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Offline Myster

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3165 on: January 17, 2019, 02:12:57 PM »
Isn't that also speculation?

However .....

His computer history showed that

"on the morning of 7 January - weeks after JY's body had been found - Tabak searched for "Jo Yeates" on Google, minutes before moving on to the violent pornographic sites

"Some of those films contained images of a woman again being held by the throat," Mr Lickley told Bristol Crown Court.

And some recovered images showed a petite blonde woman with her top pulled up in a similar fashion to how Miss Yeates was found.

"That suggests he derived sexual pleasure from them," said Mr Lickley.

"He received a text message from his girlfriend but continued watching the pornography."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14904647

That mean-eyed stare is enough to make any woman's blood run cold.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3166 on: January 17, 2019, 03:12:30 PM »
That mean-eyed stare is enough to make any woman's blood run cold.

Well, he certainly isn't my type!  %56&

Offline Myster

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3167 on: January 17, 2019, 04:32:17 PM »
Well, he certainly isn't my type!  %56&
If you were there, you might not be here.  *%87
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3168 on: January 17, 2019, 04:45:29 PM »
If you were there, you might not be here.  *%87

There is that  8(8-))

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3169 on: January 19, 2019, 03:54:39 PM »
B-roll



Contents

1   Film and video production
2   History
2.1   16 mm film splices
2.2   Telecine transfer
2.3   Linear video tape editing
3   See also
4   References

Film and video production

Films and videos may cut away from the main story to show related scenery or action. Establishing shots may be used to show the audience the context of the story. These secondary images are often presented without sound, as the sound from the primary footage is expected to continue while the other images are shown. The various shots presented without sound are called B-roll.[3]

B-roll may be shot by smaller second unit crews, since there is no need for sound. In film, smaller MOS cameras may be used for greater portability and ease of setup.[3] In electronic news-gathering (ENG) and documentary film projects, B-roll footage is often shot after the main interview is shot, to provide supporting scenes for what was said by the interview subject.[2] In a docudrama project, B-roll may refer to dramatic re-enactment scenes staged by the producer and performed by actors, to be used as cutaway shots.[4]

B-roll footage may be added to or drawn from a stock footage library.[1][4]

History

16 mm film splices
The term B-roll originates from a particular solution to the problem of visible splices in the narrow film stock used in 16 mm film. 35 mm film was wide enough to hide splices, but 16 mm film revealed the splices as flaws in the picture. To avoid this problem, the intended shots were spliced to opaque black leader, with the black leader hiding the splice. Two sequences of shots were assembled, the odd-numbered shots on the A-roll, and the even-numbered shots on the B-roll, such that all of the shots on one roll were matched by black leader on the other roll, in a checkerboard pattern (an alternate name for the process was "checkerboard printing".) Unexposed 16 mm raw print stock was exposed twice, once to the A-roll, then it was exposed again to the B-roll.[5][6][7]

Telecine transfer

Until the mid-1970s, ENG teams shot both main A-roll and secondary B-roll footage on 16 mm film. Sound was integrated onto the film by way of a magnetic stripe at the edge of the film. The A-roll and B-roll scenes, shot at 24 frames per second, were converted to the television frame rate of 30 fps using a telecine system consisting of two film projectors, one showing the main A-roll footage and the other showing the B-roll. The sound from the A-roll footage was used, or sound from narration or voiceover, while MOS images from the B-roll were intercut as desired.[2]

Linear video tape editing

In the 1980s, the term B-roll was adopted for linear video editing using at least two video tape machines. Traditionally, the tape decks in an edit suite were labeled by letter, with the 'A' deck being the one containing the main tape upon which the main action material was shot. The 'B' deck was used to run tapes that held additional footage such as establishing shots, cutaway shots, and any other supporting footage. The sound was usually taken from the A deck alone, so that the B deck provided video without sound.[3] As linear editing systems were unable to dissolve between clips on the same tape, an edit decision list (EDL) was used to mark clips as "A-roll" and "B-roll" to indicate source machines.


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431
Joanna Yeates Videos and B-Roll Footage

Who therefore has the A-Roll?

And when was the B-Roll made... And I do not mean uploaded to Getty...

Looking at the Getty website, they all appear to be even numbered, one odd number is this clip.... The tour of Joanna Yeates Flat..

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-interior-point-of-view-shots-walking-into-news-footage/129277951


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B-roll may be shot by smaller second unit crews, since there is no need for sound. In film, smaller MOS cameras may be used for greater portability and ease of setup.[3] In electronic news-gathering (ENG) and documentary film projects, B-roll footage is often shot after the main interview is shot, to provide supporting scenes for what was said by the interview subject.[2] In a docudrama project, B-roll may refer to dramatic re-enactment scenes staged by the producer and performed by actors, to be used as cutaway shots.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-roll

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/videos/joanna-yeates?offlinecontent=include&phrase=joanna%20yeates&sort=mostpopular

List of odd numbered clips below...

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-police-officers-forensic-officers-outside-news-footage/456732171

That clip was shot on the 29th September 2011.. How close to trial is that??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/interior-shots-around-the-bedroom-belonging-to-murdered-news-footage/129277929

The next Clip apparently was shot on the 29th Sept 2011 also.... But how??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shot-floral-tribute-for-joanna-yeates-with-news-footage/456732169

Getty states that is the 29th September 2011, That should be in 2010.... It's an A-Roll clip...
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Credit:   Sky News/Film Image Partner
Clip #:   456732169   HD
Collection:   Sky News
Date created:   29 September, 2011
Licence type:   Rights-ready
Release info:   Not released. More information
Clip length:   00:01:00
Location:   Bristol, England, United Kingdom
Mastered to:   QuickTime 8-bit Photo-JPEG HD 1920x1080 25i More information
Originally shot on:   DVCPRO HD 1080 50i
Source:   Sky News
Object name:   1195521_127755975-060

Another created on the 29th September 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-forensic-police-officers-removing-a-news-footage/456732197


Again it has the date of 29th September 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-man-handing-a-police-officer-grey-sock-man-news-footage/456732193

20th October 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-greg-reardon-boyfriend-of-murdered-woman-news-footage/130017809

This from 2nd Jan 2011
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-in-bristol-have-renewed-their-call-for-help-from-news-footage/107853537

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Collection:   Sky News
Date created:   29 December, 2010
Licence type:   Rights-ready
Release info:   Not released. More information
Clip length:   00:00:50
Location:   Bristol, England, United Kingdom
Mastered to:   QuickTime 8-bit Photo-JPEG HD 1920x1080 25i More information
Originally shot on:   DVCPRO HD 1080 50i
Source:   Sky News
Object name:   6321_101590071-U07514

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-night-shots-forensic-van-parked-outside-jo-news-footage/107830935

Another two from 29th September 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-police-searching-for-evidence-in-drains-news-footage/456732181

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Police Searching Through Drains For Evidence
CLEAN: Exterior shots police searching for evidence in drains looking through leaves. Police Searching Through Drains For Evidence on September 29, 2011 in Bristol, England (Footage by Sky News/Getty Images)

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-police-searching-for-evidence-in-drains-news-footage/456732183

Then we have Ann Reddropp outside Bristol Crown Court.. 28th October 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shot-ann-reddrop-crown-prosecution-service-makes-news-footage/131193037

14th October 2011

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-country-lane-stone-wall-with-bouquet-of-news-footage/129623835

17th October 2011

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Parents of Joanna Yeates Arrive at Court
CLEAN: Exterior shots David & Theresa Yeates walking into Bristol Crown Court with their son Chris Parents of Joanna Yeates Arrive at Court on October 17, 2011 in Bristol, England (Footage by Sky News/Getty Images)

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-david-theresa-yeates-walking-into-bristol-news-footage/129713913

The odd numbered clips are shot in HD... The rest are SD..

