AM
Did you miss the news on Tuesday? Trump has signed the Executive Order instructing works to start immediately. That means engaging engineers and doing surveys etc. You have been wrong about so much recently I'm beginning to doubt anything you post.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 26, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
Did you miss the news on Tuesday? Trump has signed the Executive Order instructing works to start immediately. That means engaging engineers and doing surveys etc.
Have they started work then ???
Down Mexico way ?
Sounds like a cue for a song. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Admin on January 26, 2017, 12:32:44 PM
It appears to be a ongoing project currently but on a smaller more localised scale. What President Trump is bringing to it will be a significant escalation to cover areas hitherto left unprotected except for the odd Highway Patrol. Trump has signalled that he will authorise the funds to extend the existing barrier and put several thousand more officers on the ground.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 26, 2017, 02:12:00 PM
It appears to be a ongoing project currently but on a smaller more localised scale. What President Trump is bringing to it will be a significant escalation to cover areas hitherto left unprotected except for the odd Highway Patrol. Trump has signalled that he will authorise the funds to extend the existing barrier and put several thousand more officers on the ground.
He said he'd build a wall. It was the mainstay of his camaign slogans.
What was Hillary's concept of improving border control?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 26, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
He said he'd build a wall. It was the mainstay of his camaign slogans.
What was Hillary's concept of improving border control?
That doesn't really matter now. She is yesterday's woman thank god. The second worst Secretary of State after Madeleine Albright. Trump is now Mr President. "He's got the key to the war he's never turned on a war before"...... apologies to Phil Cool re Ronald Reagan. ?{)(**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZG5Ga21yj8 about 10:15 on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slixu0DTyP4.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 26, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
Poor Hilary, she got more votes but still lost the election 8@??)( @)(++(* she must be gutted
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 26, 2017, 03:45:14 PM
Clinton who was bad enough.
The Americans have a President who has childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way, and the codes for America's Nuclear Arsenal.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 26, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
The Americans have a President who has childish tantrums when he doesn't get his way, and the codes for America's Nuclear Arsenal.
You do realise there are several levels of checks to be gone through before launch codes are transmitted and that the President doesn't have a nuclear button with him everywhere he goes?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 26, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
You do realise there are several levels of checks to be gone through before launch codes are transmitted and that the President doesn't have a nuclear button with him everywhere he goes?
It isn't a button. More like an e-banking system. Not sure that that inspires me with any more confidence.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 26, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
You do realise there are several levels of checks to be gone through before launch codes are transmitted and that the President doesn't have a nuclear button with him everywhere he goes?
Yup.
However, we have a bunch of right wing nutters in power.
Besides, if the worst came to the worst, I feel sure one of his military aides would do the right thing, for the world.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 27, 2017, 08:34:33 AM
Here's the Guardian cartoonist Steve Bell's take on the 'Special Relationship'.................
BBC's Laura Kunessberg asking loaded questions of President Trump yesterday.....
"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.
"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"
........
Dear Laura Kunessberg....
1) Torture works....
2) What about Russia?, you racist.
3) Muslims did 911....
4) Abortion is murder....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on January 28, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
BBC's Laura Kunessberg asking loaded questions of President Trump yesterday.....
"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.
"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"
........
Dear Laura Kunessberg....
1) Torture works....
2) What about Russia?, you racist.
3) Muslims did 911....
4) Abortion is murder....
FFS.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2017, 03:53:01 PM
No offence intended to those who seriously think that Trump is the best invention since sliced bread.
However, I'm not convinced that he is capable of comprehending that running Trump, Inc., or being the Apprentice permanent star simply isn't the same ball game (perhaps he can understand that?) as being the President of the United States.
Trump executive order prompts Google to recall staff
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38781420
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2017, 03:58:09 PM
BBC's Laura Kunessberg asking loaded questions of President Trump yesterday.....
"Mr President, you've said before that torture works, you've praised Russia, you've said you want to ban some Muslims from coming to America, you've suggested there should be punishment for abortion.
"For many people in Britain those sound like alarming beliefs. What do you say to our viewers at home who are worried about some of your views and worried about you becoming the leader of the free world?"
........
Dear Laura Kunessberg....
1) Torture works....
2) What about Russia?, you racist.
3) Muslims did 911....
4) Abortion is murder....
LOL. I doubt that you actually believe 1/10 of what you state (on any subject on here).
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2017, 04:02:13 PM
Look at all of this week like it's the start of shakedown cruise of a newly commissoned warship. So far he is just showing who is the captain and to whom he is prepared to delegate
Gags? they seem to revolve around US Government Depts which should be gagged. We use the Official Secrets Act. One is only released from that by death.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2017, 07:56:50 PM
Is he seriously trying to silence the mainstream media? Interesting times...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2017, 08:08:35 PM
Look at all of this week like it's the start of shakedown cruise of a newly commissoned warship. So far he is just showing who is the captain and to whom he is prepared to delegate
Gags? they seem to revolve around US Government Depts which should be gagged. We use the Official Secrets Act. One is only released from that by death.
Unless the information divulged causes a risk to national security, why on earth should governmental or non-governmental agencies be gagged from press releases about their work?
Seriously?
How does that compute with the nebulous concept of transparency and accountability?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 28, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
Unless the information divulged causes a risk to national security, why on earth should governmental or non-governmental agencies be gagged from press releases about their work?
Seriously?
How does that compute with the nebulous concept of transparency and accountability?
Well in the jolly old liberal do what you like UK I am still bound by the Official Secrets Act for "stuff I did" at a government scientific research establishment in ...........well in MXV BC That's a Long Time Ago, along with all my contemporaries. gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__SqD8kTyw Try putting a squad of blokes to work on a government establishment site today then you'll find out all the things "Well it couldn't happen in the UK" that can and do happen.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
Well in the jolly old liberal do what you like UK I am still bound by the Official Secrets Act for "stuff I did" at a government scientific research establishment in ...........well in MXV BC That's a Long Time Ago, along with all my contemporaries. gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__SqD8kTyw Try putting a squad of blokes to work on a government establishment site today then you'll find out all the things "Well it couldn't happen in the UK" that can and do happen.
