Is he British?
The card with his photograph says 'Merry Christmas'
http://www.jn.pt/paginainicial/pais/concelho.aspx?Distrito=Funchal&Concelho=Calheta&Option=Interior&content_id=3640985&page=-1
Google translate
Authorities seek missing 18-month Madeira
The search to find Daniel , the baby of 18 months which disappeared Sunday afternoon , in the parish of Calheta in the west of Madeira , were resumed on Monday - morning .
Family to the authorities , this Monday morning returned to look for Daniel was all very fast , he said. The crainça year and a half disappeared Sunday afternoon during a get-together at home godparents .
" He was standing next to me and suddenly walked into the street . Told my husband to go back. When we reached the yard no longer saw him ," said his mother , Lydia Gill , quoted by DN.
" A child of one and half a baby can not escape," says the mother .
Authorities resumed this Monday morning , searches to find Daniel , after having discontinued operations by 22:10 pm on Sunday .
" All the means are already on the ground ," told the commander of the Volunteer Firemen of Calheta.
John Joy advanced that are involved in this operation elements of the firemen , the Public Security Police ( PSP ) , Judicial Police ( PJ ) and a team of canine Republican National Guard ( GNR ) , for a total of 16 elements .
"We will focus the search in the same area we were Sunday and possibly extend the perimeter , but no new data ," he said .
They stopped searching for the baby boy (totally Portuguese) this morning and are interviewing all the family (the disappearance happened at the godfather's).
It seems they've learnt the cost of respecting the despair of the parents.
They stopped searching for the baby boy (totally Portuguese) this morning and are interviewing all the family (the disappearance happened at the godfather's).
It seems they've learnt the cost of respecting the despair of the parents.
What do you mean by that?Don't you know ?
His mother's name seems to be Lídia Gonçalves.Perhaps a car accident.
It sound like a family had a weekend meal together and the toddler disappeared out of view for a short time. An accident nearby? Could someone have taken him?
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They didn't give the results they got with the dogs. Secrecy !
Is he British?Here in Portugal there's no tradition of sending cards of "bom natal". Therefore "merry christmas" ones are on sale.
The card with his photograph says 'Merry Christmas'
Here in Portugal there's no tradition of sending cards of "bom natal". Therefore "merry christmas" ones are on sale.
This little boy is neither British nor was abducted from bed. No help.
According to this, police viewing parents as suspects....sorry, cant do google translate
http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/161956/pais-de-bebe-desaparecido-tornam-se-principais-suspeitos#.Ut6y3GuQGSN
also another article and video from yesterday
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/pj-admite-rapto-de-crianca-na%20madeira-mas-nao-exclui-outros-cenarios-1620429
Interesting that it says at the bottom of the second article that, according to the PJ, eight children are currently missing in Portugal. That's a lot of children from a small country isn't it?I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here
I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here
Interesting that it says at the bottom of the second article that, according to the PJ, eight children are currently missing in Portugal. That's a lot of children from a small country isn't it?Among those 8 most "are" already adults, as you may see on the PJ page dedicated to missing people.
I didn't realise so many were missing in the UK...that's a terrifying number..eight sounded bad enough to me!
I dont know what the article says but 8 kids in a population of 10 million is not large, its far fewer than the uk eg, less than half, in a population of 65 million 200 missing, and dont understand what point youre making here200 per year ?
Eta MUCH less than half
200 per year ?
Every Five Minutes. A Review of the Available Data on. Missing Children in the UK.
http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf (http://www.gpdg.co.uk/pact_old/pdf/E5M.pdf)
I just looked previously atIt happens in many charities, not only this particular one.. Donators don't mind... They donate to donate... taking it off their income revenue.
http://missingkids.co.uk/
Current missing
PACT? No comment!! has dirty name now..as do a few so called charities...
The dogs lose the trail of the baby at the house door, as if he didn't go outside, at least walking.
A neighbour heard clearly a car stop for a little while, but the baby's mother said she heard nothing.
The parents are very young and have no job.
I wonder.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21 (http://expresso.sapo.pt/pais-de-crianca-desaparecida-na-madeira-regressam-a-casa=f851621?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2014-01-21)
Bungled in a car then? Or not....hope the little mite is foundThey say it's a calm street, not much traffic.
They say it's a calm street, not much traffic.
They're analysing the CCTV of a close by house owned by immigrants in the UK, it seems the camera spots a part of the street.
I wonder.