When ever I post , I always think I am Missing something....  It's like an itch that needs scratching.... Everything apparently is in plain sight... So what am I Missing about this??

I got the information about B-Roll from wiki... now yes, you should laugh, wiki the font of all knowledge... But it's confusing... something about the clips and the dates doesn't add up! (imo)


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B-roll footage may be added to or drawn from a stock footage library.[1][4]

Now think about that..

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3170 on: January 19, 2019, 04:50:22 PM »
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B-roll footage may be added to or drawn from a stock footage library.[1][4]

So I went to look for "Stock Footage".....

And found this....

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Source:This clip is available for licensing from our partners at Getty Images Collection ITN Title Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence Details Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence; 10.10.2011 TRACKING SHOT allong passageway alongside Joanna Yeates's flat License Type rightsready Asset ID 656486708

Now on the getty website this is the information for this clip..

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Credit:   ITN
Clip #:   656486708   SD
Collection:   ITN
Date created:   19 October, 2011
Licence type:   Rights-ready
Release info:   Not released. More information
Clip length:   00:00:04:19
Location:   United Kingdom
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Source:   ITN
Object name:   t19101107_725.mov

Yet at the bottom of the clip we have .....

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Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence
Joanna Yeates murder trial: defendant Vincent Tabak gives evidence; 10.10.2011 TRACKING SHOT allong passageway alongside Joanna Yeates's flat


So when was the clip actually made??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-defendant-vincent-tabak-gives-news-footage/656486708

You see, they shouldn't be at the Flat before the jury visited, they say that Dr Vincent Tabak gives evidence, but how can he have given evidence on the 10/10/2011 ?? He didn't take the stand till days later...

The clip finishes inside Joanna Yeates Flat, so how did they have footage before the jury visit??

http://www.footage.net/Search

This is something I don't understand

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Joanna Yeates murder: Vincent Tabak found guilty of murder
Joanna Yeates murder: Vincent Tabak found guilty of murder; R29121006 (TX 29.12.2010) Christopher Jefferies (Landlord who was arrested on suspicion of murder) along

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/vincent-tabak-found-guilty-of-murder-r29121006-news-footage/656462706

It's this number R29121006..

When I search that number in google it gives me loads of vids for Joanna Yeates.. and videos of other murders and Missing People... What does it signify??

Is it an  identifying number for something/someone?  Does anyone know??

Or is it still about fake news??  What is it really all about??

I will never know... and no-one else will either...



Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3171 on: January 19, 2019, 08:26:00 PM »
So I went to look for "Stock Footage".....

And found this....

Now on the getty website this is the information for this clip..

Yet at the bottom of the clip we have .....


So when was the clip actually made??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/joanna-yeates-murder-trial-defendant-vincent-tabak-gives-news-footage/656486708

You see, they shouldn't be at the Flat before the jury visited, they say that Dr Vincent Tabak gives evidence, but how can he have given evidence on the 10/10/2011 ?? He didn't take the stand till days later...

The clip finishes inside Joanna Yeates Flat, so how did they have footage before the jury visit??

http://www.footage.net/Search

This is something I don't understand

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/vincent-tabak-found-guilty-of-murder-r29121006-news-footage/656462706

It's this number R29121006..

When I search that number in google it gives me loads of vids for Joanna Yeates.. and videos of other murders and Missing People... What does it signify??

Is it an  identifying number for something/someone?  Does anyone know??

Or is it still about fake news??  What is it really all about??

I will never know... and no-one else will either...

I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3172 on: January 21, 2019, 12:16:01 PM »
As I stated, hours before the murder Tabak viewed pornography on his laptop and / or PC, as evidenced by police who seized them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8847951/Vincent-Tabak-developed-sexual-fetish-after-watching-violent-porn-films.html

'Experts were also able to show that Tabak logged onto a pornographic website on the morning of December 17, the day he murdered Miss Yeates.'


Myster... This is why it is confusing....

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It can now be revealed that his regular routine also included maintaining his interest in pornography.

Mr Lickley said: “On the 7th January, the first Friday he was at home after the killing, he was home alone and when alone he spent some time looking at websites related to Joanna Yeates.

“He was monitoring the investigation. But from looking at images of her he then moved to porn.

He began looking at images of Joanna Yeates, having Googled her name at 7.37am. Less than two minutes later, at 7.38am, he started looking at redtube.com [a pornographic website] and looked at a number of films.

“Some of these films contained images of women being held by the throat. He received a text message from his girlfriend, then continued watching porn. At 8.04 he returned his girlfriend’s call.”

Home is not defined.... Do they mean ,were he was staying at Aberdeen Road, or do they mean that he was at Canygne Road??

By stating home, to me I see that as Canygne Road, because that is where his home is....  But he was supposed to have moved out of Canygne Road before the 7th January 2011

This is why it confuses, nothing is made clear as to were events took place.... Then I being to wonder if they are talking about someone else.... How did they know for sure that it was Dr Vincent Tabak on that computer on that day?, how did they support this was true??...

But we have this from Sally's page ..
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I didn’t take any photos- the snow was dirty.
At 7.25 – after I had returned, I accessed my bank account via Internet until 7.37pm.
Defence Counsel: Can we just put the timeline to one side? What did you do after 7.37pm?
Tabak: I drank a beer. I watched TV- I cannot remember what. I had supper- a readymade pizza. Then I decided to go out again

We have a set of times that stay the same ,( morning or night) but the date appear to change... If Dr Vincent Tabak was apparently looking at porn on the 17th December 2010 after 7:37 pm, then the watching TV  is the apparent porn watching....

But... the article has the porn watching on the 7th January 2011 at 7:37am.... Morning or night appear more than once... (i'll post)

Going back to the tweets..I posted before...

