Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[misty]

She was an excellent witness who noted quite a few details which others may have glossed over.

Had she seen an open manhole she would have said so.  Had she seen an open manhole it is my opinion she would have called it to the attention of other searchers and had it checked out.

The continuation of her sentence mentioning the manhole was " ... ,or hit her head".  The manhole was a throwaway remark ... such as 'vanished into thin air'.

[Name removed] had been in Luz for a couple of weeks. It is highly likely she had encountered a few uncovered manholes, given the roadworks which were being carried out at the time.

[pegasus]

She was an excellent witness who noted quite a few details which others may have glossed over.

Had she seen an open manhole she would have said so.  Had she seen an open manhole it is my opinion she would have called it to the attention of other searchers and had it checked out.

The continuation of her sentence mentioning the manhole was " ... ,or hit her head".  The manhole was a throwaway remark ... such as 'vanished into thin air'.

"I thought maybe she had fallen down a manhole ..." is not a throwaway remark. It is a very specific fear, very probably based IMO on having seen an open manhole that evening. Exactly the same fear as stated by  tourist RM who definitely did see an open manhole "I am concerned that she may have fallen down the manhole and was not seen".

[Brietta]

"I thought maybe she had fallen down a manhole ..." is not a throwaway remark. It is a very specific fear, very probably based IMO on having seen an open manhole that evening. Exactly the same fear as stated by  tourist RM who definitely did see an open manhole "I am concerned that she may have fallen down the manhole and was not seen".

I cannot find anything about the tourist who saw the cover off the manhole.  Do you have a cite?  From what I remember he was returning home and was unaware at the time that a little girl was missing.

Ms Jensen was actively searching for a missing child ... do you think it feasible that having seen an uncovered manhole she would not have raised merry hell about it?

[Anna]

I cannot find anything about the tourist who saw the cover off the manhole.  Do you have a cite?  From what I remember he was returning home and was unaware at the time that a little girl was missing.

Ms Jensen was actively searching for a missing child ... do you think it feasible that having seen an uncovered manhole she would not have raised merry hell about it?

Is this it?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post552.html#p552

[pegasus]

I cannot find anything about the tourist who saw the cover off the manhole.  Do you have a cite?  From what I remember he was returning home and was unaware at the time that a little girl was missing.

Ms Jensen was actively searching for a missing child ... do you think it feasible that having seen an uncovered manhole she would not have raised merry hell about it?

Morgan is the name Brietta, and the street that fits his description best is Rua Martins IMO.

It's interesting that the other witness ([Name removed]) who mentions a manhole, had just walked from tapas reception downhill along Rua Martins towards the town centre, when she heard the noise of the alarm being raised.

[Brietta]

Is this it?
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post552.html#p552

Thank you, Anna, that is it. 

[pegasus]

What is round and exactly half-way between the lamppost and the reception door?
It's not a riddle.

[misty]

There were cars using & parked on that road, Pegasus. I thought you'd be looking more at the side road junction towards the laundry.

[pegasus]

There were cars using & parked on that road, Pegasus. I thought you'd be looking more at the side road junction towards the laundry.

I posted this one first only because it would combine MWT theory (wandered then disappeared near tapas reception) and a GNR dog (lost scent between lamppost and tapas reception?).


 
 

[misty]

I posted this one first only because it would combine MWT theory (wandered then disappeared near tapas reception) and a GNR dog (lost scent between lamppost and tapas reception?).

If Madeleine had fallen down the manhole there, then it would have been expected the GNR specialist dogs show a lot of interest. I also don't think a manhole along that stretch of road to the supermarket would have remained uncovered for very long because of certain damage to vehicles.
I think she would have remained on the pavement until the first junction, had she wandered.

[pegasus]

If Madeleine had fallen down the manhole there, then it would have been expected the GNR specialist dogs show a lot of interest. I also don't think a manhole along that stretch of road to the supermarket would have remained uncovered for very long because of certain damage to vehicles.
I think she would have remained on the pavement until the first junction, had she wandered.

Yes the most likely place for a manhole with both cover and frame removed is the town centre area which was being completely resurfaced, and that would place it possibly on Rua H Baptista.
But Rua Martins fits witness RM's description much better IMO - because it is near the apartment and tapas, as the witness states

[Brietta]

Yes the most likely place for a manhole with both cover and frame removed is the town centre area which was being completely resurfaced, and that would place it possibly on Rua H Baptista.
But Rua Martins fits witness RM's description much better IMO - because it is near the apartment and tapas, as the witness states

**Snip
I would further like to say that in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine, I saw a manhole with a cover removed.

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment. The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.

