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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2018, 01:35:24 PM
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I have started this thread for the benefit of the McCanns and their supporters who appear to have lost any notion of searching for Maddie. When I say search for Maddie I really mean do all and everything to recover the child or her remains.
We have to be realistic in such a search but a search it must be. A search for information from someone in the know which would see this mystery brought to an end. In order to achieve this there are many things that could be undertaken but it has to be done from Luz on the Algarve. Luz has to be the nerve centre, right there among the people who count because somewhere among that population is someone who has some if not all of the answers.
I have my own thoughts on what to do but let's hear what your ideas are?
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I have started this thread for the benefit of the McCanns and their supporters who appear to have lost any notion of searching for Maddie. When I say search for Maddie I really mean do all and everything to recover the child or her remains.
We have to be realistic in such a search but a search it must be. A search for information from someone in the know which would see this mystery brought to an end. In order to achieve this there are many things that could be undertaken but it has to be done from Luz on the Algarve. Luz has to be the nerve centre, right there among the people who count because somewhere among that population is someone who has some if not all of the answers.
I have my own thoughts on what to do but let's hear what your ideas are?
They should do nothing & leave it to the professionals to pursue the final leads.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402835/Fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry-McCann-police-pursue-two-leads.html?ito=social-facebook
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They should do nothing & leave it to the professionals to pursue the final leads.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402835/Fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry-McCann-police-pursue-two-leads.html?ito=social-facebook
Parents of any missing child would only do that if they knew the child was dead imo. The innocent parents of any missing child would go to the ends of the earth to find that child but apparently not this family. I wonder WHY?
Why are they so scared to return to Praia da Luz?
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Parents of a missing child would only do that imo if they knew the child was dead.
There are a multitude of agencies dealing with Madeleine's case & they have access to data & areas inaccessible to the parents. To date there is no proof she is dead - quite the opposite imo.
Are you aware there is also a reward currently being offered for information which will not be shared with the police?
http://www.anonymousreward.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/
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There are a multitude of agencies dealing with Madeleine's case & they have access to data & areas inaccessible to the parents. To date there is no proof she is dead - quite the opposite imo.
Are you aware there is also a reward currently being offered for information which will not be shared with the police?
http://www.anonymousreward.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/
What is the evidence that she is still alive....apart from the lack of a body ?
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There are a multitude of agencies dealing with Madeleine's case & they have access to data & areas inaccessible to the parents. To date there is no proof she is dead - quite the opposite imo.
Are you aware there is also a reward currently being offered for information which will not be shared with the police?
http://www.anonymousreward.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/
That's a fake site @)(++(* I wouldn't hold my breath if claiming any reward from them in the Maddie case, I'm surprised you've been taken in.
You leave your information and call back in two weeks to claim your reward...how pathetic. Is this not FRAUD?
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I have started this thread for the benefit of the McCanns and their supporters who appear to have lost any notion of searching for Maddie. When I say search for Maddie I really mean do all and everything to recover the child or her remains.
We have to be realistic in such a search but a search it must be. A search for information from someone in the know which would see this mystery brought to an end. In order to achieve this there are many things that could be undertaken but it has to be done from Luz on the Algarve. Luz has to be the nerve centre, right there among the people who count because somewhere among that population is someone who has some if not all of the answers.
I have my own thoughts on what to do but let's hear what your ideas are?
An age progression photo. The McCanns certainly seemed to be all for it a couple of years ago.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-mccann-wants-new-artists-7848651
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An age progression photo. The McCanns certainly seemed to be all for it a couple of years ago.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-mccann-wants-new-artists-7848651
Absolutely Faith, she would have changed significantly over the last few years if still alive.
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I have started this thread for the benefit of the McCanns and their supporters who appear to have lost any notion of searching for Maddie. When I say search for Maddie I really mean do all and everything to recover the child or her remains.
We have to be realistic in such a search but a search it must be. A search for information from someone in the know which would see this mystery brought to an end. In order to achieve this there are many things that could be undertaken but it has to be done from Luz on the Algarve. Luz has to be the nerve centre, right there among the people who count because somewhere among that population is someone who has some if not all of the answers.
I have my own thoughts on what to do but let's hear what your ideas are?
The Scotland Yard and the Judicial Police investigation has clearly failed to uncover any useful information but that isn't really all that surprising given that it was aimed primarily at finding someone to prosecute. The police are pretty feckless generally at finding missing children in historic cases so I hold out little hope of them doing so here.
Finding any trace of Madeleine has to be a civil initiative and finding the missing child has to be the priority irrespective of who was involved. Anonymity is the ace card here and only that guarantee will quite possible bring someone out of the shadows.
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That's a fake site @)(++(* I wouldn't hold my breath if claiming any reward from them in the Maddie case, I'm surprised you've been taken in.
You leave your information and call back in two weeks to claim your reward...how pathetic. Is this not FRAUD?
I haven't been taken in at all by the site. Strangely, the first (and only) mention of it came from Natasha Donn. It would seem someone is anxious to try to keep one step ahead of OG. IMO.
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I haven't been taken in at all by the site. Strangely, the first (and only) mention of it came from Natasha Donn. It would seem someone is anxious to try to keep one step ahead of OG. IMO.
Too right. I wonder who it might be?
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I haven't been taken in at all by the site. Strangely, the first (and only) mention of it came from Natasha Donn. It would seem someone is anxious to try to keep one step ahead of OG. IMO.
You have. Nobody offering a reward has any credibility if it's done anonymously, the entire thing is so fake.
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You have. Nobody offering a reward has any credibility if it's done anonymously, the entire thing is so fake.
Whoever created the site must have had a valid reason for doing so....also using Ben Needham & Corrie McKeague's names as bait...because it's not for financial gain. Can you explain why Natasha Donn would have been made aware of it before all we avid followers of the case?
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You have. Nobody offering a reward has any credibility if it's done anonymously, the entire thing is so fake.
Anonymously. Gosh, I hadn't thought about that. But then I worry about me sometimes.
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There are a multitude of agencies dealing with Madeleine's case & they have access to data & areas inaccessible to the parents. To date there is no proof she is dead - quite the opposite imo.
Are you aware there is also a reward currently being offered for information which will not be shared with the police?
http://www.anonymousreward.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/
"How to Claim in the Madeleine McCann case
How to claim your prize Anonymous Prize
1. Call PLYMOUTH (UK) 0044 1752 638 416
Call Plymouth (UK) 0044 1752 638416
2. Leave your information in Portuguese or English on our automatic recording service. You will not need to speak to us. Take care to RECORD your information very clearly.
Leave your information in our automatic recording services. You will not need to talk to us. Be sure to record the information clearly.
3. At the end of your information, create YOUR OWN PASSWORD. This can be whatever you wish. DO NOT disclose your password to anyone.
At the end of the information, create your own password. Choose any word and do not reveal it to anyone .
4. Call the number again in exactly 14 days. You will be asked for five digits from your password. If your information has proved to be credible, you will be informed where to collect your cash reward from. This will be in Portugal.
Call the number again in exactly 14 days. You will be asked for 5 digits of your password . If the information is correct you will be informed where you can raise your money in the UK.
Thank you. Your help with this case is very much appreciated.
Thank you"
Someone needs to call that number and see who is at the other end.
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That's a fake site @)(++(* I wouldn't hold my breath if claiming any reward from them in the Maddie case, I'm surprised you've been taken in.
You leave your information and call back in two weeks to claim your reward...how pathetic. Is this not FRAUD?
I notice there is no amount offered. They could just give a Pound for your trouble.
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I notice there is no amount offered. They could just give a Pound for your trouble.
There is a €600,000 reward beside Madeleine's appeal. which is stated to be collected in Portugal.
A recorded message in English, spoken by a female, followed by a female Portuguese-speaker is what greets you on dialling the number. Research suggests the number is a Virtual number i.e can be bought by anyone & used to forward calls to another number.
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There is a €600,000 reward beside Madeleine's appeal. which is stated to be collected in Portugal.
A recorded message in English, spoken by a female, followed by a female Portuguese-speaker is what greets you on dialling the number. Research suggests the number is a Virtual number i.e can be bought by anyone & used to forward calls to another number.
Well done, You. Doing that would have scared me witless.
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Well done, You. Doing that would have scared me witless.
There is a lot of background interference on the recordings but the English female voice sounds uncannily like a certain blonde journalist....
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Need to do better than that. There are loads of blonde journalists.
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Need to do better than that. There are loads of blonde journalists.
LOL. I'm sure you know exactly who I mean without any further clues.
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Be very wary of Libel.
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LOL. I'm sure you know exactly who I mean without any further clues.
'Fraid not - and I'm not trying to entrap you, I genuinely have no idea who you refer to
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'Fraid not - and I'm not trying to entrap you, I genuinely have no idea who you refer to
I know who misty means but I can't see that she is right unless this person lives in Plymouth.
