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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #900 on: February 06, 2017, 09:10:58 PM »
You don't know if they knew each other or if they spoke to each other then? They didn't all use the same word, by the way, only those who spoke to Gerry. Those who spoke to Kate used other words.

your claim is speculation...there is no record of Kate or Gerry using those words

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #901 on: February 07, 2017, 07:28:47 AM »
your claim is speculation...there is no record of Kate or Gerry using those words

All we have is the reports by their friends and relatives. 'Kate said' and Gerry said'. If they lied so be it.
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Alfie

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #902 on: February 07, 2017, 08:14:48 AM »
All we have is the reports by their friends and relatives. 'Kate said' and Gerry said'. If they lied so be it.
You need to learn the difference between a lie and a misinterpretation.  In the phenomenon known as Chinese Whispers is each person recounting the information slightly differently lying?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #903 on: February 07, 2017, 08:58:15 AM »
You need to learn the difference between a lie and a misinterpretation.  In the phenomenon known as Chinese Whispers is each person recounting the information slightly differently lying?

Difficult to go from the Window had been opened to the Window had been jemmied in one jump.
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Alfie

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #904 on: February 07, 2017, 09:21:56 AM »
Difficult to go from the Window had been opened to the Window had been jemmied in one jump.
Sigh.  In the immediate aftermath of the incident Gerry presumably thought the window had been open using force, or broken into, so it's less of a leap from that to jemmied, I'm sure you'll agree.
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stephen25000

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #905 on: February 07, 2017, 09:25:29 AM »
Difficult to go from the Window had been opened to the Window had been jemmied in one jump.

...and that is on the assumption the window was open before 10 pm.

Offline Benice

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #906 on: February 07, 2017, 09:36:38 AM »
You need to learn the difference between a lie and a misinterpretation.  In the phenomenon known as Chinese Whispers is each person recounting the information slightly differently lying?

Of course they're not lying - that's why they are called Chinese whispers.

Chinese whispers are not lies - they are misinterpretations/misunderstandings.     Also they are far more likely to occur as a result of conversations over the phone - because when people are talking face to face they can correct anything the other person may have obviously misunderstood or misinterpreted as they go along.    Not so once you have put the phone down and the other person is then phoning others - and so increasing the chances that even more chinese whispers can accrue.       For instance 'Gerry said the door was open' (meaning the bedroom door) becomes 'Gerry said the front door was open'.

It's clear that the McCanns never told the PJ that that the shutters were broken or smashed - otherwise Amaral would have mentioned it in his book and surely it would have been one of the 48 questions? 

And anyway  -  what would be the purpose of having a  'cunning' plan to lie to their friends and family?  What did they have to gain?  All that would do is prove to the PJ what massive liars they were once it was discovered that the shutters were undamaged.  So the answer is 'Zilch'.    They would have to be verging on the simple-minded to think that lying about the shutters was a good idea.

Unless people are so desperate to believe the McCanns lied they are prepared to throw all semblance of common sense and logic out of the window  - then to claim the McCanns OR their friends and family deliberately lied about the shutters is plainly ludicrous IMO. 


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stephen25000

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #907 on: February 07, 2017, 10:06:37 AM »
Of course they're not lying - that's why they are called Chinese whispers.

Chinese whispers are not lies - they are misinterpretations/misunderstandings.     Also they are far more likely to occur as a result of conversations over the phone - because when people are talking face to face they can correct anything the other person may have obviously misunderstood or misinterpreted as they go along.    Not so once you have put the phone down and the other person is then phoning others - and so increasing the chances that even more chinese whispers can accrue.       For instance 'Gerry said the door was open' (meaning the bedroom door) becomes 'Gerry said the front door was open'.

It's clear that the McCanns never told the PJ that that the shutters were broken or smashed - otherwise Amaral would have mentioned it in his book and surely it would have been one of the 48 questions? 

And anyway  -  what would be the purpose of having a  'cunning' plan to lie to their friends and family?  What did they have to gain?  All that would do is prove to the PJ what massive liars they were once it was discovered that the shutters were undamaged.  So the answer is 'Zilch'.    They would have to be verging on the simple-minded to think that lying about the shutters was a good idea.

Unless people are so desperate to believe the McCanns lied they are prepared to throw all semblance of common sense and logic out of the window  - then to claim the McCanns OR their friends and family deliberately lied about the shutters is plainly ludicrous IMO.

Are you seriously proposing that people are incapable of lying in any potential crime.

The bottom line remains, there is no independent verification of the window being opened before 10 pm.

No scuff marks on the walls or forensic evidence, that someone went in or out of that window.

Likewise, we already know whose fingerprints were identified.

stephen25000

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #908 on: February 07, 2017, 10:19:18 AM »
There is no obligation to believe her story, unless it has backup.

Her's doesn't as regards the window, and NOTHING you type will convince me otherwise.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:35:58 AM by John »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #909 on: February 07, 2017, 10:25:29 AM »
There is no obligation to believe her story, unless it has backup.

Her's doesn't as regards the window, and NOTHING you type will convince me otherwise.

I'm not trying to convince you
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:36:33 AM by John »

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #910 on: February 07, 2017, 10:31:37 AM »
Are you seriously proposing that people are incapable of lying in any potential crime.

The bottom line remains, there is no independent verification of the window being opened before 10 pm.

No scuff marks on the walls or forensic evidence, that someone went in or out of that window.

Likewise, we already know whose fingerprints were identified.

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Five fingerprints on the inside of the window were identified as belonging to Kate McCann. The PJ's report doesn't mention how many inadequate fingerprints were found on the inside or the outside of the window. In fact it doesn't even mention if the outside of the window was checked. There are a number of unidentified/inadequate fingerprints recovered from the patio doors and the shutters. After a two week period, there was also a fingerprint found, identified as belonging to a GNR officer.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077415/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%201


There is nothing at all suspicious about the presence of Kate McCann's fingerprints on the inside of the window glass. Not a thing!
Unless you take it one step further and analyse the reason for the presence of the fingerprints left by the GNR officer.
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Offline Benice

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #911 on: February 07, 2017, 10:32:43 AM »
SY obviously believe she was telling the truth - because if they didn't it would have been impossible for them to rule her out as a suspect or even a person of interest.   SY have ruled her out.  The end.   
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:38:52 AM by John »
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Alfie

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #912 on: February 07, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
She may have been mistaken, therefore she told the truth as she remembers it, unless you wish to dispute this fact and suggest otherwise.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:38:24 AM by John »

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #913 on: February 07, 2017, 10:36:51 AM »
There is no obligation to believe her story, unless it has backup.

Her's doesn't as regards the window, and NOTHING you type will convince me otherwise.

People can be very selective what statements they choose to believe many of which do not have the benefit of backup from an independent source.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 10:39:13 AM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #914 on: February 07, 2017, 10:41:14 AM »
It's not the first time someone has had temporary memory lapse, I believe there is a medical name for this phenomena which is attributable to shock and trauma.
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