Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[ferryman]

Provide a cite?

On 7th May the same searches were continued, being extended to to the entire northern part of Almadena to the site of Espojeiro and the verges of the EN125 until the Boi valley.

At about 19.. the undersigned officer, accompanied by the Commander, Officer Silva, took part in a meetings with the PJ Directorate, being asked by the PJ about the viability of giving the girl's clothes to the dogs for the dogs to sniff again, and if by means of the odour inhaled, they would be able to mark an identical odour in one of the resort apartments even though its door was closed.

With regard to this task, Officer Silva referred to the fact that the time that had passed would be a crucial condition for the dogs' work in obtaining results and that the entirety of the human odours existing in the apartments and access paths could make the dogs' searches very difficult. However, in spite of not being a normal situation for tracking, it could be attempted, whilst the operation should be carried out as quickly as possible and not directed towards one but to all the apartments in the resort, it being appropriate for the handler not to know which apartment was chosen, so as not the be conditioned.

In this concrete situation, the objective would be for the dogs to carry out a discontinuous search, in other words, to sniff the girl's clothes and immediately search near to the apartments, checking to see if there was any change in the behaviour of the dogs.

At about 23.00 accompanied by a PJ inspector, the searches were begun. After Rex was given the girl's clothing to sniff, [he began to search on the ground floor of block 5 and when he passed the door of apartment 5 A (the place the girl had disappeared from) according to his handler, officer Fernandes, the dog altered its behaviour, sniffing with greater intensity than he had done before. Apartment 5J of the same block was also checked as the dog had been more agitated than before as if there were a very strong strange odour there. It was stated that this apartment had been unoccupied for some time. Afterwards, the same kind of search was carried out using the dog Zarus which in general terms showed the same behaviour in the same places as Rex had done.

It was only when all the searches of the apartments in blocks 4 and 5 were complete, that the behaviour described above was registered. It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.

Ally that to Mark Harrison's comment that the GNR deployed air-scenting dogs (of the type that search the generic human scent, not the individual and unique one.

Harrison knew what he was talking about ....

[pathfinder73]

You have proved again that you don't know what you're going on about. Thank you.

Officer Silva referred to the fact that the time that had passed would be a crucial condition for the dogs' work in obtaining results and that the entirety of the human odours existing in the apartments and access paths could make the dogs' searches very difficult. However, in spite of not being a normal situation for tracking, it could be attempted, whilst the operation should be carried out as quickly as possible.

[ferryman]

You have proved again that you don't know what you're going on about. Thank you.

Officer Silva referred to the fact that the time that had passed would be a crucial condition for the dogs' work in obtaining results and that the entirety of the human odours existing in the apartments and access paths could make the dogs' searches very difficult. However, in spite of not being a normal situation for tracking, it could be attempted, whilst the operation should be carried out as quickly as possible.

It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in, but given that these types of dogs manage to discriminate a specific odour from others, although it could be a remote possibility that they related the odour of the missing girl with a possible location where she could have been.

Mangle, misconstrue or misinterpret that any way you want.

There is only one (semantically correct!) meaning to the words.

The dog was of a breed that can be trained to track the individual and unique scent.

But it hadn't been.

[pathfinder73]

Tracking dogs track human scent. When given a blanket there job is to track that scent. There was a lot of human scents in that pathway and apartments so it is hard for the dog to track with so many scents after 24 hours. It is not their usual area being out tracking a lost person through fields and open country. Not at a MW holiday resort apartment block

[ferryman]

Tracking dogs track human scent. When given a blanket there job is to track that scent. There was a lot of human scents in that pathway and apartments so it is hard for the dog to track with so many scents after 24 hours. It is not their usual area being out tracking a lost person through fields and open country. Not at a MW holiday resort apartment block

It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in ...

Read, and inwardly digest ....

[G-Unit]

It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs were trained in ...

Read, and inwardly digest ....

Most of the quotes you are using are from the report by Luis Manuel Goncalves Sequeira, the Major in charge of all the searching. If you read Officer Fernandes' statement some of the details differ. Fernandes never had a blanket or any clothes belonging to the child, just a bath towel.



Officer Fernandes handled the dogs. Twice. The first time was on 4th May, the second time on 7th May. Each time they sniffed a towel which had (allegedly) been used by Madeleine. On the 4th the dogs went left from the front door of G5A, went through the path between blocks 4 and 5 and returned along the pathway etc.

 he states that it can be confirmed with a certain degree of certainty that the missing minor passed that location, on the day of the events or before that date.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO_ESTEVES.htm

So whoever used that towel had passed that location. On 7th, using the same towel, the dogs searched inside the apartments. They showed interest in G5A, G5H, G5J and the G4 apartment which the McCanns had moved into. Afterwards they went outside and followed the same track as on the 4th.

I'm not convinced that the dogs were following Madeleine's scent from that towel. If they were, why were they interested in the apartment in block 4, where she never went?

Officer Fernandes' dogs were tracker dogs, not search and rescue dogs.

Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

Tracking is a technique in which dogs are trained to locate certain objects by using the object's scent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_(dog)

[ferryman]

Most of the quotes you are using are from the report by Luis Manuel Goncalves Sequeira, the Major in charge of all the searching. If you read Officer Fernandes' statement some of the details differ. Fernandes never had a blanket or any clothes belonging to the child, just a bath towel.



Officer Fernandes handled the dogs. Twice. The first time was on 4th May, the second time on 7th May. Each time they sniffed a towel which had (allegedly) been used by Madeleine. On the 4th the dogs went left from the front door of G5A, went through the path between blocks 4 and 5 and returned along the pathway etc.

 he states that it can be confirmed with a certain degree of certainty that the missing minor passed that location, on the day of the events or before that date.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO_ESTEVES.htm

So whoever used that towel had passed that location. On 7th, using the same towel, the dogs searched inside the apartments. They showed interest in G5A, G5H, G5J and the G4 apartment which the McCanns had moved into. Afterwards they went outside and followed the same track as on the 4th.

I'm not convinced that the dogs were following Madeleine's scent from that towel. If they were, why were they interested in the apartment in block 4, where she never went?

Officer Fernandes' dogs were tracker dogs, not search and rescue dogs.

Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

Tracking is a technique in which dogs are trained to locate certain objects by using the object's scent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_(dog)

The dogs (used by the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine) weren't trained to track the individual and unique scent.

They were not suitable for the type of search asked of them in that operation.

That is what my quote says.

[pathfinder73]

The dogs (used by the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine) weren't trained to track the individual and unique scent.

They were not suitable for the type of search asked of them in that operation.

That is what my quote says.

Don't be ridiculous. That's what tracking dogs do.

[ferryman]

Don't be ridiculous. That's what tracking dogs do.

Goading post reported.

[stephen25000]

Goading post reported.

That is not goading.

However, you saying that post of Pathfinder's is, is goading.

[ferryman]

That is not goading.

However, you saying that post of Pathfinder's is, is goading.

In respect of your second post, it might be said you catch on fast.

However, your first tends to contradict that assessment ...

[stephen25000]

In respect of your second post, it might be said you catch on fast.

However, your first tends to contradict that assessment ...

Incorrect as usual.

[pathfinder73]

Goading post reported.

  No goading in stating the obvious that tracking dogs i.e. Rex and Zarus can track individual human scent and that's why they were given Madeleine's blanket.

[Carana]

"Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team." What do they track Ferryman?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

The original says "equipa da pistagem".

That would seem to be generic for a sniffer team.

[ferryman]

The original says "equipa da pistagem".

That would seem to be generic for a sniffer team.

Thank you Carana ...