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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Benita on October 23, 2013, 10:42:26 PM
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will a reopening as abduction affect the libel case against amaral ? >@@(*&)
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It won't be reopened as solely an abduction case. It's be reopened as a missing person case!
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It won't be reopened as solely an abduction case. It's be reopened as a missing person case!
yessss
not an accident, cover up, move to a fridge, transport in a car with fluids dripping onto a pavement.
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It won't be reopened as solely an abduction case. It's be reopened as a missing person case!
we'll have to wait and see..thats not for you to know though is it ?
where will amaral stand in the libel case now..thats what the topic is ..
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we'll have to wait and see..thats not for you to know though is it ?
Well that's what the portuguese speaking portion of the forum have said, so I'll take there word for it.
Maybe if you ask nicly someone will translate this for you.
http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/pj-pode-reabrir-caso-maddie.html
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Me and my imagination ......what if amaral was the one being set up .
If this case comes to an end id like to think its going to be a positive end and all involved put it down to experience .
Id like to think people would rather a live madeleine than a dead madeleine just so amarals right .
Smoke screens the lot of it ,being told crap while the real stuff goes on in the background
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will a reopening as abduction affect the libel case against amaral ? >@@(*&)
Possibly
If the case is re-opened it will certainly put paid to the ' book damaged the search' claim
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Well that's what the portuguese speaking portion of the forum have said, so I'll take there word for it.
Maybe if you ask nicly someone will translate this for you.
http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/pj-pode-reabrir-caso-maddie.html
I can translate myself thank you ...how will this effect amaral and his theories ?? stay on topic please ...
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Me and my imagination ......what if amaral was the one being set up .
If this case comes to an end id like to think its going to be a positive end and all involved put it down to experience .
Id like to think people would rather a live madeleine than a dead madeleine just so amarals right .
Smoke screens the lot of it ,being told crap while the real stuff goes on in the background
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Thank goodness these PJ Officers are leak proof!
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Gonçalo Amaral has always wanted the case reopened. Why are you worried or concerned about what he thinks or what will happen?
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we'll have to wait and see..thats not for you to know though is it ?
where will amaral stand in the libel case now..thats what the topic is ..
It won't make the slightest difference because police PR isn't of any use to either side in the courtroom.
Only evidence is, and even then only if the police are going to appear as witnesses.
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I can translate myself thank you ...how will this effect amaral and his theories ?? stay on topic please ...
You speak Portuguese? Could you create a transcript for the rest of us then?
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Thank goodness these PJ Officers are leak proof!
Apart from the junior ones lol
They dont trust anyone they are o clicky still stuck in 1974 was it dictatorship or something
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Gonçalo Amaral has always wanted the case reopened. Why are you worried or concerned about what he thinks or what will happen?
Whist, according to Kate, in her book, she and Gerry felt differently :
It may sound odd, but in some ways we were glad the investigation had been closed
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Possibly
If the case is re-opened it will certainly put paid to the ' book damaged the search' claim
the book did damage the search ..nothing will change that so wish on icab..the libel case will still gon and probably in the mccanns favour ..
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Whist, according to Kate, in her book, she and Gerry felt differently :
It may sound odd, but in some ways we were glad the investigation had been closed
if theres is one thing you should have learnt on this forum is that taking things out of context can change their whole meaning
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Gonçalo Amaral has always wanted the case reopened. Why are you worried or concerned about what he thinks or what will happen?
not worried at all ..are you ? lol ..im just curious as to where the trial will go arnt you ?
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Possibly
If the case is re-opened it will certainly put paid to the ' book damaged the search' claim
Certainly, a fortiori because this request of reopening is an initiative of the 4 PJ officers team who still works in Porto for the sake of SY. It seems they have identified witnesses who weren't investigated or nor enough. They went to the Algarve many times to collect informations that led them to ask the MP to reopen the case in order to investigate formally those witnesses.
This work shouldn't be confused with the work ot the Faro team which has been created to execute the requests of SY through the rogatory mission.
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It won't be reopened as solely an abduction case. It's be reopened as a missing person case!
that's a statement...do you have anything to support that satement
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that's a statement...do you have anything to support that satement
personally - as long as it includes abduction - I wouldn't care.
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If the case re opens it won't make a shred of difference to the Amaral trial, unless of course Madeleine presents herself in court & is able to quantify the damage his book did to the search for her.
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a transcript ?
There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction, but has nothing to do with Smithman apparently nor Bundleman. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.
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Me and my imagination ......what if amaral was the one being set up .
If this case comes to an end id like to think its going to be a positive end and all involved put it down to experience .
