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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #240 on: April 09, 2019, 12:41:32 PM »
As might be expected Alan Farthing was a suspect in the early stages of the investigation but was quickly eliminated.

Anyway I found the following article which states all Ms Dando's former lovers were traced and interviewed.

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dando-verdict-lines-of-investigation-ranged-from-serb-hitmen-to-jealous-lovers-9148193.html

Seems you are playing catch up

In the early stages of the murder investigation, a lot of attention – at least in media terms – fell on men who had been romantically linked to Ms Dando.

The murder investigation provided a good excuse for those kinds of stories about a celebrity’s love life, but no credible evidence has ever emerged to suggest that anyone romantically linked to Ms Dando had anything to do with the murder
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jill-dando-murder-theories-what-happened-who-barry-george-bbc-documentary-a8851491.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003w40/the-murder-of-jill-dando

@ 38.42

Barry George lived locally “within the scene, almost.”

The search of Barry George’s residents “revealed some circumstantial connections to the crime scene.”

and so it goes on......

He lied to police during questioning claiming he did not know Miss Jill Dando yet the day after her murder he “laid flowers near the spot where she was shot”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jun/10/ukcrime

“Barry George told staff at a local help centre that he went to Dando's house in Fulham, west London, the day after she was killed, jurors were told on the second day of his retrial.

The prosecution alleged that George, 48, who suffers from psychological problems and epilepsy, visited the Hammersmith and Fulham disability centre on the day of Dando's death, on April 26 1999, to establish a false alibi.

An appointment with the centre was made for the next day but not kept. The prosecuting counsel, Jonathan Laidlaw QC, said that on April 28 George returned but was "threatening and intimidating in his manner".

"The defendant said he had not kept his appointment of the previous day because he had been laying flowers at Jill Dando's house on behalf of his church," he said.

Laidlaw said that, also on April 28, George had told a journalist his name was Barry Bulsara, a persona the jury has been told he used when passing himself off as the cousin of the Queen singer Freddie Mercury.

George told the reporter he used to see Dando on Crimewatch and "she seemed a lovely lady".

During the week after her death, he went into the local housing department and asked whether they had considered erecting a memorial to Dando, the court heard.

"He also visited a number of nearby shops and sought letters of condolence from them," said Laidlaw.

When he was arrested a year later, George was said to have denied knowing who Dando was until after her death.

"If he had not known anything about Jill Dando before her death, why was he paying so much attention to her memory?" said Laidlaw.

On May 9 1999, George was on a bus when he told a fellow passenger, Vicky Murphy, that he was going to be late for Dando's memorial service, the court heard.

Laidlaw said George "was fiddling with a piece of paper which he claimed he was going to read from at the service".

"He said he did not know Miss Dando well, but that she had interviewed his cousin Freddie Mercury," said the prosecutor.


« Last Edit: April 09, 2019, 01:06:39 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2019, 01:17:28 PM »
As Jill's cousin said in the docu for this to have happened all the stars would need to align. 

The statistical chances of an opportunist stalker happening upon Jill at her home address when her movements were random and unknown who just happened to have a loaded firearm on his/her person would imo be so statistically unlikely I would rule it out. 

She had not mentioned to anyone about being stalked.

During the documentary Miss Dando’s cousins comments regarding the murder/Barry George came across as naive, IMO.

Her first comment after stating “the stars would have had to be aligned” was that George “would have had to be seen walking around with a gun?”

Her use of the word “contrived” appears to have been her unconscious psychological proejection. It’s unrealistic to believe the murderer would have had to be seen carrying a gun, is one example.

« Last Edit: April 09, 2019, 02:16:54 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #242 on: April 11, 2019, 02:10:31 PM »
As might be expected Alan Farthing was a suspect in the early stages of the investigation but was quickly eliminated.

Anyway I found the following article which states all Ms Dando's former lovers were traced and interviewed.  Also Alan Farthing's patients were investigated as some had apparently developed a strong attachment to him.  But one by one they were eliminated.  However I still can't find any evidence that Alan Farthing's former wife, Maria, was interviewed/investigated and eliminated and/or any other women he may have had relationships with or were not patients but had some unhealthy interest in him.  Maybe Maria Farthing was interviewed/investigated and eliminated like the others.  Maybe she ended the marriage.  Maybe she was in a relationship with a.n other at the time and happy.  But maybe, just maybe, she was an aggrieved former wife who could not stand the thought of her former husband getting engaged and marrying Jill Dando.

