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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3810 on: December 01, 2015, 04:44:32 PM »
Well, prove us wrong.

With unadulterated cites.

there is no proof that the dogs detected cadaver odour.......cite Martin Grime

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3811 on: December 01, 2015, 04:46:13 PM »
Well, prove us wrong.

With unadulterated cites.

it's from an unofficial translation of the court judgement...fact...no cite needed

stephen25000

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3812 on: December 01, 2015, 04:46:50 PM »
there is no proof that the dogs detected cadaver odour.......cite Martin Grime

What counts dave is what is in the court documents and not what is swirling around in your head.

stephen25000

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3813 on: December 01, 2015, 04:47:55 PM »
it's from an unofficial translation of the court judgement...fact...no cite needed

 *&*%£

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3814 on: December 01, 2015, 04:49:17 PM »
rather a silly post...as all three statements you have made are not true then it can hardly be an accurate statement of the judgement...it doesn't take much to work that out

I have only done a copy and paste job from one of John's posts on The Libel Trial Proceedings Thread.
Now is your chance to shine: by implication you have said the translation of the judgement, on this site, is not accurate. Post the one that meets with your approval. That is a simple enough task for a man of your calibre.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3815 on: December 01, 2015, 04:52:20 PM »

Any chance of your opinion on the yo-yoing Portuguese civil justice system which can't seem to form any sort of consistent opinion about the contents of the book, its effect on public opinion & its effect on the McCann family?

AND who are you to mock another countries justice system- who do you think you are exactly? What has this justice system ever done to you personally? Or do you just hate because the McCanns tell you to?

...but anyway regards the contents of the book. who are these people who's opinion changed due to the book? name and shame or are you just surmising? 

The affect on th McCann family would have been devastating:
1. if they were guilty they would be horrified to be found out.
2. if they did not hide their daughters body after a claimed accident- they would also be horrified at such an accusation.  either way they were going to be affected.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3816 on: December 01, 2015, 05:03:15 PM »
AND who are you to mock another countries justice system- who do you think you are exactly? What has this justice system ever done to you personally? Or do you just hate because the McCanns tell you to?

...but anyway regards the contents of the book. who are these people who's opinion changed due to the book? name and shame or are you just surmising? 

The affect on th McCann family would have been devastating:
1. if they were guilty they would be horrified to be found out.
2. if they did not hide their daughters body after a claimed accident- they would also be horrified at such an accusation.  either way they were going to be affected.

I was asking Stephen for an on-topic response to my previous post, rather than his usual ten thousandth plus stock response of "no evidence of abduction etc etc".
Your rudeness has been noted.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3817 on: December 01, 2015, 05:09:30 PM »
I have only done a copy and paste job from one of John's posts on The Libel Trial Proceedings Thread.
Now is your chance to shine: by implication you have said the translation of the judgement, on this site, is not accurate. Post the one that meets with your approval. That is a simple enough task for a man of your calibre.

and I have explained exactly why it is not accurate...cadaver odour was never proved

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3818 on: December 01, 2015, 05:13:52 PM »
I was asking Stephen for an on-topic response to my previous post, rather than his usual ten thousandth plus stock response of "no evidence of abduction etc etc".
Your rudeness has been noted.

My Rudeness?  You are the one questioning the integrity of another country justice system. and for the ten thousandth plus times please show evidence of said abduction that stephen  is quite right to ask. or is that aslo being 'rude'.

Bad manners asking Kate to answer questions about her missing daughter  is also up their I guess...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3819 on: December 01, 2015, 05:34:03 PM »
My Rudeness?  You are the one questioning the integrity of another country justice system. and for the ten thousandth plus times please show evidence of said abduction that stephen  is quite right to ask. or is that aslo being 'rude'.

Bad manners asking Kate to answer questions about her missing daughter  is also up their I guess...

Miss Taken - well it would appear that there is a foundation for critisism of the Portuguese Justice System. 

http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/4994-portugal-s-justice-system-is-the-slowest-in-europe

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3820 on: December 01, 2015, 05:46:02 PM »
and I have explained exactly why it is not accurate...cadaver odour was never proved

The judge would seem to disagree with you.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3821 on: December 01, 2015, 05:49:30 PM »
Miss Taken - well it would appear that there is a foundation for critisism of the Portuguese Justice System. 

http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/4994-portugal-s-justice-system-is-the-slowest-in-europe

Yes you saw it here first...
"A well run and efficient justice system is one of the key parameters that foreign investors look at when deciding where to set up shop. Currently, with Portugal at the very bottom of the list for timely resolution of cases, many will be opting for other EC countries.

but then... maybe the reasons are explained,

"Again, on the plus side the system in Portugal was judged as ‘having independence.’ = no political lobbying?

