Author Topic: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?  (Read 102399 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2017, 12:37:20 PM »
The timeline that was never verified? The timeline that had different times for when something happened depending which witness statement you happened to be reading at the time? According to the statements Gerry McCann could have gone to check his children as early as 2100 and returned as late as 2130. The timeline isn't a cohesive, forensically examinable narrative whatever Redwood proclaimed.

So you think Redwood doesn't know what he's talking about
How predictable

Alfie

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #106 on: January 20, 2017, 01:10:41 PM »
The timeline that was never verified? The timeline that had different times for when something happened depending which witness statement you happened to be reading at the time? According to the statements Gerry McCann could have gone to check his children as early as 2100 and returned as late as 2130. The timeline isn't a cohesive, forensically examinable narrative whatever Redwood proclaimed.
So we get to the crux of it  - you think you know better than the professionals charged with leading the investigation.  I thought as much.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2017, 02:45:17 PM »
There may well have been evidence but it wasn't found
The bed sheets were not properly examined for DNA and sent to the laundry days later
That is appalling police work and cannot be defended

So if in doubt blame the Portuguese or guess.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2017, 02:48:25 PM »
To quote the abductor ........... run with it.

Yeah OK then. After eight pages of rabbiting no one has established the first causal set. Real progress that is.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2017, 06:06:09 PM »
Yeah OK then. After eight pages of rabbiting no one has established the first causal set. Real progress that is.
Did you offer an example of a casual set?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2017, 06:12:59 PM »
So if in doubt blame the Portuguese or guess.

Im stating a fact.....the forensic examination of the crime sceene was pathetically poor

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2017, 07:25:48 PM »
Im stating a fact.....the forensic examination of the crime sceene was pathetically poor

Provide a cite that confirms that fact then.
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ferryman

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2017, 07:31:23 PM »
Provide a cite that confirms that fact then.

1 The crime-scene was not sealed off (indeed, hired out as a holiday apartment after the crime).

2 Madeleine's DNA was not secured until 3 months after the crime.

3. The woman who took finger prints from the apartments was not wearing gloves and had nothing covering her hair.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2017, 07:35:22 PM »
1 The crime-scene was not sealed off (indeed, hired out as a holiday apartment after the crime).

2 Madeleine's DNA was not secured until 3 months after the crime.

3. The woman who took finger prints from the apartments was not wearing gloves and had nothing covering her hair.
#3 is close but even that does not warrant the description "pathetically poor".  The other two are also debatable.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2017, 07:50:35 PM »
1 The crime-scene was not sealed off (indeed, hired out as a holiday apartment after the crime).

2 Madeleine's DNA was not secured until 3 months after the crime.

3. The woman who took finger prints from the apartments was not wearing gloves and had nothing covering her hair.
The scene was sealed off at the time the McCanns relocated.  Forensic examinations were conducted.  Then the apartment was returned to the use chosen by the owner, holiday rental to provide her with income.  It's only in fiction that examined incident scenes are sealed off for evermore.

Madeleine's DNA had to come from a source not in Portugal.  Perhaps the Portuguese should have bashed the McCanns or Leicestershire police for a tardy delivery.

Irene Trovão left a single hair within 5A, and it was identified as hers by the Portuguese authorities.

What's up, old man?

ferryman

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2017, 08:01:06 PM »
The scene was sealed off at the time the McCanns relocated.  Forensic examinations were conducted.  Then the apartment was returned to the use chosen by the owner, holiday rental to provide her with income.  It's only in fiction that examined incident scenes are sealed off for evermore.

Madeleine's DNA had to come from a source not in Portugal.  Perhaps the Portuguese should have bashed the McCanns or Leicestershire police for a tardy delivery.

Irene Trovão left a single hair within 5A, and it was identified as hers by the Portuguese authorities.

In England, a crime-scene would be sealed off at least until all forensic examinations had been completed.

ferryman

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2017, 08:05:33 PM »
The scene was sealed off at the time the McCanns relocated.  Forensic examinations were conducted.  Then the apartment was returned to the use chosen by the owner, holiday rental to provide her with income.  It's only in fiction that examined incident scenes are sealed off for evermore.

Madeleine's DNA had to come from a source not in Portugal.  Perhaps the Portuguese should have bashed the McCanns or Leicestershire police for a tardy delivery.

Irene Trovão left a single hair within 5A, and it was identified as hers by the Portuguese authorities.

I think it would be accepted that the English forensic analysis of the apartment was much more thorough than the Portuguese; but came 3 months after the crime, and after the apartment had already been let out to other holiday-makers.

What the English did (3 months after the crime) is what ought to have been done in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2017, 08:11:00 PM »
In England, a crime-scene would be sealed off at least until all forensic examinations had been completed.
The idea that cadaver dogs were needed was an afterthought. The cadaver dog alerts have caused confusion ever since.
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ferryman

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2017, 08:16:31 PM »
The idea that cadaver dogs were needed was an afterthought. The cadaver dog alerts have caused confusion ever since.

Harrison was handed a brief to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and, accordingly, recommended the canine resources he felt right to investigate that scenario.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2017, 08:20:09 PM »
Harrison was handed a brief to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and, accordingly, recommended the canine resources he felt right to investigate that scenario.
Could that use of cadaver dogs in the apartment be described as an afterthought?   It seems to be after Danie Krugel had been to PDL.
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