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stephen25000

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Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1215 on: February 23, 2017, 03:46:09 PM »
They are left to fall asleep in bed all by themselves.

Responsible parents, in their millions or billions, over decades, centuries and longer, all over the world, have done precisely that.

They weren't safe ferryman.

Not left alone with infrequent and short checks.

stephen25000

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Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1216 on: February 23, 2017, 03:47:39 PM »
Pity you missed the discussion thread where the presence of Kate's fingerprints on the inside window glass was discussed in great detail ~ it was very informative.

You did however manage to understand precisely the point I made in my post about the unlikelihood that Madeleine may have met with an accident while wandering on the street.  Well spotted.

People also open windows by the fingerprint patterns shown.

Offline John

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1217 on: February 23, 2017, 03:49:44 PM »
If memory serves me well, the GNR dogs followed a trail from the door of the apartment and along the walled pathway in the direction of block 4.  They walked down the pathway between the blocks and followed the path running behind block 5 where they exited onto Rua Dr Francisco Gentil Martins prior to proceeding back up the road in the direction of Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and crossing before turning and walking back towards the car park opposite reception. (we went into this in great detail with Pegasus on one of the interminable dog threads ... Misty might remember).
They showed not the slightest interest in the exit from the garden of the McCann apartment.

I doubt Madeleine would have followed that route by herself in the dark and on foot.  If the dogs were following her scent she was being carried by an adult who was walking to a vehicle in the car park.

From the GNR search team...

Witness statement of GNR Dog Handler Antonio Freitas Silva...

That after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment block 5A and 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment. Immediately afterward, he headed in the direction of block 4, returned around block 5, and came down a road that exists between this block and the leisure area (pools, restaurants, etc). He turned right; in the direction of the aforementioned apartment and headed toward the main road. There, he crossed the street and next to the wall of block 6, turned right, and headed toward the contiguous parking area. More concretely, he headed next to a light post and sniffed the ground around that post. After this, he crossed the street again and headed toward the access zone to the restaurants and pool area, sniffing the door which was closed at that time. He again went to the parking zone, and at that point, lost the scent.
- When carrying out this operation with the second dog, he followed the same route, took the same direction and headed toward the light post in the parking lot mentioned above. He sniffed the area and at that point appeared to have lost the scent. The only difference was that this dog did not head toward the entrance of the restaurant or the pool area.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

« Last Edit: February 23, 2017, 03:52:42 PM by John »
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stephen25000

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Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1218 on: February 23, 2017, 03:49:49 PM »
This has all been discussed ad infinity over the past ten years
No doubt you will still be here in 10 yrs time saying the same things




It's as infinitum.

No davel, their behaviour was illogical and irrational in locking during the day, and leaving open at night.

Inexcusable.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1219 on: February 23, 2017, 04:03:18 PM »
They weren't safe ferryman.

Not left alone with infrequent and short checks.

Self evident...
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1220 on: February 23, 2017, 04:03:41 PM »

It's as infinitum.

No davel, their behaviour was illogical and irrational in locking during the day, and leaving open at night.

Inexcusable.

No it's ad infinitum

Offline misty

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1221 on: February 23, 2017, 04:09:56 PM »
From the GNR search team...

Witness statement of GNR Dog Handler Antonio Freitas Silva...

That after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment block 5A and 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment. Immediately afterward, he headed in the direction of block 4, returned around block 5, and came down a road that exists between this block and the leisure area (pools, restaurants, etc). He turned right; in the direction of the aforementioned apartment and headed toward the main road. There, he crossed the street and next to the wall of block 6, turned right, and headed toward the contiguous parking area. More concretely, he headed next to a light post and sniffed the ground around that post. After this, he crossed the street again and headed toward the access zone to the restaurants and pool area, sniffing the door which was closed at that time. He again went to the parking zone, and at that point, lost the scent.
- When carrying out this operation with the second dog, he followed the same route, took the same direction and headed toward the light post in the parking lot mentioned above. He sniffed the area and at that point appeared to have lost the scent. The only difference was that this dog did not head toward the entrance of the restaurant or the pool area.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

That's an incorrect translation. The Portuguese version states the dog turned LEFT there and went up towards the main road.

IMO the diagram in the files is wrong.

Offline Brietta

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1222 on: February 23, 2017, 04:19:05 PM »
From the GNR search team...

Witness statement of GNR Dog Handler Antonio Freitas Silva...

That after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment block 5A and 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment. Immediately afterward, he headed in the direction of block 4, returned around block 5, and came down a road that exists between this block and the leisure area (pools, restaurants, etc). He turned right; in the direction of the aforementioned apartment and headed toward the main road. There, he crossed the street and next to the wall of block 6, turned right, and headed toward the contiguous parking area. More concretely, he headed next to a light post and sniffed the ground around that post. After this, he crossed the street again and headed toward the access zone to the restaurants and pool area, sniffing the door which was closed at that time. He again went to the parking zone, and at that point, lost the scent.
- When carrying out this operation with the second dog, he followed the same route, took the same direction and headed toward the light post in the parking lot mentioned above. He sniffed the area and at that point appeared to have lost the scent. The only difference was that this dog did not head toward the entrance of the restaurant or the pool area.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

It is much as I remembered it, John.

Neither dog looked near the gate at 5A.  Both crossed the road before proceeding towards the car park.

If that was the route taken by Madeleine ... she was being carried to a vehicle and not wandering on her own.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1223 on: February 23, 2017, 04:30:16 PM »
Read, why they got away with it.

They thought it normal British behaviour.

IT ISN'T.
How convenient - blame the British!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1224 on: February 23, 2017, 04:33:12 PM »
No, I cannot because there was no global search for any child who drowned at sea, no fund set up, no pope or Royalty visits, world wide publicity PR campaigne telling people it was the seas fault, and the country in which the sea was accessed from, populations responsibility to stop the sea from  coming in stealing the child. Absolutly nothing was done to prevent the tide from coming in!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1225 on: February 23, 2017, 04:41:21 PM »
They are left to fall asleep in bed all by themselves.

Responsible parents, in their millions or billions, over decades, centuries and longer, all over the world, have done precisely that.
A new breed of easy-care kids!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1226 on: February 23, 2017, 04:43:18 PM »
No it's ad infinitum
Takes too long to write out in full!
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1227 on: February 23, 2017, 07:11:10 PM »
Yes, I agree with the common sense element but how many people leave their common sense at passport control when they fly off abroad?

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1228 on: February 23, 2017, 07:18:50 PM »
"Malcolm Tarling, a spokesman for the Association of British Insurers, said: “Economic conditions can impact on
insurance claims. British tourists can be easy targets and many are crime victims waiting to happen.” "


Does 'can be easy targets' translate as 'either too drunk or too stupid to take reasonable precautions? Same with 'crime victims waiting to happen'?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1229 on: February 23, 2017, 08:10:27 PM »
Does 'can be easy targets' translate as 'either too drunk or too stupid to take reasonable precautions? Same with 'crime victims waiting to happen'?


That, the view they carry with them a bit of England in a shell on their backs and being completely unaware.
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