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ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3945 on: December 07, 2015, 12:37:43 PM »
Mention of "ex-parte" brings Alice out in a cold sweat, for some reason.

No clue why.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3946 on: December 07, 2015, 01:22:53 PM »
Mention of "ex-parte" brings Alice out in a cold sweat, for some reason.

No clue why.

To be perfectly honest, it brings me out in palpitations.  Whilst I accept it has its uses, its a device which goes against the whole idea of justice. 

It is at best a short term measure, and no substitute for an actual trial. 

Which is why appeals are often successful.    As in this case. 

Offline Montclair

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3947 on: December 07, 2015, 01:33:45 PM »
The Daily Express has published today on page 21 a clarification regarding the damages trial. I can only write transcript of what the apology stated:

"Amplifications and Clarifications

Gonçalo Amaral -Correction

On the 29 April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said "Maddy detective did lie about death cover up claim". We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr. Amaral had breached the McCanns' right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them."

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3948 on: December 07, 2015, 01:59:19 PM »
Mention of "ex-parte" brings Alice out in a cold sweat, for some reason.

No clue why.

Not a cold sweat rather fits of laughter at the way it is drawn by some posters like a Colt 45 in a western movie in the belief others don't know what it means. Or maybe Excalibur @)(++(*
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3949 on: December 07, 2015, 02:04:11 PM »
I assume you are not conflating two different cases.

The ex parte injunction was, and subsequent appeals, was one case.  The supreme court simply overturned the ex parte injunction and restored the status quo. 

The libel trial over Amaral's book, documentary etc was a completely separate case, and the outcome (damages of E 500k, interest no further sales of the book, video etc).   

So there is no question of any ruling being "overturned".

Sorry to burst your bubble. 

 

That's OK. No problem  8(0(*

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3950 on: December 07, 2015, 02:43:17 PM »
The Daily Express has published today on page 21 a clarification regarding the damages trial. I can only write transcript of what the apology stated:

"Amplifications and Clarifications

Gonçalo Amaral -Correction

On the 29 April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said "Maddy detective did lie about death cover up claim". We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr. Amaral had breached the McCanns' right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them."

If Sr Amaral did not lie why do you think the court penalised him?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3951 on: December 07, 2015, 02:57:37 PM »
The Daily Express has published today on page 21 a clarification regarding the damages trial. I can only write transcript of what the apology stated:

"Amplifications and Clarifications

Gonçalo Amaral -Correction

On the 29 April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said "Maddy detective did lie about death cover up claim". We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr. Amaral had breached the McCanns' right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them."

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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3952 on: December 07, 2015, 03:08:15 PM »
The Daily Express has published today on page 21 a clarification regarding the damages trial. I can only write transcript of what the apology stated:

"Amplifications and Clarifications

Gonçalo Amaral -Correction

On the 29 April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said "Maddy detective did lie about death cover up claim". We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr. Amaral had breached the McCanns' right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them."

That is a good find Montclair.  with the usual "red top" caveat, it is interesting to note that the court ruled on the McCanns right to reputation, which means of course the trial was a defamation one "in this instance Libel".   

And rather gives the lie to those who argue that this was NOT a libel trial. 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3953 on: December 07, 2015, 03:22:47 PM »
The Daily Express has published today on page 21 a clarification regarding the damages trial. I can only write transcript of what the apology stated:

"Amplifications and Clarifications

Gonçalo Amaral -Correction

On the 29 April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said "Maddy detective did lie about death cover up claim". We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr. Amaral had breached the McCanns' right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them."

Easy mistake to make
So it was another case he was found guilty of lying
This one was about libel

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3954 on: December 07, 2015, 03:27:26 PM »
I think the whole deal is pretty straightforward.
Try this angle:
In no country can a lower court overturn the ruling of a higher court. Once that is accepted things start to drop into place.

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

Couldn't help it

Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3955 on: December 07, 2015, 03:46:37 PM »
That is a good find Montclair.  with the usual "red top" caveat, it is interesting to note that the court ruled on the McCanns right to reputation, which means of course the trial was a defamation one "in this instance Libel".   

And rather gives the lie to those who argue that this was NOT a libel trial.

There is no doubt about it in the Portuguese press.  It seems only foreigners posting on fora don't understand why the Drs McCann have been awarded damages.


Justiça portuguesa condena inspetor do caso Madeleine por difamação
Gonçalo Amaral publicou livro onde acusava pais por morte de menina.
Madeleine desapareceu em maio de 2007 de quarto de hotel em Portugal.

Portuguese Justice condemns Madeleine case inspector for defamation
Gonçalo Amaral published book in which he accused parents for girl's death. 
Madeleine disappeared in May 2007 hotel room in Portugal.

http://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2015/04/justica-portuguesa-condena-inspetor-do-caso-madeleine-por-difamacao.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3956 on: December 07, 2015, 04:30:06 PM »
There is no doubt about it in the Portuguese press.  It seems only foreigners posting on fora don't understand why the Drs McCann have been awarded damages.


Justiça portuguesa condena inspetor do caso Madeleine por difamação
Gonçalo Amaral publicou livro onde acusava pais por morte de menina.
Madeleine desapareceu em maio de 2007 de quarto de hotel em Portugal.

Portuguese Justice condemns Madeleine case inspector for defamation
Gonçalo Amaral published book in which he accused parents for girl's death.
Madeleine disappeared in May 2007 hotel room in Portugal.

http://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2015/04/justica-portuguesa-condena-inspetor-do-caso-madeleine-por-difamacao.htm

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We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the court that Mr. Amaral lied.
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3957 on: December 07, 2015, 04:33:31 PM »
If Amaral didn't lie, then he told the truth, yes?  So, it's true that Madeleine died in the apartment is it?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3958 on: December 07, 2015, 04:45:38 PM »
The judge uses the words "hypothesis" and "thesis" quite liberally when referring to Sr Amaral's book in her judgement.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #3959 on: December 07, 2015, 04:48:00 PM »
The judge uses the words "hypothesis" and "thesis" quite liberally when referring to Sr Amaral's book in her judgement.
That's as maybe.  Amaral stated it was a fact that Madeleine died in the apartment however.

So, in Portugal I can hypothesise in a best selling book that the Prime Minister is a paedophile and make all sorts of un proven allegations about him / her and not be called a liar can I?