Brexit and Moral Obligations.

[John]

Maybe, but in the short run it could be disastrous for those who lose their jobs and livlihood as a result.  We see what longterm harm and resentment the death of the mining (and other) industry bred in this country, many people snd communities have still not recovered, I think Brexit could wreak similar havoc on farming  and the food industry, manufacturing and small business.

One has to decide, should we buy plentiful relatively cheap lamb from Australia and New Zealand after Brexit or pay more for the homegrown variety?  The reality of it is that more people will be able to have lamb on their table more often so is that necessarily a bad thing?  UK farmers must learn to produce good quality food at a reasonable price and not depend on subsidies amounting to around £100 per acre per annum.

Parliament has a moral obligation to deliver Brexit which after all is the will of the majority.  Anything less would undermine democracy for centuries to come IMO.

[Carana]

Out of the EU. No need for public transport, you won't actually be moving.

Oh well. No doubt better to abandon all projects and just sit and admire the sunny uplands.

[Carana]

One has to decide, should we buy plentiful relatively cheap lamb from Australia and New Zealand after Brexit or pay more for the homegrown variety?  The reality of it is that more people will be able to have lamb on their table more often so is that necessarily a bad thing?  UK farmers must learn to produce good quality food at a reasonable price and not depend on subsidies amounting to around £100 per acre per annum.

Parliament has a moral obligation to deliver Brexit which after all is the will of the majority.  Anything less would undermine democracy for centuries to come IMO.

I had a few articles saved for you, John, as I was interested in your view. I'll try to find the links.

NB: Methinks we're on the wrong thread... ;)

[Eleanor]

One has to decide, should we buy plentiful relatively cheap lamb from Australia and New Zealand after Brexit or pay more for the homegrown variety?  The reality of it is that more people will be able to have lamb on their table more often so is that necessarily a bad thing?  UK farmers must learn to produce good quality food at a reasonable price and not depend on subsidies amounting to around £100 per acre per annum.

Parliament has a moral obligation to deliver Brexit which after all is the will of the majority.  Anything less would undermine democracy for centuries to come IMO.

I have been able to buy frozen New Zealand Lamb in France for 25 years.  And very good it is too.  Although I actually prefer Mutton.

[Eleanor]

PS.  This all seems to be getting a bit cross.  Could we cool it a trifle, Please.

[Brietta]

The majority did, many others didn't.

You posted as follows ...
"You do love your hyperbole, don't you? Such drama! A vote is a vote and the majority wins, even if only by one vote. The winners get what they want and the losers don't. That's democracy."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10574.msg512557#msg512557
Which is why your post referring to the Independence Referendum " ...  but Scots still voted for it and would again." left me a little bemused as the majority vote was against Independence.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10574.msg512577#msg512577

[Venturi Swirl]

It wasn't all about the economy in either the Scottish Independence Referendum and the Brexit Referendum, Money may make the world go round but people have other needs and desires too.

Most of which are less easy to achieve without a job, or with less money to live on.

[G-Unit]

You posted as follows ...
"You do love your hyperbole, don't you? Such drama! A vote is a vote and the majority wins, even if only by one vote. The winners get what they want and the losers don't. That's democracy."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10574.msg512557#msg512557
Which is why your post referring to the Independence Referendum " ...  but Scots still voted for it and would again." left me a little bemused as the majority vote was against Independence.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10574.msg512577#msg512577

I was referring to the Scottish people who voted to leave the UK, despite being told it was a bad idea economically. .

[Carana]

Change in YouGov poll results re whether was a good idea or not.

https://twitter.com/RCorbettMEP/status/1092522889465737221

[Brietta]

I was referring to the Scottish people who voted to leave the UK, despite being told it was a bad idea economically. .

One could almost be  forgiven for thinking from your original post that those voters had won the referendum.  They did not.

Snip
Polls in the run-up to the referendum vote showed a closing of the gap, with one poll giving the Yes campaign a 51–49 lead. In the referendum Scotland voted against independence by 55.3% to 44.7%, with an overall turnout of 84.6%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

[G-Unit]

One could almost be  forgiven for thinking from your original post that those voters had won the referendum.  They did not.

Snip
Polls in the run-up to the referendum vote showed a closing of the gap, with one poll giving the Yes campaign a 51–49 lead. In the referendum Scotland voted against independence by 55.3% to 44.7%, with an overall turnout of 84.6%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

I think most people know they didn't. My point was that not everyone puts ecomonic prosperity before everything else.

[Brietta]

I think most people know they didn't. My point was that not everyone puts ecomonic prosperity before everything else.

  ... and here was I thinking that we vote politicians into office in the hopes that they will safeguard the country by ensuring our economic growth and prosperity and thus stability.

Probably shows why you and I would vote differently in any two option referendum.

[G-Unit]

  ... and here was I thinking that we vote politicians into office in the hopes that they will safeguard the country by ensuring our economic growth and prosperity and thus stability.

Probably shows why you and I would vote differently in any two option referendum.

You know why you vote the way you do, but it doesn't follow that everyone else has the same priorities. Margaret Thatcher thought that Britain should turn away from manufacturing and build a service economy. That may have been good for the economy of the country as a whole, but not for those individuals and communities who lost their jobs.

[Carana]

Christopher Wylie
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Christopher Wylie

🏳️‍🌈 Retweeted Brexitshambles

Senior EU officials have told me bluntly they know Brexit was won through illegality and cheating by Leave. Leaving the EU is not the ‘will of the people’. Brexit is the will of a British government complicit in ignoring data crime, electoral crime and Russian interference.
https://twitter.com/chrisinsilico/status/1093443720203173888

[Eleanor]

Christopher Wylie
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Christopher Wylie

🏳️‍🌈 Retweeted Brexitshambles

Senior EU officials have told me bluntly they know Brexit was won through illegality and cheating by Leave. Leaving the EU is not the ‘will of the people’. Brexit is the will of a British government complicit in ignoring data crime, electoral crime and Russian interference.
https://twitter.com/chrisinsilico/status/1093443720203173888

Well, that's a new one.  Were these Senior EU Officials elected or not?  Oh, and who are they?