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Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2235 on: February 20, 2016, 05:04:59 PM »
is Johnson an unusual name?

What were the officers first names?
The statement which proves the officer does exist is Cartas Rogatorias Vol 7 p 5

and here is part of the account in KM book, an excellent source, this is just after trip to BC
"When G phoned Leicestershire police to speak to DC Johnson, they were puzzled. They said ... they had no DC Johnson working for them".



Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2236 on: August 01, 2016, 12:15:16 PM »
IMO baby parents picked up babies from baby club itself.
Pegasus G-unit or anyone else - do you know what name the Wilkin's kids were listed as on the creche records I can see a "william" in the Dolphins  group and a "Susy" that seem to be signed out by JEZ or BO  in the group with Sean and Amelie.  Were they the right names?  The apartment 4GM seem to tie in with the apartment assigned to Wilkins.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2237 on: August 01, 2016, 04:29:42 PM »
Pegasus G-unit or anyone else - do you know what name the Wilkin's kids were listed as on the creche records I can see a "william" in the Dolphins  group and a "Susy" that seem to be signed out by JEZ or BO  in the group with Sean and Amelie.  Were they the right names?  The apartment 4GM seem to tie in with the apartment assigned to Wilkins.
Please check this out.   In the Jellyfish group the kid being dropped off from room G4M is a kid called “Lucy” and note he is supposed to be a boy if he is the youngest of JEZ and BO's children. You can just about make out the signatures of JEZ or BO in the creche records. But in Jez and BO statements they don't  say they occupy this room either but agree it was in block 4 G but they don't say apartment “M”.
“Jeremy and Bridget have been married for several years and have two children, XXXX (F) 3 yrs and XXXX (M) 8 months. It may be of interest to note that these names are Hebrew names and spellings have been checked.
Upon arrival in the resort they were allocated apartment O in block G4. This block being situated near the tennis courts and adjacent to the block in which the McCann's apartment was situated.”

But Jez and BO never use apartment “O” on the creche forms
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“I was with my wife Bridget O'Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O”
So from that you can possibly get G4M if the top Level is Level "O".
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Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2238 on: August 01, 2016, 05:25:16 PM »
Please check this out.   In the Jellyfish group the kid being dropped off from room G4M is a kid called “Lucy” and note he is supposed to be a boy if he is the youngest of JEZ and BO's children. You can just about make out the signatures of JEZ or BO in the creche records. But in Jez and BO statements they don't  say they occupy this room either but agree it was in block 4 G but they don't say apartment “M”.
“Jeremy and Bridget have been married for several years and have two children, XXXX (F) 3 yrs and XXXX (M) 8 months. It may be of interest to note that these names are Hebrew names and spellings have been checked.
Upon arrival in the resort they were allocated apartment O in block G4. This block being situated near the tennis courts and adjacent to the block in which the McCann's apartment was situated.”

But Jez and BO never use apartment “O” on the creche forms
.
“I was with my wife Bridget O'Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O”
So from that you can possibly get G4M if the top Level is Level "O".

The Totman family were allocated G4M.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2239 on: August 01, 2016, 06:46:59 PM »
Pegasus G-unit or anyone else - do you know what name the Wilkin's kids were listed as on the creche records I can see a "william" in the Dolphins  group and a "Susy" that seem to be signed out by JEZ or BO  in the group with Sean and Amelie.  Were they the right names?  The apartment 4GM seem to tie in with the apartment assigned to Wilkins.

Miss O was the three year old, infant A was 8 months old.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2240 on: August 01, 2016, 10:27:50 PM »
Miss O was the three year old, infant A was 8 months old.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_337.jpg
Note this was the state of knowledge as at the 27th April 2007. Could they have planned to extend their holiday so Kate thought they had booked a two week holiday, that is still possible.  We still don't seem to marry up the thoughts of Kate to the facts as presented so far.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2241 on: August 01, 2016, 10:33:53 PM »
The Totman family were allocated G4M.
I had just realised this fact prior to reading your post so I do feel confused but not really dumb.

I know the name "Jeni Weinberger" also came up before too. Also staying in the 4G block of apartments. [It can't have been this forum as there is only one mention of Jeni Weinberger this post.]
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Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2242 on: August 01, 2016, 11:13:02 PM »
I had just realised this fact prior to reading your post so I do feel confused but not really dumb.

I know the name "Jeni Weinberger" also came up before too. Also staying in the 4G block of apartments. [It can't have been this forum as there is only one mention of Jeni Weinberger this post.]