Alice, loads of us could be bound by the Official Secrets Act due to obligations from previous employment.
That isn't the issue: since when have agencies in themselves been gagged from issuing press statements about their work?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 28, 2017, 10:29:29 PM
Alice, loads of us could be bound by the Official Secrets Act due to obligations from previous employment.
That isn't the issue: since when have agencies in themselves been gagged from issuing press statements about their work?
I was talking about working for HMG. Ooops what is that portcullis that has just dropped in my sitting room? There are places over here bound in precisely such a way, where only god can sanction press releases and there are others where it's down to god's god. I see nothing wrong with that as a principle. Private sector companies work in a similar manner. Confidentiality agreements to stop employees trapping off to prevent competitors laying their hands on your IP Rights. Korea and Vietnam, the workshops to the world, will pinch anything. What I picked up from the article was the unauthorised release of information was being clamped down on. I suspect Mr Trump can only do what The Office of President allows him to do which probably is not that much.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 29, 2017, 10:20:32 AM
Well in the jolly old liberal do what you like UK I am still bound by the Official Secrets Act for "stuff I did" at a government scientific research establishment in ...........well in MXV BC That's a Long Time Ago, along with all my contemporaries. gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__SqD8kTyw Try putting a squad of blokes to work on a government establishment site today then you'll find out all the things "Well it couldn't happen in the UK" that can and do happen.
OK... but have a read of this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/24/epa-department-agriculture-social-media-gag-order-trump
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 29, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
And this....
US government workers defy President Trump gagging order on Twitter
Staff from NASA and other agencies rebel against a presidential decree to cease communication with the public on social media.
How on earth could the equivalent of the Official Secrets Act be relevant to the National Park Service? It couldn't possibly be that photos contradicted Trump's bloated claims of attendance at his inauguration, surely?
Or how about this?
"President Trump has ordered that EPA studies and data must be reviewed and approved by a political appointee before being shared with the public.
Two EPA employees told Reuters that the administration has also instructed the agency to remove the climate change page from its website."
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 29, 2017, 03:09:14 PM
... While @RogueUSEPA states that: "Cheeto-haired demagogues don't get to censor science. Now is not the time to retreat."
@AltUsNatParkSer tweeted: "America is a beautiful country. Please don't let it be ruined by corporate greed and science denial. #Resist #Climate.
"Can't wait for President Trump to call us FAKE NEWS. You can take our official Twitter, but you'll never take our free time!"
@AltMtRainierNPS followed suit, mocking Mr Trump with this tweet: "Our mountain is great, really great, it's actually the best mountain, because it's great, so great..."
Pages on subjects such as climate change, civil rights and LGBTQ issues are no longer on the White House website.
Scientists across America are currently organising a march on Washington DC in protest.
And this:
@AltUsNatParkSer tweeted: "America is a beautiful country. Please don't let it be ruined by corporate greed and science denial. #Resist #Climate.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 29, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
Climate change Canadian scientists offer support to muzzled US counterparts
For nine years under Canada’s previous government, science suffered harsh restrictions. Now US scientists may be facing a similar fate
How on earth could the equivalent of the Official Secrets Act be relevant to the National Park Service? It couldn't possibly be that photos contradicted Trump's bloated claims of attendance at his inauguration, surely?
Or how about this?
"President Trump has ordered that EPA studies and data must be reviewed and approved by a political appointee before being shared with the public.
Two EPA employees told Reuters that the administration has also instructed the agency to remove the climate change page from its website."
You could ask the same about The Official Secrets Act. Everyone who worked for DSIR in 1960s had to sign the Act. DSIR covered Water Pollution Research, Building Research, Transport and Roads Research including Drainage, Water Research, NPL and Hydraulics Research. One could argue that none of it should have come under the act but it did so we signed and zipped our mouths. Parts of some public organistions you wouldn't expect to be, were covered by it too. I believe the act was modified in 1989 to simplify matters.
As for EPA stuff I can't answer. As a non believer in climate change he [Mr Trump] will undoubtedly be pushing different datasets about. As our stuff is punted about to suit vested interests I only see one thing wrong with what Trump is doing..... likely he is mispeaking as Hillary would have said.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 31, 2017, 11:02:10 AM
You could ask the same about The Official Secrets Act. Everyone who worked for DSIR in 1960s had to sign the Act. DSIR covered Water Pollution Research, Building Research, Transport and Roads Research including Drainage, Water Research, NPL and Hydraulics Research. One could argue that none of it should have come under the act but it did so we signed and zipped our mouths. Parts of some public organistions you wouldn't expect to be, were covered by it too. I believe the act was modified in 1989 to simplify matters.
As for EPA stuff I can't answer. As a non believer in climate change he [Mr Trump] will undoubtedly be pushing different datasets about. As our stuff is punted about to suit vested interests I only see one thing wrong with what Trump is doing..... likely he is mispeaking as Hillary would have said.
The thing is... we are no longer in the 1960s. In theory.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 31, 2017, 11:13:33 AM
The irony....
Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump
...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825823217025691648
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Even Trump Diehards Are Starting To Turn, Says David Mellor 31 January 2017, 10:49
David Mellor: The Trump administration is only two weeks old, but already it is collapsing into chaos. I wish I could say I’m surprised.
This immigration fiasco is classic Trump: idiotic as an idea, maladroit in its execution.
The concept is wrong, because it demonises innocent people. But it’s worse than that, because it’s not even consistent in its lunacy.
Seven Muslim countries are covered by the ban, not one of which has produced a terrorist on US soil.
Yet Saudi Arabia, which produced more than half the 9.11 terrorists is not on the list. Where’s the sense in that?
Some people say it’s because Trump has business interests in Saudi. Maybe. Who knows? But even from his own point of view, leaving them out is daft.