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Rupert Evelyn

 
@rupertevelyn

When Tabak got home he used his girlfriend's profile on their computer. Accessed the dyson.com webmail. Tanja worked at Dyson


What proof was there that he did this? Who are they talking about??

Accessed the dyson.com webmail. Tanja worked at Dyson

Then we have ..

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While he was there he sent a text message to his girlfriend Tanja Morson, who was at an office Christmas party in Wiltshire, telling her he was “bored”.

From Sally's paper

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Dr Tabak is alleged to have strangled Joanna Yeates on Friday evening on 17
December 2010, after she returned from the public house, the Bristol Ram, and whilst his
girlfriend Miss Tanja Morson was attending her firm’s annual Christmas party that
evening. She was a financial analyst at Dyson Ltd, Head Office, Tetbury Hill,
Malmesbury, SN16 0RP, England.

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Timeline 29- there was a much longer telephone call at 4.23pm.
Timeline 30- Internet use at home- Tanja used the laptop – The Defendant was still at
work. Timeline 31- Vincent Tabak texted girlfriend Tanja: ‘How are you? Getting ready for
party?’

Then..
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Timeline 45- Vincent Tabak’s journey home- 6.54 at Constitution Hill. Home just after
7pm by which time Tanja had already left. Text message to Tanja- ‘Just got home’.

By looking at the timelines, I cannot see how Tanja went to work that day, she may have left the premises in the morning, but nothing says when she arrived back home....

Did she work from home?  If Tanja logged onto the home computer at timeline 30, she should have been at home... meaning why come home from work if there's an Office party?  It's a decent journey to Dyson , Why not just take your party clothes to work and get changed there?? Why travel from Malmesbury all the way home to Bristol, only to have not a lot of time to get changed... She is not home when Dr Vincent Tabak arrived around 7:00pm...

She was a financial analyst at Dyson Ltd.... she could have easily worked from home.... (imo)

Where's the CCTV of Tanja arriving home or leaving home??



Another oddity... From The Mirror 28th October 2011

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CALCULATING killer Vincent Tabak cruelly duped his loyal girlfriend Tanja into feeling sorry for him after he murdered Jo.

A friend told how the engineer spent Christmas pretending to be worried about the woman he had cold-heartedly murdered.

Caring Tanja Morson was so concerned she left work early one day so he would not be alone while a murderer was on the loose.

Why would.... Caring Tanja Morson be so concerned she left work early one day so he would not be alone while a murderer was on the loose???

Why would Dr Vincent Tabak be afraid of being on his own???

It is always 2 options... which way the story will go..... But I have found something else which I will post about.. I keep saying it is like its a production... Two different version, or even more than that, a story line..

Countdown to Murder's story line is different from the CrimeWatch version/ Killers version... and it shouldn't be, it is after a trial, the information should be from the evidence at trial, the statement that Dr Vincent Tabak makes, the version of events that Dr Vincent Tabak gives, whether you believe that version or not...!!

The B-Roll is important, the CCTV is important, they are connected in some way.... I keep looking at the B-Roll


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg507742#msg507742

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murderer-vincent-tabaks-88441

https://twitter.com/rupertevelyn/status/123360394558455808

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8847771/Vincent-Tabak-carried-on-as-if-nothing-happened-after-murder-of-Joanna-Yeates.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8847951/Vincent-Tabak-developed-sexual-fetish-after-watching-violent-porn-films.html

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3173 on: January 21, 2019, 09:35:42 PM »
How many takes does it take to do the reconstruction at Tesco's Express in Clifton?

This clip is filmed in the day:

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Joanna Yeates murder: man arrested
Joanna Yeates murder: man arrested; 18.1.2011 ENGLAND: Bristol: EXT / INT Filming of 'Crimewatch' programme featuring RECONSTRUCTION of Joanna Yeates (played by actress) arriving at Tesco store / camera operator inside store / actress in store (filmed through window)

Info of date of creation..
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Credit:   ITN
Clip #:   655516666   SD
Collection:   ITN
Date created:   20 January, 2011
Licence type:   Rights-ready
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https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/man-arrested-18-1-2011-england-bristol-ext-int-filming-of-news-footage/655516666

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Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction
Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction; ENGLAND: Bristol: EXT / NIGHT Filming of 'Crimewatch' programme featuring RECONSTRUCTION of Joanna Yeates (murdered landscape architect) buying pizza from Tesco store and leaving store

Date of creation..

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Credit:   ITN
Clip #:   655327448   SD
Collection:   ITN
Date created:   18 January, 2011
Licence type:   Rights-ready
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https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-england-bristol-ext-night-news-footage/655327448

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Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction
Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction; Bristol: INT Various shots of RECONSTRUCTION being filmed for BBC 'Crimewatch' programme, showing 'Joanna' (played by actress) buying a pizza in Tesco Express store (seen through windows) EXT / NIGHT Reporter to camera INT Various shots of RECONSTRUCTION being filmed for BBC 'Crimewatch' programme, showing 'Joanna' (played by actress) buying a pizza in Tesco Express store (seen through windows) EXT / NIGHT Cameramen gathered outside Tesco Express store INT Various shots of RECONSTRUCTION being filmed for BBC 'Crimewatch' programme, showing 'Joanna' (played by actress) buying a pizza in Tesco Express store (seen through windows)

Created details....

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Credit:   ITN
Clip #:   655347000   SD
Collection:   ITN
Date created:   18 January, 2011
Licence type:   Rights-ready
Release info:   Not released. More information
Clip length:   00:00:45:23
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https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-bristol-int-various-shots-of-news-footage/655347000

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Looking at those 3 clips there are definite differences...

(1): Clearly it is day light when the actress playing Joanna Yeates arrives and enters the Tesco store...  The time that the Polices CCTV footage they have at the Tesco's store is 20:36pm,.. I have commentated on that video before...
The date of creation is also of interest... 20th January 2011.. This being the date that Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested..

Another observation is she is accompanied to the store with someone who waits outside, I don't know if they are crew or are supposed to be someone who went to the store with her?

When the actress is about to enter the store, you can see a plum/ dark pink T-shirt it appears to be V necked, but in the Ram CCTV footage it is round necked.. and is light in colour..(just an observation)
The Filming Company camera's come from [films@59], so which ever production made this may have rented the camera's to film the reconstruction... at 7 seconds of the video, you can see the company name films@59 label on a camera used in the filming...


(2): First observation it is dark, there are Police Officers standing outside the store... the date of creation is the 18th January 2011... There are no media pressed up close and personal to the Tesco's window pane.... When the actress leaves the store, they have very few media people visible, but you can see the Christmas lights are still up in the street.


(3): First observation, media up close and personal to the window, the date of creation is the 18th January 2011, it is still light outside.... Police lacking at the door... The reporter in the piece is Darshna Soni, but I did notice another reporter there.. Martin Brunt, I don't know which news agency he works for... The image I have attached shows it is still light outside.....