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There is a €600,000 reward beside Madeleine's appeal. which is stated to be collected in Portugal.
A recorded message in English, spoken by a female, followed by a female Portuguese-speaker is what greets you on dialling the number. Research suggests the number is a Virtual number i.e can be bought by anyone & used to forward calls to another number.
So it is quite a substantial reward. OK if a person provided information, obviously the reward is not paid out till the case is solved. These sorts of phone lines where you can leave information scare me.
If some real clue was sent in and the person is hoping for a reward, that person isn't going to tell anyone else . Then it becomes dependent on the person receiving the information to act on it.
What happens if they don't? The best they could do would be to pass it on to SY but they don't let you know if it is helpful either.
I can't see how that would work.
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I know who misty means but I can't see that she is right unless this person lives in Plymouth.
The person doesn't have to live in Plymouth to buy the number, Sunny.
https://www.smart-numbers.net/01752-numbers
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Sonia Poulton has a distinctive voice.
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Is she blonde? I had no idea
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Absolutely Faith, she would have changed significantly over the last few years if still alive.
Persistently showing showing photos, in the press and on line, of a three to four year old whilst looking for that person who is now a 15 year old, would appear to be counterproductive.
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Persistently showing showing photos, in the press and on line, of a three to four year old whilst looking for that person who is now a 15 year old, would appear to be counterproductive.
They are just memory joggers for most.
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They are just memory joggers for most.
How does that work then?
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How does that work then?
Memory jogger - jog your memory. to cause you to remember something: Seeing her again jogged my memory, and I recalled my life as a child on a farm in Minnesota. (Definition of “jog your memory” from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jog-your-memory
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Parents of any missing child would only do that if they knew the child was dead imo. The innocent parents of any missing child would go to the ends of the earth to find that child but apparently not this family. I wonder WHY?
Why are they so scared to return to Praia da Luz?
Perhaps you could give some examples of parents who have travelled to the ends of the earth for their children more than 11 years after their disappearance, then we can forward this info to the McCanns and advise them to be a bit more like them.
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Perhaps you could give some examples of parents who have travelled to the ends of the earth for their children more than 11 years after their disappearance, then we can forward this info to the McCanns and advise them to be a bit more like them.
In one of the YouTube videos of a case in the USA the mother went door to door I think it was 20 years later and the detectives took another look at the case. I can't recall which one it was now.
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Perhaps you could give some examples of parents who have travelled to the ends of the earth for their children more than 11 years after their disappearance, then we can forward this info to the McCanns and advise them to be a bit more like them.
Winnie Johnson, Keith Bennett’s mother, and her family went searching on Saddleworth Moor decades after Keith went missing.
It not simply that they’re not physically searching. Their website hasn’t been updated in an age, the only movement on their Facebook page is the occasional posting of mawkish screenshots and the age progression photograph we were told Kate was keen on two years ago doesn’t seem to have materialised.
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Winnie Johnson, Keith Bennett’s mother, and her family went searching on Saddleworth Moor decades after Keith went missing.
It not simply that they’re not physically searching. Their website hasn’t been updated in an age, the only movement on their Facebook page is the occasional posting of mawkish screenshots and the age progression photograph we were told Kate was keen on two years ago doesn’t seem to have materialised.
Winnie Johnson KNEW her son was buried on Saddleworth Moor, which presumably was also pretty much on her doorstep, unless she had move hundreds of miles away by then. What form did her searching take exactly, and was it not very much with the police’s cooperation?
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Winnie Johnson KNEW her son was buried on Saddleworth Moor, which presumably was also pretty much on her doorstep, unless she had move hundreds of miles away by then. What form did her searching take exactly, and was it not very much with the police’s cooperation?
Any searching, no matter what form, is better than none.
What exactly has the McCanns done in the last 5 years to keep their daughter’’s image out there ? They can’t even be bothered to update their own website.
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Any searching, no matter what form, is better than none.
What exactly has the McCanns done in the last 5 years to keep their daughter’’s image out there ? They can’t even be bothered to update their own website.
Every time they give an interview or “feed a story to the media”, Madeleine’s name and picture appears big and bold in the ensuing coverage, hadn’t you noticed? But perhaps that is beside the point. Perhaps the McCanns have finally come to terms with their loss and their only hope now is for some answers and some justice, which may explain why they have not updated the age progression picture.
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Every time they give an interview or “feed a story to the media”, Madeleine’s name and picture appears big and bold in the ensuing coverage, hadn’t you noticed? But perhaps that is beside the point. Perhaps the McCanns have finally come to terms with their loss and their only hope now is for some answers and some justice, which may explain why they have not updated the age progression picture.
Why don't they give interviews in Portugal. That is where Madeleine went missing.
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Memory jogger - jog your memory. to cause you to remember something: Seeing her again jogged my memory, and I recalled my life as a child on a farm in Minnesota. (Definition of “jog your memory” from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jog-your-memory
That much I understand.
How does an eleven year old photo of a four old jog my memory of a 15 year old in the here and now which is what I would be looking for? Or stand it on it's head if you will, if I want you to find a 15 year old girl today what friggin' use is it for me to give you a photo of her as a four year old.
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Every time they give an interview or “feed a story to the media”, Madeleine’s name and picture appears big and bold in the ensuing coverage, hadn’t you noticed? But perhaps that is beside the point. Perhaps the McCanns have finally come to terms with their loss and their only hope now is for some answers and some justice, which may explain why they have not updated the age progression picture.
So you believe they are relying on ‘fed’ articles to keep their daughter’s plight out there ? Is that it ? They can’t even be bothered to stuff, what must be now, the few requests for wristbands etc into envelopes.
In every article we are told the parents think their daughter is still alive. It doesn’t appear so if their actions are anything to go by.
The age progression subject was raised by the McCanns themselves 18 months ago. Why the change then ?
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Why don't they give interviews in Portugal. That is where Madeleine went missing.
Do they turn down imterviews on Portugal, or what?
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Do they turn down imterviews on Portugal, or what?
Do they offer to do interviews? They certainly don't appear to do any unless it is on the court steps in Lisbon IMO.
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Do they offer to do interviews? They certainly don't appear to do any unless it is on the court steps in Lisbon IMO.
Do you suggest they do these interviews in English? And to whom?
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So you believe they are relying on ‘fed’ articles to keep their daughter’s plight out there ? Is that it ? They can’t even be bothered to stuff, what must be now, the few requests for wristbands etc into envelopes.
In every article we are told the parents think their daughter is still alive. It doesn’t appear so if their actions are anything to go by.
The age progression subject was raised by the McCanns themselves 18 months ago. Why the change then ?
No, YOU believe they feed articles to the press, only YOU believe it is for more simister reasons. Do you seriously believe there are still people wishing to order Madeleine McCann wristbands who feel aggrieved and let down that they are unable to do so?
18 months is enough time in which to come to terms with the idea that Madeleine may no ever be coming back to them. Perhaps the police have briefed them in the last 18 months to expect the worst? But then as you seem to have an inside track, perhaps you know better. @)(++(*
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Do they offer to do interviews? They certainly don't appear to do any unless it is on the court steps in Lisbon IMO.
If only they’d put as much effort into publicising their daughter’s continuing disappearance over the last few years as they have chasing Amaral’s money things could have been so different.
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Do they offer to do interviews? They certainly don't appear to do any unless it is on the court steps in Lisbon IMO.
So basically you don’t know whether they have offered to do interviews and been turned down or been asked to do interviews which they have turned down. You know nothing i. other words.
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No, YOU believe they feed articles to the press, only YOU believe it is for more simister reasons. Do you seriously believe there are still people wishing to order Madeleine McCann wristbands who feel aggrieved and let down that they are unable to do so?
18 months is enough time in which to come to terms with the idea that Madeleine may no ever be coming back to them. Perhaps the police have briefed them in the last 18 months to expect the worst? But then as you seem to have an inside track, perhaps you know better. @)(++(*
No inside track, just a chance sighting by a friend.
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If only they’d put as much effort into publicising their daughter’s continuing disappearance over the last few years as they have chasing Amaral’s money things could have been so different.
So you think they could have solved the case where the PJ and SY have so far failed... You must have, a, high opinion of them
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No inside track, just a chance sighting by a friend.
yeah, sure.
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If only they’d put as much effort into publicising their daughter’s continuing disappearance over the last few years as they have chasing Amaral’s money things could have been so different.
Do you think that over the last eleven years they haven’t put in enough effort to publicise the fact that their daughter is missing?
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So you think they could have solved the case where the PJ and SY have so far failed... You must have, a, high opinion of them
As they have said themselves it only takes that one person seeing Madeleine’s image to make a difference. Don’t you agree ?