The chaotic scenes at US airports – and US immigration is always a bit of a nightmare, even without Trump – prompted the Acting Attorney General to suspend the policy. Trump, in a handwritten note apparently - did his secretaries refuse to type the instruction? - has now dismissed her.
What a farce.
The late great Brian Rix couldn’t have imagined anything more ludicrous. By comparison, Monty Python’s most buffoonish sketches look like a slice of real life.
Out of this mess, a number of conclusions begin to emerge.
First, the Trump Presidency cannot survive in its present form. He has to change. But I doubt he can. So already the sound of distant tumbrils can be heard. They’re coming to take him away.
Why wouldn’t they? Ruling by executive order, as he is, is on the edge of unconstitutionality. But he has to do it, because he couldn’t command a majority in Congress for most of this stuff. The Republicans are as edgy as the Democrats. Mutterings about impeachment have already begun, and can only grow.
Secondly, all over the world people are taking to the streets. To condemn ISIS? No, to pillory Trump. How the ISIS leadership must be laughing, that God has given them such a buffoon.
And that provides the answer to someone who said to me, yes, we all know that Trump is a chump, but what about the people who voted for him? Won’t they still be on his side?
WATCH: Trump Fan Gets So Frustrated She Hangs Up On Iain
My answer is, not for much longer. Trump promised to make America great again. To make America respected, even feared in the world. He didn’t say he was going to make the US a laughing stock. But that’s exactly what he’s doing.
Is that what the blue collar patriots who voted for him wanted? Surely it can’t be long before they reject him with the same enthusiasm that the rest of us have already done.
Third, there are the consequences of Trump’s actions. I already predicted last week that American hostages would be taken, tortured, and Trump’s views on torture held up to ridicule on YouTube. It’s a gift for ISIS.
But what about that mosque massacre in Canada? Did that have anything to do with the climate of unreason launched by Trump? Of course it does.
If you feel cheered at the thought that the Trump Presidency might not last, may I introduce into the conversation the depressing topic of Mike Pence. Who he, ed?
Well he’s the VEEP – a nondescript, fundamentalist blockhead, chosen because of his plodding, unimaginative adherence to a narrow far right agenda.
Would he make a better President than Trump? I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 31, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Even Trump Diehards Are Starting To Turn, Says David Mellor 31 January 2017, 10:49
David Mellor: The Trump administration is only two weeks old, but already it is collapsing into chaos. I wish I could say I’m surprised.
This immigration fiasco is classic Trump: idiotic as an idea, maladroit in its execution.
The concept is wrong, because it demonises innocent people. But it’s worse than that, because it’s not even consistent in its lunacy.
Seven Muslim countries are covered by the ban, not one of which has produced a terrorist on US soil.
Yet Saudi Arabia, which produced more than half the 9.11 terrorists is not on the list. Where’s the sense in that?
Some people say it’s because Trump has business interests in Saudi. Maybe. Who knows? But even from his own point of view, leaving them out is daft.
The chaotic scenes at US airports – and US immigration is always a bit of a nightmare, even without Trump – prompted the Acting Attorney General to suspend the policy. Trump, in a handwritten note apparently - did his secretaries refuse to type the instruction? - has now dismissed her.
What a farce.
The late great Brian Rix couldn’t have imagined anything more ludicrous. By comparison, Monty Python’s most buffoonish sketches look like a slice of real life.
Out of this mess, a number of conclusions begin to emerge.
First, the Trump Presidency cannot survive in its present form. He has to change. But I doubt he can. So already the sound of distant tumbrils can be heard. They’re coming to take him away.
Why wouldn’t they? Ruling by executive order, as he is, is on the edge of unconstitutionality. But he has to do it, because he couldn’t command a majority in Congress for most of this stuff. The Republicans are as edgy as the Democrats. Mutterings about impeachment have already begun, and can only grow.
Secondly, all over the world people are taking to the streets. To condemn ISIS? No, to pillory Trump. How the ISIS leadership must be laughing, that God has given them such a buffoon.
And that provides the answer to someone who said to me, yes, we all know that Trump is a chump, but what about the people who voted for him? Won’t they still be on his side?
WATCH: Trump Fan Gets So Frustrated She Hangs Up On Iain
My answer is, not for much longer. Trump promised to make America great again. To make America respected, even feared in the world. He didn’t say he was going to make the US a laughing stock. But that’s exactly what he’s doing.
Is that what the blue collar patriots who voted for him wanted? Surely it can’t be long before they reject him with the same enthusiasm that the rest of us have already done.
Third, there are the consequences of Trump’s actions. I already predicted last week that American hostages would be taken, tortured, and Trump’s views on torture held up to ridicule on YouTube. It’s a gift for ISIS.
But what about that mosque massacre in Canada? Did that have anything to do with the climate of unreason launched by Trump? Of course it does.
If you feel cheered at the thought that the Trump Presidency might not last, may I introduce into the conversation the depressing topic of Mike Pence. Who he, ed?
Well he’s the VEEP – a nondescript, fundamentalist blockhead, chosen because of his plodding, unimaginative adherence to a narrow far right agenda.
Would he make a better President than Trump? I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
That is not difficult to figure out.....but find the answer in here: http://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/blood-year/
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 31, 2017, 06:06:11 PM
Bannon, until recently one of the heads of alt-right Breibart, now chief strategist and part of the National Security Council :
“The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for awhile,” Bannon said, in an interview. “The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/27/steve-bannon-white-house-official-media-keep-mouth-shut-threat
This does seem to be the same Breitbart news site that created a fuss in Germany over this sterling piece of alternative news:
"The German government is investigating a recent surge in fake news, Reuters reports, following claims that Russia is attempting to meddle in the country’s parliamentary elections later this year.
The investigation comes after police in the city of Dortmund were forced to debunk a story published on Breitbart over the weekend. The Breitbart article claimed that a “1,000-man mob” chanting “Allahu Akbar” set fire to a church on New Years Eve, but police said that no incident occurred. A local newspaper said that Breitbart distorted its original report. Breitbart, which has stood by the article, plans to launch websites in both Germany and France ahead of elections this year."
