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Offline Mr Gray


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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4456 on: February 11, 2016, 09:57:56 AM »
It is abundantly clear, if the 'alerts' didn't worry the mccanns and some of their supporters, then they wouldn't keep on about them.

YET THEY DO.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4457 on: February 11, 2016, 10:06:09 AM »
It is abundantly clear, if the 'alerts' didn't worry the mccanns and some of their supporters, then they wouldn't keep on about them.

YET THEY DO.

that is your assumption.....and it is wrong...the alerts are totally meaningless as I have explained on many occasions

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4458 on: February 11, 2016, 10:30:10 AM »
abusive post...reported

is it not against forum rules to call posters liars...what is the forum coming to when mods call posters liars

It's against the rules if not true. I said they could have identified an innocent reason, you said they had, then you said the alerts are unreliable which is not an innocent explanation. We can only assume you lied, unless of course you made a mistake.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4459 on: February 11, 2016, 10:32:09 AM »
It's against the rules if not true. I said they could have identified an innocent reason, you said they had, then you said the alerts are unreliable which is not an innocent explanation. We can only assume you lied, unless of course you made a mistake.

Gerry has said the alerts are extremely unreliable......that is an innocent expalnation......you are are a liar as I have not lied
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 10:35:11 AM by davel »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4460 on: February 11, 2016, 10:40:04 AM »
Gerry has said the alerts are extremely unreliable......that is an innocent expalnation......you are are a liar as I have not lied

It's not an explanation at all.
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Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4461 on: February 11, 2016, 10:41:32 AM »
It is abundantly clear, if the 'alerts' didn't worry the mccanns and some of their supporters, then they wouldn't keep on about them.

YET THEY DO.



The possibility that she did indeed die in 5A can't be excluded 100% at this time, irrespective of what actually prompted Eddie to react and what he may have reacted to.

Even if it had been found that a bloodied band-aid had been left around for a while and had been picked up by the cleaning lady, it might be a "satisfactory explanation" of an alert (and other incidents that had taken place over time could plausibly explain others), it still wouldn't totally exclude the possibility that she had died there.

The bottom line is still that the dogs are an asset (tool) to help the police find evidence... but none was found.



Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4462 on: February 11, 2016, 10:46:19 AM »


The possibility that she did indeed die in 5A can't be excluded 100% at this time, irrespective of what actually prompted Eddie to react and what he may have reacted to.

Even if it had been found that a bloodied band-aid had been left around for a while and had been picked up by the cleaning lady, it might be a "satisfactory explanation" of an alert (and other incidents that had taken place over time could plausibly explain others), it still wouldn't totally exclude the possibility that she had died there.

The bottom line is still that the dogs are an asset (tool) to help the police find evidence... but none was found.



something I have been saying for  along time but some posters cannot accept the truth...bopth the mccanns and those supporting them understand this and that is why the alerts are of absolutely no concern

« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 10:49:27 AM by davel »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4463 on: February 11, 2016, 12:13:53 PM »

something I have been saying for  along time but some posters cannot accept the truth...bopth the mccanns and those supporting them understand this and that is why the alerts are of absolutely no concern

Do you think Operation Grange has been a waste of time and money? They are looking for a body and using dogs just like Amaral did in 2007. Nothing has changed and there's has been no updates about new forensic tests.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4464 on: February 11, 2016, 12:19:58 PM »
Do you think Operation Grange has been a waste of time and money? They are looking for a body and using dogs just like Amaral did in 2007. Nothing has changed and there's has been no updates about new forensic tests.

Op Grange may have had intelligence to verify. Or were simply checking out a potential dumping area that hadn't been explored before. Who knows?

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4465 on: February 11, 2016, 12:44:43 PM »
Gerry has said the alerts are extremely unreliable......that is an innocent expalnation......you are are a liar as I have not lied

If they can, defense lawyers will produce evidence of innocence in court. If they can't, they will try to discredit prosecution evidence of guilt. Gerry McCann's lawyers intended to use the evidence presented by the lawyers in the Zapata case should the McCanns be charged. The Zapata lawyers had no evidence of innocence, so they used the 'unreliability' argument to convince the Judge that the cadaver dog alerts were of no use. They were successful, but we now know the dogs were right.
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4466 on: February 11, 2016, 02:39:07 PM »
If they can, defense lawyers will produce evidence of innocence in court. If they can't, they will try to discredit prosecution evidence of guilt. Gerry McCann's lawyers intended to use the evidence presented by the lawyers in the Zapata case should the McCanns be charged. The Zapata lawyers had no evidence of innocence, so they used the 'unreliability' argument to convince the Judge that the cadaver dog alerts were of no use. They were successful, but we now know the dogs were right.

How embarrassing picking proven NOT to be unreliable dogs in the Zapata case.

"Zapata said in that statement he went to the family's home on Indian Trace on the morning of Oct. 11, 1976, to discuss things with his estranged wife and wound up in an argument which escalated and became violent. He said he took a draftsman's weight out of a drawer and struck his wife in the head, then strangled her, first with his hands and then with a cord, to make sure she was dead. After cleaning up her blood, he rolled his wife into a tent, then drove to the rural area east of Madison where he dumped her body in a wooded area he believes along what is now Reiner Road.