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Do you think that over the last eleven years they haven’t put in enough effort to publicise the fact that their daughter is missing?
Has their daughter been found then?
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So basically you don’t know whether they have offered to do interviews and been turned down or been asked to do interviews which they have turned down. You know nothing i. other words.
If the McCanns had offered to do interviews the Portuguese media would have accepted IMO.
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Has their daughter been found then?
So the fact that she hasn’t been found means they haven’t made a big enough effort to publicise her disappearance, is that it?
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As they have said themselves it only takes that one person seeing Madeleine’s image to make a difference. Don’t you agree ?
Depends what they said and in what context.. I just can't see how those who criticise them day in day out think they could do a better job than the, PJ andSY put together
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Depends what they said and in what context.. I just can't see how those who criticise them day in day out think they could do a better job than the, PJ andSY put together
But you said the PJ were doing nothing Davel.
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So the fact that she hasn’t been found means they haven’t made a big enough effort to publicise her disappearance, is that it?
You said hadn’t they done enough....the answer is no, until she is found.
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That much I understand.
How does an eleven year old photo of a four old jog my memory of a 15 year old in the here and now which is what I would be looking for? Or stand it on it's head if you will, if I want you to find a 15 year old girl today what friggin' use is it for me to give you a photo of her as a four year old.
Well if I talk to people in NZ about the McCann case it is only the photo of the 4 yo. that jogs their memory. That is all that is expected, it is great if they can still remember the case.
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You said hadn’t they done enough....the answer is no, until she is found.
Berate Claudia Lawrence’s dad too then while you’re at it, obviously he hasn’t done enough either, despite his OBE.
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Berate Claudia Lawrence’s dad too then while you’re at it, obviously he hasn’t done enough either, despite his OBE.
I think Peter Lawrence accepts that the police verdict, that Claudia was murdered, is probably correct.
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I think Peter Lawrence accepts that the police verdict, that Claudia was murdered, is probably correct.
So that makes him the better person does it? At what point did you stop berating Ben Needham’s family for not doing enough to find Ben?
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Well if I talk to people in NZ about the McCann case it is only the photo of the 4 yo. that jogs their memory. That is all that is expected, it is great if they call still remember the case.
It isn't all that is expected.
If one expects others to keep their heads up it might be an idea if they know what they were keeping their heads up for. It sure ain't a cute little 4 year old wiith a bunch of tennis balls. It's a 15 year old. I have never been to NZ but I have been to many other countries in not one of which did I encounter 15 year olds who looked like four year olds.
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It isn't all that is expected.
If one expects others to keep their heads up it might be an idea if they know what they were keeping their heads up for. It sure ain't a cute little 4 year old wiith a bunch of tennis balls. It's a 15 year old. I have never been to NZ but I have been to many other countries in not one of which did I encounter 15 year olds who looked like four year olds.
It will need to be a DNA match now. No one would really be able to tell what Madeleine looks like today.
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So that makes him the better person does it? At what point did you stop berating Ben Needham’s family for not doing enough to find Ben?
It doesn’t make him a better person but it does explain why he is no longer publicising his daughter’s disappearance. The McCanns, on the other hand, constantly tell us they believe their daughter is alive yet appear to have not lifted a finge in the last 5 years to publicise her image.
As to the Needhams they have fought tooth and nail, with no official help, for twenty years to publicise their son’s disappearance so why should I have ever berated them ?
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It doesn’t make him a better person but it does explain why he is no longer publicising his daughter’s disappearance. The McCanns, on the other hand, constantly tell us they believe their daughter is alive yet appear to have not lifted a finge in the last 5 years to publicise her image.
As to the Needhams they have fought tooth and nail, with no official help, for twenty years to publicise their son’s disappearance so why should I have ever berated them ?
Because their son was never found of course. And because there were long periods during those 20 years when they were not “fighting tooth and nail” to find him. Now, was there not a flurry of activity around the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance? Were the McCanns silent during this period? Does their alleged “not lifting a finger for five years” not happen to coincide almost identically with the re-opening of the investigation? Isn’t it possible or even likely that the poliice have asked them NOT to get too involved in giving interviews in case they divulge information about Op Grange which the police would prefer not to reveal at this stage? And in anycase the last age progression picture showing Madeleine at 10 would not need updating yet. My daughter would easily be recogniseable at 15 from a publicised photo showing her at 10.
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I am none too sure that Age Progression Pictures are of much use. I haven't seen one yet that matched the found person.
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Because their son was never found of course. And because there were long periods during those 20 years when they were not “fighting tooth and nail” to find him. Now, was there not a flurry of activity around the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance? Were the McCanns silent during this period? Does their alleged “not lifting a finger for five years” not happen to coincide almost identically with the re-opening of the investigation? Isn’t it possible or even likely that the poliice have asked them NOT to get too involved in giving interviews in case they divulge information about Op Grange which the police would prefer not to reveal at this stage? And in anycase the last age progression picture showing Madeleine at 10 would not need updating yet. My daughter would easily be recogniseable at 15 from a publicised photo showing her at 10.
There are other ways of publicising Madeleine’s disappearance other than interviews however I do find it strange that a) as professional people the McCanns couldn’t be trusted to do an interview without divulging any information on the investigation, in fact I’ve seen the parents in interviews say again and again that they can’t talk about the investigation ( remember Gerry’s Spanish strop ) so SY asking them not to do interviews for that reason seems ridiculous to me and b) until this year they have done several interviews without interference from SY so why would SY get involved now?
As to you thinking that the age progression photograph doesn’t need updating, Kate seems to think otherwise.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-mccann-wants-new-artists-7848651
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There are other ways of publicising Madeleine’s disappearance other than interviews however I do find it strange that a) as professional people the McCanns couldn’t be trusted to do an interview without divulging any information on the investigation, in fact I’ve seen the parents in interviews say again and again that they can’t talk about the investigation ( remember Gerry’s Spanish strop ) so SY asking them not to do interviews for that reason seems ridiculous to me and b) until this year they have done several interviews without interference from SY so why would SY get involved now?
As to you thinking that the age progression photograph doesn’t need updating, Kate seems to think otherwise.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kate-mccann-wants-new-artists-7848651
I can't open that Link. But I thought that The Mirror was rubbish anyway.
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I can't open that Link. But I thought that The Mirror was rubbish anyway.
It works Eleanor, not sure why you can’t open it.
As to the Mirror I agree but when in Rome....!
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It works Eleanor, not sure why you can’t open it.
As to the Mirror I agree but when in Rome....!
Thanks for the reply.
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It will need to be a DNA match now. No one would really be able to tell what Madeleine looks like today.
Presactly ! But she certainly would not look like a four year old.
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I am none too sure that Age Progression Pictures are of much use. I haven't seen one yet that matched the found person.
Here are a few that did
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf..k/comments/4lql76/ever_wondered_how_reliable_those_age_progression/
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I have started this thread for the benefit of the McCanns and their supporters who appear to have lost any notion of searching for Maddie. When I say search for Maddie I really mean do all and everything to recover the child or her remains.
We have to be realistic in such a search but a search it must be. A search for information from someone in the know which would see this mystery brought to an end. In order to achieve this there are many things that could be undertaken but it has to be done from Luz on the Algarve. Luz has to be the nerve centre, right there among the people who count because somewhere among that population is someone who has some if not all of the answers.
I have my own thoughts on what to do but let's hear what your ideas are?
From a thread perhaps 2 months ago, when posters were being civil and jolly to each other, I got the impression that the geographical epicentre of the board is Glasgow. There is an obvious reason in 'madeleine' to choose Hampden Park as a physical meeting venue.
For virtual meetings, it merely requires agreement on software and meeting times.
As to Luz, the recent decision to extend OG impacts on that which can and cannot be done here.
However, SENSIBLE questions are welcome.
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Perhaps you could give some examples of parents who have travelled to the ends of the earth for their children more than 11 years after their disappearance, then we can forward this info to the McCanns and advise them to be a bit more like them.
It's the normal thing to do but this case is not normal in so many ways. The McCanns behaviour has been abnormal imo and that is why so many people don't accept their version of events.
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It's the normal thing to do but this case is not normal in so many ways. The McCanns behaviour has been abnormal imo and that is why so many people don't accept their version of events.
I would, say the main reason some don't accept the McCann's version of events is because they misunderstand the evidence... Amaral being a prime example
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I would, say the main reason some don't accept the McCann's version of events is because they misunderstand the evidence... Amaral being a prime example
To some extent I agree but there are just too many questions hanging over this case to rule out parental involvement completely imo.
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Any searching, no matter what form, is better than none.
What exactly has the McCanns done in the last 5 years to keep their daughter’’s image out there ? They can’t even be bothered to update their own website.