Even Trump Diehards Are Starting To Turn, Says David Mellor 31 January 2017, 10:49
David Mellor: The Trump administration is only two weeks old, but already it is collapsing into chaos. I wish I could say I’m surprised.
This immigration fiasco is classic Trump: idiotic as an idea, maladroit in its execution.
The concept is wrong, because it demonises innocent people. But it’s worse than that, because it’s not even consistent in its lunacy.
Seven Muslim countries are covered by the ban, not one of which has produced a terrorist on US soil.
Yet Saudi Arabia, which produced more than half the 9.11 terrorists is not on the list. Where’s the sense in that?
Some people say it’s because Trump has business interests in Saudi. Maybe. Who knows? But even from his own point of view, leaving them out is daft.
The chaotic scenes at US airports – and US immigration is always a bit of a nightmare, even without Trump – prompted the Acting Attorney General to suspend the policy. Trump, in a handwritten note apparently - did his secretaries refuse to type the instruction? - has now dismissed her.
What a farce.
The late great Brian Rix couldn’t have imagined anything more ludicrous. By comparison, Monty Python’s most buffoonish sketches look like a slice of real life.
Out of this mess, a number of conclusions begin to emerge.
First, the Trump Presidency cannot survive in its present form. He has to change. But I doubt he can. So already the sound of distant tumbrils can be heard. They’re coming to take him away.
Why wouldn’t they? Ruling by executive order, as he is, is on the edge of unconstitutionality. But he has to do it, because he couldn’t command a majority in Congress for most of this stuff. The Republicans are as edgy as the Democrats. Mutterings about impeachment have already begun, and can only grow.
Secondly, all over the world people are taking to the streets. To condemn ISIS? No, to pillory Trump. How the ISIS leadership must be laughing, that God has given them such a buffoon.
And that provides the answer to someone who said to me, yes, we all know that Trump is a chump, but what about the people who voted for him? Won’t they still be on his side?
WATCH: Trump Fan Gets So Frustrated She Hangs Up On Iain
My answer is, not for much longer. Trump promised to make America great again. To make America respected, even feared in the world. He didn’t say he was going to make the US a laughing stock. But that’s exactly what he’s doing.
Is that what the blue collar patriots who voted for him wanted? Surely it can’t be long before they reject him with the same enthusiasm that the rest of us have already done.
Third, there are the consequences of Trump’s actions. I already predicted last week that American hostages would be taken, tortured, and Trump’s views on torture held up to ridicule on YouTube. It’s a gift for ISIS.
But what about that mosque massacre in Canada? Did that have anything to do with the climate of unreason launched by Trump? Of course it does.
If you feel cheered at the thought that the Trump Presidency might not last, may I introduce into the conversation the depressing topic of Mike Pence. Who he, ed?
Well he’s the VEEP – a nondescript, fundamentalist blockhead, chosen because of his plodding, unimaginative adherence to a narrow far right agenda.
Would he make a better President than Trump? I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.
David Mellor on Trump @)(++(*
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on January 31, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
If anyone who signed the Petition thinks the invitation to Donald Trump will be downgraded then they definitely are living in cloud cuckoo land. I couldn't think of a greater insult to the President of the greatest democracy in the world. Trump will come to the UK and he will visit with her majesty and Westminster despite the halfwits in London.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 31, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
Well is Mellor a psychotic nutter like Trump ? 8)-))) &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 31, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Mellor! Mad cow disease WHAT mad cow disease here kids show the people....nom nom nom. TEHN get them mad cows slaughtered this instant! ****************************************************************************************
"Two EPA employees told Reuters that the administration has also instructed the agency to remove the climate change page from its website."
8@??)( 8@??)( yup.. he is calling them out of their comfy chairs to DO something scientific like...erm.. stop scaring people out of their hard earned cash -this is now a huge industry...
OK kids once upon a time we had the ice age.... and now we only have some parts which are covered in ice... We blame ordinary people who cook on gas and electric but not those of us who own huge mansions, drive huge cars, drive huge luxurious ships... its them poor peoples fault lets tax them on this disgraceful behaviour. Heehee
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 31, 2017, 10:06:23 PM
If anyone who signed the Petition thinks the invitation to Donald Trump will be downgraded then they definitely are living in cloud cuckoo land. I couldn't think of a greater insult to the President of the greatest democracy in the world. Trump will come to the UK and he will visit with her majesty and Westminster despite the halfwits in London.
Rescinding an invitation could indeed prove a bit awkward.
If democracy is a precious substance, its handler needs to deal with it delicately.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 31, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
oh the joys we invite hate preachers, Chinese presidents, Irish terrorists, mossad agents, brutal hate regimes like Saudi Arabia none voted by their populace- but no to Donald Trump... oh can you smell the hypocrisy! eminating from the luvvies London pad verandas...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on January 31, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
Mellor! Mad cow disease WHAT mad cow disease here kids show the people....nom nom nom. TEHN get them mad cows slaughtered this instant! ****************************************************************************************
"Two EPA employees told Reuters that the administration has also instructed the agency to remove the climate change page from its website."
8@??)( 8@??)( yup.. he is calling them out of their comfy chairs to DO something scientific like...erm.. stop scaring people out of their hard earned cash -this is now a huge industry...
OK kids once upon a time we had the ice age.... and now we only have some parts which are covered in ice... We blame ordinary people who cook on gas and electric but not those of us who own huge mansions, drive huge cars, drive huge luxurious ships... its them poor peoples fault lets tax them on this disgraceful behaviour. Heehee
I'm afraid you've totally lost me.
He's just banned various departments from issuing press releases about their findings concerning climate change.
There are two issues: why he's issued a gag order on that subject (or others), and why he serves gag orders on anyone who he deems not to be his best friend of the day when attempts are made to rectify his "alternative facts".
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on February 01, 2017, 05:30:47 PM
Trump, well as to his preferences............. &%+((£
We've heard his remarks about a 10 year old girl....