If Joanna Yeates did not got to Tesco's till after she had left The Ram pub at 8:00pm on Friday 17th December 2010, explain to me why we have 3 productions of what should be a simple reconstruction, showing the apparent reconstruction at different times in the day and they are created on different dates??

It may be  useful to film at the actual time of the event, seeing as people have routines, and maybe the killer was hanging about to see what the Police actually knew....

Are the date of creation and the date of filming different..(imo).. ( they should be)you should try to get the footage to be as close to the actual event.... And a killer maybe being interested, may want to know if anything was different...
The fact that when the actress playing Joanna Yeates is at the checkout we have the man with the dark hat and black coat MISSING from the reconstruction... They could have used an actor for that part, but oddly he is MISSING...

On the original footage, when the man moves after he has bought his produce, we never see his face, which is fair enough, he appears to have a strap on his right shoulder and a motif of something white....

But then when watching the clip with Darshna Soni, at 39 seconds of the clip, as we see Martin Brunt, a man walks past wearing a coat with a similar motif... At first I thought it was the actor who would play the man next to Joanna Yeates in Tesco's, but it may just be that it is a coincidence that someone in a black coat, with a white motif on the back of his coat walked by... Maybe they decided not to use him... I think the motif is "Northface", not sure, my other half said it was, and it may be a very common coat.... It just peaked my interest, seeing as I was looking for the man in the store and he wasn't there....
One last thing I noticed about the clip, at 40 seconds we can see something in Martin Brunt's hand, as Martin Brunt looks up and looks at the camera filming him...he has a leaflet in his hand, with an image of a male, who appears either to be bald or very short hair wearing sunglasses/glasses....  Why would Martin Brunt have this leaflet, when he is apparently doing a piece to camera about Joanna Yeates who has been murdered?? I wondered why MB should have this image in his hand??

What I find noticeable about the filming of this, is the amount of media present when they are trying to film a Crime Watch reconstruction, I don't understand how and why.....

The link below is Getty B-Roll for Crime watch and you cannot just view them, well I mean you can view anything else other than what the BBC made...  So if Crime Watch is made by the BBC, and the BBC do not let anyone look at their B-Roll without requesting, why have we got footage of a CrimeWatch reconstruction of Joanna Yeates at Tesco's to view...

Do you see why I think it all odd... And why there is always 2 of everything....  and 2 possible options and possible outcomes...

So going back to the Tesco CCTV footage of Joanna Yeates, was she actually in Tesco's at 8:30pm or 8:30 am on Friday 17th December 2010.. we know the timestamp and date have been added to that footage, it has gone threw an editing suite of some sort having the frames per second visible on the image, plus the word [play] on it also....

We have never seen the Tesco's Receipt, we have no real idea of the time.....  and every piece of CCTV we see about this case, the timestamps are Missing.... The Footage of her in the Ram could be early morning of the 17th December 2010 for all anyone knows.... (midnight for instance, which would give the correct date, the date is on the Ram footage , but not the time...)

Every B-Roll and documentary about this case raises more questions... The filming should have been on a Friday at the exact same time and place, with the same people in the store and the same positions as the CCTV..
We can see from the original CCTV there are at least 3 people other than Joanna Yeates in Tesco's on that CCTV... I was going to say night, but unless I can see the original time stamp.. I won't agree with that... And if we count the store shop assistant, that makes a total of 5 people including Joanna Yeates in  Tesco's at the time when  she purchased  the Pizza...

They seem to be inaccuracies in the reconstruction, which was made after the release of the Tesco's CCTV to the public on the 24th December 2010..... People were aware of what she bought and where she bought it....

If I go back to the footage of the morning reconstruction and Joanna Yeates is entering Tesco's... was that on her way to work?? Without the exterior CCTV footage and the real timestamp of the CCTV, we will never know when Joanna Yeates purchased said Pizza!!

And the reconstruction was therefore pointless... because it should have depicted what happened at Tesco's, but it doesn't it  only adds to the confusion (imo)

The timestamps are crucial.... the timestamps would show when Joanna Yeates was were and at what time.... How can anyone just accept these apparent timelines, when no-one has seen proof of these times... Making a confession by anyone questionable.... And if Crime Watch are filming when it is light and when it is dark... when did Joanna Yeates actually shop at Tesco's??

Edit... I am pointing out what I observe... I am also looking for something that the sobbing girl may have seen on TV,  did she see anyone in the reconstruction.?? .Or did she notice the time of day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeW_Jwn43g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJwSkKu4IY

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/videos/crimewatch-reconstruction?offlinecontent=include&phrase=crimewatch%20reconstruction&sort=best#license

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« Reply #3174 on: January 22, 2019, 11:40:50 AM »
Trying to establish when the main footage was taken and by whom is difficult, I stated that there was a label on one of the cameras used inside the Tesco's store with the name of a production company... This production company, does do it's own productions, but also hires out equipment, so I cannot say whom, filmed the reconstruction....

All I have to go on is which Reporters are at the scene at the time, I have discovered MB works for Sky and DS works for Channel4...  Not being able to see any of the B-Roll of the BBC I am not sure whether or not they reported on this reconstruction...  But ITV has a report about the reconstruction, which was created on the 18th January 2011...

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Why is RE on his own outside Tesco's reporting with no-one else there about the reconstruction... ???

The description Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction
Joanna Yeates murder: police stage reconstruction; Reporter to camera[
...

Why is RE not part of the media who are there at the time filming as the reconstruction is taking place?? When was this reconstruction made?? Did ITV/ITN not attend at the time of the reconstruction??

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/police-stage-reconstruction-bristol-int-various-shots-of-news-footage/655347000

RE's report... ( stood outside Tesco's a lone reporter on an empty street.)

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Like Jo's parents the Police also hope that the public provide the key for solving this Murder, a reconstruction filmed here today, another element designed to jog people's memories

Comparing the other media shots of the reconstruction where there are on-lookers and a mass of media present, RE's report by himself makes me question why??

Why was he not invited to the gathering??

Was it anything to do with ITV/ITN being banned from the Police Conferences??

Was the footage shot earlier than the date of creation of the B-Roll footage??

If so, how much earlier??

The oddity in this, even though I am asking why RE is not there at the same time as the other reporters, the link I have provided which shows DS and MB in the clip, the source of that clip is credited to ITN? same with the RE's report...

It's confusing...  Out of these B-rolls I do not know which bits were screened to viewers watching the case unfold...  I do not understand why RE is reporting on a quiet street on his own... It's puzzling....


I'll go back to something I said before about his twitter account... There is NO Blue Tick.... It really could be anyone saying that they are RE....

And another thing, when I see images of him he never looks the same, similar, but different....

Here's a random thought.....

Has he got a twin??

