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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2019, 10:15:02 AM »
Well, that's a new one.  Were these Senior EU Officials elected or not?  Oh, and who are they?

He was one of the main whistleblowers in the Cambridge Analytica / Facebook saga. I find it perfectly plausible as the EU will also be watching out for Russian / far-right interference in the upcoming elections.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2019, 10:26:50 AM »
Shamir being the other main whistleblower.

https://twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1093622989881511937

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2019, 11:37:17 AM »
Kate Hoey (Lab) thinks ROI should leave the EU and pay for manning its borders if it chooses to stay.



Cambridge University classicist Professor Mary Beard tweeted: “When Kate Hoey on @BBCr4today talks about the Irish having to pay for putting up the border between N and S Ireland if there is to be one, she sounds to me dangerously like Mr Trump and Mexico.”

Former Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain, a supporter of the pro-EU Open Britain campaign, said: “With her suggestion that Ireland will have to pay for any border, Kate Hoey seems to have been taking diplomacy lessons from Donald Trump.

“It really is astonishing how much damage Brexit is already doing to our country’s reputation. Even our closest friends, Ireland, are now becoming the target of unhinged attacks from hard Brexit cheerleaders.”

Ross Greer MSP, the Scottish Greens’ Europe spokesman, said; “Kate Hoey’s suggestion that the government in Dublin pay for a hard border in Ireland would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting and so dangerous to the peace process.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/15686353.pro-leave-labour-mp-kate-hoey-ireland-can-pay-for-border-posts-after-brexit/

Odd. I've heard this before.

I think I'll pass on that Kool-Aid, thanks.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2019, 03:04:03 PM »
Kate Hoey (Lab) thinks ROI should leave the EU and pay for manning its borders if it chooses to stay.



Cambridge University classicist Professor Mary Beard tweeted: “When Kate Hoey on @BBCr4today talks about the Irish having to pay for putting up the border between N and S Ireland if there is to be one, she sounds to me dangerously like Mr Trump and Mexico.”

Former Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain, a supporter of the pro-EU Open Britain campaign, said: “With her suggestion that Ireland will have to pay for any border, Kate Hoey seems to have been taking diplomacy lessons from Donald Trump.

“It really is astonishing how much damage Brexit is already doing to our country’s reputation. Even our closest friends, Ireland, are now becoming the target of unhinged attacks from hard Brexit cheerleaders.”

Ross Greer MSP, the Scottish Greens’ Europe spokesman, said; “Kate Hoey’s suggestion that the government in Dublin pay for a hard border in Ireland would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting and so dangerous to the peace process.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/15686353.pro-leave-labour-mp-kate-hoey-ireland-can-pay-for-border-posts-after-brexit/

Odd. I've heard this before.

I think I'll pass on that Kool-Aid, thanks.


Sometimes it is easy to read what you want to see.


The subject of a hard border was menmtioned, and Kate suggested IF EU and Ireland want a hard border they can build it and pay for it... nothing Trump about it.  Spitting out dummy comes to mind.

I want a new car... looks like I will have to work and pay for it myself.. unless...
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2019, 10:38:37 AM »

Sometimes it is easy to read what you want to see.


The subject of a hard border was menmtioned, and Kate suggested IF EU and Ireland want a hard border they can build it and pay for it... nothing Trump about it.  Spitting out dummy comes to mind.

I want a new car... looks like I will have to work and pay for it myself.. unless...

Would make it easier for Isis brides to get back into the U.K. if we didn’t man borders.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2019, 11:08:13 AM »
Would make it easier for Isis brides to get back into the U.K. if we didn’t man borders.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2019, 05:08:29 PM »
Moving to this thread...

I wasn't able to see the live stream, and I haven't read a summary yet of yesterday's Wilson case.

It concerned the fact that, due to the illegalities of the Leave campaign (apparently to a criminal standard), the 2016 referendum should be considered legally void.

It failed. Why?

MCM
‏ @sub_neon

So in court today it was found that the referendum would have been immediately QUASHED due to illegalities...IF it was MANDATORY. As it is ADVISORY it CANNOT be. Let that sink in. @UKEUchallenge are heroes for trying as far as I'm concerned.
11:21 AM - 21 Feb 2019
https://twitter.com/sub_neon/status/1098694156455739400

The irony.