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on February 02, 2017, 05:23:23 PM
' Donald Trump bungled his first operation as Commander-in-Chief. Trump ordered the raid without "sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations," according to a Reuters report. For this, the Trump administration blamed Obama. Again. '
Donald Trump bungled his first operation as Commander-in-Chief. Trump ordered the raid without “sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations,” according to a Reuters report.
The Navy SEAL raid on al Qaeda in Yemen over the weekend resulted in the death of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens and non-combatant civilian deaths, including possibly children, while not producing any militants or taking any prisoners. White House spokesperson Sean Spicer claims that intelligence was gathered, but Spicer’s track record with the truth is less than encouraging.
Ayesha Rascoe for Reuters reported that the military is looking into the possibility of more civilian deaths during the raid, after medics at the scene reported “about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.”
Buckle up for this part because it’s the part where Trump just went in, like he said he would, without even bothering to prepare the basics, “U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.”
“As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.”
A White House official told Reuters that the operation had been signed off by the previous administration in January and had been delayed for “operational reasons.”
From this statement we gather that the Trump White House ordered the raid without looking at any new information. When it went wrong, they blamed Obama.
However, “(O)ne of the three U.S. officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was ‘minimal, at best.'”
And so the decision was made to leave the raid to the new administration in hopes that they could gather better intelligence first, “The decision was made … to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected.”
Perhaps we can agree with the Trump administration that the Obama administration should never have assumed that the Trump administration could or would bother to gather intelligence. After all, Trump keeps telling everyone our intelligence community isn’t worth listening to and he didn’t need intelligence briefings since he is, and I quote, “I’m, like, a smart person.”
The Trump administration’s lack of preparation and attention to detail got a Navy SEAL killed. For this, he blames Obama.
Which, if accurate (and it’s not), would beg the question why doesn’t Trump think he’s supposed to keep on top of current information. If he’s going to rely on old Obama info, perhaps he should step aside and let the man who got Osama lead again.
Instead we are stuck with a petulant child who still expects Obama to do the hard work for him while he obsesses over crowd size and how the country despises him already. Does Trump even know the basics regarding the job?
For the party that drooled over the tragedy of Benghazi, picking through the rubble of personal tragedy to mine for political gold for years, this is an ironic start. They might claim it’s unfair to accuse Trump of getting the SEAL killed, but these are their own standards, set in stone after years of wasting taxpayer money investigating the tragedy in hopes of pinning it on Clinton. When the evidence didn’t comply, they just made things up.
Additionally, failures happen, but it helps to prepare. It helps to trust experts. It helps to respect intelligence reports. If a leader has done none of these things, he or she is to blame for the failure.
It also helps to be accountable for decisions, because it suggests that the leader might be an adult who can learn from their mistakes.
Donald Trump completely blew this raid for reasons that were apparent during the campaign and continue to be problematic.
Intel is not static. This is like step one in the Intelligence Guide for Dummies. Are you scared yet? '
The one thing Trump isn't, and that's smart.
This fits in with the psychological analysis of Trump.
He ordered the raid. It went wrong and he blames everyone else, but himself.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 02, 2017, 07:18:54 PM
' Donald Trump bungled his first operation as Commander-in-Chief. Trump ordered the raid without "sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations," according to a Reuters report. For this, the Trump administration blamed Obama. Again. '
Donald Trump bungled his first operation as Commander-in-Chief. Trump ordered the raid without “sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations,” according to a Reuters report.
The Navy SEAL raid on al Qaeda in Yemen over the weekend resulted in the death of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens and non-combatant civilian deaths, including possibly children, while not producing any militants or taking any prisoners. White House spokesperson Sean Spicer claims that intelligence was gathered, but Spicer’s track record with the truth is less than encouraging.
Ayesha Rascoe for Reuters reported that the military is looking into the possibility of more civilian deaths during the raid, after medics at the scene reported “about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.”
Buckle up for this part because it’s the part where Trump just went in, like he said he would, without even bothering to prepare the basics, “U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.”
“As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.”
A White House official told Reuters that the operation had been signed off by the previous administration in January and had been delayed for “operational reasons.”
From this statement we gather that the Trump White House ordered the raid without looking at any new information. When it went wrong, they blamed Obama.
However, “(O)ne of the three U.S. officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was ‘minimal, at best.'”
And so the decision was made to leave the raid to the new administration in hopes that they could gather better intelligence first, “The decision was made … to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected.”
Perhaps we can agree with the Trump administration that the Obama administration should never have assumed that the Trump administration could or would bother to gather intelligence. After all, Trump keeps telling everyone our intelligence community isn’t worth listening to and he didn’t need intelligence briefings since he is, and I quote, “I’m, like, a smart person.”
The Trump administration’s lack of preparation and attention to detail got a Navy SEAL killed. For this, he blames Obama.
Which, if accurate (and it’s not), would beg the question why doesn’t Trump think he’s supposed to keep on top of current information. If he’s going to rely on old Obama info, perhaps he should step aside and let the man who got Osama lead again.
Instead we are stuck with a petulant child who still expects Obama to do the hard work for him while he obsesses over crowd size and how the country despises him already. Does Trump even know the basics regarding the job?
For the party that drooled over the tragedy of Benghazi, picking through the rubble of personal tragedy to mine for political gold for years, this is an ironic start. They might claim it’s unfair to accuse Trump of getting the SEAL killed, but these are their own standards, set in stone after years of wasting taxpayer money investigating the tragedy in hopes of pinning it on Clinton. When the evidence didn’t comply, they just made things up.
Additionally, failures happen, but it helps to prepare. It helps to trust experts. It helps to respect intelligence reports. If a leader has done none of these things, he or she is to blame for the failure.
It also helps to be accountable for decisions, because it suggests that the leader might be an adult who can learn from their mistakes.
Donald Trump completely blew this raid for reasons that were apparent during the campaign and continue to be problematic.
Intel is not static. This is like step one in the Intelligence Guide for Dummies. Are you scared yet? '
The one thing Trump isn't, and that's smart.
This fits in with the psychological analysis of Trump.