The road is lit by street lighting but I believe you would not have seen the hole and anyone could have fallen in.

I returned the next day and noticed that the cover had been replaced. I am concerned that she may have fallen down the manhole and was not seen.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post552.html#p552

Mr Morgan's undated statement is quite specific that the men who raised his concerns visited their villa on the day Madeleine disappeared.

He does not specify exactly when he saw the uncovered manhole although he thought it pertinent to mention it in relation to the circumstances.

We watched Scotland Yard lifting manhole covers and checking drains ... is it possible this is a diligence which wasn't carried out at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ... particularly if witnesses like Mr Morgan had flagged up open manholes in the vicinity?

The interior of the manholes which Heri photographed portray only small apertures for drainage ... "I saw manholes in all Praia da Luz streets, and even in the small isolated hill to the West. I took photos of many of them, including the inside of two, where you can see that the connecting pipes are too small in diameter for a toddler body. And it is not impossible but not easy to open it without proper tools, as the ones used by the maintenance personnel. Were all these manholes properly searched?"
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html


      ... was the interior of the open manhole Mr Morgan worried about like this one?  Apart from his statement there seems to be no other information about it.

[Anna]

**Snip
I would further like to say that in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine, I saw a manhole with a cover removed.

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment. The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.

The road is lit by street lighting but I believe you would not have seen the hole and anyone could have fallen in.

I returned the next day and noticed that the cover had been replaced. I am concerned that she may have fallen down the manhole and was not seen.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post552.html#p552

Mr Morgan's undated statement is quite specific that the men who raised his concerns visited their villa on the day Madeleine disappeared.

He does not specify exactly when he saw the uncovered manhole although he thought it pertinent to mention it in relation to the circumstances.

We watched Scotland Yard lifting manhole covers and checking drains ... is it possible this is a diligence which wasn't carried out at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ... particularly if witnesses like Mr Morgan had flagged up open manholes in the vicinity?

The interior of the manholes which Heri photographed portray only small apertures for drainage ... "I saw manholes in all Praia da Luz streets, and even in the small isolated hill to the West. I took photos of many of them, including the inside of two, where you can see that the connecting pipes are too small in diameter for a toddler body. And it is not impossible but not easy to open it without proper tools, as the ones used by the maintenance personnel. Were all these manholes properly searched?"
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html


      ... was the interior of the open manhole Mr Morgan worried about like this one?  Apart from his statement there seems to be no other information about it.

Lots of manhole info here, if any good.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6083.msg239510#msg239510

[G-Unit]

Yes the most likely place for a manhole with both cover and frame removed is the town centre area which was being completely resurfaced, and that would place it possibly on Rua H Baptista.
But Rua Martins fits witness RM's description much better IMO - because it is near the apartment and tapas, as the witness states

Mr M says it was on a junction - so the junction of two roads. Two road runs parallel to the supermarket, one in front (R Primeiro de Maio) and one behind (R Gentil Martins). They are joined by R Joaquim Teixeita, and at the junction of R Joaquim Teixeita and R Primeiro de Malo is a manhole cover. I think he was describing the supermarket as being near the Tapas bar and the McCann's apartment, not the road. Could this be the route the Jensen sisters were taking to the bars for their 'nightcap' too? Out of Tapas reception, turn right, turn right at supermarket then left down R Primeiro de Maio? Maybe they saw the same manhole cover off.

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment. The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/REX-MORGAN.htm

[pegasus]

Mr M says it was on a junction - so the junction of two roads. Two road runs parallel to the supermarket, one in front (R Primeiro de Maio) and one behind (R Gentil Martins). They are joined by R Joaquim Teixeita, and at the junction of R Joaquim Teixeita and R Primeiro de Malo is a manhole cover. I think he was describing the supermarket as being near the Tapas bar and the McCann's apartment, not the road. Could this be the route the Jensen sisters were taking to the bars for their 'nightcap' too? Out of Tapas reception, turn right, turn right at supermarket then left down R Primeiro de Maio? Maybe they saw the same manhole cover off.

This manhole is situated on a junction of a road that runs parallel to the supermarket near to the Tapas Bar and the McCanns apartment. The cover along with the surround that been removed and placed to the side of the road.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/REX-MORGAN.htm

If you look at that round manhole in road at the middle of junction Rua 1 Maio / Rua J Teixeira see the ring around it of different tarmac, that means (most of the large round manholes in PDL are the sam.) at some date the cover and the frame have been replaced (as per RM statement).

Also see there is another round manhole on the pavement on SE corner of this junction. A manhole on the pavement surface is probably more likely to be left open than one on the road surface? (no risk of damaging cars). Also more likely to be walked on by a pedestrian?