It's an extremely poor effort. They put more effort into suing people and bringing legal challenges to anyone who questions their version of events. It's all very odd imo.
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To some extent I agree but there are just too many questions hanging over this case to rule out parental involvement completely imo.
Can never say 100% but I think the odds of parenatal involvement are as close to zero as possible
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Every time they give an interview or “feed a story to the media”, Madeleine’s name and picture appears big and bold in the ensuing coverage, hadn’t you noticed? But perhaps that is beside the point. Perhaps the McCanns have finally come to terms with their loss and their only hope now is for some answers and some justice, which may explain why they have not updated the age progression picture.
I think they need to take a page out of the Needham's book. They had very little money yet they have carried on searching in Kos and elsewhere for answers.
To get back to the thread theme for a moment, there are many things the family of a missing child can do to continue the search but it has to be centered in the area from which they went missing. Any search for Maddie must therefore be based in Praia da Luz by default and not London or Lisbon.
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Can never say 100% but I think the idds of parenatal involvement are as close to zero as possible
I agree.
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I think they need to take a page out of the Needham's book. They had very little money yet they have carried on searching in Kos and elsewhere for answers.
Have you ever criticized the behaviour of Ben's grandparents in allowing a toddler to be outside the home without constant supervision and therefore in some part responsible for his disappearance ?
Do you feel they were neglectful?
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I think they need to take a page out of the Needham's book. They had very little money yet they have carried on searching in Kos and elsewhere for answers.
To get back to the thread theme for a moment, there are many things the family of a missing child can do to continue the search but it has to be centered in the area from which they went missing. Any search for Maddie must therefore be based in Praia da Luz by default and not London or Lisbon.
Surely this is a job for the police
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I think they need to take a page out of the Needham's book. They had very little money yet they have carried on searching in Kos and elsewhere for answers.
To get back to the thread theme for a moment, there are many things the family of a missing child can do to continue the search but it has to be centered in the area from which they went missing. Any search for Maddie must therefore be based in Praia da Luz by default and not London or Lisbon.
Where would they search?
Would they be allowed to enter locked premises?
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Have you ever criticized the behaviour of Ben's grandparents in allowing a toddler to be outside the home without constant supervision and therefore in some part responsible for his disappearance ?
Do you feel they were neglectful?
They were yes.
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Where would they search?
Would they be allowed to enter locked premises?
Search as in seek out information. Physical searching can be done if and when information is received.
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They were yes.
Yet they have not been bombarded with the same criticism and name calling as Madeleine's parents.
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Search as in seek out information. Physical searching can be done if and when information is received.
Do you mean put up missing posters, give out leaflets to visitors and locals etc?
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Do you mean put up missing posters, give out leaflets to visitors and locals etc?
Have they done that recently? When they were in Lisbon for the libel trial perhaps?
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It works Eleanor, not sure why you can’t open it.
As to the Mirror I agree but when in Rome....!
What does that mean? I thought we were not to trust articles with unnamed sources and no direct quotes? You don’t half pick and choose!
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It's the normal thing to do but this case is not normal in so many ways. The McCanns behaviour has been abnormal imo and that is why so many people don't accept their version of events.
If it’s normal then you will have numerous examples. Kindly cite them.
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I think they need to take a page out of the Needham's book. They had very little money yet they have carried on searching in Kos and elsewhere for answers.
To get back to the thread theme for a moment, there are many things the family of a missing child can do to continue the search but it has to be centered in the area from which they went missing. Any search for Maddie must therefore be based in Praia da Luz by default and not London or Lisbon.
Didn’t the Needhams return to Britain within a few weeks of Ben’s disappearance? Why didn’t they stay living out thee, as they had been prior to his disappearance?
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Didn’t the Needhams return to Britain within a few weeks of Ben’s disappearance? Why didn’t they stay living out thee, as they had been prior to his disappearance?
Kerry Needham worked. I would assume after Ben went missing she didn’t. Not every parent of a missing child has a fund to pay their mortgage.
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Presactly ! But she certainly would not look like a four year old.
But they are the only photos they've got.
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Have they done that recently? When they were in Lisbon for the libel trial perhaps?
Perhaps they believed the posters would be defaced.
Do you really believe that there is not one single person in Portugal who is not aware that Madeleine McCann is missing?
Really?
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Kerry Needham worked. I would assume after Ben went missing she didn’t. Not every parent of a missing child has a fund to pay their mortgage.
Your post is IMO a complete non sequitur in response to mine. Wasn’t Kerry staying with her parents and weren’t they all living in Greece until they decided to all up sticks and leave within a few weeks of Ben’s disappearance? I may be mistaken but this is what I recall reading...
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Perhaps they believed the posters would be defaced.
Do you really believe that there is not one single person in Portugal who is not aware that Madeleine McCann is missing?
Really?
Nothing wrong with reminding people and what about leaflets?
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Your post is IMO a complete non sequitur in response to mine. Wasn’t Kerry staying with her parents and weren’t they all living in Greece until they decided to all up sticks and leave within a few weeks of Ben’s disappearance? I may be mistaken but this is what I recall reading...
Could the McCanns have stayed in Portugal without the fund ?
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Nothing wrong with reminding people and what about leaflets?
If you really believe that anyone , anywhere needs reminding that the most publicized missing child ever in the world needs to have further publizing, then what do think the parents should do?
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Could the McCanns have stayed in Portugal without the fund ?
If they had relatives living there, yes of course they could.
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Could the McCanns have stayed in Portugal without the fund ?
Someone has to pay the mortgage.
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If they had relatives living there, yes of course they could.
And how would they pay their way without any income ?
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And how would they pay their way without any income ?
Kerry didn't have any other children to consider and to plan for their future at that point of her life.
Gerry and Kate did.
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Kerry didn't have any other children to consider and to plan for their future at that point of her life.
Gerry and Kate did.
And ?
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If you really believe that anyone , anywhere needs reminding that the most publicized missing child ever in the world needs to have further publizing, then what do think the parents should do?
Bump?
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And ?
I'm unsure of what you mean.
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Bump?
A new age progression photograph.
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And how would they pay their way without any income ?
Look, I think we are at cross purposes here. Did Kerry have a mortgage? What was preventing her and her family staying in Greece for at least as long as the McCanns did, or as Angelo would have it, until Ben was found?
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A new age progression photograph.
The last one didn't bring any progress in the investigation.
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Look, I think we are at cross purposes here. Did Kerry have a mortgage? What was preventing her and her family staying in Greece for at least as long as the McCanns did, or as Angelo would have it, until Ben was found?
Money, or more appropriately, the lack of it. Kerry was working, her parents doing up a rundown property, the one Ben disappeared from. Would you expect Kerry to work after her son went missing or indeed for the family to remain living at the same property ?
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The last one didn't bring any progress in the investigation.
That we know of.
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Money, or more appropriately, the lack of it. Kerry was working, her parents doing up a rundown property, the one Ben disappeared from. Would you expect Kerry to work after her son went missing or indeed for the family to remain living at the same property ?
I wouldn’t expect her or her family do to anything they didn’t feel comfortable with or appropriate to do, same as the McCanns. It’s a shame not all people are so even handed in their expectations or opinions of parents of missing children generally, IMO. I don’t believe it is appropriate to tell these people what they should and shouldn’t be doing, why do you think it is?.
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That we know of.
Very true.
I do hope it has.
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That we know of.
Strange comment, coming from you, seeing as you firmly believe Madeleine died at aged nearly 4.
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I wouldn’t expect her or her family do to anything they didn’t feel comfortable with or appropriate to do, same as the McCanns. It’s a shame not all people are so even handed in their expectations or opinions of parents of missing children generally, IMO. I don’t believe it is appropriate to tell these people what they should and shouldn’t be doing, why do you think it is?.
It was you who commented on the Needhams. The Needhams didn’t have the financial wherewithal to stay in Greece. The McCanns had the financial support to stay in PDL. Not a judgement, just a fact.
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It was you who commented on the Needhams. The Needhams didn’t have the financial wherewithal to stay in Greece. The McCanns had the financial support to stay in PDL. Not a judgement, just a fact.
How long do you believe they should have stayed, considering they had other children to consider?
One year?
Two years?
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How long do you believe they should have stayed, considering they had other children to consider?
One year?
Two years?
The discussion was about searching. It was VS who brought up the Needhams epartre from Kos.
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The discussion was about searching. It was VS who brought up the Needhams epartre from Kos.
So no answer to my question.?
The search for Ben will never be critized by me.
They did their utmost to find him.
Just as Madeleine's parents have done.
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So no answer to my question.?
The search for Ben will never be critized by me.
They did their utmost to find him.
Just as Madeleine's parents have done.