He ordered the raid. It went wrong and he blames everyone else, but himself.
Par for the course. In what I do it is recognised that if you leave a job you will be blamed for anything that goes wrong for the next six months. In your new position you can do the same for the previous incumbent. After six months you are on your own without that backstop ?{)(** Eisenhower was behind the Bay of Pigs but Kennedy carried on with it, piss poor intel was the root of the problem there. There seems to be a common thread ...................Central Intelligence(?) Agency
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on February 02, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
This is just the beginning.
It will get a whole lot worse.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 03, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
Have you noticed the almost imperceptible change in Urdu hairdo? Who will the blunderbus be levelled at today? Will it be loaded for bear or possum? When will the democrats admit they lost? [ I could ask a similar question on another thread] Will Jock get to Snowy on time sorry got carried away there ?{)(** What ever you think of Trump will he ever look "in place" in the Oval Office?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Angelo222 on February 04, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
He's just banned various departments from issuing press releases about their findings concerning climate change.
There are two issues: why he's issued a gag order on that subject (or others), and why he serves gag orders on anyone who he deems not to be his best friend of the day when attempts are made to rectify his "alternative facts".
Yes, maybe because he, like others, don't trust their rehtoric about global warming/climate change, and wants to distance the government from being a collaborator in the said retoric.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on February 12, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
Yes, maybe because he, like others, don't trust their rehtoric about global warming/climate change, and wants to distance the government from being a collaborator in the said retoric.
I didn't think you were that naive.
I've seen 5 year old's with more scientific acumen than Trump.
He is an ignoramus.
Would you rather have Coal and Oil producers, pollute the environment freely ?
Perhaps you would like a coal mine dumping waste where you live.
Then again, how many Express stories are true. 8(*( 8(*( 8(*(
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on March 17, 2017, 01:50:03 PM
So the world will be a safer place under Trump as he's not a warmonger unlike Clinton who would plunge us all into WW3 at the drop of a hat?
Tillerson threatens military action against North Korea
“The policy of strategic patience has ended,” he said at a press conference with the South Korean foreign minister, Yun Byung-se. “We are exploring a new range of diplomatic, security, economic measures.
“All options are on the table. Certainly, we do not want for things to get to military conflict, we’re quite clear on that in our communications, but obviously if North Korea takes actions that threaten the South Korean forces or our own forces, then that would be met with an appropriate response.
“If they elevate the threat of their weapons programme to a level that we believe require action, then that option’s on the table.”
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: John on March 18, 2017, 12:23:04 AM
So the world will be a safer place under Trump as he's not a warmonger unlike Clinton who would plunge us all into WW3 at the drop of a hat?
Tillerson threatens military action against North Korea
“The policy of strategic patience has ended,” he said at a press conference with the South Korean foreign minister, Yun Byung-se. “We are exploring a new range of diplomatic, security, economic measures.
“All options are on the table. Certainly, we do not want for things to get to military conflict, we’re quite clear on that in our communications, but obviously if North Korea takes actions that threaten the South Korean forces or our own forces, then that would be met with an appropriate response.
“If they elevate the threat of their weapons programme to a level that we believe require action, then that option’s on the table.”
The North Korean leader is a little shit stirrer, the US should do whatever is necessary to ensure world stability.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 06:02:35 PM
Then again, how many Express stories are true. 8(*( 8(*( 8(*(
OMG Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I wonder how many people will give a dman about him when he dies... he won't go to hell because the Devil just couldn't handle to competition!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on April 03, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
"Speaking before his first meeting with President Xi this week, Mr Trump said that he was “totally” prepared to take unilateral action on the Korean peninsula to halt Kim Jong-un’s nuclear ambitions.
“If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will,” Mr Trump said. “China will either decide to help us with North Korea, or they won’t. And if they do, that will be very good for China, and if they don’t it won’t be good for anyone.”
I'm sure we're all sleeping easier in our beds now!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on April 07, 2017, 08:11:36 AM
So Trump has launched cruise missiles at Syria. I was led to believe by certain forum members that this wasn't the sort of thing we could come to expect from this dove of a man...?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 07, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
The Donald must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when this opportunity presented itself. He sure played a blinder unlike the previous incumbent.
I am running a book that says it will not start the third world war!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alfie on April 14, 2017, 01:59:38 PM
Could we really be on the brink of nuclear war so soon into the Trump administration? The Chinese seem to think so. If NK performs another nuclear weapons test tomorrow (their most auspicious anniversary) and Trump retaliates with conventional weapons strikes, it could all kick off rather badly.
Happy Easter everyone!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 14, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
Happy Easter to Job's Little Comforter.
My money is on Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping sorting out Kim Jong-un while Washington turns its collective backs to the stage to have a quiet pee up in a corner.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 16, 2017, 01:11:56 PM
My money is on Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping sorting out Kim Jong-un while Washington turns its collective backs to the stage to have a quiet pee up in a corner.
Wow that was something unexpected! first Syria, then Kabul and war ships to scare the gold rings off Kimbie. I can see those mexican climbing back over that wall to escape an all out attck on the USA by Kim. Oh he did shoot a damp squib at the sky as a mark of power... em.. um WW3 here we come. But important news is Victoria Becskam has made her daughter a business. AND she smiled once as well. ahh makes evrything seem so unreal.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 16, 2017, 06:24:18 PM
Wow that was something unexpected! first Syria, then Kabul and war ships to scare the gold rings off Kimbie. I can see those mexican climbing back over that wall to escape an all out attck on the USA by Kim. Oh he did shoot a damp squib at the sky as a mark of power... em.. um WW3 here we come. But important news is Victoria Becskam has made her daughter a business. AND she smiled once as well. ahh makes evrything seem so unreal.
The important news is that Elinor Barker and Katie Archibald are new world champions. Yee haaa.
Maybe The Third World War will start next week end when Kimbo has taped a new stick to his rocket.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on April 16, 2017, 06:28:01 PM
The important news is that Elinor Barker and Katie Archibald are new world champions. Yee haaa.
