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Offline barrier

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #390 on: May 14, 2018, 09:24:59 AM »
It wasn't Totman??

Why have your wife quoted in the papers if its not?

From the opening gambit in this thread.

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“We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #391 on: May 14, 2018, 09:25:43 AM »
OG seem to think there is every possibility it was.

In Your Opinion.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #392 on: May 14, 2018, 09:26:43 AM »
It wasn't Totman??
That is what I was thinking too, yet Jane's sketch does look a lot like Totman IMO.  Very confusing.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #393 on: May 14, 2018, 09:41:23 AM »
That is what I was thinking too, yet Jane's sketch does look a lot like Totman IMO.  Very confusing.

We are all vaguely confused, Rob.  Especially as Totman was walking in the wrong direction.

I suspect that Andy Redwood didn't know as much about Praia de Luz as we all do.

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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #394 on: May 14, 2018, 09:45:28 AM »
We are all vaguely confused, Rob.  Especially as Totman was walking in the wrong direction.

I suspect that Andy Redwood didn't know as much about Praia de Luz as we all do.

Surely you are not suggesting that Redwood was an incompetent police officer in charge of the investigation ?
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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #395 on: May 14, 2018, 09:46:24 AM »
That is what I was thinking too, yet Jane's sketch does look a lot like Totman IMO.  Very confusing.

Redwood moved the timeline on,being almost certain that the Tanner sighting was not an alleged abductor.
Yet for some reason 5 yrs on from this some think he was wrong thus calling into question Operation Grange.
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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #396 on: May 14, 2018, 09:47:31 AM »
We are all vaguely confused, Rob.  Especially as Totman was walking in the wrong direction.

I suspect that Andy Redwood didn't know as much about Praia de Luz as we all do.

Cite for direction Totman was walking,Redwood said in the exact same area,no mention of direction,don't assume.
I'll edit that,Redwood didn't mention which way the british holiday maker was walking who we now know to be  Mr Totman
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #397 on: May 14, 2018, 09:59:06 AM »
Surely you are not suggesting that Redwood was an incompetent police officer in charge of the investigation ?

No, I am not.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #398 on: May 14, 2018, 10:00:25 AM »
In Your Opinion.

Don’t be silly Eleanor. Redwood did a tour of the TV studios saying it.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #399 on: May 14, 2018, 10:11:15 AM »
Cite for direction Totman was walking,Redwood said in the exact same area,no mention of direction,don't assume.
I'll edit that,Redwood didn't mention which way the british holiday maker was walking who we now know to be  Mr Totman

Jane Tanner said that she saw a man carrying a child from the direction of Block 4, towards the house of Robert Murat.  This has been discussed at great length, so No Cite needed.

We do NOT now know this to be Dr. Totman.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #400 on: May 14, 2018, 10:13:21 AM »
Yes, of course. But Rachael and Fiona also saw the timelines written by ROB, before being quizzed by the Portuguese police (google "Elizabeth Loftus" to know how false memories could be implanted).

How do you know Rachael and Fiona saw Russell's written timeline?

Estimated time between 00.30 and 1.00 am Two timelines written by Russel O'Brien on the covers ripped off Madeleine's stickerbook are provided to the GNR officers.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #401 on: May 14, 2018, 10:14:09 AM »
Don’t be silly Eleanor. Redwood did a tour of the TV studios saying it.

A good try.  But Redwood never did say for certain.

Offline barrier

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #402 on: May 14, 2018, 10:21:10 AM »
Jane Tanner said that she saw a man carrying a child from the direction of Block 4, towards the house of Robert Murat.  This has been discussed at great length, so No Cite needed.

We do NOT now know this to be Dr. Totman.

From the opening gambit on this thread.

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As well as matching much of the physical description of “Tannerman”, Dr Totman also wore the same clothes.

He was interviewed by the Guarda Nacional Republicana soon after Maddie, three, vanished in May 2007, but his wife Rachel said: “My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn’t hear anything for years.

“We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner.

Redwood: We in the work we have done have been able to indentify a British holiday maker returning to their apartment in the exact same area at the time of the sighting Jane tanner saw.

This lead them to move the focus on,Redwood is clear moved on,Mrs Totman is clear it was her husband,no other sightings were reported in the exact same area,now ask yourself who or what did Mr Totnam see to be so precise about their timings,Redwood never made that up,some one gave him Mr Totmans times.
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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #403 on: May 14, 2018, 10:24:44 AM »
Jane Tanner said that she saw a man carrying a child from the direction of Block 4, towards the house of Robert Murat.  This has been discussed at great length, so No Cite needed.

We do NOT now know this to be Dr. Totman.

Murats house was along that direction along with others,not towards his house,world of difference
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Offline Brietta

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #404 on: May 14, 2018, 10:25:48 AM »
Yes, of course. But Rachael and Fiona also saw the timelines written by ROB, before being quizzed by the Portuguese police (google "Elizabeth Loftus" to know how false memories could be implanted).

If I remember correctly the police approved them working on the timeline.  I am in two minds about that.  Obviously it was of the greatest importance to establish the when and where and to do it with the utmost urgency. It was the proper course of action to get it all on record while memories were fresh and in my opinion they made a valiant attempt at doing that.
But they did it in the absence of professional advice and at a time when they were caught up in the turmoil of the event.

They were not the only people in Praia da Luz that evening.  In my opinion their individual accounts should have been collated with reference to all other individual accounts to take in the overall picture and not their part in it in isolation.

Inadvertently it became in part the catalyst for "inconsistencies" in a situation in which of course there were going to be inconsistencies in individual accounts taking individual viewpoints into consideration.
I think that misinterpretation did immeasurable damage to Madeleine's case when police focused in before focusing out.
Don't know if you are familiar with the phrase ~ 'can't see the wood for the trees' ~ but I think that is what happened.

In my opinion, though, Jane Tanner was isolated from much of that and her account was therefore untainted by collaboration.

The circumstance of her knowledge of what she had witnessed led her in my opinion to remain aloof as she tried to work it out. 
Unless someone knows different as soon as the furore of Madeleine's disappearance erupted she immediately recalled the man she had seen carrying the child away. 
She recalled the circumstances surrounding that.  She made the connection to Madeleine's disappearance.  That was prior to the timeline being drawn up and as soon as she could on the arrival of the police she told them what she had seen.
In my opinion that knowledge weighed heavily on her and to her was in context probably of far more importance than the trivia of a timeline to establish when Madeleine's disappearance could have happened.
She knew exactly when.

It would be a reasonable assumption that Jane may have seen Dr Totman in the course of the holiday.  She never associated him with the man who passed in front of her on the night Madeleine vanished or made the connection to the possibility the man she saw was a tourist.  Quite the reverse.

I remain convinced Jane Tanner's account of the events concerning her is yet to be overturned.  In my opinion it is accurate and therefore I believe that man is still to be traced.
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