Id like to think people would rather a live madeleine than a dead madeleine just so amarals right .
Smoke screens the lot of it ,being told crap while the real stuff goes on in the background
Smoke screens the lot of it ,being told crap while the real stuff goes on in the background
don't think so though..we been there before so many times and nothing came of it ..hope im wrong and that they are working on something in the background..
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From the piece I have translated on the other thread it appears that many of the witnesses are going to be cross-examined whatever that means in this particular context?
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There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.
lol
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There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.
Do you understand that cariad..they have a lead re an abduction
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Gonçalo Amaral has always wanted the case reopened. Why are you worried or concerned about what he thinks or what will happen?
You are close to events Montclair, do you think Dr Amaral will be elated at this development?
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There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction, but has nothing to do with Smithman apparently nor Bundleman. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.
but you don't matter do you its just your opinion anne 8(0(*
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Elated my bottom, it's the last thing he wanted.
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Elated my bottom, it's the last thing he wanted.
Don't count on it.
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To answer the question in the title of this thread.
He stands firmly in the dock, where he has been standing for the duration of this trial, accused with others of libel.
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How many times has he had to swear on the bible now?
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To answer the question in the title of this thread.
He stands firmly in the dock, where he has been standing for the duration of this trial, accused with others of libel.
true...
nice to see you gilet 8((()*/
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You are close to events Montclair, do you think Dr Amaral will be elated at this development?
Amaral might have wanted the case re-opened but he sure as hell will not be elated at the prospect of it being re-opened with abduction as the thesis. He has spent years defending a completely different thesis.
His problem, of course, is that he has no actual evidence with which to support his thesis other than his misinterpretation of the cadaver alerts and his idea that there are discrepancies in the stories (neither of which actually amount to real evidence). Whereas the case can only be re-opened if there is substantial (ie of substance) evidence pointing to a new line of inquiry. It would appear that new evidence points firmly at abduction.
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From the piece I have translated on the other thread it appears that many of the witnesses are going to be cross-examined whatever that means in this particular context?
That is interesting. What's ITV saying about three lines of inquiry?
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There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction, but has nothing to do with Smithman apparently nor Bundleman. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.
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Clearly the Portuguese professionals do believe that abduction is very possible and believe that they have sufficient evidence of that to petition for a re-opening of the case.
It is a shame that this evidence wasn't found by the initial PJ team led by Amaral because it looks more and more likely that they were on a wild goose chase rather than doing a proper investigation of a missing child case.
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Elated my bottom, it's the last thing he wanted.
I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
And one can only wonder why?
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they have sufficient evidence of that to petition for a re-opening of the case.
There's no petition, just a request.
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
The Mccanns, very wisely, have taken great care NOT to fall out with anyone who might be able to help them find Madeleine
They must have felt like scratching Amarals eyes out at several times when he was co-ordinator, but they kept quiet. Knowing that to get full co-operation they could not afford to fall out with anyone on the case.
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There's no petition, just a request.
Don't be so foolishly pedantic especially when you are out of your depth. "Petitioning for something" is, in English (a language you clearly are not truly familiar with), another way of saying "requesting something" in a formal manner to a superior authority.
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
It took me just two minutes to find this article from last year where the McCanns are clearly, with the support of Clarence Mitchell, expressing the strong desire that the case be re-opened in Portugal.
Sadie is spot on when she states that the McCanns (probably advised by that PR company you mention and their legal team) were not going to upset the apple cart by wild and pointless demands. They knew as all those who have studied the case knew that no amount of pleading or petitioning would get the case re-opened. That needed actual new evidence.
The whole premise of your argument has faltered at the first hurdle in that what you claimed is simply not true.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html
And just to add two-pennyworth to the reconstruction debate, a reconstruction could only have taken place after the archival if the case had been re-opened. A reconstruction is not in itself evidence. There was no way that offering to do the reconstruction would automatically have led to the case being re-opened in order that a reconstruction might take place which then might lead to new evidence.
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
Interesting overview.
The review they obtained, the abduction one, was a good compromise because SY was in charge. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. The autopsy of the Portuguese investigation could never be conclusive but abduction was the magic word for two and a half years, now, and hopefully will be engraved in marble.
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Interesting overview.
The review they obtained, the abduction one, was a good compromise because SY was in charge. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. The autopsy of the Portuguese investigation could never be conclusive but abduction was the magic word for two and a half years, now, and hopefully will be engraved in marble.
Well it would be interesting if it contained any truth. Unfortunately it doesn't.
