Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy

[Redblossom]

I reckon you conveniently dropped the "professor" part ! Are your lollipop ladies professors ?

[Cariad]

Mr Aiofe is on my ignore list, for insisting in ignorance, but when someone answers him, I see.
The Clever Hans effect has nothing to do here, what handlers are aware of is something else, called the Rosenthal effect. It is the unconscious tendency for results to conform experimenter's expectations. Prof Harrison and Mr Grime had nothing to gain with alerts of the dogs. In itself the lack of alert would have been much more informative.

I haven't heard of that! Thank you, I'll Google it now.

I agree that Mr Grime had nothing to gain if the dogs alerted!

[Cudge]

I reckon you conveniently dropped the "professor" part ! Are your lollipop ladies professors ?

I am not disputing the relèvance of him Being  a professor. I just do not understand why over the last few months you have continually made reference to his award of an MBE as if this enhances his credentials in his field of work

[Aiofe]

I haven't heard of that! Thank you, I'll Google it now.

I agree that Mr Grime had nothing to gain if the dogs alerted!

You are certainly NOT on an ignore list. You still have many cites, references and supports outstanding for your erroneous claims.

[AnneGuedes]

I am not disputing the relèvance of him Being  a professor. I just do not understand why over the last few months you have continually made reference to his award of an MBE as if this enhances his credentials in his field of work

I didn't invent this title. No, it doesn't give him more credits, but I observed that posters criticized Mr Grime and not Prof Harrison who was in fact the head of the operation. For a time they even ignored he was a professor. So I deduced MBE impressed the British !
Interesting reading
http://criminology.research.southwales.ac.uk/media/files/documents/2013-10-31/Volume_4_Issue_2_Autumn_2008.pdf

[Cariad]

You are certainly NOT on an ignore list. You still have many cites, references and supports outstanding for your erroneous claims.

What erroneous claims have I made? If I can't provide a cite I usually edit my comment to say so. Can you be more specific please?

[Benice]

What erroneous claims have I made? If I can't provide a cite I usually edit my comment to say so. Can you be more specific please?

I could be wrong Cariad, but I think Aiofe may have got you mixed up with Anne.

[Cariad]

I could be wrong Cariad, but I think Aiofe may have got you mixed up with Anne.

Oh, Ok. Thank you. I couldn't for the life of me think what I'd claimed! 

[Aiofe]

What erroneous claims have I made? If I can't provide a cite I usually edit my comment to say so. Can you be more specific please?

Sorry, it is Anne making erroneous claims.

As far as your comment about Grime having nothing to gain- cuing is often unconscious- the handler does not realise they are doing it.

[Benice]

Sorry, it is Anne making erroneous claims.

As far as your comment about Grime having nothing to gain- cuing is often unconscious- the handler does not realise they are doing it.

This is true.  Not only do the dogs need to be regularly tested - so do the handlers IMO - simply because cueing can be unconscious - and result in false alerts.   

[John]

Can we please have sensible debate on this issue and leave the personal comments aside. TY

[faithlilly]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482105/Madeleine-McCanns-consult-American-lawyers-cadaver-dog-evidence.html

But then :

http://host.madison.com/news/zapata-admits-killing-wife-gets-years-the-former-madison-man/article_3f7a7f4f-cb83-5869-b9c6-23532bc49a4e.html

Seems at the beginning of the case police were similarly unable to charge Zapata through lack of evidence.

[AnneGuedes]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482105/Madeleine-McCanns-consult-American-lawyers-cadaver-dog-evidence.html

But then :

http://host.madison.com/news/zapata-admits-killing-wife-gets-years-the-former-madison-man/article_3f7a7f4f-cb83-5869-b9c6-23532bc49a4e.html

Seems at the beginning of the case police were similarly unable to charge Zapata through lack of evidence.

They are more pragmatic in the US...
He wasn't asked, at least on the record, but Prof Harrison was decent enough not to say what he personally thought of Eddie's change of behaviour as soon as 5A door was open.

[colombosstogey]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482105/Madeleine-McCanns-consult-American-lawyers-cadaver-dog-evidence.html

But then :

http://host.madison.com/news/zapata-admits-killing-wife-gets-years-the-former-madison-man/article_3f7a7f4f-cb83-5869-b9c6-23532bc49a4e.html

Seems at the beginning of the case police were similarly unable to charge Zapata through lack of evidence.

Should be a thread just for Zapata, because didnt the McCanns use this case to show how the dogs evidence was a waste of time.

Shame that the judge decided to ignore their findings when the bloke admitted to killing his wife what a year later in 2008.

So the dogs indicated correctly AGAIN.

Gosh those dogs are so darn clever...

[pathfinder73]

What makes sense is the trail the dogs found indicating Madeleine came through the front way as she said on Sept 6th. That's why tracking dogs are used.