She was in G4L.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2243 on: August 01, 2016, 11:28:03 PM »
She was in G4L.
in the may 7th Statement "On Saturday , 28th April, 2007, we arrived at the Ocean Club resort, Garden Apartments, Praia da Luz, Algarve. I was with my wife Bridget O'Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O. There are about 15 to 20 apartments within each block. The McCann family was within the next block."

What is this JMO bit about?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2244 on: August 03, 2016, 12:06:15 PM »
in the may 7th Statement "On Saturday , 28th April, 2007, we arrived at the Ocean Club resort, Garden Apartments, Praia da Luz, Algarve. I was with my wife Bridget O'Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O. There are about 15 to 20 apartments within each block. The McCann family was within the next block."

What is this JMO bit about?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

When you refer to a statement it is usual to include a link as this helps readers find their way about.  On this occasion I have added it to your post.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 10:38:07 PM by John »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2245 on: August 03, 2016, 12:55:52 PM »
Please check this out.   In the Jellyfish group the kid being dropped off from room G4M is a kid called “Lucy” and note he is supposed to be a boy if he is the youngest of JEZ and BO's children. You can just about make out the signatures of JEZ or BO in the creche records. But in Jez and BO statements they don't  say they occupy this room either but agree it was in block 4 G but they don't say apartment “M”.
“Jeremy and Bridget have been married for several years and have two children, XXXX (F) 3 yrs and XXXX (M) 8 months. It may be of interest to note that these names are Hebrew names and spellings have been checked.
Upon arrival in the resort they were allocated apartment O in block G4. This block being situated near the tennis courts and adjacent to the block in which the McCann's apartment was situated.”

But Jez and BO never use apartment “O” on the creche forms
.
“I was with my wife Bridget O'Donnell, my daughter Orly, who is three (3) and Arlo, my son who is eight (8) months. We were placed into the apartment within block G4, apartment JMO on letter O”
So from that you can possibly get G4M if the top Level is Level "O".

The 3 year old was in the other Mini group [not Lobsters]. The baby was in the baby creche. There are no sign in sheets for either of them in the files.

In Block 4 were O'Donnell G40, Weinburger G4L, Totman G4M, a Thomas Cook booking Bowness G4I.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg

The child in the Jellyfish group was Lucy Totman, aged 2.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01pages108-118%20[112-120]/processopdf01page113-CrecheRecordsS.jpg
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2246 on: August 03, 2016, 02:33:50 PM »
The 3 year old was in the other Mini group [not Lobsters]. The baby was in the baby creche. There are no sign in sheets for either of them in the files.

In Block 4 were O'Donnell G40, Weinburger G4L, Totman G4M, a Thomas Cook booking Bowness G4I.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg

The child in the Jellyfish group was Lucy Totman, aged 2.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01pages108-118%20[112-120]/processopdf01page113-CrecheRecordsS.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg  which line on that sheet relates to the family concerned?  Can you then tell me what that line then translate to.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01pages108-118%20[112-120]/processopdf01page113-CrecheRecordsS.jpg  Would not open for me  404 Error.

"In Block 4 were O'Donnell G40, Weinburger G4L, Totman G4M, a Thomas Cook booking Bowness G4I." Do these families have some common purpose of being there.  Were they connected in some way?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg  What is the purpose of this sheet? 
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2247 on: August 03, 2016, 03:38:18 PM »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2248 on: August 03, 2016, 04:26:32 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg  which line on that sheet relates to the family concerned?  Can you then tell me what that line then translate to.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01pages108-118%20[112-120]/processopdf01page113-CrecheRecordsS.jpg  Would not open for me  404 Error.

"In Block 4 were O'Donnell G40, Weinburger G4L, Totman G4M, a Thomas Cook booking Bowness G4I." Do these families have some common purpose of being there.  Were they connected in some way?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_352.jpg  What is the purpose of this sheet?

Sorry, this link gives all Mark Warner arrivals. If you scroll down there are also computer printouts giving the apartments people were allocated to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARRIVALS.htm

Here are the creche sheets.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #2249 on: August 03, 2016, 09:00:43 PM »
Sorry, this link gives all Mark Warner arrivals. If you scroll down there are also computer printouts giving the apartments people were allocated to.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARRIVALS.htm

Here are the creche sheets.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm
I've been through them already but since there is no "sharks" or "baby club" sheets they don't help me with understanding what Jeremy Wilkins and Bridget O'Donnell do with their kids.  IMO that couple are the key to understanding what happened to Madeleine.  Jes was right outside The McCann's apartment at 9:15.  There is more to it somehow but we need data. 
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