 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dando-verdict-lines-of-investigation-ranged-from-serb-hitmen-to-jealous-lovers-9148193.html

Timeline:

- 1990 - Alan Farthing married Maria
- 1997 Dec - Alan Farthing is introduced to Jill Dando.  He was separated from his wife at the time.
- 1998 late - Alan and Maria Farthing divorce
- 1999 Feb - Alan Farthing and Jill Dando announce their engagement
- 1999 Apr - Jill Dando murdered
- 2000 Oct - Alan Farthing meets actress Helen Hobson at Cliff Richard's 60th Birthday and the pair start a relationship
- 2003 - Alan Farthing meets Dr Janet Stowell
- 2008 - Alan Farthing and Dr Janet Stowell marry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/414562.stm

I would imagine if your marriage ends when you don't want it to and you then find your former husband is engaged to marry a high profile tv personality it would only compound the situation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=hello+magazine+ok+magazine+jill+dando&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH0OvPgsjhAhWASBUIHUBLDH4QsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=1680&bih=939#imgrc=TG_m9a2Al-iR8M:

It doesn't appear Alan and Maria Farthing's 7 year marriage produced any children.  Maybe there were some infertility problems too. 

In the recently produced BBC docu, Jill's cousin asks why would anyone want to murder Jill?!  The above MIGHT be a motive!

The fact Alan Farthing refers to the break-up of his marriage as "painful" suggests it wasn't a case that the couple had simply grown apart and agreed to part amicably.  If this was the case then what was "painful"?

There are numerous possibilities:

[Edited in accordance with forum rules]

The name Maria is common in southern Europe.  Many witnesses described a man of Mediterranean appearance.  Mediterranean countries where Catholic religion dominates often see marriage as sacrosanct.  Divorce only became legal in Italy during 1970.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 01:54:57 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #243 on: April 11, 2019, 09:43:51 PM »
The following shows an image of Jill's car taken away.  I assume for forensic examination.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-five-unanswered-7764700

Did the examination include searching for any tracking device?  Or it did it only involve looking for any evidence linking the perp to the vehicle?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #244 on: April 12, 2019, 12:24:18 AM »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #245 on: April 12, 2019, 08:49:36 AM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10643.msg520261#msg520261

The newspaper article you have quoted is dated 28th Apr 99 ie 2 days after the murder.  It is unlikely at this stage the post-mortem and ballistics evidence was available to police let alone reporters.  You can look at any number of these cases and find early media reports containing numerous inaccuracies. 

A silencer was not used.  The officer who led the investigation, Hamish Campbell, explains how this conclusion was reached in a BBC documentary first aired this month ie nearly 20 years after the murder:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003w40/the-murder-of-jill-dando
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #246 on: April 12, 2019, 08:58:33 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/414562.stm

I would imagine if your marriage ends when you don't want it to and you then find your former husband is engaged to marry a high profile tv personality it would only compound the situation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=hello+magazine+ok+magazine+jill+dando&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH0OvPgsjhAhWASBUIHUBLDH4QsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=1680&bih=939#imgrc=TG_m9a2Al-iR8M:

It doesn't appear Alan and Maria Farthing's 7 year marriage produced any children.  Maybe there were some infertility problems too. 

In the recently produced BBC docu, Jill's cousin asks why would anyone want to murder Jill?!  The above MIGHT be a motive!

The fact Alan Farthing refers to the break-up of his marriage as "painful" suggests it wasn't a case that the couple had simply grown apart and agreed to part amicably.  If this was the case then what was "painful"?

There are numerous possibilities:

[Edited in accordance with forum rules]

The name Maria is common in southern Europe.  Many witnesses described a man of Mediterranean appearance.  Mediterranean countries where Catholic religion dominates often see marriage as sacrosanct.  Divorce only became legal in Italy during 1970.

I found a press article which quotes Maria's mother, Mrs Sweeney.  Sweeney is an Irish/Scottish surname.  It seems the Sweeney family was in Chiswick at the time of the murder; same place as Alan Farthing's home where Jill spent her last night.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/ALAN%27S+AGONY%3B+Grief+of+Jill+Dando%27s+fiance+on+the+day+she+was+to+try...-a060386261
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 01:55:26 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #247 on: April 12, 2019, 01:14:25 PM »
A silencer was not used.  The officer who led the investigation, Hamish Campbell, explains how this conclusion was reached in a BBC documentary first aired this month ie nearly 20 years after the murder:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003w40/the-murder-of-jill-dando

Hamish Campbell does not claim 20 years after the murder that a women was responsible for the murder?

