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Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1320 on: January 12, 2020, 09:56:44 PM »
That's true but I do recall KM saying something which started off with: 'We know our Madeleine'... and she simply would not have gone out without her shoes closing the gates behind her.

Parents often think they know their children only to be surprised.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1321 on: January 12, 2020, 10:05:14 PM »
Parents often think they know their children only to be surprised.
And some people seem to know how a child they have never even met would behave, which is even stranger IMO.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1322 on: January 12, 2020, 10:16:35 PM »
Parents often think they know their children only to be surprised.

Was there any reason why MM couldn't exit out the front door.  KM does state in her PB something like for many years she considered 'Tannerman' as MM's abductor who exited va the window but she goes on to say this might not be right and the perp may have left via the front door.  So if perp could leave via front why not MM?  Was she able to reach handle?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline misty

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1323 on: January 12, 2020, 10:34:38 PM »
Was there any reason why MM couldn't exit out the front door.  KM does state in her PB something like for many years she considered 'Tannerman' as MM's abductor who exited va the window but she goes on to say this might not be right and the perp may have left via the front door.  So if perp could leave via front why not MM?  Was she able to reach handle?

She may have been able to but would Madeleine have closed the front door behind her?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1324 on: January 12, 2020, 10:55:34 PM »
She may have been able to but would Madeleine have closed the front door behind her?

Strangely enough Gerry's sister had something to say about that. She said the front door was lying open.
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« Reply #1325 on: January 12, 2020, 11:22:13 PM »
Strangely enough Gerry's sister had something to say about that. She said the front door was lying open.

She was mistaken. Kate was the first person at the scene & made no mention of an open front door, merely the bedroom door.

Offline The General

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« Reply #1326 on: January 13, 2020, 07:27:42 AM »
She was mistaken. Kate was the first person at the scene & made no mention of an open front door, merely the bedroom door.
Lots of these 'mistakes'. Maybe they're all hard of listening.
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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1327 on: January 13, 2020, 07:39:01 AM »
I think the open window alone discarded the wandered hypothesis. The window is the key.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1328 on: January 13, 2020, 08:02:22 AM »
I think the open window alone discarded the wandered hypothesis. The window is the key.

Such a shame only two people saw it.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #1329 on: January 13, 2020, 08:04:43 AM »
Such a shame only two people saw it.
Kate and an independent witness.
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Offline Lace

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1330 on: January 13, 2020, 08:16:19 AM »
Strangely enough Gerry's sister had something to say about that. She said the front door was lying open.

Gerry's sister said that Gerry was crying so much she had difficulty hearing what he was saying.   Gerry sister no doubt heard Gerry say the bedroom door was wide open and mistook it for the front door.   IMO

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #1331 on: January 13, 2020, 08:28:32 AM »
Gerry's sister said that Gerry was crying so much she had difficulty hearing what he was saying.   Gerry sister no doubt heard Gerry say the bedroom door was wide open and mistook it for the front door.   IMO

She said; 'he was in no state to say much...he was hysterical, he was shouting'. She didn't say she had difficulty hearing what he was saying.

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Offline The General

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« Reply #1332 on: January 13, 2020, 08:38:00 AM »
Gerry's sister said that Gerry was crying so much she had difficulty hearing what he was saying.   Gerry sister no doubt heard Gerry say the bedroom door was wide open and mistook it for the front door.   IMO
But never thought to correct her at any time. Makes sense now you say it like that.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1333 on: January 13, 2020, 09:34:54 AM »
She may have been able to but would Madeleine have closed the front door behind her?

I've no idea, 

But KM saying the perp could have exited through the main door and the fact she doesn't mention it left open fits with my theory perp exited via front door.  I think most agree the door wasn't locked from within but some seem to think it wasn't possible to close it shut behind but KM seems to say otherwise.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1334 on: January 13, 2020, 09:37:54 AM »
I've no idea, 

But KM saying the perp could have exited through the main door and the fact she doesn't mention it left open fits with my theory perp exited via front door.  I think most agree the door wasn't locked from within but some seem to think it wasn't possible to close it shut behind but KM seems to say otherwise.
We are assuming the front door key is the one depicted in the crime scene photos? Which would indicate the door can be simply pulled to. Rob Ittybob has analysed this in some detail.
I don't recall any detail about 'locking' of doors at all - a mistake of both statement takers in my opinion. Surely it's pivotal?
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