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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3360 on: November 13, 2015, 06:57:18 PM »
Its clear for anyone to see, the judgement did not seek to prove defamation.  It will be an eye opener however as to what the appeal court make of it.
What were the damages awarded for?

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #3361 on: November 13, 2015, 07:11:59 PM »
As you well know the word libel was not mentioned once in the court proceedings.  The McCanns sought and won damages because of the injury Mr Amaral caused to their reputations.

Personally I cannot see how any judge could come to that decision without knowing the truth surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.

I guess if you think of it as happening in the UK, it was as if Redwood retired then wrote a book saying they had done it.
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« Reply #3362 on: November 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PM »
I guess if you think of it as happening in the UK, it was as if Redwood retired then wrote a book saying they had done it.

Well, thats never going to happen

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unless he publishes shortly before he dies or if the Mccanns are ever found out to be actually involved (thats if he ever thought it in the first place)

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« Reply #3363 on: November 14, 2015, 03:02:24 AM »
What were the damages awarded for?

They were a claim for damages made by the McCanns as compensation for the embarrassment and trauma suffered by them following the publication of Mr Amaral's book and dvd.   Defamation does not feature once in the case.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3364 on: November 14, 2015, 08:26:21 AM »
They were a claim for damages made by the McCanns as compensation for the embarrassment and trauma suffered by them following the publication of Mr Amaral's book and dvd.   Defamation does not feature once in the case.
do the words "embarrassment" and "trauma" feature in the ruling then?

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« Reply #3365 on: November 14, 2015, 10:24:24 AM »
do the words "embarrassment" and "trauma" feature in the ruling then?

Not as such but since you fail to understand the case I wanted to respond in terms you could understand my dear fellow.
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3366 on: November 14, 2015, 10:43:30 AM »
So no news of Amaral's appeal against the libel decision in favour of the McCanns, then?

Thought not ....

stephen25000

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3367 on: November 14, 2015, 10:47:45 AM »
So no news of Amaral's appeal against the libel decision in favour of the McCanns, then?

Thought not ....

Has the appeal result been given ? 8)-)))

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« Reply #3368 on: November 14, 2015, 11:28:14 AM »
So no news of Amaral's appeal against the libel decision in favour of the McCanns, then?

Thought not ....

Such an important matter requires careful thought and consideration ferryman, you wouldn't want them to come to the wrong conclusion would you.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #3369 on: November 14, 2015, 11:58:56 AM »
So no news of Amaral's appeal against the libel decision in favour of the McCanns, then?

Thought not ....

AH  HERE IT IS...


So no news of Amaral's appeal against the libel decision in favour of the McCanns, then?

Thought not ....

was there a libel case in Portugal?

IF there was a discision it would be to most peoples astonishment because I do no recall a libel case taking place.

The only court case I recall was for pursuit of money claimed by Kate n Gerry and in their three children's names, ( the fate of one was/is unknown).

They cliamed the books content hurt them and caused them ain and suffering. The judge did ask if it was worse than their child being  missing and  well, the answer was yes. make of that what you will.

However, the judgement was that some of the contents of the book would have caused some upset for the parents.

On that  note it is worth remembering:
 IF the parents are innocent of hiding their daughters body, they would quite rightly be raging beyond belief.
IF  the parents did make  their daughter disappear, they would be raging to be under suspicion because they tried so hard to hide /cover up their involvement; so either way they were going to be 'affected' by the book.

On another note:  their reputation was in tatters in the eyes of many anyway, once the truth came out about their behaviour.

Now we have to look at the luvvies comments because they seem to be of the opinion that Amarals book content as indeed causing more pain than their daughters disappearance. Amaral proved that they enjoyed a 'celebrity lifestyle' which they would never have had if their daughter had not 'disappeared'... and to claim money on behalf of their 'missing' daughter saying his book affected her was/IS an abomination,  and a measure of their greed and love of money. I would feel Their daughter's plight and their involvment of it ( leaving her alone every night) would have caused  little Maddie much more pain- but the luvvies will no doubt disagree.
   
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3370 on: November 14, 2015, 01:50:06 PM »
Not as such but since you fail to understand the case I wanted to respond in terms you could understand my dear fellow.
but by your logic because the word "libel" does not feature in the judgment it wasn't a libel trial, so what was it then?  Damages were awarded for what breach of the law?  Is it against the law to cause embarrassment?  Is there a specific law against causing trauma to another? Trauma as a result of what specific cause or action?

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #3371 on: November 14, 2015, 02:59:40 PM »
Has anyone a copy of the original writ? That will state what the damages are for.
But perm anything you like form this lot:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/damages
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ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3372 on: November 14, 2015, 03:04:08 PM »

AH  HERE IT IS...


was there a libel case in Portugal?

IF there was a discision it would be to most peoples astonishment because I do no recall a libel case taking place.

The only court case I recall was for pursuit of money claimed by Kate n Gerry and in their three children's names, ( the fate of one was/is unknown).

They cliamed the books content hurt them and caused them ain and suffering. The judge did ask if it was worse than their child being  missing and  well, the answer was yes. make of that what you will.

However, the judgement was that some of the contents of the book would have caused some upset for the parents.

On that  note it is worth remembering:
 IF the parents are innocent of hiding their daughters body, they would quite rightly be raging beyond belief.
IF  the parents did make  their daughter disappear, they would be raging to be under suspicion because they tried so hard to hide /cover up their involvement; so either way they were going to be 'affected' by the book.

On another note:  their reputation was in tatters in the eyes of many anyway, once the truth came out about their behaviour.

Now we have to look at the luvvies comments because they seem to be of the opinion that Amarals book content as indeed causing more pain than their daughters disappearance. Amaral proved that they enjoyed a 'celebrity lifestyle' which they would never have had if their daughter had not 'disappeared'... and to claim money on behalf of their 'missing' daughter saying his book affected her was/IS an abomination,  and a measure of their greed and love of money. I would feel Their daughter's plight and their involvment of it ( leaving her alone every night) would have caused  little Maddie much more pain- but the luvvies will no doubt disagree.
   

What dross is this?

If learned Portuguese judges had found Amaral's book to be true, or at the very least, not proven untrue, they would have invited the McCanns to poke their suffering, and would have found in favour of Amaral.

They didn't, because they found huge swathes of Amaral's book to be proven untrue, and to traduce the reputations of the McCanns.

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #3373 on: November 14, 2015, 03:17:39 PM »
What dross is this?

If learned Portuguese judges had found Amaral's book to be true, or at the very least, not proven untrue, they would have invited the McCanns to poke their suffering, and would have found in favour of Amaral.

They didn't, because they found huge swathes of Amaral's book to be proven untrue, and to traduce the reputations of the McCanns.

Not true ferryman.  Only Maddie and the perp(s) if there was(were) one(any) know the truth even now.  A judge cannot be expected to rule on the truthfulness of a book when even the cops are mystified.

Could be the courts are delaying coming to a conclusion in the hope that Britain's finest once and for all solve the mystery.  l wouldn't hold my breath though.
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3374 on: November 14, 2015, 04:15:39 PM »
Has anyone a copy of the original writ? That will state what the damages are for.
But perm anything you like form this lot:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/damages


Admitting that I know nothing about Portuguese law, the damages awarded in this case seem more like punitive damages to me. Rather than compensating the McCanns the judge seemed to be punishing Amaral for using his position and failing to uphold the presumption of innocence which that position required of him.

punitive damages, which are awarded not to compensate a plaintiff for injury suffered but to penalize a defendant for particularly egregious, wrongful conduct.
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