The McCanns have frequently asked that the case be re-opened in Portugal and have regularly lamented the fact that the Portuguese were unwilling to do this. Just one example found after a couple of minute's searching here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html
Your jibe that the review obtained was an "abduction one" is without foundation. Just because you are unaware of the full nature of the full inquiry done by Operation Grange you make the presumption that no review of the potential McCann involvement was done. As I reflected earlier, amateur presumption about cases rarely takes in the whole picture.
Are you now suggesting that the Portuguese Policia Judiciara have been duped by Operation Grange Officers? Are you suggesting that the petitioning of their superiors for the cass to be re-opened to look into this new evidence regarding abduction is a sham? Why are you so dismissive of these people?
The fact is that there are indications of a potential abduction, evidence in fact, and whether you choose to ignore that or not is utterly irrelevant because like us all you are simply an online commentator and not an expert.
Not only have the SY experts come down in favour of an abduction but so clearly have the PJ who have been working on the case. Your pretence that is not the case is helping no-one, least of all Amaral.
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Don't be so foolishly pedantic especially when you are out of your depth. "Petitioning for something" is, in English (a language you clearly are not truly familiar with), another way of saying "requesting something" in a formal manner to a superior authority.
What an amazingly rude individual !
There's no formal request here, no petition, whether you like it or not. Inform yourself about the relations of the MP and the PJ.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html
"the couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said"
Gospel then!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html
"the couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said"
Gospel then!
It was posted in response to Icabodcrane's contention that neither Mitchell nor the McCanns had made such a request. It proves that he was wrong on both counts.
As regards it being 'gospel' or not. In this case I would suggest, yes it is the truth as it merely confirms what the McCanns themselves have publicly said.
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Portuguese police set to re-open Madeleine McCann investigation – five years after they dropped the case
24 Oct 2013 00:00
They closed the file on the three-year-old who vanished in May 2007 during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz
Restart hunt: Portuguese police are to begin looking for Maddie again
It is five long years since police in Portugal gave up the search for Madeleine McCann.
They closed the file on the three-year-old who vanished in May 2007 during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz.
Now, in a dramatic development, they are seeking permission to reopen the investigation which they shelved in 2008.
And it is largely down to a number of new leads uncovered by cold case detectives from Britain.
A team of officers from the Policia Judiciaria, based in Porto, have already started working alongside the Scotland Yard team.
And they are understood to have issued an official request to relaunch the search after considering new material from the UK.
Sources say an official announcement is expected today. Under Portuguese law the probe can only be reopened after a ruling by senior prosecutors.
Pedro do Carmo, deputy head of Policia Judiciaria, last night refused to confirm or deny the move – which would be a huge boost for Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry.
It is believed that Portuguese police are now convinced the McCanns were not involved in their daughter’s disappearance and are ready to probe the abduction theory.
read more here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-police-set-2485863
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"Sources say an official announcement is expected today. Under Portuguese law the probe can only be reopened after a ruling by senior prosecutors."
Today! Whopee !
Hope that means they have the mman/men in question
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Very significant (if its true) last sentence in that Mirror article.
It is believed that Portuguese police are now convinced the McCanns were not involved in their daughter’s disappearance and are ready to probe the abduction theory.
That would put a chasm between them and Amaral and his 'thesis'.
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latest news not looking good for amaral ?>)()<
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"Sources say an official announcement is expected today. Under Portuguese law the probe can only be reopened after a ruling by senior prosecutors."
Today! Whopee !
Hope that means they have the mman/men in question
I think you are probably being too optimistic Sadie. All this means is that there is evidence. I doubt that there is an arrest of an abductor imminent. Indeed Redwood was clear this could still be a very, very long haul.
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latest news not looking good for amaral ?>)()<
I dont normally, but I think I'll join you, Benita ?>)()<
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"Sources say an official announcement is expected today. Under Portuguese law the probe can only be reopened after a ruling by senior prosecutors."
Today! Whopee !
Hope that means they have the mman/men in question
yeah hope so Sadie ..things are defo looking up for madeleine 8((()*/god bless her..
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I think you are probably being too optimistic Sadie. All this means is that there is evidence. I doubt that there is an arrest of an abductor imminent. Indeed Redwood was clear this could still be a very, very long haul.
we know it could be gilet but at last things are moving in the right direction 8((()*/
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yeah hope so Sadie ..things are defo looking up for madeleine 8((()*/god bless her..
Gawd, I hope they find her ... and well.
Therer are another 6 missing PT kids, many adult now, who need to be reunited with their families too.
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we know it could be gilet but at last things are moving in the right direction 8((()*/
Very much in the right direction. And all this could have been done back in 2007 if the original investigation had not (as the Mirror correctly puts it) been "botched".