It’s not that I don’t want to answer merely that I didn’t chastise the McCanns for leaving Portugal. I merely wondered why they have done precious little publicising of their daughter’s image in the last five years.
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It’s not that I don’t want to answer merely that I didn’t chastise the McCanns for leaving Portugal. I merely wondered why they have done precious little publicising of their daughter’s image in the last five years.
And the investigation of their daughter's disappearance has been the under the scutiny of NSY.
So why haven't they deemed it important to do so ?
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It was you who commented on the Needhams. The Needhams didn’t have the financial wherewithal to stay in Greece. The McCanns had the financial support to stay in PDL. Not a judgement, just a fact.
What financial support was that?
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It’s not that I don’t want to answer merely that I didn’t chastise the McCanns for leaving Portugal. I merely wondered why they have done precious little publicising of their daughter’s image in the last five years.
When the McCanns were busting a gut to publicise their daughter’s image did you praise them for doing so?
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And the investigation of their daughter's disappearance has been the under the scutiny of NSY.
So why haven't they deemed it important to do so ?
Because they believe she’s dead ?
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What financial support was that?
The fund.
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When the McCanns were busting a gut to publicise their daughter’s image did you praise them for doing so?
If they had, I would. The media pushed her story and her image. The McCanns did the odd interview.
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Because they believe she’s dead ?
Do they?
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If they had, I would. The media pushed her story and her image. The McCanns did the odd interview.
So in your opinion the McCanns have done very little to publicise their daughter’s disappearance. Ooookay then. *%87
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The fund.
So do you think the McCanns should have used the Fund to stay on in Portugal indefinitely, to pay their mortgage back home, pay their rent on a place in Portugal and all their other lving expenses?
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So in your opinion the McCanns have done very little to publicise their daughter’s disappearance. Ooookay then. *%87
*%87
*%87
Indeed
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Because they believe she’s dead ?
Do they?
You asked for a reason why SY may not be publicising Madeleine’s image. I gave you one.
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So do you think the McCanns should have used the Fund to stay on in Portugal indefinitely, to pay their mortgage back home, pay their rent on a place in Portugal and all their other lving expenses?
No.
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*%87
*%87
Indeed
On the one hand the McCanns are ripped to shreds for contacting the media as soon as their child goes missing, for using their daughter’s eye as a “marketing ploy”, for upsetting the residents of PdL with huge billboards of the missing child, but on the other they are criticised for doing nothing but the “odd interview”. You could not make it up... @)(++(*
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No.
But you lament the fact that the Needhams weren’t able to do this because they didn’t have the fund. Make your mind up fgs.
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Because they believe she’s dead ?
you argued yesterday that they said they didn’t believe she was dead.
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On the one hand the McCanns are ripped to shreds for contacting the media as soon as their child goes missing, for using their daughter’s eye as a “marketing ploy”, for upsetting the residents of PdL with huge billboards of the missing child, but on the other they are criticised for doing nothing but the “odd interview”. You could not make it up... @)(++(*
The McCanns had the last photo in their camera on the very first night Madeleine went missing. The most recent photo and therefore the best likeness. Why did it take 3 weeks for them to publicise the most recent photograph ?
As to the ‘marketing ploy’ Gerry in particular is rightly criticised after admitting to the fact that the alleged abductor could harm his daughter in some way because her eye was so heavily publicised was secondary to using it to ‘market’ her.
As to the billboards, how many of them were there , in which cities ? With hundreds of thousands of pounds in the fund surely they could have afforded to have billboards at least in all the major cities in Europe.
How many leaflets did they have printed and did they hand out in PDL and surrounding areas ? I know of only one town and that appeared to be for Jon Corner’s camera.
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On the one hand the McCanns are ripped to shreds for contacting the media as soon as their child goes missing, for using their daughter’s eye as a “marketing ploy”, for upsetting the residents of PdL with huge billboards of the missing child, but on the other they are criticised for doing nothing but the “odd interview”. You could not make it up... @)(++(*
That is precisely the weakness of the sceptic argument.
Nothing, no nothing the parents of Madeleine have ever done or said is without fault!.
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The McCanns had the last photo in their camera on the very first night Madeleine went missing. The most recent photo and therefore the best likeness. Why did it take 3 weeks for them to publicise the most recent photograph ? As to the ‘marketing ploy’ Gerry in particular is rightly criticised after admitting that the fact that the alleged abductor could harm his daughter in some way because her eye was so heavily publicised was secondary to using it to ‘market’ her.
As to the billboards, how many of them were there , in which cities ? With hundreds of thousands of pounds in the fund surely they could have afforded to have billboards at least in all the major cities in Europe.
How many leaflets did they have printed and did they hand out n PDL and surrounding area. I know of only one town and that appeared to be for Jon Corner’s camera.
How much does it cost to rent one single billboard for a week in a high profile part of a major European city? Have you any idea?
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How much does it cost to rent one single billboard for a week in a high profile part of a major European city? Have you any idea?
Do you ?
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How much does it cost to rent one single billboard for a week in a high profile part of a major European city? Have you any idea?
And in every European capital?
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Do you ?
Yes. Around £250 a week. So lets talk about costs for every major European city, how many of those are there? How many weeks do you think the posters should be up for and how many billboards per city?
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Yes. Around £250 a week. So lets talk about costs for every major European city, how many of those are there? How many weeks do you think the posters should be up for and how many billboards per city?
Do you have a cite ?
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And in every European capital?
That would be a start.
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That would be a start.
And you do really believe that Madeleine is not the most recognised missing child in the world?
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And you do really believe that Madeleine is not the most recognised missing child in the world?
She is now but almost all of that publicity has been media driven.
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She is now but almost all of that publicity has been media driven.
Why?
You don't believe her parents and family have driven that publicity?
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Why?
You’d have to ask the newspaper editors that.
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Do you have a cite ?
yes
https://airoutdoor.co.uk/blog/billboard-costs/
Now, let’s take Glasgow as an example of a European major city that you are familiar with. Where would you cite these billboards? For how long, and how many in total? Or to put it another way, what sort of budget should they have spent on this Europe wide billboard campaign?
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She is now but almost all of that publicity has been media driven.
But I thought the McCanns manipulated the media to their own ends?
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You’d have to ask the newspaper editors that.
You don't believe her parents and family had any part to play in the publicity and search for her?
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yes
https://airoutdoor.co.uk/blog/billboard-costs/
Now, let’s take Glasgow as an example of a European major city that you are familiar with. Where would you cite these billboards? For how long, and how many in total? Or to put it another way, what sort of budget should they have spent on this Europe wide billboard campaign?
They had hundreds of thousands of pounds in the bank and they put one billboard just outside PDL, ironically the one town in the whole of the world who really did not need reminding of what Madeleine looked like.
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But I thought the McCanns manipulated the media to their own ends?
They did, and do. Most often those ends did not have anything to do with finding their daughter.
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You don't believe her parents and family had any part to play in the publicity and search for her?
They had a part to play.
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They had a part to play.
And that was?
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They did, and do. Most often those ends did not have anything to do with finding their daughter.
You really do believe they didn't want to find her?
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They had hundreds of thousands of pounds in the bank and they put one billboard just outside PDL, ironically the one town in the whole of the world who really did not need reminding of what Madeleine looked like.
But that was where she disappeared.
Now some posters here believe that they should go back to PDL and begin the search there.
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But that was where she disappeared.
Now some posters here believe that they should go back to PDL and begin the search there.
That was where she disappeared but everyone knew what she looked like there and who to contact with information. I thought the whole publicity drive was about getting their daughter’s image out there to a wider audience ?
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They had hundreds of thousands of pounds in the bank and they put one billboard just outside PDL, ironically the one town in the whole of the world who really did not need reminding of what Madeleine looked like.
So answer my question then. We’re looking for sensible ideas regarding what the McCanns should do or have done. You’ve suggested a cross-Europe billbozrd cMpaign and I’m asking what sort of budget should be allocated for such a campaign.
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They did, and do. Most often those ends did not have anything to do with finding their daughter.
Is that a fact or is it your opinion?
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That was where she disappeared but everyone knew what she looked like there and who to contact with information. I thought the whole publicity drive was about getting their daughter’s image out there to a wider audience ?
Of all the children who have ever gone missing whose face would you say was the most well known, world wide?
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So answer my question then. We’re looking for sensible ideas regarding what the McCanns should do or have done. You’ve suggested a cross-Europe billbozrd cMpaign and I’m asking what sort of budget should be allocated for such a campaign.
If it was my child everything that was in the fund at that time.
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Is that a fact or is it your opinion?
My opinion.
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Of all the children who have ever gone missing whose face would you say was the most well known, world wide?
Much of that is directly related to the media’s fascination with this case and that isn’t parent driven.
