Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[G-Unit]

"It is important to state that this tracking work was carried out in an urban area and more than 24 hours after the girl's disappearance."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html

 I would like to clarify that a search in a bad area, where a more intense odour perceived by the sniffer dog, such as in an urban area due to the large concentration of external odours, make it possible to confuse the dog. In this situation, search activity is very difficult as is the case when some time has passed since the event in question.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

He comes to the process in the role of Chief of the GNR Search and Rescue Team.

Search and rescue dogs usually work in tracking lost people in the wilderness (open areas) not in a residential area. That is self-explanatory.

The first search was done at 11pm on 4th, so not too bad.

[pathfinder73]

No they can't.

Read (again) what their handlers said.

They wouldn't have been given her blanket if they couldn't do it  *&*%£

[pathfinder73]

The first search was done at 11pm on 4th, so not too bad.

Yes started just over 24 hours. Shame it wasn't Eddie and Keela that early instead. Them and their car would be tracked  %£&)**#

[ferryman]

They wouldn't have been given her blanket if they couldn't do it  *&*%£

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.

[G-Unit]

Well spotted.

I don't think it changes things dramatically though.
I also don't think it changes which car park it was where the dogs lost interest.

I think that could have been quite dramatic had it been the parking area of Block 6.  Jane Tanner did not watch to see where the man she saw was going simply because she didn't think it suspicious at the time.  So his destination could have been to his parked vehicle.

The newspaper graphic is lazy (although not as inaccurate as the first one printed) ... just showing the route cutting straight across the road from the lane then to the car park.  It is clearly stated in the files that one of the dogs cut back across the road to the tapas door before returning to the area of the car park where he lost interest.

The graphic doesn't touch on that.  Just as it doesn't show the turn to the left as far as the lamppost prior to turning right and heading back down the road.

It is actually from the files, I was wrong, but it doesn't give the true picture according to what the handler said.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MAPS_PJ.htm#p3p829

[pathfinder73]

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.

I'm talking about tracking on the 4th May. You are talking about another search - searching apartments on a later date and yes of course it's not the tracking dogs normal working conditions.

[G-Unit]

I'm talking about tracking on the 4th May. You are talking about another search - searching apartments on a later date and yes of course it's not the tracking dogs normal working conditions.

The search report says blanket for the 4th, but that was given for the second apartment searches later. The towel was used on 4th. Harrison was talkng about the outside searches not the searches of the apartments at all.

[ferryman]

I'm talking areal-scent dogs Zarus and Rex, pressed into service as "tracker" dogs, which they were not.

What are you talking about?

[pathfinder73]

I'm talking areal-scent dogs Zarus and Rex, pressed into service as "tracker" dogs, which they were not.

What are you talking about?

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).

After the officers had been updated about facts relating to the disappearance, they tried to reconstruct the route the girl might have taken with the two tracker dogs. For this purpose the dogs were given a blanket to sniff, provided by the parents, which had been used by Madeleine.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

[ferryman]

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).

After the officers had been updated about facts relating to the disappearance, they tried to reconstruct the route the girl might have taken with the two tracker dogs. For this purpose the dogs were given a blanket to sniff, provided by the parents, which had been used by Madeleine.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

Seemingly unlike you, yes ....

[mercury]

Context Ferryman, not cherrypicking. The writer of this report does not say Rex is not a tracking dog. He says searchng a bunch of apartments is not usual or within the training of this tracker dog.

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On 7th May the same searches were continued, being extended to to the entire northern part of Almadena to the site of Espojeiro and the verges of the EN125 until the Boi valley.

At about 19.. the undersigned officer, accompanied by the Commander, Officer Silva, took part in a meetings with the PJ Directorate, being asked by the PJ about the viability of giving the girl's clothes to the dogs for the dogs to sniff again, and if by means of the odour inhaled, they would be able to mark an identical odour in one of the resort apartments even though its door was closed.

With regard to this task, Officer Silva referred to the fact that the time that had passed would be a crucial condition for the dogs' work in obtaining results and that the entirety of the human odours existing in the apartments and access paths could make the dogs' searches very difficult. However, in spite of not being a normal situation for tracking, it could be attempted, whilst the operation should be carried out as quickly as possible and not directed towards one but to all the apartments in the resort, it being appropriate for the handler not to know which apartment was chosen, so as not the be conditioned.

In this concrete situation, the objective would be for the dogs to carry out a discontinuous search, in other words, to sniff the girl's clothes and immediately search near to the apartments, checking to see if there was any change in the behaviour of the dogs.