Later, he bought a piece of property in Juneau County and used a U-Haul trailer to take the body from the woods and dump it on his new property in Juneau County, covering it with loads of dirt. The body stayed there for some 24 years. In 2001, after he had remarried and retired from state work, he decided to move to Nevada. Before making that move, he retrieved the body again, this time putting it in a rented storage locker in Sun Prairie.

Zapata's plans began to unravel in late 2004, when Peggy Weekly, a longtime friend of Jeanette's, contacted the Madison Police department to ask whatever had become of the investigation into her friend's disappearance. That led detectives to review the old case and, by August of 2006, they were satisfied they had enough evidence to convict Eugene of first-degree murder.

Detectives had two prongs of new evidence that wasn't available in 1976: cadaver sniffing dogs which appeared to show that Zapata had kept the body in various homes he, his children and his new wife lived in while in Madison, at the Sun Prairie storage locker and at the Juneau County landfill. They also had a set of detailed notes Zapata kept of his wife's whereabouts and with whom she was associating in the days when the couple was estranged.

But that was not enough to convict Zapata. Last Fall, jurors deliberated for some four days before telling Dane County Circuit Court Judge Patrick Fiedler they were hopelessly deadlocked: 10 wanting to convict and one holding out for an acquittal with one juror undecided.

Prosecutors said they would bring Zapata to trial again but instead reached a plea bargain. He agreed to plead to the far lesser charge of reckless homicide and face a maximum of five years in prison. With time off for good behavior, allowed under 1976 law, he will serve about three years and one month before being freed.

Part of that deal called for Zapata to make a complete and truthful confession to detectives and, Assistant District Attorney Robert Kaiser said, he has done that.

As they renewed their investigation, Zapata said, he went to the Sun Prairie storage center, cut up the remains of the body, put it into plastic bags and put them in a dumpster at the Juneau County Landfill."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1972541/posts
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4467 on: February 11, 2016, 04:49:32 PM »
How embarrassing picking proven NOT to be unreliable dogs in the Zapata case.

"Zapata said in that statement he went to the family's home on Indian Trace on the morning of Oct. 11, 1976, to discuss things with his estranged wife and wound up in an argument which escalated and became violent. He said he took a draftsman's weight out of a drawer and struck his wife in the head, then strangled her, first with his hands and then with a cord, to make sure she was dead. After cleaning up her blood, he rolled his wife into a tent, then drove to the rural area east of Madison where he dumped her body in a wooded area he believes along what is now Reiner Road.

Later, he bought a piece of property in Juneau County and used a U-Haul trailer to take the body from the woods and dump it on his new property in Juneau County, covering it with loads of dirt. The body stayed there for some 24 years. In 2001, after he had remarried and retired from state work, he decided to move to Nevada. Before making that move, he retrieved the body again, this time putting it in a rented storage locker in Sun Prairie.

Zapata's plans began to unravel in late 2004, when Peggy Weekly, a longtime friend of Jeanette's, contacted the Madison Police department to ask whatever had become of the investigation into her friend's disappearance. That led detectives to review the old case and, by August of 2006, they were satisfied they had enough evidence to convict Eugene of first-degree murder.

Detectives had two prongs of new evidence that wasn't available in 1976: cadaver sniffing dogs which appeared to show that Zapata had kept the body in various homes he, his children and his new wife lived in while in Madison, at the Sun Prairie storage locker and at the Juneau County landfill. They also had a set of detailed notes Zapata kept of his wife's whereabouts and with whom she was associating in the days when the couple was estranged.

But that was not enough to convict Zapata. Last Fall, jurors deliberated for some four days before telling Dane County Circuit Court Judge Patrick Fiedler they were hopelessly deadlocked: 10 wanting to convict and one holding out for an acquittal with one juror undecided.

Prosecutors said they would bring Zapata to trial again but instead reached a plea bargain. He agreed to plead to the far lesser charge of reckless homicide and face a maximum of five years in prison. With time off for good behavior, allowed under 1976 law, he will serve about three years and one month before being freed.

Part of that deal called for Zapata to make a complete and truthful confession to detectives and, Assistant District Attorney Robert Kaiser said, he has done that.

As they renewed their investigation, Zapata said, he went to the Sun Prairie storage center, cut up the remains of the body, put it into plastic bags and put them in a dumpster at the Juneau County Landfill."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1972541/posts

The dogs alerted to the storage locker highlighted above.

On April 13, 2005, police left a message for Eugene Zapata with his wife in Nevada. The next day, the locker’s key was returned to U-Store Mini Storage in Sun Prairie. The empty locker remained locked until Aug. 10 and 11 when police opened it.

Dogs detected the scent of decomposing or decomposed human remains inside and around the locker

Husband Prime Suspect in 1976 Case (WI Cold Case Re-Opened)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | December 16, 2005 | Lisa Schuetz
Posted on 12/16/2005, 8:01:45 PM by Diana in Wisconsin
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Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4468 on: February 11, 2016, 05:05:17 PM »
How is the Zapata case related to Amaral's appeal?

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral confirms he will appeal the damages decision to higher Court.
« Reply #4469 on: February 11, 2016, 05:29:58 PM »
How is the Zapata case related to Amaral's appeal?

It's obvious, isn't it?

Rather than (as widely touted I think!,) being the McCanns' trump-card,  the Zapata case will be Amaral's trump card, the deciding factor in reserving the legal tide in the libel trial and that will see Amaral, after all, triumph ....