Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[stephen25000]

A listening check was made at the McCann children's window just after nine (Matthew Oldfield) and the shutters were as they should have been at that time.

How do you know the description of the 'ambient lighting' was correct, let alone accurate.

Likewise, a listening check.  What exactly does that mean and did he actually check the children, or was he behind a door ?

[Brietta]

now  dont be such a know it all next  time

You have posted CCTV from the PARAISO C.C.T.V.PICTURES 03 MAY 2007 ... there is no CCTV at the tapas restaurant.

[Brietta]

Like the door position, how would he know how they should have been?
We don't know how visible the damage was or indeed what the damage was.
Perhaps Matt wouldn't have noticed. He didn't notice Madeleine.

I am sure he would have noticed raised shutters and an open window and remarked on it when making his police statement.

[jassi]

You have posted CCTV from the Millennium restaurant ... there is no CCTV at the tapas restaurant.

No it's not, it's the Beach restaurant, where the group minus the McCanns spent Thursday afternoon.

[Brietta]

Thank you Robbie, I have amended my post accordingly.

If the Tapas restaurant had benefited from CCTV so many questions would have been resolved as regards the timeline, but it did not which has led to so much trouble and speculation.

[carlymichelle]

No it's not, it's the Beach restaurant, where the group minus the McCanns spent Thursday afternoon.

according to the CCTV  footage  time it was  a few hours before maddie vanished

[jassi]

I am sure he would have noticed raised shutters and an open window and remarked on it when making his police statement.

He didn't manage to notice either on his visit at 9.30

[Benice]

It is generally recognised that the child carrier on the streets of Luz that night were not one and the same person.  What there are of the descriptions tends to make that clear.  Jane Tanner only saw a side view and her description of the hair length - on which she was adamant - differs.
Therefore unless Tannerman was wearing a wig or had popped in and had a quick haircut ... he was not the man encountered by the Smiths thirty five or forty minutes later.

The individual seen by Jane Tanner was carrying a barefoot child seconds away from the room from which a barefoot child would be found missing.
Had Jane Tanner been just five seconds earlier she would very likely have walked into him head on.  Had Jez Wilkins not stopped to speak with Gerry, who had just left the apartment after checking on the children, it is very likely he too would have met him head on.
There is no logical route from the creche to where he was seen ... but there is a very logical route directly from the McCann apartment.

Goncalo Amaral played down that sighting ... why?

Jane Tanner suffered years of abuse because of what she had witnessed ... why?

I have seen it written that very often the only evidence of an abduction is eye witness testimony.  Jane Tanner was an eye witness to a man carrying a child away from the immediate scene where a child vanished.
It is not rocket science to work it out.

Had the McCanns returned home to find their television gone and a man had been seen carrying a television away at the same location Jane saw the man carrying the barefoot child ... the deduction is the same for both instances one hypothetical and one fact.

IIRC Amaral didn't play down Jayne's sighting as long as he had Murat in his sights.   He was quite happy with her as a reliable witness until he had to let Murat go and decided to go after the parents instead - particularly the mother  (again).          It was only then that her sighting became an 'inconvenience' to him - and his answer to that was to do everything he could to discredit her.    Just like any good policeman would.....not
IMO

[Brietta]

No it's not, it's the Beach restaurant, where the group minus the McCanns spent Thursday afternoon.

Thank you.

The group ate in the Millennium on the Saturday of their arrival 28th April.  The still is from the Paraiso CCTV on May 3rd.

There is no CCTV in the tapas.

[faithlilly]

I don't believe they were drugged, no. Amaral stated in his book that they woke up when they were moved to another apartment - was that true or another lie iyo?

Amaral wasn't in PDL however every witness who was and mentioned the twins commented that they didn't wake even when moved to another apartment. Are you saying they are all liars?

[Brietta]

IIRC Amaral didn't play down Jayne's sighting as long as he had Murat in his sights.   He was quite happy with her as a reliable witness until he had to let Murat go and decided to go after the parents instead - particularly the mother  (again).          It was only then that her sighting became an 'inconvenience' to him - and his answer to that was to do everything he could to discredit her.    Just like any good policeman would.....not
IMO

So everything at variance with his theory of events had to be discredited or ignored.  One wonders how much information which might have been of value to actually finding Madeleine McCann might have been lost as a direct result.

What a pity the Murat villa was in direct line of the route being taken ... and the chagrin when Jane was adamant Murat was not the man she had seen upsetting that particular apple cart.

[Brietta]

Amaral wasn't in PDL however every witness who was and mentioned the twins commented that they didn't wake even when moved to another apartment. Are you saying they are all liars?

Seems it was Amaral doing the saying and writing it up in his book.

[carlymichelle]

Amaral wasn't in PDL however every witness who was and mentioned the twins commented that they didn't wake even when moved to another apartment. Are you saying they are all liars?

im not a parent faith but i find it odd that toddlers woouldnt  wake up  with so much noise etc im sure most people  do

[faithlilly]

So everything at variance with his theory of events had to be discredited or ignored.  One wonders how much information which might have been of value to actually finding Madeleine McCann might have been lost as a direct result.

What a pity the Murat villa was in direct line of the route being taken ... and the chagrin when Jane was adamant Murat was not the man she had seen upsetting that particular apple cart.

If Amaral wasn't playing down Tanner's sighting why did it prove so difficult for the McCanns to get the investigation to take it seriously?  I believe pressure was put on the Portuguese to release a photo fit of the man she saw. That certainly doesn't sound that at any time Amaral found Tanner's sighting credible or relevant, and he was eventually proved right.

[Benice]

im not a parent faith but i find it odd that toddlers woouldnt  wake up  with so much noise etc im sure most people  do

Well I am - and in my experience it's not odd at all.   I've been at wedding receptions, etc where toddlers have slept soundly in their buggies while a disco is blasting out around them.  In their time my own children have slept through thunderstorms, parties, hoovering, etc etc..    An  IMO most parents can say the same.

Gerry's son stayed asleep when he carried him down from an airplane in a noisy airport.