Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[pegasus]

An unfortunate accident that rendered her invisible?  What sort of an accident is it possible for her to have had leaving not one single trace?

It's difficult to imagine one in a town, that would leave no trace or tiny clue.

[pegasus]

@ShiningInLuz On the short section of Rua Teixeira which joins Rua Martins to Rua Direita, halfway is a change in the road surface from tarmac to cobbled. Maybe this is the location where one searcher described road works?

[Lace]

Most people have utmost sympathy for Madeleine. but when they know what the mccanns did in unnecessarily endangering their children, they want to know why they have not been charged with at least neglect.

Then they need to take it up with Social Services,   not hound a family who are going through a traumatic time with the loss of their daughter.

[Lace]

What a coincidence.

Meaning?

I came to my conclusion on the basis of what any of my children would do at age almost four,   the thought of a child of that age at the top of steps trying to open a child gate or indeed climbing over it in the dark at the top of steps,  then if opened turning to close it,  just didn't ring true to me.

[stephen25000]

Meaning?

I came to my conclusion on the basis of what any of my children would do at age almost four,   the thought of a child of that age at the top of steps trying to open a child gate or indeed climbing over it in the dark at the top of steps,  then if opened turning to close it,  just didn't ring true to me.

So you are saying a 3/4 year old could not have got out ?

[jassi]

So you are saying a 3/4 year old could not have got out ?

Unlikely to be able to do so without trace.
She had to get through the patio sliding door - not reported as being sufficiently open for a child to get through when Kate arrives for her visit.
Then she has to get through/over the child gate, which I think opens outwards, so tricky to manage in the dark. Again, gate reported as closed.

[stephen25000]

Unlikely to be able to do so without trace.
She had to get through the patio sliding door - not reported as being sufficiently open for a child to get through when Kate arrives for her visit.
Then she has to get through/over the child gate, which I think opens outwards, so tricky to manage in the dark. Again, gate reported as closed.

and that assumes Kate Mccann told the truth.

I do recall at the start the mccanns said the doors were locked, and that became changed to the patio door was unlocked.

[Lace]

So you are saying a 3/4 year old could not have got out ?

I am saying it is highly unlikely a child of that age would open a child gate at the top of steps in the dark then turn and close it behind her.

My children wouldn't open the child gate at the top of the stairs at home in the dark,  they would shout from the top of the stairs.    Maybe in daylight they would have a go but wouldn't bother to shut it behind them.

[stephen25000]

I am saying it is highly unlikely a child of that age would open a child gate at the top of steps in the dark then turn and close it behind her.

My children wouldn't open the child gate at the top of the stairs at home in the dark,  they would shout from the top of the stairs.    Maybe in daylight they would have a go but wouldn't bother to shut it behind them.

What about a child half awake trying to find her parents in a poorly lit apartment ?

As to Kate Mccanns accounts of what she 'found'..........................

[jassi]

and that assumes Kate Mccann told the truth.

I do recall at the start the mccanns said the doors were locked, and that became changed to the patio door was unlocked.

Of course. Isn't she  held up as a shining example of honesty and rectitude  by those who believe her every word?

[stephen25000]

Of course. Isn't she  held up as a shining example of honesty and rectitude  by those who believe her every word?

Idolized and adored by some.

At one point i believe , she was nominated for woman of the year, along with Katie Price, which really says everything.

[Lace]

What about a child half awake trying to find her parents in a poorly lit apartment ?

As to Kate Mccanns accounts of what she 'found'..........................

You have changed the subject Stephen I was talking about Madeleine leaving the apartment.

Though Madeleine found her way without any problem  to her parents bedroom on the Tuesday night when Amelie woke her up crying.

[Lace]

Of course. Isn't she  held up as a shining example of honesty and rectitude  by those who believe her every word?

I go by what I have found in the police files jassi,   who holds her up as a shining example of honesty and rectitude?  Surely that must be Amaral?

[stephen25000]

I go by what I have found in the police files jassi,   who holds her up as a shining example of honesty and rectitude?  Surely that must be Amaral?

As you realize Lace, Jassi means the mccann supporters.

[Mr Gray]

and that assumes Kate Mccann told the truth.

I do recall at the start the mccanns said the doors were locked, and that became changed to the patio door was unlocked.

you are referring to  second hand double translation...no wonder you conclusions are skewed