Not an abduction, no. The coincidence of the baby alone outside the door and a car of to be adopters passing by is null.
Do you mean abductors?I mean somebody with a terrible desire of a child.
yes null..I agree
I mean somebody with a terrible desire of a child.
18 months, he wouldn't scream if the person is very soft and caring.
I find it very hard to believe that a toddler who could barely walk could travel a distance of 2 Km.
Could someone have lifted him and then had second thoughts about what they had done?
The PJ haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, have they.
I don't know how seriously this was taken.What do you mean ?
Who knows ?
The case isn't resolved yet. The fact that the child has been found merely raises more questions.
What do you mean ?
The complex irrigation system in Madeira has to be checked at regular times. The checker heard a crying at 4am. The little boy was wet and a bit cold.
The information seems confused at the moment.The information came from an official site. The toddler was first brought to a Health Center.
According to this, he was found by the guy at 8.30 am.
A criança foi encontrada numa levada – um canal construído para conduzir água –, a cerca de dois quilómetros de casa, por um funcionário da represa de água, na Calheta, Madeira, por volta das 8h30 e não corre perigo de vida.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/bebe-da-madeira-encontrado-com-vida095428070
Which would make more sense if he was admitted in A&E at 9.30.
"A criança acabou de dar entrada (09h30) nas Urgências, aparentemente está bem, com sintomas de hipotermia, e está a ser avaliado pelos médicos da Pediatria", adiantou fonte da unidade de saúde.
The information came from an official site. The toddler was first brought to a Health Center.
Then the mother arrived and they were taken to the Hospital.
Temperature = 35 C, very slight hypothermy
The PJ haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, have they.
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There's always one: Just rejoice at that news 8((()*/
I'm amazed and very happy that this little boy has been found alive. Whatever happened, the main thing is that he's ok.
I'm amazed and very happy that this little boy has been found alive. Whatever happened, the main thing is that he's ok.Let's hope his parents are as well. No job and a request to the SS for alimonies.
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There's always one: Just rejoice at that news 8((()*/
I'm aware of that. The question is when the canal worker found him. At 3 am? 4 am? Or at 8.30 am? The news is confusing. I find it more logical that he'd found the baby at 8.30 and he was admitted to the health centre by 9.30.Does it matter ? The doctor finds it hard to believe the baby (in good shape, just a bit hungry) resisted for so long with a night temperature under 10C.
You think The PJ did a good job, do you? That baby could have died while they were trying to blame the parents.
All over Europe on discussion boards they may well be saying "those Scottish police aren't very good are they?", but is that fair? We only get 1% of the story from reading papers, be those papers in Scotland, England or Portugal.
PJ are crap all the time for some peopleHow many police forces lose their time investigating psychics' visions, suspects' dreams and other hair crooks' inventions ?
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How many countries require one to have a degree before applying? To work for CID
Let's hope his parents are as well. No job and a request to the SS for alimonies.
Alimony? Had a previous marriage broken down?I mean a monthly money contribution.
PJ are crap all the time for some people
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How many countries require one to have a degree before applying? To work for CID
I mean a monthly money contribution.
They most likely had no regular job before being jobless, otherwise they would be entitled to welfare.
depends on the standard of the degree...
How many police forces lose their time investigating psychics' visions, suspects' dreams and other hair crooks' inventions ?
Ok. So you mean unemployment benefit, as opposed to alimony.No, I didn't say that. When people are in a precarious situation they have the right to request a financial help from the SS. The situation is analysed and, if justified, a pension or allimony is paid. Nothing to do with unemployment department : to get money from there, you must have lost your job.
To join the UK police, you don't seem to need any formal qualifications at all.
I found that surprising as I thought some decent GCSE' would have been the minimum.
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oh dear
I guess a degree is slightly better overall
I would think so, but perhaps goes to explain Redwood's progress. I wonder what his qualifications are ?
No idea but he is not the one doing the work, dosnt matter too much but my original comment referred to accusations of members of the PJ being incompetent fkwits...which is a bit stupidCommon sense is the most fairly distributed thing in the world, for each one thinks he is so well-endowed with it that even those who are hardest to satisfy in all other matters are not in the habit of desiring more of it than they already have.
Presumably placed there recently. Question is who? Stranger or not?
Well it won't have been one of the family, will it.
Well it won't have been one of the family, will it.
Certainly could be - perhaps someone with a grudge. We simply don't know, so should not discard any possibility.
Oh My God. You really are desperate.
