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Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4380 on: February 09, 2016, 01:33:17 PM »
So basically what we have is a hearsay statement of what was said by an unidentified person.
Fairly reliable hearsay of what was said (and presumably written) by an un-identified professional.

To be fair to the professional, the words ""well within the bounds of reasonable parenting" must have originally been in a longer carefully written sentence, so it is possible that by quoting those selected words verbatim (p124 KM book) without quoting the rest of the sentence verbatim, the exact meaning may have become changed, for example by omitting the conditional or qualifying part of the sentence, which surely any barrister would have included?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4381 on: February 09, 2016, 01:34:14 PM »
It would seem that way.

  ... and what does it matter?

      ... and in what way does it relate to the Amaral appeal?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4382 on: February 09, 2016, 01:41:04 PM »
  ... and what does it matter?

      ... and in what way does it relate to the Amaral appeal?
Good point. Has the phrase "well within the bounds of reasonable parenting" been mentioned by either side in the legal case and its appeals?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4383 on: February 09, 2016, 01:42:45 PM »
  ... and what does it matter?

      ... and in what way does it relate to the Amaral appeal?


Well it doesn't make it a fact now does it?
My original response was to ferryman's post 4363 where he mentions the matter.
If you are concerned about it not being related take it up with ferryman.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4384 on: February 09, 2016, 02:03:30 PM »
Grime didn't say the dogs didn't scent death.

and he didn't say they did...amaral said they did...amaral lied

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4385 on: February 09, 2016, 03:29:08 PM »
(snip)  ... and in what way does it relate to the Amaral appeal?
Because the advice to claim responsible parenting, the advice to start a fund, and the advice to do ward of court, all came in one parcel.
The early advice to start the fund is what caused that fund to come into existence, and later partly finance suing Mr Amaral. And did the early advice to do ward of court later enable the missing child to sue Mr Amaral?


Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4386 on: February 09, 2016, 03:36:42 PM »
Good point. Has the phrase "well within the bounds of reasonable parenting" been mentioned by either side in the legal case and its appeals?

Why would it be?

Again...

The judge's job was to examine a civil case, not a criminal one (which had never come to court).

The judge didn't want to know whether the dogs were reliable or not, either. Not her job.

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4387 on: February 09, 2016, 03:41:55 PM »
Why would it be?

Again...

The judge's job was to examine a civil case, not a criminal one (which had never come to court).
This ongoing court case would never have happened IMO had it not not been for that very early parcel of legal advice, because that caused the fund to be started and the ward of court to be obtained, both of which directly enabled the court case.

Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4388 on: February 09, 2016, 03:46:32 PM »
This ongoing court case would never have happened IMO had it not not been for that very early parcel of legal advice, because that caused the fund to be started and the ward of court to be obtained, both of which directly enabled the court case.

Which bit of legal advice led to the creation of the fund?


Offline John

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4389 on: February 09, 2016, 03:49:01 PM »
Lawyers generally say what their clients pay them to say.

Very true jassi.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4390 on: February 09, 2016, 03:55:25 PM »
Why would it be?

Again...

The judge's job was to examine a civil case, not a criminal one (which had never come to court).

The judge didn't want to know whether the dogs were reliable or not, either. Not her job.

I'm (slowly) beginning to understand that, now.

The judge compared what was written in the book with what was written in the files.

If they matched, Amaral could say it (true or not).

In that sense, the judge did not adjudicate on what was 'true' or 'not true', just whether it was faithful to the files.

Unsure of the status of stuff in the files, but contradicted by other stuff, also in the files.

It's in the files that Eddie 'scented death' all over the place; also in the files (Grime and Harrison) that no evidential reliability could be placed on the dogs' reactions.

Where does Amaral stand on that one?

Amaral said Harrison changed the direction of the investigation into one for a little girl assumed dead and buried (in close vicinity to PdL), an outright distortion (of the files).  Harrison formed no fixed conclusion, but proffered the opinion that if death had occurred, it was most likely Madeleine's remains had been jettisoned into the sea ....

Amaral claimed the Scent Transfer Unit is a device for detecting death scent.  It is used for trapping and storing scents of living people.

Amaral's conclusion diametrically contradicts the conclusion of the Portuguese prosecutors.

I've no clue how the court that overruled the injunction concluded Amaral's book is based on the files.

It is plain common sense that Martin Smith agreed to produce an efit only because he had changed his mind about the man the Smiths all saw being Gerry.

And so on.

Amaral is up against it.

stephen25000

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4391 on: February 09, 2016, 04:04:19 PM »
We shall see.

Offline John

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4392 on: February 09, 2016, 04:08:46 PM »
It is plain common sense that Martin Smith agreed to produce an efit only because he had changed his mind about the man the Smiths all saw being Gerry.

In the absence of a statement by Mr Smith that is pure speculation on your part.  Mr Smith has never declared publicly that he changed his mind.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4393 on: February 09, 2016, 04:16:42 PM »
I'm (slowly) beginning to understand that, now.

The judge compared what was written in the book with what was written in the files.

If they matched, Amaral could say it (true or not).

In that sense, the judge did not adjudicate on what was 'true' or 'not true', just whether it was faithful to the files.

Unsure of the status of stuff in the files, but contradicted by other stuff, also in the files.

It's in the files that Eddie 'scented death' all over the place; also in the files (Grime and Harrison) that no evidential reliability could be placed on the dogs' reactions.

Where does Amaral stand on that one?

Amaral said Harrison changed the direction of the investigation into one for a little girl assumed dead and buried (in close vicinity to PdL), an outright distortion (of the files).  Harrison formed no fixed conclusion, but proffered the opinion that if death had occurred, it was most likely Madeleine's remains had been jettisoned into the sea ....

Amaral claimed the Scent Transfer Unit is a device for detecting death scent.  It is used for trapping and storing scents of living people.

Amaral's conclusion diametrically contradicts the conclusion of the Portuguese prosecutors.

I've no clue how the court that overruled the injunction concluded Amaral's book is based on the files.

It is plain common sense that Martin Smith agreed to produce an efit only because he had changed his mind about the man the Smiths all saw being Gerry.

And so on.

Amaral is up against it.

Were you present at every meeting between Amaral and Harrison?
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Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4394 on: February 09, 2016, 04:46:40 PM »
Were you present at every meeting between Amaral and Harrison?

It would have been irrelevant if anyone had been.

It's a civil case, not a criminal one.