J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...

[Myster]

Except Holly. 

[adam]

Holly will agree that it would take several minutes for Bamber to be 'awoken' from sleeping 'like a log', realise the 'downstairs' phone was ringing, decide to & go & answer it. However Bamber only had 10 seconds.

Holly will agree there is no benefit in Nevill leaving a message on an answering machine.

[Myster]

Best of luck with that.

[Myster]

Wrong thread, but couldn't help noticing that Lundy's appeal went off like damp squib... poor Samson...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/107699306/Mark-Lundys-lawyer-signals-double-murder-case-could-go-to-the-Supreme-Court

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12123002

[Nicholas]

The 17th Annual Miscarriage of Justice Conference is apparently on this Saturday

With the usual faces by the looks of it?

http://www.unitedagainstinjustice.com

Hope there's not another meeting in Oldham or Manchester planned for the same day http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=89.msg766

[Holly Goodhead]

Reply 1133 has the required document.

Proof must be supplied that Bamber's answering machine was not working, and that Nevill knew this.

Otherwise guilt has to be accepted by everyone.

I can't access the doc as I'm not registered on Blue.  In any event the doc will need show JB had an answering machine pre tragedy at BC.

No one mentions answering machines eg JM et al, AE et al, EP.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly will agree that it would take several minutes for Bamber to be 'awoken' from sleeping 'like a log', realise the 'downstairs' phone was ringing, decide to & go & answer it. However Bamber only had 10 seconds.

Holly will agree there is no benefit in Nevill leaving a message on an answering machine.

The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?

[Myster]

Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.

[APRIL]

Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.

It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.

[adam]

The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?

How would he wake, realise the phone was ringing, decide to answer it & get downstairs. Before Nevill had left his message ? Which would be within 5-10 seconds.

[Caroline]

The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?

I would also imagine it depends where the source of the noise is, relative to the individual. Fine if bother were in the same room, not quite the same when they are separated by walls.

[Myster]

It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.

Yes, all those dreary misspent hours... farming in the Antipodes. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.

How would we know whether or not he slept with internal doors opened/closed?

How would we know about the ringer volume!?

[Holly Goodhead]

It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.

Or the grief from all the women in his life!

[Holly Goodhead]

How would he wake, realise the phone was ringing, decide to answer it & get downstairs. Before Nevill had left his message ? Which would be within 5-10 seconds.

I don't believe there's any evidence JB had an answering machine at BC pre tragedy.  EP interviewed him under caution about the phones but at no time did they ask about an answering machine.