Author Topic: Goncalo Amaral.  (Read 408263 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1920 on: July 22, 2020, 01:18:23 AM »

Offline John

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1921 on: July 22, 2020, 02:29:16 AM »
What both you and John fail to understand is that it was the FSS that developed LCN DNA. Without the FSS who you...John and others want to unfairly criticise there would have been no DNA to analyse...

thats NO DNA....LOL


The so called unfit for purpose FSS also developed Familial DNA....do a bit of research and find out how useful that has been



The familial searching service offered to the police by several UK forensic science providers exploits the size and geographic coverage of the NDNAD and the fact that close relatives of an offender may share a significant proportion of that offender's DNA profile and will often reside in close geographic proximity to him or her. Between 2002 and 2011 Forensic Science Service Ltd. (FSS) provided familial search services to support 188 police investigations, 70 of which are still active cases. This technique, which may be used in serious crime cases or in ‘cold case’ reviews when there are few or no investigative leads, has led to the identification of 41 perpetrators or suspects.

Exactly and later shown to be flawed in the cases of the Birmingham 6 and Barry George.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1922 on: July 22, 2020, 07:08:10 AM »
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1923 on: July 22, 2020, 09:00:22 AM »
Exactly and later shown to be flawed in the cases of the Birmingham 6 and Barry George.

Just a very  clumsy attempt to rubbish a very competent organisation because it didn't find evidence against the McCanns....par for the course

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1924 on: July 22, 2020, 09:01:17 AM »
What both you and John fail to understand is that it was the FSS that developed LCN DNA. Without the FSS who you...John and others want to unfairly criticise there would have been no DNA to analyse...

thats NO DNA....LOL


The so called unfit for purpose FSS also developed Familial DNA....do a bit of research and find out how useful that has been



The familial searching service offered to the police by several UK forensic science providers exploits the size and geographic coverage of the NDNAD and the fact that close relatives of an offender may share a significant proportion of that offender's DNA profile and will often reside in close geographic proximity to him or her. Between 2002 and 2011 Forensic Science Service Ltd. (FSS) provided familial search services to support 188 police investigations, 70 of which are still active cases. This technique, which may be used in serious crime cases or in ‘cold case’ reviews when there are few or no investigative leads, has led to the identification of 41 perpetrators or suspects.

The police wanted an efficient reasonably priced service which the FSS was failing to supply. Sentiment wasn't going to keep them using the FSS, whatever they invented.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1925 on: July 22, 2020, 09:06:21 AM »
The police wanted an efficient reasonably priced service which the FSS was failing to supply. Sentiment wasn't going to keep them using the FSS, whatever they invented.
The FSS closed for financial reasons...do some research. The labs that took on their work subsequently have all had problems with errors. It's not an exact science. All the DNA from Portugal was LCN. Without the FSS there would not have been any analysis

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1926 on: July 22, 2020, 09:08:25 AM »
Just a very  clumsy attempt to rubbish a very competent organisation because it didn't find evidence against the McCanns....par for the course

Just pointing out the facts, Davel.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1927 on: July 22, 2020, 09:21:54 AM »
Just pointing out the facts, Davel.
5  The decision to close the FSS

208.  The announcement made in December 2010 that the Forensic Science Service (FSS) was to be wound down by March 2012 was a culmination of developments and decisions taken over the past two decades. The common view appears to be that that neither the current nor previous Governments handled the FSS's situation particularly well. For example, the Centre for Forensic Investigation, Teesside University, stated that "the move into the commercial market in the early 90's found the FSS lacking and it never really adapted or was allowed to adapt its business adequately to survive".[287] In addition, we have been mindful throughout this report that the majority of the decisions that we have criticised relating to the FSS's status and restructuring, the forensics market, police in-sourcing and forensic procurement strategy were made under the previous administration. We must state our disappointment at the historical inadequacies in government decision-making that brought the FSS to its current dire financial situation. While we have been critical of the current Government's actions, it must be put on record that we consider much of the responsibility for the current problems facing the FSS to lie with previous administrations. The changes made to the FSS since it became an Executive Agency in 1991, coupled with a subsequent lack of Government understanding of the nature of the growing forensics market, meant that problems inevitably arose. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmsctech/855/85508.htm


Perhaps it would be worth your while familiarising yourself with the facts then ... a good starting point might be as detailed above.

In my opinion the fact was not the failure of the FSS.  It was the failure of Government.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1928 on: July 22, 2020, 09:30:42 AM »
Just pointing out the facts, Davel.

no you are not...the FSS was not closed because of its incompetence...no FSS no DNA analysis...those are the facts.
Sceptics want to rubbish any one who supports the McCanns innocence...SY....the FSS...The Germans.

The real incompetence comes from the amaral and the PJ who thought the alerts and DNA proved maddie died in the apartment and took the investigation in the wrong direction.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1929 on: July 22, 2020, 09:41:37 AM »
The defunct UK Forensic Science Service was very much unfit for purpose and their dismantling evidenced this.

I think that is  a totally innaccurate and unfair statement. The FSS was a massive organisation ...not as big but like the NHS. Just because mistakes are made in the NHS does not mean its unfit for purpose. its just a matter of sour grapes imo because they didnt come up with what the portuguese wanted.

Offline barrier

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1930 on: July 22, 2020, 09:45:15 AM »
I think that is  a totally innaccurate and unfair statement. The FSS was a massive organisation ...not as big but like the NHS. Just because mistakes are made in the NHS does not mean its unfit for purpose. its just a matter of sour grapes imo because they didnt come up with what the portuguese wanted.

So the FSS made mistakes but not in this case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1931 on: July 22, 2020, 09:48:18 AM »
So the FSS made mistakes but not in this case.

Correct...and every large organisation makes mistakes...doesnt make them unfit for purpose....and wasnt the reason they closed.... the organisations that took over from teh FSS also made mistakes. Without the FSS none of the DNA from portugal could have been analysed

Offline jassi

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1932 on: July 22, 2020, 09:51:48 AM »
So the FSS made mistakes but not in this case.

I don't think one can say that, unless their work has been scrutinised by other competent  bodies.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline barrier

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1933 on: July 22, 2020, 09:52:59 AM »
Correct...and every large organisation makes mistakes...doesnt make them unfit for purpose....and wasnt the reason they closed.... the organisations that took over from teh FSS also made mistakes. Without the FSS none of the DNA from portugal could have been analysed

None of it links to the German suspect.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1934 on: July 22, 2020, 09:53:59 AM »
None of it links to the German suspect.

might have done if the not fit for purpose PJ had kept the bedsheets