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I think you are probably being too optimistic Sadie. All this means is that there is evidence. I doubt that there is an arrest of an abductor imminent. Indeed Redwood was clear this could still be a very, very long haul.
Oh, I am a bit diappointed if we have to wait, but so long as it happens.
That is what matters.
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It is believed that Portuguese police are now convinced the McCanns were not involved in their daughter’s disappearance and are ready to probe the abduction theory.
oh amaral do you still have that ace u ya sleeve ..cos if you do I think you gunna need it @)(++(*
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Very much in the right direction. And all this could have been done back in 2007 if the original investigation had not (as the Mirror correctly puts it) been "botched".
"botched" is a word that has been used a lot in this case but that was down to amaral for taking the iinvestigation in the wrong direction in the first place..
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It is believed that Portuguese police are now convinced the McCanns were not involved in their daughter’s disappearance and are ready to probe the abduction theory.
oh amaral do you still have that ace u ya sleeve ..cos if you do I think you gunna need it @)(++(*
That ace is so elusive.
I wonder has he forgotten where he hid it?
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...removed abusive quote ...
You have possible hit the nail on the head there.
Otherwise what possible explanation could there be for him not coming forward and getting the case re-opened by using this "ace". After all Icabodcrane and Anne Guedes have both claimed he has loudly been requesting the re-opening (though neither has offered any evidence of that) so why not instead of this requesting just go and hand in the ace?
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective
My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted
I base that opinion on the fact that they never ASKED for it to be re-opened ... they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ... they never used their hired PR people to that end ... they never had Clarence Mitchell once say how 'ludicrous' it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case
They could have been screaming from the roof tops for the Portuguese police to re-open the case, and had enormous backing for their plea
... except they never made the plea, did they ?
I'm bringing this post here as one opens a window to get fresh air in and miasma out.
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wonder when amaral is gunna shout "stunt"...
You know what .if he really did believe his theory (because of what ever reason ) then it is probably driving him mad not being involved .
I often said many times what if he was set up .
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You know what .if he really did believe his theory (because of what ever reason ) then it is probably driving him mad not being involved .
I often said many times what if he was set up .
what do you mean set up ?...are you thinking about the forensic results ..ie dogs
would be interesting to know what amaral is thinking right now ?
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And who would stand to gain ? - the Portuguese could have just removed him, as indeed they did.
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what do you mean set up ?...are you thinking about the forensic results ..ie dogs
would be interesting to know what amaral is thinking right now ?
Yep 100%
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Yep 100%
he misunderstood them anyway...
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and to think his supporters believed him 8-)(--)
They did indeed, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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They did indeed, despite all evidence to the contrary.
I know ..holding onto it for 6 whole years.. did that not ring any bells with them .."ding dong" @)(++(*
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Posters should by now realise that personal insults made against real people will not be permitted. If any have been missed by the mods I would be grateful if they are reported. If anyone has knowingly made such a comment today they are free to edit their post before sanctions are applied.
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The PJ statement says nothing about the parents being eliminated as suspects and they would never say anything of the kind since the "segredo de justiça" is being implemented. Also, I noted that in the McCanns statement on their FB page nothing is said about their status. This news about them not being suspects came from their lawyer, Rogério Alves, with his lawyer speak.
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The PJ statement says nothing about the parents being eliminated as suspects and they would never say anything of the kind since the "segredo de justiça" is being implemented. Also, I noted that in the McCanns statement on their FB page nothing is said about their status. This news about them not being suspects came from their lawyer, Rogério Alves, with his lawyer speak.
Actually he justified he would request the assistant statute because the investigation concerned the abduction and not his clients' responsibility.
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What would the reason be for granting them such a status ?
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The answer to the question "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand?" should surely be that it depends on the final conclusions of the new investigation.
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The answer to the question "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand?" should surely be that it depends on the final conclusions of the new investigation.
In the end that is true, but in the meantime he is involved in the libel trial. I wonder if the OP was intrigued to know if the Portuguese statements regarding new lines of enquiry might impact on his position in that trial?
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Surely, the question of whether Amaral is guilty of libel or not will also only be apparent after the results of the new investigation are released (if they are decisive).
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Surely, the question of whether Amaral is guilty of libel or not will also only be apparent after the results of the new investigation are released (if they are decisive).
The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.
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The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.
Part of the claim for damages was that Dr Amaral had negativity affected the search for Madeleine. That's definitely out the window now. I wonder if the McCanns can retract that part now?
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Part of the claim for damages was that Dr Amaral had negativity affected the search for Madeleine. That's definitely out the window now. I wonder if the McCanns can retract that part now?
I think you'll find the claim relates to pain and suffering caused.