Maybe The Third World War will start next week end when Kimbo has taped a new stick to his rocket.
And has gas for his lighter... or matches to hand.
We do have to remember that the president is a figure head- puppet to the real peeps who actually run the country, so if 'they' say "go shoot" he grabs the gun...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2017, 08:37:26 AM
They spent years trying to 'cure' homosexuals, didn't they? The only reason 'they' did that was because 'they' saw it as a mental illness.
Homosexuality is quite different to gender dsyphoria.
Homosexuals know which sex they are, only their sexual preference is different.
Whereas changing gender is biologically impossible.
Endless hormone therapy & surgical procedures doesn't change a persons gender, their chromosomes remain the same, no matter what gets added or taken away.
Transgender people believe they are the opposite sex, & they are mistaken, just like anorexics who think they're fat.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: G-Unit on August 27, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
Homosexuality is quite different to gender dsyphoria.
Homosexuals know which sex they are, only their sexual preference is different.
Whereas changing gender is biologically impossible.
Endless hormone therapy & surgical procedures doesn't change a persons gender, their chromosomes remain the same, no matter what gets added or taken away.
Transgender people believe they are the opposite sex, & they are mistaken, just like anorexics who think they're fat.
The similarities lie in who does the deciding, diagnosing and curing. Both homosexuals and transgender people have existed historically before psychiatrists were invented. They were accepted or not. Among some native american tribes it was not unusual for biological women to be warriors and biological men to fill women's roles, so transgender individuals taking part in battles is not a new idea.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 27, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
The similarities lie in who does the deciding, diagnosing and curing. Both homosexuals and transgender people have existed historically before psychiatrists were invented. They were accepted or not. Among some native american tribes it was not unusual for biological women to be warriors and biological men to fill women's roles, so transgender individuals taking part in battles is not a new idea.
Trans people already do serve in the military, Obama lifted the ban (to win democrat votes) at the end of 2016 & a few thousand troops came out as being unsure which bathroom to pee in.
Serving trans troops won't be booted out. Just no more new admissions. Which is sensible.
If I do the hoovering & washing up, wear a dress & makeup while I do it, It won't make me a woman.
Nor if I have surgery, I'll still be a man, only, mutilated ....so I won't be able to do the housework for sometime after.....& I'll need to keep taking hormones & have counselling for the rest of my life.
Trans people have a high instance of mental health issues, depression, anxiety etc, both pre & post op.
The military isn't the place for bizarre & expensive liberal social experiment.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 27, 2017, 01:05:42 PM
No! it isn't but some in the NHS along with some legal eagles are trying to make it so.. This will enable paedophiles lean mental hospital sentences in stead of prison sentences!
And we are not short of paedophiles in ALL walks of life., including both afore mentioned.
Paedophilia is a sexual preference, like rape. would you class a rapist as a mental ill patient?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 27, 2017, 01:20:16 PM
Homosexuality is quite different to gender dsyphoria.
Homosexuals know which sex they are, only their sexual preference is different.
Whereas changing gender is biologically impossible.
Endless hormone therapy & surgical procedures doesn't change a persons gender, their chromosomes remain the same, no matter what gets added or taken away.
Transgender people believe they are the opposite sex, & they are mistaken, just like anorexics who think they're fat.
Just a couple of points on the post spammy,
I agree that the acute mental illness sufferer would not be a suitable candidate to join the military. They are tortured souls indeed. I also concur that homosexuality, although was and still is in some ignorant quarters seen as a mental illness. It really isn't and so homosexuals served their country in 'the closet so to speak'.
People who suffer from Atypical Anorexia do not think they are fat, this is also a self harm illness leading to death by starvation in many cases. This acute mental illness can lead to suicidal thoughts and therefore such would not be suitable for military service either.
This has nothing to do with discrimination it has to do with looking after the stressed military personnel who are placed in a war zone, they don't need added burdens. The military wouldn't employ a blind tank driver. All things have to be considered for the safety of the masses.
I have no personal issues with transgenders, and appreciate their condition is real to them and that must be torture to live like that.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: G-Unit on August 27, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
Not all transgender people cause problems. Some have served in secret in the Forces for years and done as good a job as their colleagues.
You can't group people together, they are individuals with different strengths and weaknesses. I'm a woman and joining the Armed Forces is my idea of hell, but other women love it. Judge people on their willingness and fitness to do the job I say.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 27, 2017, 03:15:46 PM
Not all transgender people cause problems. Some have served in secret in the Forces for years and done as good a job as their colleagues.
You can't group people together, they are individuals with different strengths and weaknesses. I'm a woman and joining the Armed Forces is my idea of hell, but other women love it. Judge people on their willingness and fitness to do the job I say.
I understand what you say G and in most instances agree as I hate discrimination of any kind- including positive discrimination.
However, we must now look at certain situations and deal with them. Bullying in the services is rampant- some people for various reasons kill themselves, due to underlying mental illness. Not all mental illness can be treated or cured, and it is one of the most difficult of illnesses to diagnose correctly.
In most recent times people who have gender dysmorphia can have other underlying serious issues. Gender re alignment and the medication required can cause a serious mental breakdown due to rejection of chemicals etc, this is unpredictable and this is where the issues lies.
It is not the first time a person has been cleared of suffering from depression to go on and kill themselves, a few days/weeks later.
People with serious mental health issues should not be cleared to join the military, and I can say We are becoming a cruel country when we have to start raiding hospitals and clinics to fill our military shortfall. Also, we can't all do jobs we want due to ill health and or disability.
watch the film- Full Metal Jacket...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: G-Unit on August 27, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
I understand what you say G and in most instances agree as I hate discrimination of any kind- including positive discrimination.
However, we must now look at certain situations and deal with them. Bullying in the services is rampant- some people for various reasons kill themselves, due to underlying mental illness. Not all mental illness can be treated or cured, and it is one of the most difficult of illnesses to diagnose correctly.
In most recent times people who have gender dysmorphia can have other underlying serious issues. Gender re alignment and the medication required can cause a serious mental breakdown due to rejection of chemicals etc, this is unpredictable and this is where the issues lies.
