Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.

[Mr Gray]

Try answering my question first.

I  would probably top myself

[Alfred R Jones]

I  would probably top myself

[Alice Purjorick]

So if it is your contention that the time to celebrate is after the appeal, then assuming the judgement remains the same, we must conclude that the trial was a success for the McCanns and a failure for Amaral.  It took a while but we got there in the end!

I did not say celebrate a success I said reach for the Bolly.
If the case was a resounding legal success for the McCanns why did the judge apportion 60% court costs for them to pay do you suppose?
Me? if I got out of it not costing me money I would consider it a result. There is small matter of 6 years of legal fees to be considered.
As I observed just after the judgement "It would be interesting to see a P & L for this little venture".

[Alfred R Jones]

I did not say celebrate a success I said reach for the Bolly.
If the case was a resounding legal success for the McCanns why did the judge apportion 60% court costs for them to pay do you suppose?
Me? if I got out of it not costing me money I would consider it a result. There is small matter of 6 years of legal fees to be considered.
As I observed just after the judgement "It would be interesting to see a P & L for this little venture".

So when you said "If the appeal court upholds the judgment then it's time to reach for the Bolly" you didn"t mean celebrate a success??!    What DID you mean then?

As for the rest of your post I believe it is standard practice for both sides to share legal costs, I think you'd have to be really, really REALLY naive to believe that 6 years of court action wouldn't cost you anything,  I'm sure the McCanns feel however that it was worth every penny to wipe the smug expression of Amaral's mush.  A P & L for Amaral's "little venture" would indeed be very interesting indeed.

[Mr Gray]

I did not say celebrate a success I said reach for the Bolly.
If the case was a resounding legal success for the McCanns why did the judge apportion 60% court costs for them to pay do you suppose?
Me? if I got out of it not costing me money I would consider it a result. There is small matter of 6 years of legal fees to be considered.
As I observed just after the judgement "It would be interesting to see a P & L for this little venture".

if you want to pretend this is not a fantastic victory for the McCanns...carry on. I wonder what amaral thinks about the result...humiliated by his own country's court...ordered to pay the McCanns 500,000...he can appeal but his own assets still frozen...all this having claimed a few months ago he had won.....he must be devastated

[Alfred R Jones]

if you want to pretend this is not a fantastic victory for the McCanns...carry on. I wonder what amaral thinks about the result...humiliated by his own country's court...ordered to pay the McCanns 500,000...he can appeal but his own assets still frozen...all this having claimed a few months ago he had won.....he must be devastated

Yes, if this result was such a failure for the McCanns then why is it not they who are appealing the judge's decision?

[stephen25000]

if you want to pretend this is not a fantastic victory for the McCanns...carry on. I wonder what amaral thinks about the result...humiliated by his own country's court...ordered to pay the McCanns 500,000...he can appeal but his own assets still frozen...all this having claimed a few months ago he had won.....he must be devastated

What is very visible, is that the case is going to appeal, and as has happened before, the initial verdict can be overturned.

The mccanns have not received a penny, Amaral's assets are frozen for now, as they have been for some time.

Meanwhile Amaral has had several hundreds of people donating to his appeal fund, but poor kate mccann, who we are constantly reminded is very popular     has barely managed to get a 100 people to back her for a charity run.

[Angelo222]

if you want to pretend this is not a fantastic victory for the McCanns...carry on. I wonder what amaral thinks about the result...humiliated by his own country's court...ordered to pay the McCanns 500,000...he can appeal but his own assets still frozen...all this having claimed a few months ago he had won.....he must be devastated

A victory can only be achieved in law when there is no further recourse.  A partial victory would be a better description of events and that can be said of both primary parties.

[Angelo222]

Yes, if this result was such a failure for the McCanns then why is it not they who are appealing the judge's decision?

That could very well happen yet after the next round.

[Brietta]

What is very visible, is that the case is going to appeal, and as has happened before, the initial verdict can be overturned.

The mccanns have not received a penny, Amaral's assets are frozen for now, as they have been for some time.

Meanwhile Amaral has had several hundreds of people donating to his appeal fund, but poor kate mccann, who we are constantly reminded is very popular     has barely managed to get a 100 people to back her for a charity run.

Hmmm ... so that is "victory" having one's assets remaining frozen by the Portuguese Courts ... wonder if Mr Amaral views it in quite that light.

As far as subscribing to Mr Amaral's appeal fund goes ... people are entitled to do what they will with their charity ... however your constant whining comparison with the money being collected by Kate McCann for a charity bike ride is really so revealing.

If Mr Amaral is allowed to appeal the decision of a Portuguese Court ... well and good ... but I think he may be denying himself the opportunity to cut his losses and have access to his own funds.

In the interim ... Madeleine McCann's case remains active ... and I am sure if it leads to a positive result for Madeleine ... you will be among the first to rejoice. 

[stephen25000]

Hmmm ... so that is "victory" having one's assets remaining frozen by the Portuguese Courts ... wonder if Mr Amaral views it in quite that light.

As far as subscribing to Mr Amaral's appeal fund goes ... people are entitled to do what they will with their charity ... however your constant whining comparison with the money being collected by Kate McCann for a charity bike ride is really so revealing.

If Mr Amaral is allowed to appeal the decision of a Portuguese Court ... well and good ... but I think he may be denying himself the opportunity to cut his losses and have access to his own funds.

In the interim ... Madeleine McCann's case remains active ... and I am sure if it leads to a positive result for Madeleine ... you will be among the first to rejoice.

Pathetic.

If mccann had received hundreds of backers for the charity you would be gloating.

However, in the cold light of day is it finally dawning on you and others, that the mccanns are far from popular ?

[Alfred R Jones]

That could very well happen yet after the next round.

All sorts of things could happen, but we are discussing the here and now.  If the result was such a flop for the McCanns why haven't they appealed?

[Alice Purjorick]

if you want to pretend this is not a fantastic victory for the McCanns...carry on. I wonder what amaral thinks about the result...humiliated by his own country's court...ordered to pay the McCanns 500,000...he can appeal but his own assets still frozen...all this having claimed a few months ago he had won.....he must be devastated

I am not pretending anything. The same question remains.
Why do you think it is a fantastic victory when the game is not finished? The judgement is subject to appeal.
Whether Amaral is devastated or his assets remain frozen is not relevant to the argument. I don't give a monkeys about Amaral or the McCanns but I am fascinated by the mindset that can declare an unfinished game a victory for one side or the other.

[Alice Purjorick]

So when you said "If the appeal court upholds the judgment then it's time to reach for the Bolly" you didn"t mean celebrate a success??!    What DID you mean then?

As for the rest of your post I believe it is standard practice for both sides to share legal costs, I think you'd have to be really, really REALLY naive to believe that 6 years of court action wouldn't cost you anything,  I'm sure the McCanns feel however that it was worth every penny to wipe the smug expression of Amaral's mush.  A P & L for Amaral's "little venture" would indeed be very interesting indeed.

Work it out for yourself you should be able to without my help.
Is it?
So in your opinion it is about revenge nothing more nothing less?
Think of your own lines.

[Alice Purjorick]

All sorts of things could happen, but we are discussing the here and now.  If the result was such a flop for the McCanns why haven't they appealed?

Did the judge give them leave to appeal the bits of their claim she booted out?
or
How do you know they haven't appealed?