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I think you'll find the claim relates to pain and suffering caused.
And the libellous nature of his book.
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Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.
This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.
It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person.
And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.
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Eleanor, I'm not sure that's correct. Amaral was taken off the case a long time ago. The Portuguese police have been carrying out a review. Scotland Yard has also been doing its review for over 2 years. The best they can come up with is 5-year-old efits and dismissing the "evidence" of one of the Tapas Seven.
If you want to make such claims you actually have to back them up with real arguments as to exactly how, in your view, Amaral has had such a pervasive effect on the case.
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Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.
This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.
It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person.
And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.
After reading your 'spleen venting' post so am I - as you are hardly exuding love and goodwill yourself to the supporters of the family are you? In fact you seem to be doing exactly the same thing to them as you are accusing them of doing. Pot kettle and black indeed.
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The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.
Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.
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Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.
They don't have to quantify the damage the book did to the search. Look at the writ.
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After reading your 'spleen venting' post so am I - as you are hardly exuding love and goodwill yourself to the supporters of the family are you? In fact you seem to be doing exactly the same thing to them as you are accusing them of doing. Pot kettle and black indeed.
I am not exuding hate and bad will towards anyone.
I'm simply stating my exasperation at the obsession family supporters have over Amaral and highlighting their hypocrisy around the word "[ censored word ]".
Are you suggesting to point this out in this manner means one is venting ones spleen?
What an odd position to adopt.
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And the libellous nature of his book.
Were it libellous the ban request would have been maintained. This is no chef of accusation.
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Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
Logically. The MP had offered the opportunity to prove their abduction claim was effectively the unique solution. Their refusal has nothing to do with Mr Amaral as it was under the coordination of Mr Rebelo.
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Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.
You need to check amarals witness statements..from what Ive seen none of them have read the book so how can they confirm anything
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Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.
This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.
It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person.
And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.
This man obviously inspires passions and without his knowing became the target of some posters' frustrations and resentments.
Curious.
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Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.
This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.
It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person.
And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.
So you think you have to have meet someone..spoken to someone to have a rational dislike for them..you are not making much sense
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This man obviously inspires passions and without his knowing became the target of some posters' frustrations and resentments.
Curious.
For me he doesn't inspire any passions...more like disgust
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For me he doesn't inspire any passions...more like disgust
This is a passion !
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I could care less about him. He failed at investigating Madeleienes abduction due to his tunnel vision, and now blames others. He was already an Arguido in another case. He should never have been involved imo.
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I could care less about him. He failed at investigating Madeleienes abduction due to his tunnel vision, and now blames others. He was already an Arguido in another case. He should never have been involved imo.
He is a man of extremely poor character. The fact that he was ever put into a position of trust is the single most regrettable part of the original investigation.
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He is a man of extremely poor character. The fact that he was ever put into a position of trust is the single most regrettable part of the original investigation.
I couldn't agree more Victoria.
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You need to check amarals witness statements..from what Ive seen none of them have read the book so how can they confirm anything
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2591.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2601.0
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Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.
EXACTLY. All we have heard from McCann witnesses is how it affected the family. Not a single bit of evidence as to how it affected the search. But then again it would be hypocritical for the McCanns to say so since all their searching efforts have amounted to sitting on their asses in Rothley unless they are doing TV shows or running events. Kerry Needham puts them to shame!!
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EXACTLY. All we have heard from McCann witnesses is how it affected the family. Not a single bit of evidence as to how it affected the search. But then again it would be hypocritical for the McCanns to say so since all their searching efforts have amounted to sitting on their asses in Rothley.
I've not read all of Amarals book but I've skimmed through the tasty bits,
But then before & after its publication I've never actually 'Looked for Madeleine' anyway, neither down the back of my sofa or in the garden shed.
How can they they quantify the damage the book had on the search?
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So you think you have to have meet someone..spoken to someone to have a rational dislike for them..you are not making much sense
In order to form a proper and informed opinion on someone? Yes.
Making sense? I'll tell you what doesn't make sense. Forming abject hatred on the basis of and through the prism of the mainstream media reports given the way it contorts, spins and twists information.
As a supporter of the family, and those headlines about them back in 2007, i am surprised (well given it's you perhaps not so surprised), that you would form opinions in this way given you spend an inordinate amount of time on here talking about the importance of context and myths.
Still each to their own i suppose.
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I could care less about him. He failed at investigating Madeleienes abduction due to his tunnel vision, and now blames others. He was already an Arguido in another case. He should never have been involved imo.
My sentiments entirely LB.
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The title of this thread ...where does amaral stand..? he'll stand in the dock and cringe that things are moving in a different direction to his 8((()*/