(i'll attach images)

(1): Image 1 of RE he is reporting from Cardiff, there is a Police Van and Police man stood outside a modern house, a satellite dish is on the roof of a set of garages and a washing line with pegs upon it..his microphone is attached to his jacket..

(2): Image 2 of RE he is reporting from the same location, you can still see the satellite , pegs and more of the garages, but he his on his own, the Police are no longer there and his microphone is attached to his shirt...

Those are the obvious differences, but in image (2) his hair looks slightly different and his face looks fuller and fatter......

It's not the first time I have thought that about RE.. The images I have seen many times have had me question what I have seen....

Is this case something to do with Twins?? 2 of everything?? 2 versions of events...

Is that what is starring everyone in the face?? It's about twins??  Did Joanna Yeates have a twin??  Did Vincent Tabak have a twin??

When I see the images outside the court in Bristol, even when I see Nigel Lickley QC, it doesn't quite look like him... similar but different...

Maybe that something to contemplate... Maybe that why I see dopple-gangers everywhere..


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« Reply #3175 on: January 22, 2019, 05:08:44 PM »
Steven Morris

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Fri 11 Feb 2011 19.00 GMT First published on Fri 11 Feb 2011 19.00 GMT
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More than 300 people have attended the funeral of Joanna Yeates, the murdered landscape architect.

"There were a lot of people here, some who had taken great trouble to come," said the Rev Peter Gilks, who led the service. "There was a very reverend and prayerful atmosphere. It was quiet and reflective more than sombre.

"The family said they didn't want to make it a celebration, I think it's too early for that. There are things in Jo's life that gave them great joy and the service was about helping with their sense of grief and loss because it's still very early days since her death."

The funeral service and burial took place at St Mark's in Ampfield, Hampshire, the family's church where Yeates was christened.

Then an article about Dr Vincent Tabak's girlfriend, Tanja Morson, by The Sun..

By JOHN COLES
14th February 2011, 1:45 am  Updated: 4th April 2016, 7:45 pm


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THE girlfriend of Jo Yeates’ alleged killer emerges from a prison visit — on
the same day as the tragic 25-year-old’s funeral.

Tanja Morson, 34, was seen for the first time since Vincent Tabak was charged.

She arrived at top-security Long Lartin prison with the Dutchman’s brother
Marcel and a female family friend who had travelled from Holland.

The trio went to the Worcestershire jail on Friday afternoon as Jo’s family
held her funeral in her home village of Ampfield, Hants — at which she was
described as “an English rose”.

Financial analyst Tanja, who lived with Tabak in a flat next to Jo, has kept a
low profile since her boyfriend’s arrest.

There are actually 2 problems with this article from The Sun.... Why identify Tanja Morson?? And why would Tanja Morson pose for the cameras???



This image we have seen many times.... We have Marcel, Tanja Morson and another female...
Observation... Tanja has no glasses on..



Observation.. Brown Coat necklace glasses..

I just used these 2 images and I have found more.... and that is why I will post this first....

I could never understand why Ann Redropp was involved with this case, it didn't appear to cover her remit as The Head of The Complex Case Unit... But if "TWINS" are involved then it would make this case complex....

And maybe my opinion may be changed, but not totally....

mrswah has stated on more than one occasion that she is not sure fully as to whether Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent or Not, and I have often got confused by who ever responds, as they do not respond in the way I may be used to and their attitude towards me appears foreign....

So I wondered if that was it.... This has to do with Twins... thats why there is 2 of everything... Who the twins are I have no idea.... But everything is similar but not quite the same.....

Take these images of Tanja and Dr Vincent Tabak...



They look similar but NOT the same...

Is it Dr Vincent Tabak in both images??

Is it Tanja in both images??

I always wondered why images of those at the centre of this case look off....

Is the man who is serving 20 years in prison for the Murder of Joanna Yeates, Dr Vincent Tabak?? Has Dr Vincent Tabak got a twin.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak cover for someone??

If the case is about twins and proving who did what, was that the difficulty that the Police faced??

I've always been convinced that Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent based on what is known and the timelines... etc.. etc... But if twins are involved, then it would change the complexion of the case massively... Did Dr Vincent Tabak pervert the course of justice?? Is that his crime??

Did he take the blame for someone else, because he tried to manipulate the system??

It's just an idea I have, but something has to explain more than one version of events... Something has to explain why no-one in the legal system speaks out, something has to explain, why no-one in the media speaks out.....

And why no-one makes comments about this case...

I think about what I have looked at and what legally I believed I found was completely ignored and not one person does anything about it or questions it.... Apart from people earlier on and an odd person... But NOT the people I expect to make comment....

There has to be a reason that a huge amount of material is available on the internet, and this case to me doesn't seem quite over....

There has to be a reason that the stories are similar but not the same....  There has to be a reason why we have a report from marcel that Dr Vincent Tabak was in Holland earlier, yet the official version is he didn't go to Holland until later...

There has to be a reason why the dates are always slightly off and why we have creation dates and re-enactments of the same event... Forensics twice at Canygne Road...  The change of position of the bodies deposition... The two areas of wall on Longwood Lane, similar but yards apart....

I have never really understood why I'm allowed to talk to myself on this topic... And why the timings never add up....

If we are talking twins and they have spoke to a pair of twins in relation to this case..... And interviewed said twins in relation to this case, then contradictory statements would appear... From the apparent No Comment to the interviews and statements that have been given..

I always like to make it clear , that this is just me... It is me trying to understand why this case makes no sense... But if you put twins into the mix... then this case makes lots of sense.... Or even someone assuming the role of an individual, instead of being a twin... But we always have 2 versions at least of everything... we have after the 48hr turn around of the DNA, no further testing is done...  They wouldn't need to if they killer is related... they have the DNA, it will match somewhere along the line.... (imo) And the FULL profile that they had that has never been questioned maybe is from someone who is related to the partial DNA/low copy DNA that they had...

What better way to be in two places at the same time... and said behaviour is different to what people may be used to ... And ones recollection would not be the same if the only thing you know, is what has been reported in the media....

Thinking about it... there has to be a reason why the Police released so much information so early on.... The Missing sock for instance, the killer would be the only person who should know about it... But if one person is protecting another then at least 2 people know about the Missing sock, so it is not the only link to the killer...

And maybe that is why the Pizza and receipt are important, and the timing of Joanna Yeates arriving at Tesco's, only one person would know about this... only one person may have shared this..... And removed this....

But if they were not aware of the receipt, and they did not know what time Joanna Yeates was actually in Tesco's then deliberately allowing the public to believe it was night time, follows with the story on the stand... It follows with what appears to be a correct version of events.... But I did say in one my post .... The Tesco's reconstruction that was done twice, was because maybe, it was at 8:36 am that Joanna Yeates bought said Pizza and that is the reason we have the made up time stamp on the CCTV version of the Tesco's footage...