At about 23.00 accompanied by a PJ inspector, the searches were begun. After Rex was given the girl's clothing to sniff, [he began to search on the ground floor of block 5 and when he passed the door of apartment 5 A (the place the girl had disappeared from) according to his handler, officer Fernandes, the dog altered its behaviour, sniffing with greater intensity than he had done before. Apartment 5J of the same block was also checked as the dog had been more agitated than before as if there were a very strong strange odour there. It was stated that this apartment had been unoccupied for some time. Afterwards, the same kind of search was carried out using the dog Zarus which in general terms showed the same behaviour in the same places as Rex had done.

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.


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[ferryman]

Context Ferryman, not cherrypicking. The writer of this report does not say Rex is not a tracking dog. He says searchng a bunch of apartments is not usual or within the training of this tracker dog.

***

On 7th May the same searches were continued, being extended to to the entire northern part of Almadena to the site of Espojeiro and the verges of the EN125 until the Boi valley.

At about 19.. the undersigned officer, accompanied by the Commander, Officer Silva, took part in a meetings with the PJ Directorate, being asked by the PJ about the viability of giving the girl's clothes to the dogs for the dogs to sniff again, and if by means of the odour inhaled, they would be able to mark an identical odour in one of the resort apartments even though its door was closed.

With regard to this task, Officer Silva referred to the fact that the time that had passed would be a crucial condition for the dogs' work in obtaining results and that the entirety of the human odours existing in the apartments and access paths could make the dogs' searches very difficult. However, in spite of not being a normal situation for tracking, it could be attempted, whilst the operation should be carried out as quickly as possible and not directed towards one but to all the apartments in the resort, it being appropriate for the handler not to know which apartment was chosen, so as not the be conditioned.

In this concrete situation, the objective would be for the dogs to carry out a discontinuous search, in other words, to sniff the girl's clothes and immediately search near to the apartments, checking to see if there was any change in the behaviour of the dogs.

At about 23.00 accompanied by a PJ inspector, the searches were begun. After Rex was given the girl's clothing to sniff, [he began to search on the ground floor of block 5 and when he passed the door of apartment 5 A (the place the girl had disappeared from) according to his handler, officer Fernandes, the dog altered its behaviour, sniffing with greater intensity than he had done before. Apartment 5J of the same block was also checked as the dog had been more agitated than before as if there were a very strong strange odour there. It was stated that this apartment had been unoccupied for some time. Afterwards, the same kind of search was carried out using the dog Zarus which in general terms showed the same behaviour in the same places as Rex had done.

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.


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Thank you for finding that; indeed, what I was looking for.

Ally it to this:

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.

Not sure how there could be any other conclusion than that dogs were pressed into a role not naturally theirs ...

[mercury]

Thank you for finding that; indeed, what I was looking for.

Ally it to this:

Not sure how there could be any other conclusion than that dogs were pressed into a role not naturally theirs ...

Youre welcome

The role they were pressed into, just in case something worked, time was almost run out, if not already, was getting them around a bunch of apartments which is not how tracking dogs work./were trained..ie they follow rather than be led, thats what was not normal, thats what they meant..it seems a stab at anything that might have led to a clue or a discovery was worth it, however "remote" the word actually being used too

[Brietta]

Youre welcome

The role they were pressed into, just in case something worked, time was almost run out, if not already, was getting them around a bunch of apartments which is not how tracking dogs work./were trained..ie they follow rather than be led, thats what was not normal, thats what they meant..it seems a stab at anything that might have led to a clue or a discovery was worth it, however "remote" the word actually being used too

Which was exactly the right thing to do with them in the absence of any other leads, although from what I have read I think the presence of a lot of people might have been a distraction as far as confusing their noses went.

I think the searches the teams carried out in the environs of Luz would have discovered Madeleine had she been hastily hidden from view.

[mercury]

Which was exactly the right thing to do with them in the absence of any other leads, although from what I have read I think the presence of a lot of people might have been a distraction as far as confusing their noses went.

I think the searches the teams carried out in the environs of Luz would have discovered Madeleine had she been hastily hidden from view.

The first use of the tracker dogs around 24 hours later did not go anywhere near other apartments..if they were good at their job it was the correct path they trailed...to the car park..whether that path was a normal one madeleine will have taken or something abnormal is anyones guess....the dogs used days later around adjoining apartments sniffing food probably means just and only that IMO