Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[Brietta]

The original says "equipa da pistagem".

That would seem to be generic for a sniffer team.

Being guilty of it myself, I make no criticism of posters for repeating verbatim what is posted on the internet.  However it is a mistake as we have found out on many different occasions.

Mrs Fenn's statement for example is not in her words ... it is a translation of a translation (how many times and how accurately?) ... hearsay, really.  Her signature is appended to a document in Portuguese, a language she did not read or speak.

The GNR dogs did an heroic amount of work in areas they were trained in and areas they were not ... the handlers thought it was worth a try in the absence of the availability anything else in their eagerness to locate the child ... but it didn't stop them warning to the effect of "don't get your hopes up!".
That was because the dogs were trained on generic not individual human scent and the handlers knew their capabilities.

[ferryman]

Being guilty of it myself, I make no criticism of posters for repeating verbatim what is posted on the internet.  However it is a mistake as we have found out on many different occasions.

Mrs Fenn's statement for example is not in her words ... it is a translation of a translation (how many times and how accurately?) ... hearsay, really.  Her signature is appended to a document in Portuguese, a language she did not read or speak.

The GNR dogs did an heroic amount of work in areas they were trained in and areas they were not ... the handlers thought it was worth a try in the absence of the availability anything else in their eagerness to locate the child ... but it didn't stop them warning to the effect of "don't get your hopes up!".
That was because the dogs were trained on generic not individual human scent and the handlers knew their capabilities.

Flawless summary ...

[G-Unit]

The dogs (used by the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine) weren't trained to track the individual and unique scent.

They were not suitable for the type of search asked of them in that operation.

That is what my quote says.

Perhaps you should read all the statements, not just the one you prefer?

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

It is said that the tracker dogs were given a blanket and then clothes to sniff, but this is contradicted by the dog handlers (Fernandes and Freitas) who I believe would know. They refer only to a bath towel being provided.

[ferryman]

Perhaps you should read all the statements, not just the one you prefer?

At about 23.00 the extra teams that had been requested for reinforcement arrived (Officer Rosa with Oscar and Officer Martins with Fusco, both from the search and rescue unit and Officer Fernandes with Rex and Zarus from the tracking team).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

It is said that the tracker dogs were given a blanket and then clothes to sniff, but this is contradicted by the dog handlers (Fernandes and Freitas) who I believe would know. They refer only to a bath towel being provided.

Read Carana's post number 913 in this thread ....

[G-Unit]

The original says "equipa da pistagem".

That would seem to be generic for a sniffer team.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing;

equipa de pistagem
Translate from Portuguese
Team Tracking



 busco e salvamento
Translate from Portuguese
seek and rescue

[ferryman]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing;

equipa de pistagem
Translate from Portuguese
Team Tracking



 busco e salvamento
Translate from Portuguese
seek and rescue

Seek and rescue.

Or search and rescue.

In such tasks, a dog trained to track an individual and unique scent would almost as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

[G-Unit]

Seek and rescue.

Or search and rescue.

In such tasks, a dog trained to track an individual and unique scent would almost as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

Didn't you understand my post?

The dogs were from the tracking team (equipa de pistagem), different from search and rescue. (busco e salvamento)

Tracking is a technique in which dogs are trained to locate certain objects by using the object's scent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_(dog)

[ferryman]

Didn't you understand my post?

The dogs were from the tracking team (equipa de pistagem), different from search and rescue. (busco e salvamento)

Tracking is a technique in which dogs are trained to locate certain objects by using the object's scent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_(dog)

It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs [Rex and Zarus] were trained in

(GNR dog-handlers)

[G-Unit]

It is certain that this kind of work does not correspond to the area that these dogs [Rex and Zarus] were trained in

(GNR dog-handlers)

Which GNR dog handlers? Cite please to save me wading through all the files again.

[ferryman]

Which GNR dog handlers? Cite please to save me wading through all the files again.

I'm not wasting any more time.

[G-Unit]

I'm not wasting any more time.

Possibly because you're wrong. The quote is from the report by the person below who was not a dog handler, he was a GNR Major in charge of all the searches. Were you deliberately trying to mislead people or just mistaken, I wonder?

Signed
30 November 2007
Operation Commander
Major Sequeira

[pathfinder73]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing;

equipa de pistagem
Translate from Portuguese
Team Tracking



 busco e salvamento
Translate from Portuguese
seek and rescue

Thanks G. I can't believe posters don't know what tracking dogs do.

"The members of the GNR advised that the tracker dogs are trained to search mainly in rural areas, given the fact that the best capability of the animal is to identify a different and strong smell in a wide, open area."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INFORMATION-SERVICE.htm

[ferryman]

Thanks G. I can't believe posters don't know what tracking dogs do.

"The members of the GNR advised that the tracker dogs are trained to search mainly in rural areas, given the fact that the best capability of the animal is to identify a different and strong smell in a wide, open area."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/INFORMATION-SERVICE.htm

Even posters who don't know what tracking dogs do probably have an edge over posters who (seemingly) can't read ...

[pathfinder73]

Even posters who don't know what tracking dogs do probably have an edge over posters who (seemingly) can't read ...

"Ferryman: The dogs (used by the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine) weren't trained to track the individual and unique scent." #906

You cannot be serious. Back up that statement?

[ferryman]

"Ferryman: The dogs (used by the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine) weren't trained to track the individual and unique scent."

You cannot be serious. Back up that statement?

I have countless times.

And I've reported you for goading.

I may report you again.