It is not the first time a person has been cleared of suffering from depression to go on and kill themselves, a few days/weeks later.
People with serious mental health issues should not be cleared to join the military, and I can say We are becoming a cruel country when we have to start raiding hospitals and clinics to fill our military shortfall. Also, we can't all do jobs we want due to ill health and or disability.
watch the film- Full Metal Jacket...
Not all trnsgender people have been in hospitals or clinics. How do you suggest they sniff them out?
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 29, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
Not all trnsgender people have been in hospitals or clinics. How do you suggest they sniff them out?
By asking! 8(0(* If there is any hint of this condition then it should be based on that. I would feel that non disclosure could be used as blackmail and this should be pointed out to ALL recruits.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 12, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 04, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
Why doesn't Sadiq Khan stick to his mayor's role rather than engaging in spats with Trump?
Khan said it was "un-British" to be rolling out the red carpet for a President "whose divisive behavior flies in the face of the ideals America was founded upon -- equality, liberty and religious freedom."
Trump was democratically elected by the American people as such he is entitled to the red carpet treatment. Many in this country might not share his views but he's not some crazed despot!
If we all had to agree which foreign dignitary received the red carpet we'd have no visitors!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 06, 2020, 08:40:26 PM
It was reported in another media that Trump has a figure of 80million on his head! (sorry can't find the cite for that)
Nah, Trump’s the dove, it was Clinton that was the hawk (or so we were reliably informed on this forum a few years back).
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 06, 2020, 08:56:40 PM
I'd be quite happy if Trump nuked the shit out of Iran, but he's only got until November to do it, by then he'll be out of a job & Creepy Joe Biden will be elected to bring peace to the middle east.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 06, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
I'd be quite happy if Trump nuked the shit out of Iran, but he's only got until November to do it, by then he'll be out of a job & Creepy Joe Biden will be elected to bring peace to the middle east.
And yet you seemed positively incandescent at the prospect of Clinton getting involved in another middle-eastern war a few years back. She was the big threat to world peace and Trump the safe pair of hands you reassured us. You lied!!
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 06, 2020, 09:29:26 PM
And yet you seemed positively incandescent at the prospect of Clinton getting involved in another middle-eastern war a few years back. She was the big threat to world peace and Trump the safe pair of hands you reassured us. You lied!!
His record up until now has been good, I'd venture that fewer American soldiers have died under his watch than that of any recent President, he's reduced troop numbers in Afghanistan, Syria & Iraq as well as attempted to make friends with North Korea (although that's now gone sour).
But anyway, I've changed my mind, I think an all out World War would be a good thing, if there weren't so many humans, that would solve the climate crisis.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 06, 2020, 10:13:10 PM
And yet you seemed positively incandescent at the prospect of Clinton getting involved in another middle-eastern war a few years back. She was the big threat to world peace and Trump the safe pair of hands you reassured us. You lied!!
That is a bit disingenuous.
Clinton's policy WAS/IS the biggest threat to the middle east. AND besides That family are a disgrace.
IMO the method used to kill that murderer was stupid. a quiet assassination would have gone down better. We don't know where he got his 'intelligence' from, I hope it wasn't that same taxi driver who told Bush about the WMD in Iraq.
AND interestingly the Saudis are in there somewhere...
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 07, 2020, 07:24:14 AM
Trump faces an election later this year and starting a war with Iran and causing untold death and destruction in the ME is apparently a vote winner in the US.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 17, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on April 15, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
He just can't help it....
Trump's name to appear on benefit cheques
As part of the US administration's economic response to the coronavirus outbreak, tens of millions of Americans are set to receive cheques worth $1,200 (around £945).
But according to US media, President Donald Trump's name will be printed on every single one.
The Washington Post, which first reported the news on Tuesday, says it is the first time that a US president's name has appeared on a cheque sent out by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
The newspaper said the decision could mean delays of a few days before recipients receive the cheques, although a senior official speaking to CNN denied this. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52289273
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Venturi Swirl on April 16, 2020, 06:27:25 PM
I watched some of his TV address last night and he is utterly mental, rambling on and on, non sequiturs all over the place, no logic to anything he was saying just lots of pompous self-aggrandising and endless slagging off of the Democrats. We may not agree with our own government leaders but at least they can string a coherent sentence together (apart from Priti Patel).
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Carana on May 15, 2020, 06:23:23 PM
I watched some of his TV address last night and he is utterly mental, rambling on and on, non sequiturs all over the place, no logic to anything he was saying just lots of pompous self-aggrandising and endless slagging off of the Democrats. We may not agree with our own government leaders but at least they can string a coherent sentence together (apart from Priti Patel).
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxDKW75ueIU
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Myster on May 15, 2020, 06:43:29 PM
At the end of the day, we all know Trump won the election, & if he was black it would be racist to say he didn't.
Says Spammy who claims to know everything despite the complete absence of any evidence whatsoever to back up any of his wild claims. Anyone can play that game. We all know Remain won the referendum. We all know Corbyn beat Boris at the polls. We all know the moon is made of cheese and the earth is flat. Say them often enough to stupid people and they will believe it.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 15, 2021, 06:21:09 PM
Says Spammy who claims to know everything despite the complete absence of any evidence whatsoever to back up any of his wild claims. Anyone can play that game. We all know Remain won the referendum. We all know Corbyn beat Boris at the polls. We all know the moon is made of cheese and the earth is flat. Say them often enough to stupid people and they will believe it.
There is plenty of evidence the election was rigged, take for instance the fact that Youtube have removed all videos claiming the election was rigged, that should set alarm bells ringing.
They did exactly the same thing with all the videos that proved nobody died at Sandy Hook.
Title: Re: Arise President Trump!
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 18, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
There is plenty of evidence the election was rigged, take for instance the fact that Youtube have removed all videos claiming the election was rigged, that should set alarm bells ringing.
They did exactly the same thing with all the videos that proved nobody died at Sandy Hook.