What % of parents (or other caregivers) would leave Madeliene (and twins)..

[Mr Gray]

Says the person who believes suspects and witnesses should be free to choose who records their statements and free to choose which body investigates a suspected crime!!

You've misunderstood

[Robittybob1]

You've misunderstood

One thing I've learnt is that the person who tells the story needs to make it clear from the start.  I should take a break too.

[Holly Goodhead]

How many nights did they observe... Where did they observe from... Smithman is still unidentified...which shows it's not as easy as you think

Sun - Thu max.

Vantage points which lend to 5A and tapas

What has 'Smithman' got to do with anything?

[G-Unit]

in similar circumstances?

MW offered a listening service at some sites but this was through locked doors.  Parents do leave children in hotel rooms but again in locked rooms with or without some sort of monitor/listening service.   

Does anyone know of children left as the McCann children were left.  Imo this case revolves around the unusualness of the combination:

- No adult supervision
- No listening service
- No baby monitor
- Unlocked patio doors
- Parents leaving at same time every night for same destination and re-entering and exiting the patio doors  (which can't be locked from outside) at sort of regular intervals several times a night.

And lets not forget children of T7 were all in locked rooms.

Was KM trying to have it all?  A working mum (GP) of 3 under 4 yoa who by the time of arriving at PDL was exhausted and lost her head? 

I don't wish to sound judgmental and/or sanctimonious but the above are the facts and imo it has been unhelpful to downplay the precarious situation MM and the twins were left in.  Do people not see the facts or are they pussy-footing around the McCanns to assuage their inevitable guilt and regret?

You're convinced that the patio doors were left unlocked, it seems. What has convinced you that a) they were and b) they were unlocked every evening?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

What has 'Smithman' got to do with anything?

He remains the only credible sighting of a potential kidnapper seen in the act.... Funny that Mitchell didn't want to go chasing after him, given that fact.

[Holly Goodhead]

He remains the only credible sighting of a potential kidnapper seen in the act.... Funny that Mitchell didn't want to go chasing after him, given that fact.

On what basis?  How do we know he's anything but a red herring as Dr Totman proved to be?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

On what basis?  How do we know he's anything but a red herring as Dr Totman proved to be?

Credible... as it's reasonable to believe that the members of the Smith family saw a man carrying a still child.

Potential kidnapper... Isn't that obvious why??

Red Herring? That's possible - but why didn't Mitchell want to publicise the credible sighting of a possible kidnapper? He was more than happy to do it with countless other possible suspects, IMO.

[The General]

As the dear, departed Jeremy Beadle used to say, 'Colin, look over in that bush there, it's our camera. This isn't your Mini Metro we just crushed with a wrecking ball.....ahahahaha....Colin....Colin?'.

Percentage? 0.04%

[Robittybob1]

As the dear, departed Jeremy Beadle used to say, 'Colin, look over in that bush there, it's our camera. This isn't your Mini Metro we just crushed with a wrecking ball.....ahahahaha....Colin....Colin?'.

Percentage? 0.04%

Should I delete this?  How relevant is it?

[Holly Goodhead]

Credible... as it's reasonable to believe that the members of the Smith family saw a man carrying a still child.

Potential kidnapper... Isn't that obvious why??

Red Herring? That's possible - but why didn't Mitchell want to publicise the credible sighting of a possible kidnapper? He was more than happy to do it with countless other possible suspects, IMO.

The night creche supported all MW apartments which were scattered all over PDL therefore it is to be expected that fathers would be seen walking around with children in arms.

I take no notice of anything Clarence Mitchell said or didn't say.  Was he there when MM disappeared?  Has he researched the case?  Does he have experience of police investigations? 

He comes over as pompous and bumbling imo.

[Holly Goodhead]

You're convinced that the patio doors were left unlocked, it seems. What has convinced you that a) they were and b) they were unlocked every evening?

Why would the McCanns say they left them unlocked if they didn't?

The McCanns said they exited for tapas via patio doors and carried out the checks via the patio doors so as to
reduce the noise and not wake the children.  If they used the front door it was nearer the children's bedroom.

T7 agreed with the above.

And more importantly independent witness Mrs Fenn said on the night she heard the crying it stopped when
she heard the parents return via the patio doors

I look at what is plausible and more likely imo.  Imo the above is more likely and plausible. 

[jassi]

Why would the McCanns say they left them unlocked if they didn't?

The McCanns said they exited for tapas via patio doors and carried out the checks via the patio doors so as to
reduce the noise and not wake the children.  If they used the front door it was nearer the children's bedroom.

T7 agreed with the above.

And more importantly independent witness Mrs Fenn said on the night she heard the crying it stopped when
she heard the parents return via the patio doors

I look at what is plausible and more likely imo.  Imo the above is more likely and plausible.

I don't think that is quite what she actually said.  She heard the door, but didn't see who entered.

[Robittybob1]

I don't think that is quite what she actually said.  She heard the door, but didn't see who entered.

No definitely mentions the patio door in my version of the McCann files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

"She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

[Holly Goodhead]

No definitely mentions the patio door in my version of the McCann files.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

"She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

  Robittybob1 you saved me a job.

[Holly Goodhead]

IMO Mrs Fenn is by far the most important witness. 

Imagine how strange it must have sounded to her hearing the patio doors opening and closing several times a night.

Mrs Fenn was the only full-time resident.  She could not help but note how unusual and peculiar the above was and how it was in all probability completely out of keeping with other holiday makers.