I could be wrong about this... It's an idea... a scenario... just like all of my other scenario's..... But (imo) there appears to be something fundamentally wrong with this case.... I can never quite put my finger on it....

The apparition that is Dr Vincent Tabak... The man I started with being totally convinced he was innocent.... I may change my stance... But there has to be a reason that a man is in prison on what appears to be unsound evidence, a man who apparently out of nowhere makes an apparent confession to a crime, based on what is known, could not have committed said crime....

It is not unheard of that twins have committed Murder together, but what if one twin is the crazy one and the other twin is Innocent?? What if one twin was protecting the other twin and ended up in it up to their necks..??

As I say it's an idea.... And there has to be a reason for the complexity of this case... Because I have been stumped by the information and how names have come out of the blue, how nothing adds up....

Maybe this is still a live investigation....  I do not know.... But I know that I cannot have found so many inconsistencies in this case, information staring us in the face.....

There is something about this case that is not right... But I cannot for the life in me work it out.... But can look at what I find and make observations and comment on possibilities that would make this case make sense....



https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/369964/accuseds-girl-visits-jail-as-jo-is-laid-to-rest/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/feb/11/joanna-yeates-funeral-church

https://www.ranker.com/list/killer-twins/lea-rose-emery

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« Reply #3176 on: January 22, 2019, 05:11:42 PM »
7 Images, of Tanja Morson, Marcel Tabak and another person visiting Long Lartin, which is supposed to be on the 11th February 2011...

Apologises for not being able to centre them...... (maybe a mod can tidy my images up..)  8)--))















These images all show Tanja Morson arriving and leaving Long Lartin Prison on my above post, we see Tanja entering Long Lartin prison, she is not wearing any glasses, the man I presume is Marcel, the woman may be a sister of Dr Vincent Tabak , I am not sure, but what the other female has with her is nothing... she appears to be Missing her hand bag, but also it looks like she is not really there... I mean she has been added to the image.... (photoshopped)

It wouldn't be the first time....

Are these images made up??

I have flower pots in some images and not in other, now people may come out of a different exit when they visit Long Lartin, but I do not know, But then I would question where is the bright coloured bag of Tanja Morson's when she is stood outside on her own, the image that is in my other post... (and above)?

When I found these images and scanned over them the date of these images is: 13th February 2011

The image of Tanja walking on her own with the brightly coloured bag shows information when you hover your mouse over it....

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13-02-2011 - Tanja Morson leaving Long Lartin Prison after visiting Vincent Tabac.

Now here's my problem.....  The funeral was apparently on the 11th February 2011... and the original date of the article in the media is 14th February 2011, and the date of the images is the 13th February 2011..

Odd... yes....

The article is whom is informing us of the date of the visit, but The Guardian gives us a date of the 11th February 2011 as Joanna Yeates funeral....

Then I come back to the staging..... Dr Vincent Tabak is turned into a monster from day one.... why should he have sympathy from the public... when his girlfriend is visiting and hasn't visited before?? His birthday had happened, he was on remand, and the public would believe that there must be evidence if bail wasn't even applied for...

But why the staging of this visit.... Is the date of the images I have attached proof of a staging?? What is going on with the media??

Am I coming back to fake news??

Or is it a case of everything is done twice??  All of the 7 images have the date of 13-02-2011, which is obviously after the funeral event....

How has it been possible for the media to happily mention Tanja Morson's name again and again.... How was evidence of communication between Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson mention at trial and in the media at the time of trial... How was Tanja Morson not called to verify these messages, or give any witness statements in relation to the weekend of the 17th December to the 19th December 2010??

It's ridiculous to me....

I always say the same... I do not know what this case is really about.... But it doesn't add up... Yes a man is in prison, but is he the right man....  thats what people really need to question.... (imo)

There is so much staging it's difficult to know what events are staged and what events are real.... (imo)


https://newslicensing.co.uk/?service=set&action=show_content_page&language=en&category=33&set=6877

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/369964/accuseds-girl-visits-jail-as-jo-is-laid-to-rest/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/feb/11/joanna-yeates-funeral-church

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3177 on: January 22, 2019, 07:33:21 PM »
7 Images, of Tanja Morson, Marcel Tabak and another person visiting Long Lartin, which is supposed to be on the 11th February 2011...

Apologises for not being able to centre them...... (maybe a mod can tidy my images up..)  8)--))















These images all show Tanja Morson arriving and leaving Long Lartin Prison on my above post, we see Tanja entering Long Lartin prison, she is not wearing any glasses, the man I presume is Marcel, the woman may be a sister of Dr Vincent Tabak , I am not sure, but what the other female has with her is nothing... she appears to be Missing her hand bag, but also it looks like she is not really there... I mean she has been added to the image.... (photoshopped)

It wouldn't be the first time....

Are these images made up??

I have flower pots in some images and not in other, now people may come out of a different exit when they visit Long Lartin, but I do not know, But then I would question where is the bright coloured bag of Tanja Morson's when she is stood outside on her own, the image that is in my other post... (and above)?

When I found these images and scanned over them the date of these images is: 13th February 2011

The image of Tanja walking on her own with the brightly coloured bag shows information when you hover your mouse over it....

Now here's my problem.....  The funeral was apparently on the 11th February 2011... and the original date of the article in the media is 14th February 2011, and the date of the images is the 13th February 2011..

Odd... yes....

The article is whom is informing us of the date of the visit, but The Guardian gives us a date of the 11th February 2011 as Joanna Yeates funeral....

Then I come back to the staging..... Dr Vincent Tabak is turned into a monster from day one.... why should he have sympathy from the public... when his girlfriend is visiting and hasn't visited before?? His birthday had happened, he was on remand, and the public would believe that there must be evidence if bail wasn't even applied for...

But why the staging of this visit.... Is the date of the images I have attached proof of a staging?? What is going on with the media??

Am I coming back to fake news??

Or is it a case of everything is done twice??  All of the 7 images have the date of 13-02-2011, which is obviously after the funeral event....

How has it been possible for the media to happily mention Tanja Morson's name again and again.... How was evidence of communication between Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson mention at trial and in the media at the time of trial... How was Tanja Morson not called to verify these messages, or give any witness statements in relation to the weekend of the 17th December to the 19th December 2010??

It's ridiculous to me....

I always say the same... I do not know what this case is really about.... But it doesn't add up... Yes a man is in prison, but is he the right man....  thats what people really need to question.... (imo)

There is so much staging it's difficult to know what events are staged and what events are real.... (imo)


https://newslicensing.co.uk/?service=set&action=show_content_page&language=en&category=33&set=6877

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/369964/accuseds-girl-visits-jail-as-jo-is-laid-to-rest/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/feb/11/joanna-yeates-funeral-church

Not wearing any glasses? They aren't glued on, they do come off!
Can't see if the other female has a bag or not but this has nothing to do with the murder of JY
It doesn't look photoshopped at all - it looks small and as such, much of the detail isn't visible
You can see the pots in some pictures and not in others because they are from a different angle. Look at the sign behind TM, they are different but you can see the top of the seat in the image with no pot - proving that it is simply from a different angle.
She does have her bag, it is pushed behind her in one of the images but she is holding the blue item in both.
Why are the dates odd?
How do you know TM gave no witness statement? According to this article, she gave a detailed statement https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-suspect-vincent-105911
It add up perfectly.