No, I didn't say that. When people are in a precarious situation they have the right to request a financial help from the SS. The situation is analysed and, if justified, a pension or allimony is paid. Nothing to do with unemployment department : to get money from there, you must have lost your job.
Perhaps they did get a small amount of money to survive. The economy in Madeira doesn't seem that great at the moment, so that could apply to lots of people.Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
It still doesn't explain how the toddler was found 2 kms or more away.
We'll see, I suppose. Perhaps the entire family was "innit" or a stranger was.
The main thing is that he's ok.
Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
A baby is fine if his parents are fine.
This baby will likely be considered miraculous and get special attention.
Why don't you read, Carana ? They made a request, nothing has yet be granted.
A baby is fine if his parents are fine.
This baby will likely be considered miraculous and get special attention.
I am trying to read, Anne.There's also before 8am ... I haven't seen 3am. The searches stopped on Monday afternoon. I think the police understood that the story wasn't well told.. But volunteers went on searching.
I've read that he was found at either 3 am, 4 am, or at 8.30 am. That the searches stopped on Monday, that they didn't....
There's also before 8am ... I haven't seen 3am. The searches stopped on Monday afternoon. I think the police understood that the story wasn't well told.. But volunteers went on searching.
Anne, I think that the expression of "a story not well told" would translate as "the story was fishy".Mikaeel could hardly be thought walking miles on his own, but he had his boots and hood on and it wasn't impossible.
But there was still a baby boy who hadn't been found - dead or alive, in cold weather. Why did the official search stop (if the reports are correct)? Why did the searches stop during the night? Didn't they have torches? The PJ could have ordered the search to continue while interrogating the family; one avenue of enquiry doesn't exclude the other, surely?
Mikaeel could hardly be thought walking miles on his own, but he had his boots and hood on and it wasn't impossible.
But this 18 months had just started to walk, the ground is steep and wild, they looked in holes and drains and pools in a 2 km circle, they searched during the night and then decided it was vain. With a certain reason. Why not look on the other side of the island ?
Let's wait and see who put that baby near a frequented path..
They said his nappies were dirty. How much dirty I wonder.
!A screaming without stopping baby ?
Thank goodness this little boy has been found.
Perhaps it suggests that there is indeed such a thing as abductors handing children back.
I've read that in the North of Portugal, some 12 years ago, a 2 years old boy had walked for 7 km, rain and chilly, in the country side, without shoes.
He left after lunch and was found in the middle of the night.
But he wasn't alone, he was with his dog.
A screaming without stopping baby ?
Presumably an abductor would have factored that in at the start...His disappearance was very silent..
This toddler was one year and a half. Big difference.
I am so so happy to hear that news!
Thanks god! And thanks universe!
Finally some good news!
Re him walking a long distance, my little niece went missing on a beach, she was 2 and she walked to the third beach around, some 500 meters.. the beaches were full of people and nobody noticed it.. police was called but luckily someone brought her back :)
So a child is able to walk for a long distance.
But 3 km is a bit too long!
When I was little a little boy went missing in my grandma's region, he 3 years old, the search went on for 4 days and they found him dead and frozen on a mountain, around 30 km away.. how he got there nobody knew. 8)><(
That story really changed my life.. The boy was having an afternoon nap with his mum, mum was tired and she did not notice him sneaking out of the bed. He went out and met his little girl friend and they decided to to go to his grandad's but they got lost, the girl was found alive one km away but the search for boy was for days.. it was so much rain and so cold, people were exhausted but they never stopped searching until they found him. :(
You can see where the toddler was found and the man who found him. The father refused to answer to the journalist.
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html)
You can see where the toddler was found and the man who found him. The father refused to answer to the journalist.
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html (http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/madeira-crianca-rapto-pj-coordenador-daniel/1530661-4071.html)
Thank goodness the baby has been found.
I find it strange that people who slate the McCann's for leaving their children unattended do not mention how terrible it is that the Portuguese police called off their search during the evening whilst this poor baby was missing. How could any police force find it acceptable to call off the search knowing that an 18 month old child could be out there on his own.
I would be most surprised if he got there on his own. That water gully scared me witless. And God forbid if he had been found dead due to an accident. Who would have believed his parents were innocent? No wonder his father didn't want to speak to the journalist. He was half way to being stitched up.
The video is incredible. Amazing good fortune that the man found him when he did, in such a relatively remote area.