Background reading:

http://www.brexitshambles.com/the-legal-loophole-that-defies-democracy-in-britain/

http://www.brexitshambles.com/dr-robert-c-palmer-explains-the-significance-of-the-wilson-case-and-the-intriguing-law-behind-it/

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2019, 05:09:51 PM »
Worth a read for those who think all leavers voted for a no-deal.


‏ @njstone9

I'm starting a thread to uncover the lie that all Brexit voters wanted the UK to leave the Single Market.

Firstly, the promise from Gove, Johnson et al was that the UK could have full access to the SM minus FOM and regulatory alignment.

https://twitter.com/njstone9/status/966689913755201536

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2019, 05:14:41 PM »
Vote leave is at it again, wanting to deselect the "traitors" who oppose the "proper WTO Brexit" people voted for.

https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1098617916495458305

How many people believed the early assurances that the UK would still remain in the Single Market?

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2019, 05:45:42 PM »
On polls and voting.

Brexit is not the will of the British people – it never has been
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/10/24/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people-it-never-has-been/

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2019, 10:36:45 PM »
Dr Rob Palmer
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[Ref illegality & corruption THREAD 👇👇]

Been asked to summarise the Susan Wilson (@Suewilson91) v Prime Minister case. This thread gives the basics of the pleadings and relief sought. /1
https://twitter.com/RobertCPalmer13/status/1034828304673632256

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #101 on: February 24, 2019, 11:28:03 AM »
It seems to me that Brexit has highlighted the differences in attitude towards moral obligations.

Theresa May feels she's got a moral obligation to deliver Brexit because that's what the British people voted for in the referendum.Other politicians don't agree. They range from those who think the people were wrong and should be ignored to those who accept the result of the vote but want their own version of Brexit to be accepted.

I think it demonstrates the different views of morality which exist in Britain.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #102 on: February 24, 2019, 01:37:05 PM »
It seems to me that Brexit has highlighted the differences in attitude towards moral obligations.

Theresa May feels she's got a moral obligation to deliver Brexit because that's what the British people voted for in the referendum.Other politicians don't agree. They range from those who think the people were wrong and should be ignored to those who accept the result of the vote but want their own version of Brexit to be accepted.

I think it demonstrates the different views of morality which exist in Britain.


I would like to see the hard evidence of Cambridge analitica having the great swathe of influence over the Brexit vote.

The only reason the far right are taking lead is due to politicians refusing to accept there are real issues in this coutry- which will noit go away unless someone has the gaul to stand up for the UK. and not as a multi cultural entity.

How do you suppose the BNP party began to take votes away? not because people are Nazis, but because they talked a language those voters wanted to hear and that was- 'we will save the UK'.  how they would go about it is anyones guess, which is why it is very important to listen to the people who voted to leave- or this angry minority(we are told it is a minority- no evidence of course) gang the momentum and join forces with far right groups!


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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #103 on: February 24, 2019, 02:38:54 PM »

I would like to see the hard evidence of Cambridge analitica having the great swathe of influence over the Brexit vote.

The only reason the far right are taking lead is due to politicians refusing to accept there are real issues in this coutry- which will noit go away unless someone has the gaul to stand up for the UK. and not as a multi cultural entity.

How do you suppose the BNP party began to take votes away? not because people are Nazis, but because they talked a language those voters wanted to hear and that was- 'we will save the UK'.  how they would go about it is anyones guess, which is why it is very important to listen to the people who voted to leave- or this angry minority(we are told it is a minority- no evidence of course) gang the momentum and join forces with far right groups!


See Carana-Nothing to do with Russian darling...

Politicians have recently rejected democracy by rejecting;

The vote electing Corbyn
The vote to leave the EU
The need to resign if you leave your party.

All that is, imo, deshonourable behaviour by our 'Honourable' Members of Parliament. I don't see how they can ever claim the moral high ground again. They think desperate measures are justified to achieve their goals. I believe they are setting a terrible example.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #104 on: February 24, 2019, 05:29:51 PM »
It seems to me that Brexit has highlighted the differences in attitude towards moral obligations.

Theresa May feels she's got a moral obligation to deliver Brexit because that's what the British people voted for in the referendum.Other politicians don't agree. They range from those who think the people were wrong and should be ignored to those who accept the result of the vote but want their own version of Brexit to be accepted.

I think it demonstrates the different views of morality which exist in Britain.
In your opinion when the people voted Leave they voted for no deal so why would you be supportive of anyone trying to get the best deal possible?
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