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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #195 on: November 12, 2019, 11:13:01 PM »
DNA results:

Look at the column that says "locus" look down to "D7S820"

JBR =8,10
BR = 8,10
Patsy= 8,8
John= 10,12
Melinda = 9,9
JAR = 9,10

To be a biological daughter Melinda would need a 10 or a 12 at this locus but the result is 9,9. 
Logic states that Lucinda (Melinda's mum must have a 9, or a 10 at this loci, and her biological father must have a 9 allele at this site.)

I have now found the original Bode Report on the internet http://linearsight.com/pdfFiles/BodeLabreports.pdf
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #196 on: November 12, 2019, 11:37:35 PM »
Does anyone know if Jeff Ramsey provided a DNA sample?  Two brothers can have very similar DNA profiles and because Melinda's profile is consistent with being a John Ramsey child on all the other loci tested I would have to consider that a very closely related individual to John Ramsey being her father.
Does anyone know why John and Lucinda divorced?  I read that Lucinda and Patsy were good friends so one would think Lucinda didn't hold a grudge against Patsy for breaking up the marriage so maybe that wasn't the reason for the split.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #197 on: November 13, 2019, 06:00:49 PM »
Lou Smit showed Patsy and John many of the crimescene photographs taken by the police in the days after the murder. In one photo Patsy noticed a small white toy bear dressed in a Santa suit. It was among the other toys on the second bed in JonBenét’s room. She told Smit she didn’t know where the bear came from. The stuffed toy had not been confiscated by police after the murder, and now it seemed to be missing. In the coming months the DA’s office would try to determine how it got there.
I need to look into the bear later.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #198 on: November 13, 2019, 07:33:45 PM »
I wonder if Jameson still accepts her theory as quoted in PMPT?
"Jameson told Lou Smit her theory of the murder: While the Ramseys were at the Whites’ house on Christmas night, an intruder had entered their house and hid in the basement. The intruder was young and a friend of John Andrew’s and might have had a history of pedophilia. Jameson said that after the intruder entered the house, he fantasized about kidnapping JonBenét for sex, while always knowing he would kill her. While waiting for the family to get home, he wrote the ransom note. When they returned and JonBenét was put to bed, the intruder took her from her room and inadvertently killed her, sooner than he had planned. For his part, Lou Smit listened to Jameson and tried to reconcile what she said with what he knew."

I have posted the same question on the Facebook forum that I keep an eye on.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #199 on: November 13, 2019, 07:48:07 PM »
The full autopsy report has been released.  That was news to me, as I thought there were still points held back.  Looking at the list of things released I'd have to say I have only read the early version of the autopsy report at this stage. 

PMPT:
"On August 13, the full, uncensored autopsy report, including six brief sections that had been held back from the public since May 15, was released. The details previously not disclosed to the public were that a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt had been draped over JonBenét’s body after she was brought upstairs; that a red heart was found drawn on her left palm; that there was a sequined star on the front of her knit nightshirt; that she wore a gold cross necklace; that blue ties held her hair in ponytails; that the word Wednesday was sewn on her panties; and that a gold bracelet hung on her right wrist, bearing the inscriptions “JonBenét” and “12/25/96.” The public also learned that the possible murder weapon was something like a garrote made from a stick “irregularly broken at both ends and there are several colors of paint and apparent glistening varnish on the surface . . . Printed in gold letters on one end of the wooden stick is the word ‘Korea.’” "

Full text of the autopsy report is located https://www.denverpost.com/1996/08/13/text-of-jonbenet-autopsy-report/?fbclid=IwAR022NCe01UpxzSF2yW4jBO0SvzOjT36wB_aJz3xx0e37pUeMHiMjrxoQ9I
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #200 on: November 14, 2019, 09:00:02 AM »
recommended book by Paula Woodward "We Have Your Daughter: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later"
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #201 on: November 14, 2019, 07:54:16 PM »
Jonbenet has a bed wetting problem, her blanket, pyjamas and sheets etc were laundered everyday.  One documentary made a point that the DNA found on the pyjamas and panties could have come from the manufacturing process.  Surely this would only be true on the first wearing, if the items were straight out of the package.  If any of the clothing had been slept in before it would have been washed and all traces of touch DNA would be eliminated IMO.

Has it been established that the clothes Jonbenet was wearing were brand new?  If they were brand new:
Where were they purchased? 
Who bought them? 
Who gave them to her to wear?   
Who dressed her in those clothes?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #202 on: November 15, 2019, 10:53:38 AM »
This is the crime scene photo of the blanket and the pink Barbie nightshirt.

Text of autopsy report https://www.denverpost.com/1996/08/13/text-of-jonbenet-autopsy-report/?fbclid=IwAR2XA9Eq90jKlsi_yy0phWhMVEA8FKS6ms86gnJVJwaZrE5UBmuSUjbW4Uw
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #203 on: November 15, 2019, 10:31:45 PM »
https://charlierose.com/videos/12383
"Ann Louise Bardach of Vanity Fair and Gregg McCrary, retired special agent of the FBI, discuss the JonBenét ransom note and the implications to the guilt of John and Patsy Ramsey.