I take it you are aware of what he said in the documentary about the actual perpetrator of the crime?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #248 on: April 12, 2019, 01:16:39 PM »
I found a press article which quotes Maria's mother, Mrs Sweeney.  Sweeney is an Irish/Scottish surname.  It seems the Sweeney family was in Chiswick at the time of the murder; same place as Alan Farthing's home where Jill spent her last night.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/ALAN%27S+AGONY%3B+Grief+of+Jill+Dando%27s+fiance+on+the+day+she+was+to+try...-a060386261

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #249 on: April 12, 2019, 01:22:18 PM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #250 on: April 12, 2019, 01:32:50 PM »
The following shows an image of Jill's car taken away.  I assume for forensic examination.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-five-unanswered-7764700

Did the examination include searching for any tracking device? Or it did it only involve looking for any evidence linking the perp to the vehicle?

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts about whether or not a search was carried out on the car for a tracking device and also, if one were found, do you think forensics would have linked it to the perp?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #251 on: April 12, 2019, 01:35:31 PM »
The following shows an image of Jill's car taken away.  I assume for forensic examination.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-five-unanswered-7764700

Did the examination include searching for any tracking device?  Or it did it only involve looking for any evidence linking the perp to the vehicle?

Not to a local car wash then?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #252 on: April 13, 2019, 09:03:05 PM »
13 Apr 2019

“The investigation into BBC presenter Jill Dando’s murder was ‘hampered’ by the police’s ‘scattergun approach’, former co-host Nick Ross has claimed. Miss Dando, 37, then one of the BBC’s highest-profile stars, died after being shot once in the head outside her London home on April 26, 1999. Mr Ross claimed investigators had the ‘foolish’ view her killing was linked to her role on Crimewatch

He told the Daily Mirror: ‘The thing is, and not so much the fault of the senior investigating officer, but top brass, they had this intuitive and, we thought, rather foolish view, it would be to do with Crimewatch.

.......The investigation into the 37-year-old's murder remains opens and Met Police say they will investigate any new information that becomes available

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/13/nick-ross-says-jill-dando-murder-investigation-was-hampered-by-foolish-police-9195793/?ito=cbshare
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #253 on: April 13, 2019, 09:12:44 PM »
“The former Crimewatch host, 71, believed Metropolitan Police officers focused on the wrong lines of enquiry after the presenter was killed.

Jill, 37, was brutally shot dead outside her home in Fulham, London, in April 1999.

Following her murder, officers linked her death to her work on the show as a possible motive for her murder.

Nick said pursuing that line of enquiry was “foolish” before adding it was rare that criminals targeted people involved in justice.

He told The Daily Mirror: “The thing is, and not so much the fault of the senior investigating officer, but top brass, they had this intuitive and, we thought, rather foolish view, it would be to do with Crimewatch.

“And we knew it would not be to do with Crimewatch. In modern times, there has never been a judge attacked for sending someone down, a prosecuting solicitor, or anybody.”

Focus also centred a Range Rover that had been spotted on CCTV near to where Jill had been killed.

Nick added: “Already it was clear that this had such big publicity, the risk was they would get swamped with literally thousands of lines of enquiry.”

It later finished with more than 7,000 lines of enquiry, according to Nick.

While Nick said it would be ridiculous to claim he and the team would know as much about crime as officers, he added the group’s experience of investigating would lead them to follow different lines.

He continued: “We did understand a lot and certainly the editor and I, we would have done it very differently.”

Barry George, 58, was convicted of Jill’s murder in 2001 but was released on appeal in 2008 when the case was quashed.

The Metropolitan Police told Daily Star Online: “The investigation into Ms Dando’s murder remains open, therefore we cannot comment in any detail other than to say we will always explore any new information which may become available.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/771869/jill-dando-murder-nick-ross-crimewatch-fulham-london-barry-george-conviction-quashed
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #254 on: April 13, 2019, 09:20:46 PM »
“Jill's former co-host Nick Ross, 71, has blasted police for what he feels was a "scattergun" approach, and for a line of enquiry he believes was "foolish"

Nick Ross claims police in the Jill Dando murder case made blunders that could have hindered the probe.

The ex-Crimewatch co-host said their TV appeals focused on the wrong lines of enquiry.

He added: “We would have done things differently.”