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Much of that is directly related to the media’s fascination with this case and that isn’t parent driven.
Nor has any of this media attention resulted in her re-appearance.
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But that was where she disappeared.
Now some posters here believe that they should go back to PDL and begin the search there.
It is the ineffectual effort of the parents that remind the people that know to own up, and for the police in Portugal to make a serious attempt to solve the case.
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If it was my child everything that was in the fund at that time.
Right so you’d have spent a million pounds on a billboard campaign lasting a few weeks. Thanks for sharing.
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Do you mean put up missing posters, give out leaflets to visitors and locals etc?
That and more, whatever it takes to get someone to come forward.
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It was you who commented on the Needhams. The Needhams didn’t have the financial wherewithal to stay in Greece. The McCanns had the financial support to stay in PDL. Not a judgement, just a fact.
And what's more, Kate McCann publicly stated that they would not return to the UK without her but that soon turned to dust the minute the police became interested in them. It then became a matter of protecting their own skins regardless of any promises to Maddie and this still continues today with the application to the ECHR.
None of this has anything remotely to do with finding their missing daughter but everything to do with saving faces...their faces!
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How long do you believe they should have stayed, considering they had other children to consider?
One year?
Two years?
The parents could take it in turns to keep the momentum up in Portugal but the sad fact is they couldn't be bothered. It's as if they know the child is dead and will never be found.
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Right so you’d have spent a million pounds on a billboard campaign lasting a few weeks. Thanks for sharing.
Efficient use of resources? Not in my opinion.
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But that was where she disappeared.
Now some posters here believe that they should go back to PDL and begin the search there.
That's where she was last seen and most likely to be buried there somewhere. People have to realise that this worldwide search is a smokescreen, Redwood and many others knew this thus the digs around Luz. If anyone knows where she is they have to be in the Luz area so it's in that area that every effort should be concentrated. Nobody is going to come forward anonymously unless they are guaranteed total anonymity, any campaign must make that crystal.clear. The top priority is to find the child, dead or alive, everything else is of little consequence.
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Of all the children who have ever gone missing whose face would you say was the most well known, world wide?
So everyone is looking for a nearly four-year-old who no longer exists?
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If it was my child everything that was in the fund at that time.
I take it you realise the McCanns need the Maddie Fund to pay their legal expenses and damages which have accrued in the Amaral case otherwise they will end up bankrupt.
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So everyone is looking for a nearly four-year-old who no longer exists?
Are they?
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That and more, whatever it takes to get someone to come forward.
And you believe that the people Of PDL would welcome posters and leaflets about Madeleing being once more given out and displayed in their resort?
Really?
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I take it you realise the McCanns need the Maddie Fund to pay their legal expenses and damages which have accrued in the Amaral case otherwise they will end up bankrupt.
There aren't any damages
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Might be more effective putting up the posters in these surrounding lawless villages that Edgar is so fond of.
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Right so you’d have spent a million pounds on a billboard campaign lasting a few weeks. Thanks for sharing.
What’s the point of keeping it in the fund if by spending it you might shorten the odds of her being found. Isn’t that what the money was raised for ?
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Efficient use of resources? Not in my opinion.
Why wouldn’t publicising Madeleine’s image on billboards all over Europe be an efficient use of resources ? Aren’t most missing children found by a member of the public ?
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What’s the point of keeping it in the fund if by spending it you might shorten the odds of her being found. Isn’t that what the money was raised for ?
The McCanns chose to spend a large chunk of the fund on private investigations didn’t they?
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The McCanns chose to spend a large chunk of the fund on private investigations didn’t they?
And how did that work out ?
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And how did that work out ?
How would a £1m poster campaign have worked out?
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How would a £1m poster campaign have worked out?
We will never know as the parents unwisely spent the money on criminals and fraudsters.
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How would a £1m poster campaign have worked out?
Who knows. The parents decided to spend the money on PIs who turned out to be criminals and fraudsters.
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Who knows. The parents decided to spend the money on PIs who turned out to be criminals and fraudsters.
How can that be? There are many people who take their word as gospel even if it cost the Sunday Times an apology and quite a lot of money.
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How can that be? There are many people who take their word as gospel even if it cost the Sunday Times an apology and quite a lot of money.
Sorry I don’t understand. Were you replying to a different question? Didn’t the McCanns employ PIs they later found out were criminals ?
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Who knows. The parents decided to spend the money on PIs who turned out to be criminals and fraudsters.
That’s a bit better. Shame on the McCanns for not knowing in advance which costly course of action would result in the discovery of their daughter, eh?
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Sorry I don’t understand. Were you replying to a different question? Didn’t the McCanns employ PIs they later found out were criminals ?
Sorry you don't understand my post. Perhaps you are not as au fait with events as you thought you were ... maybe Google can assist?
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That’s a bit better. Shame on the McCanns for not knowing in advance which costly course of action would result in the discovery of their daughter, eh?
When were the PIs employed ? When do you think the best time would have been to publicise Madeleine’s image on billboards ?
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Sorry you don't understand my post. Perhaps you are not as au fait with events as you thought you were ... maybe Google can assist?
I will ask again Didn’t the McCanns employ PIs they later found out were criminals ? Perhaps you’d have the decency to answer my question.
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I will ask again Didn’t the McCanns employ PIs they later found out were criminals ? Perhaps you’d have the decency to answer my question.
Just one of them wasn't it?
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When were the PIs employed ? When do you think the best time would have been to publicise Madeleine’s image on billboards ?
When the case was no longer headline news on a daily basis and the child’s face had started to fade from public memory? Can I ask though - aren’t you one of those people who claimed that publicising Madeleine’s features would have sealed her fate and led to her being disfigured or killed by an (alleged) abductor?
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When the case was no longer headline news on a daily basis and the child’s face had started to fade from public memory? Can I ask though - aren’t you one of those people who claimed that publicising Madeleine’s features would have sealed her fate and led to her being disfigured or killed by an (alleged) abductor?
No Gerry claimed that.
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No Gerry claimed that.
So you think highlighting her distinguishing features was absolutely the right thing to do then. Fair enough.
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So you think highlighting her distinguishing features was absolutely the right thing to do then. Fair enough.
Is that what I said ? You really must stop putting words into my mouth VS.
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Open up the discussion please.
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Is that what I said ? You really must stop putting words into my mouth VS.
It makes life easier.
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Is that what I said ? You really must stop putting words into my mouth VS.
Well is it or isn’t it? You are the one wanting massive billboards of Madeleine’s face in every European city, which would seem to strongly suggest you do approve of drawing attention to Madeleine’s distinguishing features, or what else had you in mind? A picture of her blurred out?
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It makes life easier.
How does it do that?
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Well is it or isn’t it? You are the one wanting massive billboards of Madeleine’s face in every European city, which would seem to strongly suggest you do approve of drawing attention to Madeleine’s distinguishing features, or what else had you in mind? A picture of her blurred out?
I don’t ‘want’ billboards anywhere. What I said is that it would be a better use of the money in the fund then placing them on the road into PDL , a town where no one needs to be reminded of Madeleine’s image.
Perhaps you’d be better addressing your questions to Madeleine’s father who knew that by publicising her eye an abductor may injure her but did so anyway.
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I don’t ‘want’ billboards anywhere. What I said is that it would be a better use of the money in the fund then placing them on the road into PDL , a town where no one needs to be reminded of Madeleine’s image.
Perhaps you’d be better addressing your questions to Madeleine’s father who knew that by publicising her eye an abductor may injure her but did so anyway.
The PJ mentioned Madeleine's eye defect before Gerry did.
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I don’t ‘want’ billboards anywhere. What I said is that it would be a better use of the money in the fund then placing them on the road into PDL , a town where no one needs to be reminded of Madeleine’s image.
Perhaps you’d be better addressing your questions to Madeleine’s father who knew that by publicising her eye an abductor may injure her but did so anyway.
Right, so do you now think that highlighting Madeleine’s distinguishing features across Europe on massive billboards is actually a bad idea?
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Good or bad it hasn't had a positive outcome.
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The PJ mentioned Madeleine's eye defect before Gerry did.
But the parents ran with it.
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Right, so do you now think that highlighting Madeleine’s distinguishing features across Europe on massive billboards is actually a bad idea?
I have answered your question. Unfortunately you don’t get two bites of the cherry.
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The weekend beckons once again and with it will come the usual silliness. However, members are warned that referring to other members as naive, immature, hypocritical, stupid etc is a breach of forum etiquette and as such will attract sanctions.
Please keep posts amiable and constructive and above all please avoid goading or demeaning comments. TY.
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I have answered your question. Unfortunately you don’t get two bites of the cherry.