The ‘Justice in the Union Scoreboard’ showed that in 2013 no judge was transferred to other functions without his or her consent, except due to disciplinary action or reorganisation.  This is used as a sign of health in any justice system.

oh dear fish blown right out of the water.

 So what was this bad, nasty justice system comment about ? were you, Misty or the McCanns GOING TO open up a business in Portugal but didn;t like the independance or the Judges not being shafted if crims do not like them?

'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3822 on: December 01, 2015, 05:54:07 PM »
http://algarvedailynews.com/news/6539-portugal-s-justice-system-is-worse-than-a-year-ago
Portugal's justice system is 'worse than a year ago' 
 

 Created: 31 August 2015
 
   





 
dacruzIn September 2014, the launch of the new CITIUS court case processing system failed spectacularly on take-off and remained inoperable for 44 days, while the media reported on recrimination, back-biting and zero progress in clearing the backlog of cases built up from years of inefficiency and official indifference.

The judicial reform programme, far from reforming anything, turned a poor system into a showcase of what was wrong with Portugal’s antiquated justice delivery system noted already for understaffed courts and slow justice, but now with a computer software that had failed to work and was making things worse, not better.

Many court cases vanished into a cyber black hole, other live cases were designated as pending and the massive backlog of cases rose rather than decreased, causing distress and misery for those citizens waiting for their day in court.

The head of the union of prosecutors today said, "Justice is worse today than a year ago."

In a press conference held today, António Ventinhas, president of the union of prosecutors said of the justice system that the old problems had stayed but new ones have been added with a lack of staff, judges and with a computer system that does notdo what it was supposed to do.

Ventinhas said the resulting chaos after the launch of CITIUS was due to a lack of financial resources, to which he could have added, ‘training and management.’ He did point out that the lack of planning meant that a year later the country still does not have the necessary courts, the required number of judges and the number of staff required to run the system. He added that the money spent on the computer system has not been effective.

For Ventrinhas, the blame lies squarely with the Minister of Justice, Paula Teixeira da Cruz (pictured) whose management skills have been tested to the full and found early on to be lacking.
 
The head of the Bar Association, Elina Fraga, commented that the reform of the judicial map simply has detered citizens from seeing justice and that CITIUS still does not work as it should be working.

More concerning there still is no explanation from the minister for the failure of CITIUS.

A report is promised ‘next month’ but is unlikely to be published before the general election on October 4th. One of the reasons for the delay in the report is that the Minister of Justice did not commission it until a full eight months after the failure of the computer system for which she resolutely refused to take the blame, despite being in charge.

The report anyway will be light on detail as rather conveniently, the CITIUS computer problems preclude a detailed analysis of the judicial reform as no statistical data on pending or completed cases can be pulled from the system.

The justice system is in a mess, those working in it are stressed and lack resources, the public are less able to access the system due to travel and cost constraints, the new computer system failed to work and still does not function as specified, the report into the failure of CITIUS has been delayed by the person responsible and the chances of justice within a plaintiff’s lifetime are as remote as ever, if not more so.

The Minister in charge has the full backing of the Prime Minister.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3823 on: December 01, 2015, 05:56:29 PM »
"Portugal's justice system "slow, expensive and difficult to comprehend" "

http://algarvedailynews.com/news/4676-initial-report-on-portugal-s-justice-system-makes-depressing-reading

You can say that again!

Offline misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3824 on: December 01, 2015, 06:01:07 PM »
Yes you saw it here first...
"A well run and efficient justice system is one of the key parameters that foreign investors look at when deciding where to set up shop. Currently, with Portugal at the very bottom of the list for timely resolution of cases, many will be opting for other EC countries.

but then... maybe the reasons are explained,

"Again, on the plus side the system in Portugal was judged as ‘having independence.’ = no political lobbying?

The ‘Justice in the Union Scoreboard’ showed that in 2013 no judge was transferred to other functions without his or her consent, except due to disciplinary action or reorganisation.  This is used as a sign of health in any justice system.

oh dear fish blown right out of the water.

 So what was this bad, nasty justice system comment about ? were you, Misty or the McCanns GOING TO open up a business in Portugal but didn;t like the independance or the Judges not being shafted if crims do not like them?


I wasn't aware "inconsistent" had the same definition as "bad, nasty" so clearly my education must be lacking.
Perhaps if would actually address the points in my original post rather than trying to goad me with one of your many profiles the forum would be a better place for it.