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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2340 on: October 05, 2015, 08:18:26 PM »
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Murder-trial-soldier-Leicester-accused-buying/story-27631252-detail/story.html

It can also be home-made.
The choice sedation method used by child abductors, as per Wendy Murphy (US expert on all things McCann)

So someone bought some. Did he use it? How long does it take to work? How long does it last?
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Offline misty

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2341 on: October 05, 2015, 09:56:24 PM »
So someone bought some. Did he use it? How long does it take to work? How long does it last?

Apparently so. He's on trial for murder.
How long does it take to work? Depends on the strength used. It is a cheap alternative to benzodiazepines as favoured by those sedating children for child porn purposes. I'll let you do your own research as we have discussed this topic already.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2342 on: October 06, 2015, 09:10:41 AM »
Apparently so. He's on trial for murder.
How long does it take to work? Depends on the strength used. It is a cheap alternative to benzodiazepines as favoured by those sedating children for child porn purposes. I'll let you do your own research as we have discussed this topic already.

He bought some, it doesn't say he used it. We have discussed this before and no-one was able to demonstrate how chloroform could have been of use in this case.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2343 on: October 06, 2015, 12:14:45 PM »
Apparently so. He's on trial for murder.
How long does it take to work? Depends on the strength used. It is a cheap alternative to benzodiazepines as favoured by those sedating children for child porn purposes. I'll let you do your own research as we have discussed this topic already.

Why is one advised never to leave a drink unattended in a pub ... could it be anything to do with the chance someone may take the opportunity to 'spike' it with some substance or other?

However there is evidence that chloroform has been used in criminal acts ... and there is no reason to believe that it is the only sedative of choice among criminals.


Lab technician knocked out student with chloroform
A secondary school lab technician rendered a 17-year-old girl unconscious by tricking her into donning a chloroform mask.

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The senior lab technician then applied the chloroform from a brown bottle marked ''Chemical Odour Neutraliser''.

And when Sayeda tried to remove it after she started to feel unwell, Shreeve simply added more chloroform and insisted she keep it on. He even pretended to put some on his own mask.

Shreeve raised the alarm after Sayeda had drifted into unconsciousness.

First on the scene was teacher Robert Davies, who described Sayeda as 'completely out of it' and Shreeve fanning her with a book, the court heard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7881816/Lab-technician-knocked-out-student-with-chloroform.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2344 on: October 06, 2015, 03:01:48 PM »
Chemical burns to her face, not nice. I wonder how long she was out?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #2345 on: October 11, 2015, 12:51:31 PM »
Yup regarding 'hostages to fortune' I was thinking of someone trying their luck. Of course if it is someone Madeleine knew I would expect the chances of success to go up quite a bit. If someone wants something badly enough there is no limit or lenghts to what someone may do or how cunning they may be to get what they want. Makes you think... There can be only one way it happened obviously. Would be interesting to hear what other theories people in here may have - I mean just possible theories that revolve around abduction...

I personally do not believe that Maddie was stolen by people jemmying shutters- and all that whooshing.

When discussing this a few years back, with friends at work, there was a few theories which you may be interested in;
1. Kate as an aethetist, gave the children a mild sleeping tonic- so they would not wake.
2. Maddie was removed from the apartment, alive, by someone she knew. Some one who may have been abusing her.
3. Maddie woke up and went to her parents room and accidentally swallowed pills? cause her to die, this was why an abduction had to be staged.

(there were more, I am not going to add them due to the nature of them)

All  just theories in the absence of knowing what acutally happened.

It had to be a dramatic abduction theory pushed by the McCANNS, anything else would have been bad PR.

And some people on here and else where, still add to that by saying: well, even if the parents were in the apartment Maddie would still have been abducted. ew
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