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« Reply #3178 on: January 23, 2019, 07:45:58 PM »
Part 1...


Jo Yeates murder: Suspect Vincent Tabak's girlfriend Tanja Morson 'devastated at his arrest'

FRIENDS of Tanja Morson last night told how she will be devastated at the arrest of boyfriend Vincent Tabak over the murder of Jo Yeates.

ByMartin Fricker
00:02, 22 JAN 2011 UPDATED19:11, 26 JAN 2012
NEWS

FRIENDS of Tanja Morson last night told how she will be devastated at the arrest of boyfriend Vincent Tabak over the murder of Jo Yeates.

The move is said to have shattered the 34-year-old fitness fanatic’s “perfect” world. Computer wizard Tabak, 32, was held after Tanja spoke to murder squad police, the Mirror can reveal. And it follows the emotional appeal by Jo’s parents David and Teresa to help catch the killer of their 25-year-old daughter.

A close friend of Tanja said: “She is such a lovely girl, we can’t believe she has got caught up in this. She will be in absolute pieces.

“Tanja comes from a well-to-do family and thought she had the perfect life.

“Now it’s shattered. Whether Vincent will be charged or released, Tanja’s life has changed forever. It’s just awful.

“I regularly speak to her on Facebook and she never mentioned any problems between her and Vincent.”

Jo lookalike Tanja’s Facebook page was changed to private viewing only shortly before her lanky Dutch boyfriend was arrested. The couple lived next door to architect Jo, who was found dead on Christmas Day three miles from the Bristol flat she shared with boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27.

Avon and Somerset Police yesterday refused to confirm or deny if Tanja had implicated Tabak, who she has been going out with for three years. But a source close to the inquiry said: “She is being treated as a potentially highly significant witness.”

Detectives were last night granted an ­extension to keep architect Tabak in custody until late this evening while they quiz him.

Officers spoke to the couple in the early stages of the inquiry but ruled out Tabak as a suspect. They have taken a detailed statement from both him and Tanja about his movements after December 17 when Jo was last seen alive after a night out.

Tanja, a treasury analyst at Dyson in ­Malmesbury, Wilts, has been questioned about her boyfriend’s behaviour.

Neighbours claimed Tabak left his home two days after Jo vanished and travelled to Holland to be with his family for Christmas. It is not known if his girlfriend went with him.

Tanja went to the Queenswood private school in Hertfordshire, where fees cost up to £26,000 a year. She was a boarder and left after completing her A-levels.

The friend added: “She was a popular girl at school and was really sporty. Her mum and dad are really nice and brought Tanja up well, so it must be awful for them too.”

Detectives visited Tanja’s £1million family home in Cambridge yesterday. They entered clutching papers, leaving after 30 minutes

Her dad Geoffrey Morson said later his daughter was still in Britain but refused to reveal her current location. He insisted rumours she and Tabak had split up shortly before Christmas were “absurd”. Mr Morson added: “The idea that they split up is wrong.”

Tanja and Tabak left their one-bedroomed, ground floor flat in Canynge Road, Clifton, when police forensic teams moved in just before Christmas.

The pair moved a mile away to Aberdeen Road, Cotham, to stay in a home owned by friend Emily Williams who is travelling in Chile. That is where police arrested Tabak in a dawn swoop on Thursday.

Nearby shopkeepers said they had spotted him and Tanja in recent days.

One added: “He has been in here regularly after work to buy a bottle of red wine. I’ve also seen his girlfriend walking past the shop. I recognise her because I like her woolly hat.


“I’ve also sold him some Rizlas and tomato ketchup. He comes in and gets his stuff and goes, he never says anything. He seems the sort who knows what he wants and gets on with it.”

Emily’s dad Michael said police had spoken to her. But he added: “I don’t know what she was able to tell them.”
Forensic experts yesterday continued trawling Tabak’s flat and the home where he was arrested for clues.

He works for a Bath firm that has links to Jo’s company.

Tabak is the second person arrested in the murder hunt. Jo’s landlord Chris Jefferies, 66, was arrested and late r released on police bail. He denies involvement.


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Articles sometimes go astray, so I have copied and pasted said article....

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A close friend of Tanja said: “She is such a lovely girl, we can’t believe she has got caught up in this. She will be in absolute pieces.
“Tanja comes from a well-to-do family and thought she had the perfect life.
“Now it’s shattered. Whether Vincent will be charged or released, Tanja’s life has changed forever. It’s just awful.
“I regularly speak to her on Facebook and she never mentioned any problems between her and Vincent.”
Jo lookalike Tanja’s Facebook page was changed to private viewing only shortly before her lanky Dutch boyfriend was arrested. The couple lived next door to architect Jo, who was found dead on Christmas Day three miles from the Bristol flat she shared with boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27.

The article was first published at 00:02, 22 JAN 2011.... Where is the information coming from?  If the warning came from the Attorney General about CJ, then why have the media posted this information??

Who is the close friend??

Tanja’s Facebook page was changed to private viewing only shortly before her lanky Dutch boyfriend was arrested.

Coincidence or warning??  Or simply a realisation that they would or may be witness's??  And how shortly before...?

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Avon and Somerset Police yesterday refused to confirm or deny if Tanja had implicated Tabak, who she has been going out with for three years. But a source close to the inquiry said: “She is being treated as a potentially highly significant witness.”

Highly significant witness to what?? ...

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Neighbours claimed Tabak left his home two days after Jo vanished and travelled to Holland to be with his family for Christmas. It is not known if his girlfriend went with him.

Maybe this is not the only report that Dr Vincent Tabak was in Holland earlier as I mentioned in my post,

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Tanja and Tabak left their one-bedroomed, ground floor flat in Canynge Road, Clifton, when police forensic teams moved in just before Christmas.

There a report that the Flat they lived in had 1 bedroom....  I've gone around in circles about that property, deciphering the layout has been difficult, I have been under the impression that the Flat we know as Joanna Yeates Flat is the Flat that Dr Vincent Tabak lived in...
With the photographs taken at the back of Canygne Road around the 22nd/23rd December 2010 and the forensics happening on the Bay window at this time also, I had come to the conclusion that the living arrangements had to be the opposite away around....