OK, then as I understand it from what you have written you hold two completely contrary positions: 1) you think the parents were remiss in not ploughing the entire proceeds of the fund into a massive billboard campaign across Europe and 2) you think the McCanns were remiss in drawing attention to Madeleine’s distinguishing features as this would have led to her being harmed or killed by her (alleged) abductor.
This has been an interesting discussion as it demonstrates that as far as the sceptic is concerned everything the McCanns do is wrong whether they choose one course of action or its complete opposite..
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We will never know as the parents unwisely spent the money on criminals and fraudsters.
You say that as if the McCann's purposely set out to lose a large amount of money to criminals and fraudsters. Please tell me how the McCann's were supposed to know what sort of people they employed to search for their daughter?
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The McCann's should just wait for the conclusion by OG. To say they should go to Portugal and search is ridiculous, there is a Police investigation going on by both sides, and anything like that would annoy and disrupt the investigation in Portugal.
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The McCann's should just wait for the conclusion by OG. To say they should go to Portugal and search is ridiculous, there is a Police investigation going on by both sides, and anything like that would annoy and disrupt the investigation in Portugal.
Agreed. I don't think there is anything else they can possibly do in the circumstances while Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria are still following their lines of inquiry, any action on their part would be inappropriate and totally unnecessary.
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The McCann's should just wait for the conclusion by OG. To say they should go to Portugal and search is ridiculous, there is a Police investigation going on by both sides, and anything like that would annoy and disrupt the investigation in Portugal.
Yes it's strange... Those posters, suggesting the McCann's investigate are the same ones saying SY are wasting their time
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OK, then as I understand it from what you have written you hold two completely contrary positions: 1) you think the parents were remiss in not ploughing the entire proceeds of the fund into a massive billboard campaign across Europe and 2) you think the McCanns were remiss in drawing attention to Madeleine’s distinguishing features as this would have led to her being harmed or killed by her (alleged) abductor.
This has been an interesting discussion as it demonstrates that as far as the sceptic is concerned everything the McCanns do is wrong whether they choose one course of action or its complete opposite..
Okay let’s be clear. I am not talking about what I think or want or believe but the parents. They drew attention to Madeleine’s eye defect although, as Gerry admitted, this could cause her harm. Therefore they appeared to believe getting Madeleine’s image out there was paramount, no matter what the cost to their daughter. This begs the question why only stick a billboard with her image on it just outside PDL a place, arguably, that didn’t need reminding and not further afield where it may do some good ?
Is that clear now ?
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Okay let’s be clear. I am not talking about what I think or want or believe but the parents. They drew attention to Madeleine’s eye defect although, as Gerry admitted, this could cause her harm. Therefore they appeared to believe getting Madeleine’s image out there was paramount, no matter what the cost to their daughter. This begs the question why only stick a billboard with her image on it just outside PDL a place, arguably, that didn’t need reminding and not further afield where it may do some good ?
Is that clear now ?
This thread is about what the McCanns should do now. You suggested a massive billboard campaign. Was this a serious suggestion on you part or just another opportunity for you to criticise the parents?
Let’s say your step grand child had gone missing eleven years ago and you suddenly found yourself with a £500k lottery win on your hands. How are you going to spend that money to seriously improve the chances of you finding that child?
By the way you say that a poster campaign further afield “may do some good”, this seems to suggest you ARE in favour of highlighting a missing chilld’s distinguishing features.
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This thread is about what the McCanns should do now. You suggested a massive billboard campaign. Was this a serious suggestion on you part or just another opportunity for you to criticise the parents?
Let’s say your step grand child had gone missing eleven years ago and you suddenly found yourself with a £500k lottery win on your hands. How are you going to spend that money to seriously improve the chances of you finding that child?
By the way you say that a poster campaign further afield “may do some good”, this seems to suggest you ARE in favour of highlighting a missing chilld’s distinguishing features.
I’ve answered this now Vs, several times. Please desist.
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Over to others (not including Faithlilly): would a massive poster campaign across Europe featuring Madeleine’s face and distinguishing features, age progressed, be a sensible next step for the McCanns to take? If so, should they go ahead with or without Op Grange and the PJ’s blessing?
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Over to others (not including Faithlilly): would a massive poster campaign across Europe featuring Madeleine’s face and distinguishing features, age progressed, be a sensible next step for the McCanns to take? If so, should they go ahead with or without Op Grange and the PJ’s blessing?
Certainly not ... to the first ~ and certainly not ... to the second.
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Certainly not ... to the first ~ and certainly not ... to the second.
Of course not now but when the photographs were a likeness it would have been worth considering.
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I see that VS’s post has been rectified. Thank you Brietta.
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I see that VS’s post has been rectified. Thank you Brietta.
Rectified?? It’s been deleted in its entirety, which is a shame as it was spot on, imo.
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Over to others (not including Faithlilly): would a massive poster campaign across Europe featuring Madeleine’s face and distinguishing features, age progressed, be a sensible next step for the McCanns to take? If so, should they go ahead with or without Op Grange and the PJ’s blessing?
No I don't think that would be a sensible step for the McCann's to take at all. They should do nothing and wait for the conclusion of OG and the PJ.
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No I don't think that would be a sensible step for the McCann's to take at all. They should do nothing and wait for the conclusion of OG and the PJ.
I have already explained this.
It would be a waste of time now as no one knows what Madeleine may look like but in the beginning when a photographic likeness was available it would certainly have been a course of action to consider. In fact we know that the parents did consider it may be helpful as the billboard just outside PDL shows. So why not further afield?
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I have already explained this.
It would be a waste of time now as no one knows what Madeleine may look like but in the beginning when a photographic likeness was available it would certainly have been a course of action to consider. In fact we know that the parents did consider it may be helpful as the billboard just outside PDL shows. So why not further afield?
do you mean like this?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/may/25/advertising.crime
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or maybe this
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-madeleine-mccann-missing-poster-in-greece-30832137.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=2E752DC0-301F-4A9D-B63D-F08C2D3DD70C&p=230353&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%2520poster%26qt_raw%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%2520poster%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d
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How about this?
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-dartford-kent-uk-06th-apr-2015-madeleine-mccann-lorry-credit-james-189315618.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=06667E9F-8DA8-474D-9411-D173E4027A9F&p=233389&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%26qt_raw%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d0%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d
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maybe this one?
https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/various-jul-2007-821805o
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then of course there was this at Wembley Stadium and other football matches around Europe:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/message-is-displayed-on-the-scoreboard-at-wembley-as-the-news-photo/833051148
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How about this?
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-dartford-kent-uk-06th-apr-2015-madeleine-mccann-lorry-credit-james-189315618.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=06667E9F-8DA8-474D-9411-D173E4027A9F&p=233389&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%26qt_raw%3dmadeleine%2520mccann%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d0%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d
All very useful but were any of them initiated by the parents and paid for by the fund ?
Not to worry, they wouldn’t have helped anyway.
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then of course there was this at Wembley Stadium and other football matches around Europe:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/message-is-displayed-on-the-scoreboard-at-wembley-as-the-news-photo/833051148
Thank you for posting those reminders of the part played by so many who were touched by Madeleine's disappearance.
It's sometimes difficult to believe that so many years have passed.
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All very useful but were any of them initiated by the parents and paid for by the fund ?
Not to worry, they wouldn’t have helped anyway.
This was initiated and paid for by the fund
“A new campaign launched by Kate and Gerry McCann to help find their missing daughter, Madeleine, has ignited fresh controversy in Praia da Luz.For the next three weeks, posters, pamphlets, billboards, bus back advertising, mail shots and mobile A-van announcements will be targeting residents of the Lagos and Vila do Bispo areas”
So the campaign which you have slagged off as being one billboard in PdL was significantly more than that. As this was the area in which Madeleine McCann was last seen it would have been the most logical place to mount it. To mount a similar campaign in every European city would have been some what ill-targeted and cost a fortune. The fact that businesses and organizations arouund Europe were willing and able to do their bit (presumably with the McCanns blessing)meant that the fund could be used to mount a private investigation, which was in itself very costly but meant that for many months professional individuals were actively looking for their daughter. The fact that these turned out to be conmen and /or useless was really not something the McCanns could have foreseen, unless you,believe otherwise...?
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This was initiated and paid for by the fund
“A new campaign launched by Kate and Gerry McCann to help find their missing daughter, Madeleine, has ignited fresh controversy in Praia da Luz.For the next three weeks, posters, pamphlets, billboards, bus back advertising, mail shots and mobile A-van announcements will be targeting residents of the Lagos and Vila do Bispo areas”
So the campaign which you have slagged off as being one billboard in PdL was significantly more than that. As this was the area in which Madeleine McCann was last seen it would have been the most logical place to mount it. To mount a similar campaign in every European city would have been some what ill-targeted and cost a fortune. The fact that businesses and organizations arouund Europe were willing and able to do their bit (presumably with the McCanns blessing)meant that the fund could be used to mount a private investigation, which was in itself very costly but meant that for many months professional individuals were actively looking for their daughter. The fact that these turned out to be conmen and /or useless was really not something the McCanns could have foreseen, unless you,believe otherwise...?