I bet they were gobsmacked when he turned up 2 km away and in such rough terrain. I can understand them calling off the search when Daniel was nowhere to be found within a km of his godparents house, just goes to show though. Had he fallen into a ditch and been drowned and then found would they now be looking for an abductor/killer?
Not a remote area. It's a place that is daily checked by public servants to make sure the water flows through those channels ("levadas") and that it is very close from where the child went missing.
Whoever took him made sure he was found within a very short period after he was left there. No signs of hypothermia although it was very low temperature. Only mild signs of dehydration that were immediately corrected at the Hospital.
The PJ are investigating the parents, close relatives and friends as the most probably implicated.
Of course they wouldn't. Would you? Even I might have been sucked in.
The whole thing is a disgrace. Have The PJ not learned anything?
And just as a matter of interest, it was bright moonlight here for all of the three nights. Same time, give one hour, and the same hemisphere.
Are you crazy?!!!!
That was a strategic move that worked very well. It could have given a different result, but it worked. By taking pressure from whoever abducted the child they gave place for the child to be returned alive and well.
You should restrain from talking about what you don't know - there was a whole planned police operation that gave the results that were impossible with and by the McCann.
I know, different cases: here we had a live child in the latter there was a dead one.
Not a remote area. It's a place that is daily checked by public servants to make sure the water flows through those channels ("levadas") and that it is very close from where the child went missing.
Whoever took him made sure he was found within a very short period after he was left there. No signs of hypothermia although it was very low temperature. Only mild signs of dehydration that were immediately corrected at the Hospital.
The PJ are investigating the parents, close relatives and friends as the most probably implicated.
Didn't the doctor say his body temperature was 35C, or did I mishear?
http://www.publico.pt/multimedia/video/bebe-reaparece-na-madeira-2014122150162
This would suggest that he had not been outside since his disappearance, but had been placed there shortly before he was discovered.
So the parents dropped him off half way up a Levada and hoped he would drown or die from some other means?
Do you ever read what you write? Or are you just obsessed with parents killing their children?
You are demented?
I reproduced what the PJ coordinator stated in the news, that they were investigating the close family, friends and neighbours that were with the child when he disappeared.
If you read my posts you'd noticed I said that whoever took the child made sure nothing bad happened to him, according to what the authorities released.
Unlike the McCann, these parents didn't attempt to obstruct the finding of their son. They co-operated with the police and the result was a happy one.
That happy result seems to be more in spite of the PJ than thanks to them, seeing as they called the search off.
Do you know what criminal investigation is?
It's not putting your nose on the floor like a hog and keep thrusting forward. It implies gathering information, putting up hypothesis, and acting accordingly.
In this case the PJ did that. Acted accordingly and obtained the results they expected.
Could it had gone wrong? Yes it could. There were no garanties that the abductor would keep the child alive, however, the longer he/she kept him the more danger the child would incur. That's why the PJ chose to take the pressure from the abductor to allow him/her to return the child. It worked.
I see. Cunning plan. Since when do police forces hunting for a missing, vulnerable child suddenly stop after a day? The fact that they wanted to investigate the parents and other family members is standard practice, but so is continuing to search for a potentially live child.
The investigation didn't stop, the searching apparatus did. And especially the MEDIA was put out of there.
I know that you haven't understood yet that PJ does criminal investigation, the other forces, like GNR and /or PSP are the ones involved in the searches. The fact that GNR stopped being in the terrain didn't mean the criminal investigation didn't continue, even because there was not a 100% assurance that the traced strategy would give the result it did.
And I can see that you understand very little about strategic police work.
Then usefully inform them !
I'm sure other police forces around the world would be fascinated to learn more about such missing child strategies...
Maybe he needed to find himself a spokesperson >@@(*&)?{)(**
Then usefully inform them !
Nah. I'll leave the honour to Luz.Is that too much work for you ?
I suppose that if wandering off is excluded, that only leaves kidnap.
Is that too much work for you ?
Could I ask why Luz hasn't been laughed off The Forum?
The PJ left that child to freeze or drown, in the hope that they might catch his abductor, while setting up a case against his parents.?
This is such a disgrace that beggars belief.
And God help his parents if he had been found dead. Luz would have had them nailed to the wall.
You guys have had so much advice for the world's police forces since 2007 by now you could have compiled a ground breaking, internationally recognised training manual ?{)(**
You guys have had so much advice for the world's police forces since 2007 by now you could have compiled a ground breaking, internationally recognised training manual ?{)(**