it is what Gregg McCrary says that confirms an earlier point I made.
From the transcript which is nearly perfect:
"7:14Ann Louise Bardach: --was, in fact, one of Patsy Ramsey's paintbrushes. Now, you could say that sounds very incriminating, but you can-- what the defense team will argue is, ''Well, someone broke in and took her paintbrush and broke it in half and created a garrote.'' But in fact, it was made-- she was an amateur painter and it was made from her supplies. What Gregg said is absolutely true, is you have just a, you know, kind of a big pile of circumstantial evidence and-- but no one, big smoking gun. You have a kind of cleaned-up, sanitized crime scene. Somebody, you know, cleaned up the scene. A lot of people-- a lot of the experts believe the child was re-dressed. You know, her clothes were-- there's controversy about was she re-dressed or not. Her clothes look pretty tidy and clean for somebody who was brutally bludgeoned and strangled. And she also-- one of the things that's in this story is, is that there's odd touches. She's found in this basement storage room, but found with her is her very, very favorite possession in the world, according to one of her relatives, her pageant nightgown. It's, you know, snuggled up with her. Well, usually, if you're going in to kill a child, you wouldn't bother to get their favorite thing and put it alongside them. I mean, as Gregg would tell you, you know, they-- they seize children, kill them and throw them in a ditch.18:32Charlie Rose: Yeah.18:34Ann Louise Bardach: You know, you don't put your favorite blanket over them and that kind of--18:38Charlie Rose: Yeah? Gregg?18:40Gregg McCrary: This evidence-- again, that's evidence that-- all offender behavior is significant and when you look at that, it deals with caring and concern. And if you have caring and concern-- as paradoxical as it may sound, you have that at homicide scenes. But what that tells you is that's usually indicative of a pre-existing relationship. Even though there's been a homicide, still there's caring and concern for the victim. So again, that's one more thing that weighs against-- weighs against a stranger. And if I might make one other point, as well? When Ann was talking about this idea that some of the-- apparently, the district attorneys believe that the Ramseys couldn't have done it because they're good Christians, they're nice people and so forth. This is the wrong way to go about an investigation. And this is a-- this is a trap that people fall into sometimes. We want child killers -- especially child killers, a heinous crime -- to be different than you and I and we're not comfortable when they are like us. We want them to have a hunchback and drool, one eye in the center of their forehead and drag a leg behind them when they walk and all that. The reality is, though, that murders and child murders are committed by people who are otherwise very nice people and we just don't want that to be true. And it's an unsettling thing and sometimes people have trouble getting over it, but can't be what drives the investigation. The facts have to drive the investigation and the theories have to emerge from the facts, not some preconception whether someone could do this or not do it."
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #204 on: November 16, 2019, 10:11:48 AM »
In that interview Ann Bardach raises the question of whether Jonbenet was redressed.  You would think someone with the case and information right at hand would have been able to answer that question. 

That was the same question I'm asking above, but the case is relatively new to me.   How can I determine this matter definitively years later?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #205 on: November 16, 2019, 06:27:22 PM »
this page has the DNA results from samples taken at the crime scene https://juror13lw.com/2018/04/13/is-burke-ramsey-a-contributor-to-the-unknown-male-1-codis-profile/


This page looks at the pink night gown found beside Jonbenet. https://juror13lw.com/2018/04/13/the-pink-nightgown-paradox/

Underwear stains DNA results compared.  https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/comparisons-to-stain-on-underwear-jpg.132882/


At TH01 there is no result for John Ramsey.  But with the knowledge of DNA and JR being the father, and Patsy being the mother of Burke and Jonbenet it is possible to fill that space in. JBR is homologous with 9.3 so both JR and Patsy have a 9.3 allele.    Patsy also has a 7 at this locus so Burke's 7 could only come from Patsy, as Burke has the two alleles 6 and 7 but Patsy doesn't have a 6 so that had to come from John.  So JR at locus TH01 has alleles 6, 9.3 by deduction.

The mixed profile at that locus has a 9 and none of the Ramsey set has a 9 but could that just come from the presence DNA from the manufacture of the panties.

Maybe but only if the panties had not been washed before.  Were they really brand new?  Who bought them?  Where were they bought from?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #206 on: November 16, 2019, 07:19:08 PM »
What's this about a DNA result that hobbles together the family DNA? https://youtu.be/-W6qMcvLnr4 "JonBenét Ramsey DNA"? [not enough to be conclusive IMO].
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #207 on: November 16, 2019, 10:20:29 PM »
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The mixed profile at that locus has a 9 and none of the Ramsey set has a 9 but could that just come from the presence DNA from the manufacture of the panties.

Maybe but only if the panties had not been washed before.  Were they really brand new?  Who bought them?  Where were they bought from?
Looking up about the panties this is one explanation. (I'm not saying it is correwct but it gives me some words to do further Google searches with.)

"As for the DNA evidence found on JonBenet’s underpants, it should be noted that these underpants did not belong to JonBenet. Although they were identical to the underpants JonBenet was wearing that day, they were actually the underpants suitable for a 12 year old child. Patsy purchased two packets of ‘days of the week’ underpants from Bloomingdales in NYC before Christmas, one packet for a 6 year old girl, JonBenet, and one for a 12 year old girl, Patsy’s niece.

JonBenet was found wearing the correct day of the week pair, Wednesday, but from the brand new packet meant for Patsy’s niece. The underpants that were JonBenet’s size were not recovered. The packet from which the pair suitable for a 12 year old girl was recovered, I believe in the basement, and only the Wednesday pair was taken from the brand new packet."

Well did Patsy's niece ever get DNA tested?  Who was this niece?
One clue " that was put away supposedly for Patsy's niece Jenny as a Christmas gift."  Her first name maybe Jenny.

That's about the extent of it.  Not really explained at all, but the rumour is they were bought by Patsy.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #208 on: November 16, 2019, 10:23:19 PM »
Was the nightshirt with the sequined star also a present? 
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2019, 10:47:05 AM »
Remember that Jonbenet said that Santa was going to visit her after Christmas.  Was that the enticement to get her to descend the stairs into the basement?   Were there presents down there for her?
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