It still stands that the only visible publicising of Madeleine’s image paid for by the fund was in an area that needed no reminding of what Madeleine look like. But you’re right why pay for billboards that could find your child when you can spend the money instead on expensive lawyers, expensive hotels and paying off your mortgage?
Oh and of course anything the doesn’t cost them money will have the parents wholehearted blessing.
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It still stands that the only visible publicising of Madeleine’s image paid for by the fund was in an area that needed no reminding of what Madeleine look like. But you’re right why pay for billboards that could find your child when you can spend the money instead on expensive lawyers, expensive hotels and paying off your mortgage?
Oh and of course anything the doesn’t cost them money will have the parents wholehearted blessing.
I didn’t say any of that though, so kindly don’t tell me I’m right about something I did not say.
In fact your post is too dripping in vitriol for any further serious discussion. Carry on hating!
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I didn’t say any of that though, so kindly don’t tell me I’m right about something I did not say.
In fact your post is too dripping in vitriol for any further serious discussion. Carry on hating!
I've considered is hating an appropriate word to use for some of the vitriol which is displayed by some towards Madeleine's parents?
I'm unsure of whether that is the correct word to use but whatever it is I find the vitriol quite disturbing.
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I've considered is hating an appropriate word to use for some of the vitriol which is displayed by some towards Madeleine's parents?
I'm unsure of whether that is the correct word to use but whatever it is I find the vitriol quite disturbing.
Simple solution, don't read it and certainly don't go looking for it.
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I've considered is hating an appropriate word to use for some of the vitriol which is displayed by some towards Madeleine's parents?
I'm unsure of whether that is the correct word to use but whatever it is I find the vitriol quite disturbing.
Vitriol is criticism which is full of 'bitterness and hate' so by using that word you are saying the same.I see something very similar being aimed at Amaral too. In both cases the defense offered is that they deserve it.
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Vitriol is criticism which is full of 'bitterness and hate' so by using that word you are saying the same.I see something very similar being aimed at Amaral too. In both cases the defense offered is that they deserve it.
Simplistic thinking.
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Vitriol is criticism which is full of 'bitterness and hate' so by using that word you are saying the same.I see something very similar being aimed at Amaral too. In both cases the defense offered is that they deserve it.
Some apparent in Kates book. She really doesn't like Sr Amaral, the fking tossers or Tweedledee or Tweedledum, she didn't like Mrs Fenn and... oh I just noticed something. all people who tried to find out what happened to their daughter. OK. penny dropped.
It just might not be a great idea to lamp people who offer genuine criticism as 'h8ters'. Afterall people who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones.
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So what should the McCanns do now to find the missing Madeleine?
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So what should the McCanns do now to find the missing Madeleine?
What? Are you being serious? There isn't anything they can do at the moment.
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So what should the McCanns do now to find the missing Madeleine?
Wait for the investigation to end.
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Wait for the investigation to end.
It is petering out slowly as it would be far too embarrassing to admit defeat after spending £12 million chasing shadows.
The McCanns have conveniently distanced themselves from any further searching in Portugal which was what the Maddie Fund was set up for. Let's hope we get some clarity from the Portuguese soon since anything which emanates from SY can be taken with a very large pinch of salt.
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What? Are you being serious? There isn't anything they can do at the moment.
Off course there are lots they could be doing but alas, careers come first. Someone else doing the searching is a common theme which runs through this case.
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Off course there are lots they could be doing but alas, careers come first. Someone else doing the searching is a common theme which runs through this case.
I really try not to gainsay you. But there are times when your Opinion is stated as Fact. Something for which ordinary Members are castigated.
Could you perhaps not do this?
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Off course there are lots they could be doing but alas, careers come first. Someone else doing the searching is a common theme which runs through this case.
I agree, it does seem they are getting on with their lives and new careers imo. Thankfully away from the constant spotlight which once was. When they were once hailed as 'celebrities'.
Not quite out of the limelight they do still need to enforce their stanceas 'innocent bystanders' as more and more people, I know of anyway, do not believe their version of account.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8294775/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-hope-twins-birthday/
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Off course there are lots they could be doing but alas, careers come first. Someone else doing the searching is a common theme which runs through this case.
As I understand I'm allowed to criticise the post but not the poster... Its complete and utter Bull...
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I agree, it does seem they are getting on with their lives and new careers imo. Thankfully away from the constant spotlight which once was. When they were once hailed as 'celebrities'.
Not quite out of the limelight they do still need to enforce their stanceas 'innocent bystanders' as more and more people, I know of anyway, do not believe their version of account.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8294775/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-hope-twins-birthday/
You seem to mix with some really weird people if the best they can do by way of conversation is to slander people they don't know.
I can't think of anyone who has become a "celebrity" as the result of some heinous crime being perpetrated against a member if their immediate family, who have desired it or who have any great say in it.
Witness the dismay of the parents of James Bulger whose lives we know about because of his murder; a status which they never sought ~ never enjoyed ~ but which anyone can feel free to abuse whenever they chose ...
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"It’s one thing making a film like this without contacting or getting permission from James’s family but another to have a child re-enact the final hours of James’s life before he was brutally murdered and making myself and my family have to relive this all over again!" Denise Fergus.
Why does your post criticise that people "are getting on with their lives"? What is it you suggest they should be otherwise doing?
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You seem to mix with some really weird people if the best they can do by way of conversation is to slander people they don't know.
I can't think of anyone who has become a "celebrity" as the result of some heinous crime being perpetrated against a member if their immediate family, who have desired it or who have any great say in it.
Witness the dismay of the parents of James Bulger whose lives we know about because of his murder; a status which they never sought ~ never enjoyed ~ but which anyone can feel free to abuse whenever they chose ...
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"It’s one thing making a film like this without contacting or getting permission from James’s family but another to have a child re-enact the final hours of James’s life before he was brutally murdered and making myself and my family have to relive this all over again!" Denise Fergus.
Why does your post criticise that people "are getting on with their lives"? What is it you suggest they should be otherwise doing?
"You seem to mix with some really weird people if the best they can do by way of conversation is to slander people they don't know."
That is a very bold statement- being allowed to stay because you are a mod no doubt.
I don't seem to mix with people who you prefer- who go out drinking leaving our children alone to be 'abducted' by paedophiles. KNowing what may be happening to her go out jogging,blogging setting up a company. selling my sex life or lack of it in a slag rag called the sun. I mix with a better educated class of people.
With regards to slander. I should be careful labelling one with that tag. Saying I do not believe in a story I am told by the people who told it is not slander. It is a belief. Slander would be if I said 'it was the parents what dun it'. and you are the self proclaimed messiah of wordsmith on this forum.. or is that just fake ... ^*&& 8)-)))
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"You seem to mix with some really weird people if the best they can do by way of conversation is to slander people they don't know."
That is a very bold statement- being allowed to stay because you are a mod no doubt.
I don't seem to mix with people who you prefer- who go out drinking leaving our children alone to be 'abducted' by paedophiles. KNowing what may be happening to her go out jogging,blogging setting up a company. selling my sex life or lack of it in a slag rag called the sun. I mix with a better educated class of people.
With regards to slander. I should be careful labelling one with that tag. Saying I do not believe in a story I am told by the people who told it is not slander. It is a belief. Slander would be if I said 'it was the parents what dun it'. and you are the self proclaimed messiah of wordsmith on this forum.. or is that just fake ... ^*&& 8)-)))
I don't know what the McCann family would have been doing with their lives if they still had their eldest child sharing it. I imagine it all would have been very different for all concerned.
As I see it there is little chance that "What Katy Did Next" applies to them at the moment. It is all out of their hands. The police are investigating Madeleine's case as they should be.
The only change possible lies with those who have the power to decide whether or not they press the post button on their computers to add to the rest of the mainly anonymous vitriol posted on line ... I don't see that happening, though, I think for some strange reason they derive too much from it to let it go.
The McCann family have to live with the pain of it all ... no-one else does.
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It defies belief in my opinion that the McCanns aren't involved in any initiative aimed at finding their missing child and please, don't reply with the "Scotland Yard are searching for her bullshit'.
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It defies belief in my opinion that the McCanns aren't involved in any initiative aimed at finding their missing child and please, don't reply with the "Scotland Yard are searching for her bullshit'.
How rude.
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It defies belief in my opinion that the McCanns aren't involved in any initiative aimed at finding their missing child and please, don't reply with the "Scotland Yard are searching for her bullshit'.
I think belief in this case is overrated given its peculiarities.