Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[Angelo222]

joao Carlos, final PJ report.

I can't, immediately, find the passage in Kate's book where she demolishes woke and wandered.

But I'm sure someone will oblige.

A 2-year-old got out of the family home the other day and ended up dead.  A 4-year-old would have no difficulty whatsoever.

[Robittybob1]

A 2-year-old got out of the family home the other day and ended up dead.  A 4-year-old would have no difficulty whatsoever.

But did that 2 year old shut the door behind them?  I think kids of that age 2 -4 wold leave a trail of evidence behind them.  As Kate approached the gates and saw them open she would have immediately sensed Madeleine had wandered and raised the alarm immediately.

[jassi]

But did that 2 year old shut the door behind them?  I think kids of that age 2 -4 wold leave a trail of evidence behind them. As Kate approached the gates and saw them open she would have immediately sensed Madeleine had wandered and raised the alarm immediately.

Not necessarily. Both Gerry and Matt had been there since she left at 8.30. Either of them could have left the gate open.

[Angelo222]

The McCanns have to try and demolish the woke and wandered theory because if it is ever proved the focus for responsibility will go straight back to them and their failed duty of care towards the missing child.

[Angelo222]

It is implied in her book at least, somewhere  I have been aware Kate says Madeleine could not have opened the door and the gates.  Was it an interview or her book?

Every parent knows that children climb obstacles.

[Robittybob1]

Every parent knows that children climb obstacles.

OK, were they climbable?  I don't know.

[Robittybob1]

The McCanns have to try and demolish the woke and wandered theory because if it is ever proved the focus for responsibility will go straight back to them and their failed duty of care towards the missing child.

But if the gates were climbable some of the blame could go back to Ocean Club for not taking sufficient care.

[jassi]

No the blame would lie fair and square with the McCanns.

If for example you have a stair gate at home and your toddler climbs over it, you don't claim that the manufacturer is to blame.

[G-Unit]

But if the gates were climbable some of the blame could go back to Ocean Club for not taking sufficient care.

I sometimes wonder if you're for real. In your world all gates would be too high for a child to climb over? How high is that then? Higher than a surrounding wall or fence?

[stephen25000]

I sometimes wonder if you're for real. In your world all gates would be too high for a child to climb over? How high is that then? Higher than a surrounding wall or fence?

By observation, Rob will try to find any excuse for thew McCann's behaviour.

[jassi]

By observation, Rob will try to find any excuse for thew McCann's behaviour.

No doubt he'll be blaming Dave next for organising the holiday 

[G-Unit]

I wonder what Mark Williams-Thomas thinks is 'the middle of the night'.

[Robittybob1]

I sometimes wonder if you're for real. In your world all gates would be too high for a child to climb over? How high is that then? Higher than a surrounding wall or fence?

As per the building code for balustrades something like 1.100 meters of non climbable material.
David should have, you know erm, definitely checked this before they booked the, erm, holiday.

[Robittybob1]

No the blame would lie fair and square with the McCanns.

If for example you have a stair gate at home and your toddler climbs over it, you don't claim that the manufacturer is to blame.

This is a rental situation so one should expect the facilities to be safe and up to the standards.

[Robittybob1]

I wonder what Mark Williams-Thomas thinks is 'the middle of the night'.

Anytime after sunset and before sunrise.