I have got quite animated about the bay window, I have not understood how the photographs of a mans flat were taken, so early on... A man who was ruled out apparently..... A man who should not have even been a suspect because anything untoward hadn't been established.... she was just a Missing person at that time... This is another reason that I believe the Flat with the Bay window was Joanna Yeates Flat.. And who stated that Dr Vincent Tabak lived in the basement Flat at 44, Canygne Road?? If I recall correctly , he only says he lived in Flat 2, if we cannot decipher which Flat is which, and Dr Vincent Tabak lived in a 1 bedroomed Flat, it is either the Flat we have come to know as Joanna Yeates Flat, or he lived in a Flat in the main house.... Or even next door at 42, Canygne Road..
It cannot be coincidence that the Police are taking forensic items from Peter Stanleys house on the 31st December 2010, when at the same time they are interviewing Dr Vincent Tabak in Holland about a car apparently changing position...

Tanja and Tabak left their one-bedroomed, ground floor flat in Canynge Road, Clifton, when police forensic teams moved in just before Christmas.

We see all the throughout the investigation the Police working on the Flat that we know as Joanna Yeates Flat, but if this report is correct then that was Dr Vincent Tabak's Flat that they had been working on... So why have they lead us to believe that it is Joanna Yeates Flat??

What was in that Flat that made then do a full forensic Investigation on a Missing woman??  A Missing woman whom lived next door??

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Tabak, 32 – who lived next to Jo in Bristol – left for Christmas in Holland two days after she vanished. Police spoke to both Tanja and Tabak early in the inquiry but had ruled them out.

That quote if we believe that Joanna Yeates disappeared on the 17th December 2010, makes the 19th December 2010 the date that Dr Vincent Tabak left for Holland...

Ruled out!!!!

But then I remember what Ann Reddrop stated outside Bristol Crown Court..


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-girlfriend-of-charged-106336

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-yeates-murder-suspect-vincent-105911

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« Reply #3179 on: January 23, 2019, 07:46:23 PM »
Part 2...

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Vincent Tabak was a cunning, dishonest and manipulative man who knew exactly what he was (deali) doing when he killed Joanna Yeates... Today he has been convicted by a jury of her murder last year, despite claiming he meant her know harm.. he was cunning and dishonest towards his girlfriend, with whom he had maintained a normal relationship.. Even going as far as to text her shortly after jo was dead to say he was bored..

He manipulated the Police by virtue of his Indepth research on the internet.. to keep one step ahead of the Investigation, before his arrest, looking up extradition and medical details of decomposition.. he made very selective admissions surrounding the circumstances of Jo's death which sought to cast herin an Unfavourable light... And he kept this up even when he gave Evidence to the Jury...

Tabak thought his cleverness and deceit would prevent him from being convicted of a brutal murder............. He was wrong!

Jo went missing on Friday 17th December last year after meeting with friends for a drink.. For several days the Police mounted a "Missing Person Inquiry", but with the discovery of her body on Christmas Morning, this became a "Murder Investigation...

Late in December the Police ask for assistance and guidance from The Crown Prosecution Service.. That assistance has come from "The South West Case Work Unit" based here in Bristol... I reviewed the Evidence and Advised that Vincent Tabak should be charged with this murder and began preparing this case for trial... In May this year Tabak admitted Jo's Manslaughter....but that was only part of it.. The Crowns Case is... and always has been that it was a deliberate action on his part.. And "That|is why we refused to accept his plea for Manslaughter"... and he faced trial for "Murder" over the past 4 weeks....

Jo's family have been here in Bristol, during the trial and have listened to much of the evidence... Our thoughts are with them and with her partner Greg today as Tabak begin's a life sentence for "Murdering" Jo...

Late in December the Police ask for assistance and guidance from The Crown Prosecution Service.. That assistance has come from "The South West Case Work Unit" based here in Bristol... I reviewed the Evidence and Advised that Vincent Tabak should be charged with this murder and began preparing this case for trial.

Ruled out..... Late December.... which one is it???

If Dr Vincent Tabak is in Holland for the Festive period, nothing has happened to warrant the Police or the CPS taking such an Interest in him....

It cannot be the so called phone call from Holland that Dr Vincent Tabak apparently made..... It's not enough for them to spend money flying out there, when they could have easily waited for his return.... Or was he not due back??

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A close friend of Tanja said: “She is such a lovely girl, we can’t believe she has got caught up in this. She will be in absolute pieces.

Remember the article is written, before Dr Vincent Tabak is charged, he has been arrested, just as CJ was, that statement in the papers already suggests that there is something else that is untoward... Maybe the images of children, who knows... But at this point in time, there should be positive messages of support and a denial of any involvement of her boyfriend, because he is the Placid Dutchman that DCI Phil Jones described...

What has she got to be in pieces about... He's was away at a possible relevant time.... Joanna Yeates is found on Longwood Lane on the 25th December 2010... No-one knows and still doesn't know the time of death... Why would she even suspect her boyfriend of anything at this time, especially when there is no evidence of anything against him.. We know this because NONE came to trial.... Apart from his statement of self incrimination on the stand...

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“Tanja comes from a well-to-do family and thought she had the perfect life.
“Now it’s shattered. Whether Vincent will be charged or released, Tanja’s life has changed forever. It’s just awful.

Again.... This suggest that there is something else other than Joanna Yeates murder.. whether you agree with me or not, it has to be the case....

If he is not charged of THAT crime, why else would her life be shattered???  As far as anyone at this point in time knows, Dr Vincent Tabak is a computer geek, he is polite and inoffensive... Nothing smacks of dangerous, womanising, perversions or anything else at this point.... And if that was the case, why didn't they have witness's at trial to support the fact that this man was a danger and had woman feeling uncomfortable... No-one states anything at trial that could add evidence of his wayward ways....

Why is Tanja's life shattered... she has a perfect life... her boyfriend at this time he is arrested is purely on suspicion, he is not charged at the time of this article, so who's telling there's more than meet the eye to his arrest....

CJ was arrest... he was released...... at midnight on the 22nd January 2011, it was just as probable that Dr Vincent Tabak too would be released.... Or it should have been (imo)

Where is the information coming from at this time??

The article is published at Midnight... therefore it had to be written before midnight, that being the 21st January 2011... So how did the media get the story before, ?? How could anyone be certain that Dr Vincent Tabak would be charged with this Murder??... They couldn't..... Or should I say they shouldn't....

Now I'm coming back to my twin idea..... If someone is either a twin or has assumed the role of Dr Vincent Tabak, then I can kinda understand why he was kept on remand... I can understand why there was a need to separate him from everything....

He was moved between 3 prisons in 48 hours if I remember correctly , and I had thought that was being unkind.....

 I do not know the ways of the law.... But..... If they were trying to smoke someone out , then not allowing anyone access to him makes sense....  If he foolishly believed that the person he was protecting gave a shit about him, then this would prove it.....

Everything is not what it seems.... similar , but not quite.....