The 71-year-old accused police hunting Jill Dando’s killer of ­a “scattergun” approach to their Crimewatch appeals and claimed they focused on the wrong lines of enquiry.

After the TV presenter was shot dead outside her home 20 years ago, ­detectives singled out her work on the show that Nick co-hosted as a possible motive for the killing.

But Nick branded the idea “foolish” and insisted criminals rarely targeted those trying to bring them to justice.

He also claimed police were wrong to focus on a mystery Range Rover spotted on CCTV near where Jill, 37, was gunned down in West London on April 26, 1999 – a move that swamped Crimewatch staff with calls and which he fears may have hindered the murder investigation.

On the theory that her death was linked to the show, 71-year-old Nick said: “The thing is, and not so much the fault of the senior investigating officer, but top brass, they had this ­intuitive and, we thought, rather foolish view, it would be to do with Crimewatch.

And we knew it would not be to do with Crimewatch. In modern times, there has never been a judge attacked for sending someone down, a ­prosecuting solicitor, or anybody.

“It’s just not the way it happens here.

“And when I contacted colleagues in the States, it was as rare as hen’s teeth there.

“The only thing that would have made sense is if you were dealing with a criminal who was not rational about it.

“A lot of the appeals could be ­frustrating when police had this scattergun approach.”

On the Met’s insistence on leading Jill’s appeals with the Range Rover footage, Nick added: “It was difficult because we had to rely on the way the police wanted to structure it.

“All of us who had spent years on Crimewatch and it may sound absurd to say we know as much about crime as the police, but some of us had been investigating, in a way, longer than some of the detectives.

“We did understand a lot and certainly the editor and I, we would have done it very differently.

“Police were still very much going for witnesses to a Range Rover.

“The Range Rover had in those days a particular association with ­criminality. But they were looking for a bunch of stuff which was just likely to get a lot of people calling in, but that wasn’t very focused.

“Already it was clear that this had such big publicity, the risk was they would get swamped with literally thousands of lines of enquiry.

“Which is exactly what happened, they finished up with over 7,000 lines of enquiry.”

Nick, who fronted ­Crimewatch for 23 years, insisted a more focused appeal into his friend’s murder could have been beneficial to the investigation

He pointed to the ones after the murder of James Bulger, two, in 1993.

Nick said a forensic ­psychologist told him children who had killed cats always lived within 200 yards of where the animal was found.

Crimewatch then drew ­concentric rings around where James’ body was found to narrow down the search area.

The show helped solve the crime after viewers recognised the toddler’s two 10-year-old killers leading him to his death in Liverpool on CCTV.

Nick added: “It always fascinates me. Why we have this thing that ­detectives have to be police officers? You don’t need to be a warranted officer and have the powers of arrest to investigate a crime.”

Barry George, 58, was arrested a year after Jill’s death, convicted of her murder and jailed in 2001. But he was released on appeal in 2008 when the case was quashed.

Nick said he pre-recorded the opening of the first Crimewatch show after her killing, such was the struggle to present it.

He added: “It was really difficult, the only time I ever pre-recorded the ­introduction to ­Crimewatch.

“I just really liked her and so it was very ­difficult. I was on ­Newsnight the night of the murder, trying to calm down.

“When there’s an unsolved crime police, and we journalists tend to say, it’s professional, it’s complicated, and so often it isn’t.

“On Newsnight I remember trying to calm the speculation it was some kind of CIA equivalent. When actually almost all crime turns out to be much more sordid and low grade.”

Nick helped bring Jill to ­Crimewatch having been impressed with her on other programmes.

He remembered his old friend as an ­“incredibly skilled” ­journalist and added: “When people die those around them just say nice things about them and suppress the less pleasant bits.

“The truth is, nobody can think of anything bad to say about her.

“She was just such a generous-hearted, nice, unaffected person. The first time I saw her on TV, I saw this unaffected authority. She was so natural.

“Why I was so keen she should join us on Crimewatch is when she was speaking to the camera you genuinely felt she was speaking to you.

“She really was a star, the biggest on British TV, and yet it didn’t affect her at all. It didn’t matter if you were sweeping the floor or you were the editor of the programme, you were just a colleague.

“She was one of the lads, one of the girls, one of the crew.”

The Met police said: “The ­investigation into Ms Dando’s murder remains open, therefore we cannot comment in any detail other than to say we will always explore any new ­information which may become available.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-murder-police-made-14305108
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